[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

[bripat9643]

Everyday the self inflicted reputation of your ignorance grows. You are legendary.

^^^^^^^^^^^

Ironic post is ironic.

PMS is a wonder of complete stupidity, isn't he?

 

[PMZ]

Often what is "generally acknowledge" turns out to be nothing but bullshit propaganda. How many employees did Henry Ford have, say 100,000? He sold 20 million model 'T's. The surest way to go broke is to expect your employees to purchase all your output.



How is that relevant to your bullshit claim?

Everyday the self inflicted reputation of your ignorance grows. You are legendary.

What "ignorance?" Do you imagine that 100,000 employees purchased 20 million model 'T's? The story about Henry Ford paying his employees $5/hr so they could buy his product is obvious bullshit, as is everything else you believe about the history of this country. It's communist propaganda.

Every day you reveal another major hole in your body of knowledge by insisting that what you want to be true, MUST be.

This is pernicious ignorance. Dunning-Kruger. Stable ignorance that is self maintaining.

The essential raw material for conservatism.

 

[PrometheusBound]

?

The concept of the assembly line was well established in the meat packing industry before Henry started tinkering.

I think that the concept that organizations are the same as individuals is ridiculous. SCOTUS says that it's a Constitutional guarantee, so it must be, but that doesn't make it any less ridiculous.

The reason the 1% gave SCROTUS the power of the pre-Reformation Vatican was that then they'd have to pre-own only 9 people. The fact that an open tool like Chief Just-Us Roberts ratified ACA indicates that businesses hope that the government will provide free health care without a mandate for health insurance. That will relieve the Capitaliban from having to provide that benefit to their employees.

 

[Uncensored2008]

PMS is a wonder of complete stupidity, isn't he?

He's just a troll.

At times, I think he's here to discredit leftists....

 

[bripat9643]

Everyday the self inflicted reputation of your ignorance grows. You are legendary.

What "ignorance?" Do you imagine that 100,000 employees purchased 20 million model 'T's? The story about Henry Ford paying his employees $5/hr so they could buy his product is obvious bullshit, as is everything else you believe about the history of this country. It's communist propaganda.

Every day you reveal another major hole in your body of knowledge by insisting that what you want to be true, MUST be.

This is pernicious ignorance. Dunning-Kruger. Stable ignorance that is self maintaining.

The essential raw material for conservatism.

What "hole" is that, PMS? Are you claiming my math is wrong? Are you claiming each worker purchased 200 Model 'T's? You keep claiming my facts are wrong, but you never provide the slightest bit of evidence to support your claims. I realize it smarts to have your most cherished notions explode before your very eyes, but facts are facts.

 

[RKMBrown]

All cheaters say "Life is not fair." So we should turn it back on them. STEM graduates should wholly embezzle their own corporate patents, not even giving back what they think
should be a fair return to the investor.

Anyone who uses that slogan deserves to have it thrown back at him, open season on the bullying bosses. Sell privileged information to the competition, whatever, make sure you are unfairly overpaid if they want to justify underpaying you with the chant, "Who says life is fair? Grow up and face reality." But the reality of retaliation is the last thing the exploiters ever want to face.

Straw-man fail: Your statement that all cheaters say "Life is not fair" is a lie. Life isn't fair, that's a fact. Retaliation is irrelevant to the fact that life is not fair. Your criminal acts are not excused by your incorrect assumption that life should fair and thus results should be equalized by punishing effort.

"Your criminal acts"

Can't wait to see the evidence.

I just love it when a morally degenerate looser, like yourself, resorts to using government to take money from the so called rich to line your own pocket, then sits greedily by, like the troll you are, collecting the stolen money while claiming it's all legal cause the government did it not you. Oh no, your not guilty of theft, it's all legal. Burn in hell thief. You did not earn it, it was not given voluntarily, it's theft.

 

[PMZ]

What "ignorance?" Do you imagine that 100,000 employees purchased 20 million model 'T's? The story about Henry Ford paying his employees $5/hr so they could buy his product is obvious bullshit, as is everything else you believe about the history of this country. It's communist propaganda.

Every day you reveal another major hole in your body of knowledge by insisting that what you want to be true, MUST be.

This is pernicious ignorance. Dunning-Kruger. Stable ignorance that is self maintaining.

The essential raw material for conservatism.

What "hole" is that, PMS? Are you claiming my math is wrong? Are you claiming each worker purchased 200 Model 'T's? You keep claiming my facts are wrong, but you never provide the slightest bit of evidence to support your claims. I realize it smarts to have your most cherished notions explode before your very eyes, but facts are facts.

How many years, numbnuts, was the Model T sold? What happened to the old ones when new ones replaced them? What was the impact of the Ford payroll on the rest of the economy? How many employees benefited over the years?

One thing is clear. If you were Henry, Ford would be an unknown name today.

 

[RKMBrown]

What "ignorance?" Do you imagine that 100,000 employees purchased 20 million model 'T's? The story about Henry Ford paying his employees $5/hr so they could buy his product is obvious bullshit, as is everything else you believe about the history of this country. It's communist propaganda.

