Poll: "Ship of Fools" - Is Tucker Carlson right?

[keepitreal]

1. Tucker nailed Trump's 2016 win:
"Trump might be vulgar and ignorant, but he wasn't responsible for the many disasters America's leaders created. He didn't open the borders, or sit idly by as manufacturing sector collapsed and the middle class died.
Trump's election wasn't about Trump. It was a throbbing middle finger in the face of America's ruling class (the Establishment of BOTH parties). It was a gesture of contempt, a howl, a rage, the end result of of decades of selfish decisions made by selfish leaders of both parties.
In retrospect, the lesson was "Ignore voters for long enough and you get Donald Trump". Yet the people the message was aimed at never received it. Instead of pausing, listening, thinking, and changing, America's ruling class withdrew. They explained away their loss with theories as implausible as:
1. Trump lost the popular vote, so he's really illigitamate
2. Trump won because of fake news and propaganda on FXN
3. Trump won because of Russian meddling
4. Trump won because he's a racist, and that's what white voters really want"

Either, the establishment on both sides
are still totally clueless, or...

They want to crush future rebellions

 

[Lesh]

QUOTE="TNHarley, post: 21947374, member: 39965"]

Trump is a disaster and a great lesson to all who observe. The lesson being that politics is a profession best left to the professionals. The sooner this fucking idiot is removed from office either by ballot, impeachment or term limits, the better off this nation and the world will be.

I’m more apt to agree with your first point. Trump and his supporters are only about sticking it to people. Nothing else.

You would be hard pressed to get me to believe the way we have been doing things is better than this dipshit we have now.
You fuckers just let the corrupt establishment ass fuck you with massive dildos. And you like it.
Blows my fucking mind.

Really?

What did i say?

Not sure. You seem to believe that If we had had Trump in office instead of Lincoln, Roosevelt, FDR, Reagan, Clinton et. al. We ‘d somehow be better off. I’d ask you to demonstrate your reasoning but I’m sure you won’t in place of more profane snark.

Perhaps you will surprise me and tell us how the blob would have been better than those men.

Lincoln was a tyrant. How the fuck does your disingenuous ass blast trump for the constitution and throw out lincoln who shit on our constitution more than all other presidents combined? You are a dumbass
The people you listed were more "presidential" but that doesnt mean we would have been better off. And there is no possible way to compare it. Different times. Of course, you obviously bath in fallacy.
Our professional politicians, as you like to call them threw the middle east in chaos. Helped throw south america in chaos. Helped build up the mexican cartels with their fascist policies. Armed our enemies. Literally put drugs in our streets. Let our children starve while we raise our debt to line dictators pockets.
Try to THINK.

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Lincoln was a tyrant?

Oooookay folks

Lalaland is here

 

[bendog]

1. Tucker nailed Trump's 2016 win:
"Trump might be vulgar and ignorant, but he wasn't responsible for the many disasters America's leaders created. He didn't open the borders, or sit idly by as manufacturing sector collapsed and the middle class died.
Trump's election wasn't about Trump. It was a throbbing middle finger in the face of America's ruling class (the Establishment of BOTH parties). It was a gesture of contempt, a howl, a rage, the end result of of decades of selfish decisions made by selfish leaders of both parties.
In retrospect, the lesson was "Ignore voters for long enough and you get Donald Trump". Yet the people the message was aimed at never received it. Instead of pausing, listening, thinking, and changing, America's ruling class withdrew. They explained away their loss with theories as implausible as:
1. Trump lost the popular vote, so he's really illigitamate
2. Trump won because of fake news and propaganda on FXN
3. Trump won because of Russian meddling
4. Trump won because he's a racist, and that's what white voters really want"

Either, the establishment on both sides
are still totally clueless, or...

They want to crush future rebellions

Oh I think the gop establishment got exactly what they wanted in Trump. Two 1% tax cuts and anti regulation Justices. Trump had several populist issues that had popular appeal - hike on taxes on millionaires and keeping medicare. He never got a vote, and was told he never would or he'd be dealing with Schumer as leader of the Senate.

