[POLL] - Liberals, how much is a "fair share?" - Taxes

[PMZ]

Wow. Someone sure brainwashed you into the perfect little leftist government drone, didn't they?

No. Fox Opinions brain washed you onto a well trained American Taliban extremist.

Did I wave a Snausage over your nose, Fido? Go back to your kennel and lick your balls until I call you.

Typical conservative arrogance. You'd think that your cult would have had some accomplishment for such outsized self importance.

 

[bripat9643]

Here's a not surprising bit of ignorance.

You mean here's someone who isn't fooled by libturd propaganda. The theory that some government spending is "discretionary" while other spending is "mandatory" is total bullshit. It's even dumber to believe that defense spending is in the former category rather than the later. It's just a way for libturds to cow the voters into believing that certain sacred cows can't be touched. The fact is that Congress changes what we spend on Social Security and Medicare all the time. Obama just took a $700 billion whack out of Medicare when the ACA act passed. Congress can cut Social Security and Medicare anytime it wants to. It's purely up to their "discretion."

Actually discretionary means approved each year by an appropriations bill and mandatory means required by existing law.

Not surprised that you didn't know that.

All spending is required by existing law. Any law Congress makes it can unmake at the stroke of a pen. There is no such thing as "mandatory spending." It's all discretionary.

 

[PMZ]

They haven't forgotten how. It's just that government keeps cutting them off at the knees. No matter how many times you try to pin the blame on it, the fact is that business isn't responsible for this crummy economy. Obama is.

When did the Great Recession start?

It didn't become "The Great Recession" until Obama's economic policies kicked in.

2008. Well before he was even in office.

 

[PMZ]

What am I responsible for?

Nothing that I can detect.

Then what are you always whining about?

I hate irresponsible people.

 

[PMZ]

What you wish was true. None of it is though. Your brain has been washed clean of your eighth grade education.

Are you going to claim FOX news has brainwashed me?

One thing we've learned since your tenure here began: truth is the exact opposite of whatever you post.

Oh, we've learned something else from him:

"Fox! FOX! FOOOOoooooxxxxx!!!"

The most destructive internal force that we've ever had to deal with. Much more so than Communism.

 

[PMZ]

You mean here's someone who isn't fooled by libturd propaganda. The theory that some government spending is "discretionary" while other spending is "mandatory" is total bullshit. It's even dumber to believe that defense spending is in the former category rather than the later. It's just a way for libturds to cow the voters into believing that certain sacred cows can't be touched. The fact is that Congress changes what we spend on Social Security and Medicare all the time. Obama just took a $700 billion whack out of Medicare when the ACA act passed. Congress can cut Social Security and Medicare anytime it wants to. It's purely up to their "discretion."

Actually discretionary means approved each year by an appropriations bill and mandatory means required by existing law.

Not surprised that you didn't know that.

All spending is required by existing law. Any law Congress makes it can unmake at the stroke of a pen. There is no such thing as "mandatory spending." It's all discretionary.

You are massively ignorant about basic government.

 

[bripat9643]

Nothing that I can detect.

Then what are you always whining about?

I hate irresponsible people.

You said I have no responsibilities, not that I'm ignoring the ones I have.

Again, what are my responsibilities?

 

[bripat9643]

Actually discretionary means approved each year by an appropriations bill and mandatory means required by existing law.

Not surprised that you didn't know that.

All spending is required by existing law. Any law Congress makes it can unmake at the stroke of a pen. There is no such thing as "mandatory spending." It's all discretionary.

You are massively ignorant about basic government.

I simply ignore bullshit.

What have I said that isn't 100% accurate?

 

[bripat9643]

When did the Great Recession start?

It didn't become "The Great Recession" until Obama's economic policies kicked in.

2008. Well before he was even in office.

You obviously missed the part where I didn't claim Obama caused the recession. He turned a short recession into a depression.

 

[PMZ]

Then what are you always whining about?

I hate irresponsible people.

You said I have no responsibilities, not that I'm ignoring the ones I have.

Again, what are my responsibilities?

Your minimum responsibilities are to comply with all our laws.

I have no idea what your other responsibilities are.

 

[PMZ]

It didn't become "The Great Recession" until Obama's economic policies kicked in.

2008. Well before he was even in office.

You obviously missed the part where I didn't claim Obama caused the recession. He turned a short recession into a depression.

The evidence of this is????

What does "Great" Recession mean to you?

 

[bripat9643]

I hate irresponsible people.

You said I have no responsibilities, not that I'm ignoring the ones I have.

Again, what are my responsibilities?

Your minimum responsibilities are to comply with all our laws.

I have no idea what your other responsibilities are.

Complying with the law isn't a responsibility any more than not drinking poison is a responsibility.

You keep accusing me of being irresponsible, yet you don't know what my responsibilities are.

 

[bripat9643]

2008. Well before he was even in office.

You obviously missed the part where I didn't claim Obama caused the recession. He turned a short recession into a depression.

The evidence of this is????

