POLL: Does the left want to end capitalism?

[bripat9643]

It's my opinion that the left wing is not an opponent of capitalism. What do you think?

I'm left wing and love capitalism What I don't like is the Nazi racist we have in our WH now and all those supporting him and putting up with his BS ,,This includes his protectors in congress

Show us one thing you've posted that demonstrates your love for capitalism.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

C.) I do believe that British people including ones in the U.S.A are too stupid to be taken seriously, they have totally misused politics, they don't understand politics, they are Europe's biggest mistake.

Without America, you would still be under Soviet rule.

Show some gratitude.

Soviets had strict border control, despite their economic stagnation.

Our people are on the brink, because of Capitalism, not Communism.

Who are "your people?"

Greeks?

Eastern Europe is more prosperous now than in any other time in history. With wealth more evenly distributed.

Your desire for a King to rule you because you cannot rule yourself does not alter reality.

We are on the brink because of mass-immigration promoted by the Capitalists.

 

[bripat9643]

Can you provide an example of socialism that existed without government force?

Farmers co-op ... It's still voluntary (or self governed at the most)...

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I wouldn't call that socialism. What makes it socialist?

 

[Thinker101]

Can you provide an example of capitalism that existed without government force?

What guarantees private property relations if not government force?

There is no such thing as property rights without the ability of them to be governed by society ...
It's not that you don't think property rights should be governed ... You just don't like who is governing them.

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It's that I don't believe in private property generally.

Yup, a lot of people that have nothing usually justify it by not believing in it...dumbass.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Socialism is not a form of government. Educate yourself.

It most certainly is a form of government. Socialism is government force imposed on the economic sphere.

That is not my understanding of socialism. Socialism is fundamentally a way of producing commodities sans private property rights. We can improve upon nature without laying claim to the earths natural bounty.

Government exists to protect private property relations.

Can you provide an example of socialism that existed without government force?

Can you provide an example of capitalism that existed without government force?

What guarantees private property relations if not government force?

Government has to run the courts, that's all the need to do

Augustus Ceasar didnt even have a police department when he became Emperor

Government must run prisons and armies as well.

 

[Nova78]

 

[danielpalos]

Socialism is not a form of government. Educate yourself.

It most certainly is a form of government. Socialism is government force imposed on the economic sphere.

That is not my understanding of socialism. Socialism is fundamentally a way of producing commodities sans private property rights. We can improve upon nature without laying claim to the earths natural bounty.

Government exists to protect private property relations.

Can you provide an example of socialism that existed without government force?

Can you provide an example of capitalism that existed without government force?

What guarantees private property relations if not government force?

Government has to run the courts, that's all the need to do

Augustus Ceasar didnt even have a police department when he became Emperor

We have a Constitution that defines our Government.

 

[bripat9643]

You made the statement, clarify or don't.

You didn't clarify the statement I was responding to any more than I clarified mine ...

On the other hand ... You specifically told the other poster to "go educate themselves".
So either show us your education or shut the fuck up.

I am not going to try and prove your negative assertion.
I mean really ... "what elements of socialism that don't involve government cannot be accomplished under capitalism?"

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My statement didn't need clarification. Socialism is a socioeconomic relationship. It is not a form of government.

Yes, that's correct. Governments, can be from Democrat socialists (mob rule) to Communists (party rule). Socialist governments are all authoritarian though because the government centrally plans the economy and the government uses guns to enforce that policy

It is not required that a centralized government plan the economy of a community. The centralized government rises out of the need to protect all of the communities from the capitalist invaders.

How does the community decide what kind of cars to build?

 

[danielpalos]

Can you provide an example of socialism that existed without government force?

Farmers co-op ... It's still voluntary (or self governed at the most)...

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I wouldn't call that socialism. What makes it socialist?

right wingers whining about taxes.

 

[edward37]

It's my opinion that the left wing is not an opponent of capitalism. What do you think?

I'm left wing and love capitalism What I don't like is the Nazi racist we have in our WH now and all those supporting him and putting up with his BS ,,This includes his protectors in congress

Show us one thing you've posted that demonstrates your love for capitalism.

Here's one bri ,,believe it or not
YTD Change
+$844,121.43

 

[Uncensored2008]

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We are on the brink because of mass-immigration promoted by the Capitalists.