Hillary was just a disaster. Things were getting better in rural Oh, Pa, Mi and Wisc but she didn't really bother to tell people how.

The problem is, as the dems are finding out now, in America we simply NEED rich people. Without them, we are communists.

 

[Lesh]

I like Tucker but I voted "no". I think the real reason Trump won was not so much a "fuck you" to the establishment although that was part of it. Instead I think he won because subconsciously Americans of European descent want to protect themselves from displacement even though most of them have been brainwashed to think there's something wrong with being white.

Yup...race played a huge part of it

 

[Rustic]

Trump is a disaster and a great lesson to all who observe. The lesson being that politics is a profession best left to the professionals. The sooner this fucking idiot is removed from office either by ballot, impeachment or term limits, the better off this nation and the world will be.

I’m more apt to agree with your first point. Trump and his supporters are only about sticking it to people. Nothing else.

There would be no trump if there was no Obama… Karma is a bitch live with it bedwetter

 

[Lesh]

There would be no trump if there was no Obama… Karma is a bitch live with it bedwetter

Because racists were incensed that a Black Man was President?

Oh...

 

[Rustic]

There would be no trump if there was no Obama… Karma is a bitch live with it bedwetter

Because racists were incensed that a Black Man was President?

Oh...

Lol
Obama is only half black… Nice try

 

[impuretrash]

I like Tucker but I voted "no". I think the real reason Trump won was not so much a "fuck you" to the establishment although that was part of it. Instead I think he won because subconsciously Americans of European descent want to protect themselves from displacement even though most of them have been brainwashed to think there's something wrong with being white.

Yup...race played a huge part of it

Can you really blame us for being a bit worried about the direction we're headed?

The left goes around spreading this propaganda about how white people throughout history are basically like vampires exploiting and sucking the world dry and that we need to just deal with it and accept that our time is over.

 

[keepitreal]

There would be no trump if there was no Obama… Karma is a bitch live with it bedwetter

Because racists were incensed that a Black Man was President?

Oh...

No moron, because he f*cked up enough shit,
Hillary would have picked up where he left off

 

[Meister]

Trump is a disaster and a great lesson to all who observe. The lesson being that politics is a profession best left to the professionals. The sooner this fucking idiot is removed from office either by ballot, impeachment or term limits, the better off this nation and the world will be.

I’m more apt to agree with your first point. Trump and his supporters are only about sticking it to people. Nothing else.

I would gladly take a disaster like that in future elections than having a winner like Obama.
More has been done in a little over two years than the previous 8 years.

 

[candycorn]

Trump is a disaster and a great lesson to all who observe. The lesson being that politics is a profession best left to the professionals. The sooner this fucking idiot is removed from office either by ballot, impeachment or term limits, the better off this nation and the world will be.

I’m more apt to agree with your first point. Trump and his supporters are only about sticking it to people. Nothing else.

There would be no trump if there was no Obama… Karma is a bitch live with it bedwetter

That’s probably true. Guys like you can’t stand that a black man was elected so naturally all of the support would flow to a racist xenophobe as soon as it could.

 

[candycorn]

Trump is a disaster and a great lesson to all who observe. The lesson being that politics is a profession best left to the professionals. The sooner this fucking idiot is removed from office either by ballot, impeachment or term limits, the better off this nation and the world will be.

I’m more apt to agree with your first point. Trump and his supporters are only about sticking it to people. Nothing else.

I would gladly take a disaster like that in future elections than having a winner like Obama.
More has been done in a little over two years than the previous 8 years.

Most Americans aren’t aficionados of kidnapping, whore banging, etc…

 

[justoffal]

Trump is a disaster and a great lesson to all who observe. The lesson being that politics is a profession best left to the professionals. The sooner this fucking idiot is removed from office either by ballot, impeachment or term limits, the better off this nation and the world will be.

I’m more apt to agree with your first point. Trump and his supporters are only about sticking it to people. Nothing else.