What does "Great" Recession mean to you?

The evidence is 5 years of high unemployment and anemic economic growth. Plus, there's the fact that we know every thing Obama is trying to do kills economic growth.

 

[PMZ]

You said I have no responsibilities, not that I'm ignoring the ones I have.

Again, what are my responsibilities?

Your minimum responsibilities are to comply with all our laws.

I have no idea what your other responsibilities are.

Complying with the law isn't a responsibility any more than not drinking poison is a responsibility.

You keep accusing me of being irresponsible, yet you don't know what my responsibilities are.

" Complying with the law isn't a responsibility"

Bizarre response.

 

[PMZ]

You obviously missed the part where I didn't claim Obama caused the recession. He turned a short recession into a depression.

The evidence of this is????

What does "Great" Recession mean to you?

The evidence is 5 years of high unemployment and anemic economic growth. Plus, there's the fact that we know every thing Obama is trying to do kills economic growth.

Growth is the business of business, not government. The fact that Obama was willing to invest as we have in recovery from Bush's Great Recession is more support than business earned. They choose not to do their job. It's up to consumers to not support businesses and leaders that are not capable of growth. Hold them accountable. Teach the some personal responsibility.

 

[bripat9643]

Your minimum responsibilities are to comply with all our laws.

I have no idea what your other responsibilities are.

Complying with the law isn't a responsibility any more than not drinking poison is a responsibility.

You keep accusing me of being irresponsible, yet you don't know what my responsibilities are.

" Complying with the law isn't a responsibility"

Bizarre response.

Are you accusing me of breaking the law? If not, then what am I responsible for that I'm not doing? You accused me of being irresponsible. Now list the terms of your indictment. What are you afraid of?

 

[uhkilleez]

You support a thieving tax upon the bread a working person earns by the sweat of their labor and also would deprive the working person their inalienable right to negotiate the value of their own labor?

JWK


They are not “liberals”. They are conniving Marxist parasites who use the cloak of government force to steal the wealth which wage earners, business and investors have worked to create

Any sort of government tax would be considered just as much theft of the hard earned income of labor. I am simply in favor of a flat 10% tax of income in order to pay for military and law enforcement expenses, and the day to day business of legislating. I am not exactly sure where you got that I am against unionizing the workplace, or against any other form of worker's organization, however you were mislead. When I say limited government, that includes removal of their ability to use coercion to meddle with the affairs of the private sector. It should be the responsibility of employees and employers to keep wages fair and working conditions safe, not the responsibility of a legislator whom has little knowledge at best of their day to day operations or profits for that matter.

 

[uhkilleez]

We need business to perform in a way that competes with the rest of the world. They have forgotten how.

Perhaps business would be more keen on worldwide performance if they were not so busy trying to find tax cuts and loopholes in order to save more of their own profits? I have to say, I'm not sure why all of our manufacturing base is leaving the states when we have such a high tax rate and high wages, it's not like there are other countries out there with cheap labor and cheap taxes with no tariff response from the U.S....

 

[Gadawg73]

So easy to be a liberal when you are plundering and spending the money earned by other people.
But hey, socialism is great up until you run out of money.
And we ran out long ago.

First of all I dare say that I have, at least, contributed and earned as much as you have.

Second, the biggest evidence of our financial situation comes in the form of debt. The debt comes from our experiment with conservative policies.

Yes, the current squabble over finances at the Federal level was because conservatives wanted to take on more debt and liberals did not.
Only a dumb ass would claim that.

 

[johnwk]

You support a thieving tax upon the bread a working person earns by the sweat of their labor and also would deprive the working person their inalienable right to negotiate the value of their own labor?

JWK


They are not “liberals”. They are conniving Marxist parasites who use the cloak of government force to steal the wealth which wage earners, business and investors have worked to create

Any sort of government tax would be considered just as much theft of the hard earned income of labor. I am simply in favor of a flat 10% tax of income in order to pay for military and law enforcement expenses, and the day to day business of legislating..

And being in favor of a direct tax upon the working person’s earned wage indicates you disagree with our founders beliefs and support an evil power being placed in the hands of Congress.

I take it you do not understand the distinction between direct and indirect taxation, and the evil nature of direct taxation. As to the evils of an unrestrained power to impose direct taxes, our founders were fully cognizant of their destructive nature which is noted by Representative Williams during a debate on Direct Taxes January 18th, 1797:

"History, Mr. Williams said, informed them of the annihilation of nations by means of direct taxation. He referred gentlemen to the situation of the Roman Empire in its innocence, and asked them whether they had any direct taxes? No. Indirect taxes and taxes upon luxuries and spices from the Indies were their sources of revenue; but, as soon as they changed their system to direct taxation, it operated to their ruin; their children were sold as slaves, and the Empire fell from its splendor. Shall we then follow this system? He trusted not."

Perhaps someday you will take the time to study our Constitution’s original tax plan, and the vital protections built into that plan, especially the rule requiring direct taxes to be apportioned.


JWK



“…..with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities“. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address