Every day you reveal another major hole in your body of knowledge by insisting that what you want to be true, MUST be.

This is pernicious ignorance. Dunning-Kruger. Stable ignorance that is self maintaining.

The essential raw material for conservatism.

What "hole" is that, PMS? Are you claiming my math is wrong? Are you claiming each worker purchased 200 Model 'T's? You keep claiming my facts are wrong, but you never provide the slightest bit of evidence to support your claims. I realize it smarts to have your most cherished notions explode before your very eyes, but facts are facts.

Gotta admit it must suck to work on an assembly line building a car that you can't afford to buy. But that would be better than no job, and there's no reason a manufacture of expensive luxury cars has to pay more for his workers than would say a manufacturer of mid priced sedans. Though there may be a reason to pay someone with more skill, if say more skill were required for a particular task on either car.

My reading of Ford's intention was to build a car that every family could afford to have if they had even a mid level of income, and to do that while also paying sufficient wages to his employees to say that his employees had a mid level of income.

 

[PMZ]

Straw-man fail: Your statement that all cheaters say "Life is not fair" is a lie. Life isn't fair, that's a fact. Retaliation is irrelevant to the fact that life is not fair. Your criminal acts are not excused by your incorrect assumption that life should fair and thus results should be equalized by punishing effort.

"Your criminal acts"

Can't wait to see the evidence.

I just love it when a morally degenerate looser, like yourself, resorts to using government to take money from the so called rich to line your own pocket, then sits greedily by, like the troll you are, collecting the stolen money while claiming it's all legal cause the government did it not you. Oh no, your not guilty of theft, it's all legal. Burn in hell thief. You did not earn it, it was not given voluntarily, it's theft.

This is criminal court quality evidence???????

Not even good enough for a Texas lynch mob.

 

[PMZ]

Every day you reveal another major hole in your body of knowledge by insisting that what you want to be true, MUST be.

This is pernicious ignorance. Dunning-Kruger. Stable ignorance that is self maintaining.

The essential raw material for conservatism.

What "hole" is that, PMS? Are you claiming my math is wrong? Are you claiming each worker purchased 200 Model 'T's? You keep claiming my facts are wrong, but you never provide the slightest bit of evidence to support your claims. I realize it smarts to have your most cherished notions explode before your very eyes, but facts are facts.

Gotta admit it must suck to work on an assembly line building a car that you can't afford to buy. But that would be better than no job, and there's no reason a manufacture of expensive luxury cars has to pay more for his workers than would say a manufacturer of mid priced sedans. Though there may be a reason to pay someone with more skill, if say more skill were required for a particular task on either car.

My reading of Ford's intention was to build a car that every family could afford to have if they had even a mid level of income, and to do that while also paying sufficient wages to his employees to say that his employees had a mid level of income.

He had a major battle with his board over this because they were of the mind that workers should be paid as little as possible so that they, as major shareholders, could be paid as much as possible. Henry was a small town hick but nothing if not stubborn, so he prevailed.

Of course that same stubbornness also cost him his relationship with his only child.

 

[Bern80]

There is your answer then. Life is not fair. Stop expecting it to be.

Again accepting that life isn't fair is not the same as having to tolerate it. It's not fair for you to insist that I am obligated to provide you enough to live, yet obviously that belief exists. That doesn't mean just because you think that way that you are actually entitled to it or that I am required to provide it to you, fair or not.

You are required to be a responsible citizen. You may not like it, but we've established minimum standards for the privilege of living here. But you are a free citizen of the world. Shop around. Compare. Research.

Again PMS, you can't have it both ways. You can't claim I'm required to be a responsible citizen and am not obligated to provide for myself.

 

[Katzndogz]

According to the obama daddy, fair is 100%.

Confiscatory Tax Rate Dreams from my Father | National Review Online

The article, called “Problems Facing Our Socialism,” makes the economic case that high taxes are morally and practically good, if the government then uses them to provide for the people. How high should the tax rates be? ”Theoretically,” he wrote, “there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed.” Yes, you read it: a 100% tax rate is fine. Obama Sr. continued, ” It is a fallacy to say there is a limit (to tax rates), and it is a fallacy to rely mainly on individual free enterprise to get the savings.” Free enterprise — bad. (He was discussing future government economic development.)

 

[Uncensored2008]

This is criminal court quality evidence???????

Not even good enough for a Texas lynch mob.

Son, we told you to only take ONE retard pill in the morning; and here you've gone and taken the whole bottle.....

 

[RKMBrown]

"Your criminal acts"

Can't wait to see the evidence.

I just love it when a morally degenerate looser, like yourself, resorts to using government to take money from the so called rich to line your own pocket, then sits greedily by, like the troll you are, collecting the stolen money while claiming it's all legal cause the government did it not you. Oh no, your not guilty of theft, it's all legal. Burn in hell thief. You did not earn it, it was not given voluntarily, it's theft.

This is criminal court quality evidence???????

Not even good enough for a Texas lynch mob.

People like you would not survive long here in Texas, most of us don't take kindly to robin-hood wannabes. Take your schtick to a Democrat state, your lies won't sell here.