Anyone who is a professional politician is already a failure.

Jo

 

[lantern2814]

Trump is a disaster and a great lesson to all who observe. The lesson being that politics is a profession best left to the professionals. The sooner this fucking idiot is removed from office either by ballot, impeachment or term limits, the better off this nation and the world will be.

I’m more apt to agree with your first point. Trump and his supporters are only about sticking it to people. Nothing else.

There would be no trump if there was no Obama… Karma is a bitch live with it bedwetter

That’s probably true. Guys like you can’t stand that a black man was elected so naturally all of the support would flow to a racist xenophobe as soon as it could.

When you have to resort to the tired line "you hate Obama because he's black", that's a sure sign you've lost the argument.

 

[Meister]

Trump is a disaster and a great lesson to all who observe. The lesson being that politics is a profession best left to the professionals. The sooner this fucking idiot is removed from office either by ballot, impeachment or term limits, the better off this nation and the world will be.

I’m more apt to agree with your first point. Trump and his supporters are only about sticking it to people. Nothing else.

I would gladly take a disaster like that in future elections than having a winner like Obama.
More has been done in a little over two years than the previous 8 years.

Most Americans aren’t aficionados of kidnapping, whore banging, etc…

Darling.........Your wrath is showing. Envious? ( I don't know) But it's not a popularity contest.
It's who is best for the USA

Economic Growth

• 4.2 percent growth in the second quarter of 2018.
• For the first time in more than a decade, growth is projected to exceed 3 percent over the calendar year.

Jobs

• 4 million new jobs have been created since the election, and more than 3.5 million since Trump took office.
• More Americans are employed now than ever before in our history.
• Jobless claims at lowest level in nearly five decades.
• The economy has achieved the longest positive job-growth streak on record.
• Job openings are at an all-time high and outnumber job seekers for the first time on record.
• Unemployment claims at 50 year low
• African-American, Hispanic, and Asian-American unemployment rates have all recently reached record lows.
  • African-American unemployment hit a record low of 5.9 percent in May 2018.
  • Hispanic unemployment at 4.5 percent.
  • Asian-American unemployment at record low of 2 percent.
• Women’s unemployment recently at lowest rate in nearly 65 years.
  • Female unemployment dropped to 3.6 percent in May 2018, the lowest since October 1953.
• Youth unemployment recently reached its lowest level in more than 50 years.
  • July 2018’s youth unemployment rate of 9.2 percent was the lowest since July 1966.
• Veterans’ unemployment recently hit its lowest level in nearly two decades.
  • July 2018’s veterans’ unemployment rate of 3.0 percent matched the lowest rate since May 2001.
• Unemployment rate for Americans without a high school diploma recently reached a record low.
• Rate for disabled Americans recently hit a record low.
• Blue-collar jobs recently grew at the fastest rate in more than three decades.
• Poll found that 85 percent of blue-collar workers believe their lives are headed “in the right direction.”
  • 68 percent reported receiving a pay increase in the past year.
• Last year, job satisfaction among American workers hit its highest level since 2005.
• Nearly two-thirds of Americans rate now as a good time to find a quality job.
  • Optimism about the availability of good jobs has grown by 25 percent.
• Added more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since the election.
  • Manufacturing employment is growing at its fastest pace in more than two decades.
• 100,000 new jobs supporting the production & transport of oil & natural gas.

American Income

• Median household income rose to $61,372 in 2017, a post-recession high.
• Wages up in August by their fastest rate since June 2009.
• Paychecks rose by 3.3 percent between 2016 and 2017, the most in a decade.
• Council of Economic Advisers found that real wage compensation has grown by 1.4 percent over the past year.
• Some 3.9 million Americans off food stamps since the election.
• Median income for Hispanic-Americans rose by 3.7 percent and surpassed $50,000 for the first time ever in history.
  • Home-ownership among Hispanics is at the highest rate in nearly a decade.
• Poverty rates for African-Americans and Hispanic-Americans have reached their lowest levels ever recorded
• Trump’s list: 289 accomplishments in just 20 months, ‘relentless’ promise-keeping