Now your just fucking lying.

The importation of Muslims happened under the LEFTIST Socialists in Europe.

 

[danielpalos]

You made the statement, clarify or don't.

You didn't clarify the statement I was responding to any more than I clarified mine ...

On the other hand ... You specifically told the other poster to "go educate themselves".
So either show us your education or shut the fuck up.

I am not going to try and prove your negative assertion.
I mean really ... "what elements of socialism that don't involve government cannot be accomplished under capitalism?"

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My statement didn't need clarification. Socialism is a socioeconomic relationship. It is not a form of government.

Yes, that's correct. Governments, can be from Democrat socialists (mob rule) to Communists (party rule). Socialist governments are all authoritarian though because the government centrally plans the economy and the government uses guns to enforce that policy

It is not required that a centralized government plan the economy of a community. The centralized government rises out of the need to protect all of the communities from the capitalist invaders.

How does the community decide what kind of cars to build?

depends on your definition of community.

auto enthusiasts are a community.

 

[Uncensored2008]

It most certainly is a form of government. Socialism is government force imposed on the economic sphere.

That is not my understanding of socialism. Socialism is fundamentally a way of producing commodities sans private property rights. We can improve upon nature without laying claim to the earths natural bounty.

Government exists to protect private property relations.

Can you provide an example of socialism that existed without government force?

Can you provide an example of capitalism that existed without government force?

What guarantees private property relations if not government force?

Government has to run the courts, that's all the need to do

Augustus Ceasar didnt even have a police department when he became Emperor

We have a Constitution that defines our Government.

You should read it sometime, stoner.

 

[bripat9643]

It's my opinion that the left wing is not an opponent of capitalism. What do you think?

I think it is irrelevant.
We don't have capitalism in America anymore, if we ever did.
We might have, post WW I till the late 70's. But certainly not before that, and certainly not after.
People consistently confuse capitalism with a free market. We do not have free markets. Not even close.
Today we have corporatism. And corporatism is not capitalism, the same as rape is not sex.

You are confusing capitalism with free markets when you claim capitalism is dependent on them. This is actually at the root of the misunderstanding about what socialism is fundamentally.

Capitalism and free markets are virtually identical.

 

[bripat9643]

To function efficiently, Capitalism needs government oversight to maintain a level playing field

Wrong.

 

[danielpalos]

That is not my understanding of socialism. Socialism is fundamentally a way of producing commodities sans private property rights. We can improve upon nature without laying claim to the earths natural bounty.

Government exists to protect private property relations.

Can you provide an example of socialism that existed without government force?

Can you provide an example of capitalism that existed without government force?

What guarantees private property relations if not government force?

Government has to run the courts, that's all the need to do

Augustus Ceasar didnt even have a police department when he became Emperor

We have a Constitution that defines our Government.

You should read it sometime, stoner.

I have; I am a federalist Because I subscribe to the federal doctrine.

 

[bripat9643]

So what is your impression of the responses so far?

I'm very surprised. The left wing is more ignorant than I realized.

Tax Cut Economics is pure ignorance that benefits those with the most capital, the most.

I think in general the right wing is more ignorant than the left. This thread has shifted my perspective somewhat, though. It's closer than I thought.

What is the left correct about?

Completely unchecked capitalism does not work for ordinary people. It eats itself and becomes destructive to the comfort of everyday people.

Wrong. Unchecked capitalism produced the greatest increase in the standard of living for the common man ever seen.

 

[tycho1572]

The leftist are against anything that requires them to work. This guy is a perfect example....

 

[bripat9643]

I'm very surprised. The left wing is more ignorant than I realized.

Tax Cut Economics is pure ignorance that benefits those with the most capital, the most.

I think in general the right wing is more ignorant than the left. This thread has shifted my perspective somewhat, though. It's closer than I thought.

What is the left correct about?

Completely unchecked capitalism does not work for ordinary people. It eats itself and becomes destructive to the comfort of everyday people.

Yep. The screamingly obvious point of equilibrium here is effective and efficient regulation. But the libertarians controlling the GOP and the left wingers controlling the Dems have other ideas.
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The term "effective and efficient regulation" is an oxymoron.

 

[edward37]

To function efficiently, Capitalism needs government oversight to maintain a level playing field

Wrong.

So it's ok for scum to inside trade?