 

[PMZ]

I just love it when a morally degenerate looser, like yourself, resorts to using government to take money from the so called rich to line your own pocket, then sits greedily by, like the troll you are, collecting the stolen money while claiming it's all legal cause the government did it not you. Oh no, your not guilty of theft, it's all legal. Burn in hell thief. You did not earn it, it was not given voluntarily, it's theft.

This is criminal court quality evidence???????

Not even good enough for a Texas lynch mob.

People like you would not survive long here in Texas, most of us don't take kindly to robin-hood wannabes. Take your schtick to a Democrat state, your lies won't sell here.

The only thing that would get me to leave my favorite country would be if my only choice was to live in Texas.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The only thing that would get me to leave my favorite country would be if my only choice was to live in Texas.

By all means, remain in North Korea.....

 

[RKMBrown]

What "hole" is that, PMS? Are you claiming my math is wrong? Are you claiming each worker purchased 200 Model 'T's? You keep claiming my facts are wrong, but you never provide the slightest bit of evidence to support your claims. I realize it smarts to have your most cherished notions explode before your very eyes, but facts are facts.

Gotta admit it must suck to work on an assembly line building a car that you can't afford to buy. But that would be better than no job, and there's no reason a manufacture of expensive luxury cars has to pay more for his workers than would say a manufacturer of mid priced sedans. Though there may be a reason to pay someone with more skill, if say more skill were required for a particular task on either car.

My reading of Ford's intention was to build a car that every family could afford to have if they had even a mid level of income, and to do that while also paying sufficient wages to his employees to say that his employees had a mid level of income.

He had a major battle with his board over this because they were of the mind that workers should be paid as little as possible so that they, as major shareholders, could be paid as much as possible. Henry was a small town hick but nothing if not stubborn, so he prevailed.

Of course that same stubbornness also cost him his relationship with his only child.

And it caused him to loose the only election he ever ran for. And it caused him to loose Cadillac motors. And it formed Dodge as other competition.

Ford is not the only CEO/President that has given his workers pay raises and bonuses to the chagrin of the owners. Your worship of this one pay raise in history is a bit odd. You appear to believe all other employees of all other companies have been somehow wronged to the point of everyone deserving bonus checks and a raise, mandated by government. While that sort of talk might win votes, it's not government's place to mandate employers match the pay that Ford freely offered.

Further, mandated salaries, like minimum wages, actually end up setting the low bar and encouraging corporations to pay their employes the minimum bar, which is the opposite of what Ford did. So you are actually encouraging government to discourage the Fords of this country who wish to differentiate themselves by hiring better workers for more pay.

If government (and/or) unions set the low bar for pay regardless of "effort." What's the point of effort? Why would someone want to distinguish himself over others when everyone gets the same pay?

Your model leads to the bulk of workers not caring, just punching the clock and taking their mandated pay.

 

[PMZ]

According to the obama daddy, fair is 100%.

Confiscatory Tax Rate Dreams from my Father | National Review Online

The article, called “Problems Facing Our Socialism,” makes the economic case that high taxes are morally and practically good, if the government then uses them to provide for the people. How high should the tax rates be? ”Theoretically,” he wrote, “there is nothing that can stop the government from taxing 100% of income so long as the people get benefits from the government commensurate with their income which is taxed.” Yes, you read it: a 100% tax rate is fine. Obama Sr. continued, ” It is a fallacy to say there is a limit (to tax rates), and it is a fallacy to rely mainly on individual free enterprise to get the savings.” Free enterprise — bad. (He was discussing future government economic development.)

100% pure propaganda more deceivingly written than the best of Fox. If there was a Pulitzer for bullshit this article would be a leading candidate.

Anybody looking for a lesson in propaganda, and what conservative isn't, should read it.

 

[RKMBrown]

This is criminal court quality evidence???????

Not even good enough for a Texas lynch mob.

People like you would not survive long here in Texas, most of us don't take kindly to robin-hood wannabes. Take your schtick to a Democrat state, your lies won't sell here.

The only thing that would get me to leave my favorite country would be if my only choice was to live in Texas.

Well then that explains a ton about you, doesn't it?

 

[PMZ]

Again accepting that life isn't fair is not the same as having to tolerate it. It's not fair for you to insist that I am obligated to provide you enough to live, yet obviously that belief exists. That doesn't mean just because you think that way that you are actually entitled to it or that I am required to provide it to you, fair or not.

You are required to be a responsible citizen. You may not like it, but we've established minimum standards for the privilege of living here. But you are a free citizen of the world. Shop around. Compare. Research.

Again PMS, you can't have it both ways. You can't claim I'm required to be a responsible citizen and am not obligated to provide for myself.

I wouldn't never "claim I'm required to be a responsible citizen and am not obligated to provide for myself"

Because I believe whole heartedly in personal responsibility.

I also recognize that there are an infinite number of reasons for success and failure in accomplishing that obligation.

And I believe that those of us who have been fortunate, can and should feel an obligation to spread good fortune, just as insurance spreads risk.

I have no trouble at all living in a country that sets minimum standards for that as I believe that all of us who call America home, benefit.