 

[g5000]

My two takeaways from reading "Ship of Fools" are:

1. Tucker nailed Trump's 2016 win:
"Trump might be vulgar and ignorant, but he wasn't responsible for the many disasters America's leaders created. He didn't open the borders, or sit idly by as manufacturing sector collapsed and the middle class died.
Trump's election wasn't about Trump. It was a throbbing middle finger in the face of America's ruling class (the Establishment of BOTH parties). It was a gesture of contempt, a howl, a rage, the end result of of decades of selfish decisions made by selfish leaders of both parties.
In retrospect, the lesson was "Ignore voters for long enough and you get Donald Trump". Yet the people the message was aimed at never received it. Instead of pausing, listening, thinking, and changing, America's ruling class withdrew. They explained away their loss with theories as implausible as:
1. Trump lost the popular vote, so he's really illigitamate
2. Trump won because of fake news and propaganda on FXN
3. Trump won because of Russian meddling
4. Trump won because he's a racist, and that's what white voters really want"

But none of these stupid excuses withstand scrutiny...."

2. How can we save the US and the middle class?
Tucker believes that the death of the middle class, as seen by family formation and family income distribution changes is the problem to be solved, before the US devolves into Latin America, with only the wealthy and the serfs. A healthy democracy depends on a healthy middle class. From where the US is now it can progress in two directions:
a) It can go from Trump to Maduro, where the serfs want, or demand, more wealth, and socialism seems the quickest way to get it. Seeing the "Green New Deal" this option is now on the table, and Bernie can make it happen.
b) The leaders in government can pass laws to strengthen the middle class by creating better jobs, and taxing the wealthy more, but not excessively more. Control immigration to protect wages. Protect entitlements.

So those are opinions as presented. Is Tucker mostly right? Lets take a poll.

The 2016 election was about Mexicans and Muslims. That's why Trump pounded on them in his candidacy announcement.

There were 16 other Republican candidates. Several of whom are actual conservatives, unlike Trump. Every one of them would have appointed pro-life judges. And at least one knows exactly how to balance the federal budget because he has done it before.

But the Rube Herd went for the huckster. The guy who cheats on all three wives, cheats investors, and cheats senior citizens out of their retirement nest eggs at his fake university. Somehow, these dumb fucks didn't think Trump would cheat them, too.

The wall isn't being built, and our trade deficit with Mexico is skyrocketing. So Mexico isn't going to be paying for the wall.

The deficit has doubled, and Trump has increased spending to the highest government spending in human history. So no balanced budget, no small government. He's bankrupting generations of American taxpayers.

And there is no Obamacare replacement. The biggest hoax of all.


Here's the breakdown on Trump voters:

1. A significant number of Trump voters were voting AGAINST Hillary. My dad is one of them. He hates Trump, but he hated Hillary more. These are the "lesser of two evils" lemmings.

2. A smaller number of Trump voters were giving "The Establishment" the finger. Most Americans know they are being robbed somehow. They don't know how, but they can feel it. And they know the robbery doesn't stop no matter who is in office. So they voted for Trump as a "Fuck You" to the Establishment. Hilariously, they are STILL being ripped off. Trump totally hoaxed them.

3. The final group are the bigots, retards, liars, hypocrites and psychopaths who have hijacked the Republican party. For them, this election was about Mexicans and Muslims, and nothing else. And this contingent is what pushed Trump over the top by the slimmest of margins.

 

[candycorn]

Trump is a disaster and a great lesson to all who observe. The lesson being that politics is a profession best left to the professionals. The sooner this fucking idiot is removed from office either by ballot, impeachment or term limits, the better off this nation and the world will be.

I’m more apt to agree with your first point. Trump and his supporters are only about sticking it to people. Nothing else.

There would be no trump if there was no Obama… Karma is a bitch live with it bedwetter

That’s probably true. Guys like you can’t stand that a black man was elected so naturally all of the support would flow to a racist xenophobe as soon as it could.

When you have to resort to the tired line "you hate Obama because he's black", that's a sure sign you've lost the argument.

When you attribute one Presidency for being responsible for another presidency, thats a sure sign you don’t have an argument to start with.

 

[Meister]

My two takeaways from reading "Ship of Fools" are:

1. Tucker nailed Trump's 2016 win:
"Trump might be vulgar and ignorant, but he wasn't responsible for the many disasters America's leaders created. He didn't open the borders, or sit idly by as manufacturing sector collapsed and the middle class died.
Trump's election wasn't about Trump. It was a throbbing middle finger in the face of America's ruling class (the Establishment of BOTH parties). It was a gesture of contempt, a howl, a rage, the end result of of decades of selfish decisions made by selfish leaders of both parties.
In retrospect, the lesson was "Ignore voters for long enough and you get Donald Trump". Yet the people the message was aimed at never received it. Instead of pausing, listening, thinking, and changing, America's ruling class withdrew. They explained away their loss with theories as implausible as:
1. Trump lost the popular vote, so he's really illigitamate
2. Trump won because of fake news and propaganda on FXN
3. Trump won because of Russian meddling
4. Trump won because he's a racist, and that's what white voters really want"

But none of these stupid excuses withstand scrutiny...."

2. How can we save the US and the middle class?
Tucker believes that the death of the middle class, as seen by family formation and family income distribution changes is the problem to be solved, before the US devolves into Latin America, with only the wealthy and the serfs. A healthy democracy depends on a healthy middle class. From where the US is now it can progress in two directions:
a) It can go from Trump to Maduro, where the serfs want, or demand, more wealth, and socialism seems the quickest way to get it. Seeing the "Green New Deal" this option is now on the table, and Bernie can make it happen.
b) The leaders in government can pass laws to strengthen the middle class by creating better jobs, and taxing the wealthy more, but not excessively more. Control immigration to protect wages. Protect entitlements.

So those are opinions as presented. Is Tucker mostly right? Lets take a poll.

The 2016 election was about Mexicans and Muslims. That's why Trump pounded on them in his candidacy announcement.

There were 16 other Republican candidates. Several of whom are actual conservatives, unlike Trump. Every one of them would have appointed pro-life judges. And at least one knows exactly how to balance the federal budget because he has done it before.

But the Rube Herd went for the huckster. The guy who cheats on all three wives, cheats investors, and cheats senior citizens out of their retirement nest eggs at his fake university. Somehow, these dumb fucks didn't think Trump would cheat them, too.

The wall isn't being built, and our trade deficit with Mexico is skyrocketing. So Mexico isn't going to be paying for the wall.

The deficit has doubled, and Trump has increased spending to the highest government spending in human history. So no balanced budget, no small government. He's bankrupting generations of American taxpayers.

And there is no Obamacare replacement. The biggest hoax of all.


Here's the breakdown on Trump voters:

1. A significant number of Trump voters were voting AGAINST Hillary. My dad is one of them. He hates Trump, but he hated Hillary more. These are the "lesser of two evils" lemmings.

2. A smaller number of Trump voters were giving "The Establishment" the finger. Most Americans know they are being robbed somehow. They don't know how, but they can feel it. And they know the robbery doesn't stop no matter who is in office. So they voted for Trump as a "Fuck You" to the Establishment. Hilariously, they are STILL being ripped off. Trump totally hoaxed them.

3. The final group are the bigots, retards, liars, hypocrites and psychopaths who have hijacked the Republican party. For them, this election was about Mexicans and Muslims, and nothing else. And this contingent is what pushed Trump over the top by the slimmest of margins.

A lot of the voters voted for Trump for one reason....replacing Scalia.
Changing Obamacare was another reason.

 

[TNHarley]

QUOTE="TNHarley, post: 21947374, member: 39965"]

You would be hard pressed to get me to believe the way we have been doing things is better than this dipshit we have now.
You fuckers just let the corrupt establishment ass fuck you with massive dildos. And you like it.
Blows my fucking mind.

Really?

What did i say?

Not sure. You seem to believe that If we had had Trump in office instead of Lincoln, Roosevelt, FDR, Reagan, Clinton et. al. We ‘d somehow be better off. I’d ask you to demonstrate your reasoning but I’m sure you won’t in place of more profane snark.

Perhaps you will surprise me and tell us how the blob would have been better than those men.

Lincoln was a tyrant. How the fuck does your disingenuous ass blast trump for the constitution and throw out lincoln who shit on our constitution more than all other presidents combined? You are a dumbass
The people you listed were more "presidential" but that doesnt mean we would have been better off. And there is no possible way to compare it. Different times. Of course, you obviously bath in fallacy.
Our professional politicians, as you like to call them threw the middle east in chaos. Helped throw south america in chaos. Helped build up the mexican cartels with their fascist policies. Armed our enemies. Literally put drugs in our streets. Let our children starve while we raise our debt to line dictators pockets.
Try to THINK.

^^^^^^^^^^SPOT ON^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Lincoln was a tyrant?

Oooookay folks

Lalaland is here[/QUOTE]
He shit all over the constitution. Defied the supreme court, jailed journalists and civilians for not breaking any laws, sent his goons to rob and pillage. Good gawd, i could go on and on

 

[candycorn]

Trump is a disaster and a great lesson to all who observe. The lesson being that politics is a profession best left to the professionals. The sooner this fucking idiot is removed from office either by ballot, impeachment or term limits, the better off this nation and the world will be.

I’m more apt to agree with your first point. Trump and his supporters are only about sticking it to people. Nothing else.

I would gladly take a disaster like that in future elections than having a winner like Obama.
More has been done in a little over two years than the previous 8 years.

Most Americans aren’t aficionados of kidnapping, whore banging, etc…

Darling.........Your wrath is showing. Envious? ( I don't know) But it's not a popularity contest.
It's who is best for the USA

Economic Growth

• 4.2 percent growth in the second quarter of 2018.
• For the first time in more than a decade, growth is projected to exceed 3 percent over the calendar year.

Jobs

• 4 million new jobs have been created since the election, and more than 3.5 million since Trump took office.
• More Americans are employed now than ever before in our history.
• Jobless claims at lowest level in nearly five decades.
• The economy has achieved the longest positive job-growth streak on record.
• Job openings are at an all-time high and outnumber job seekers for the first time on record.
• Unemployment claims at 50 year low
• African-American, Hispanic, and Asian-American unemployment rates have all recently reached record lows.
  • African-American unemployment hit a record low of 5.9 percent in May 2018.
  • Hispanic unemployment at 4.5 percent.
  • Asian-American unemployment at record low of 2 percent.
• Women’s unemployment recently at lowest rate in nearly 65 years.
  • Female unemployment dropped to 3.6 percent in May 2018, the lowest since October 1953.
• Youth unemployment recently reached its lowest level in more than 50 years.
  • July 2018’s youth unemployment rate of 9.2 percent was the lowest since July 1966.
• Veterans’ unemployment recently hit its lowest level in nearly two decades.
  • July 2018’s veterans’ unemployment rate of 3.0 percent matched the lowest rate since May 2001.
• Unemployment rate for Americans without a high school diploma recently reached a record low.
• Rate for disabled Americans recently hit a record low.
• Blue-collar jobs recently grew at the fastest rate in more than three decades.
• Poll found that 85 percent of blue-collar workers believe their lives are headed “in the right direction.”
  • 68 percent reported receiving a pay increase in the past year.
• Last year, job satisfaction among American workers hit its highest level since 2005.
• Nearly two-thirds of Americans rate now as a good time to find a quality job.
  • Optimism about the availability of good jobs has grown by 25 percent.
• Added more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since the election.
  • Manufacturing employment is growing at its fastest pace in more than two decades.
• 100,000 new jobs supporting the production & transport of oil & natural gas.

American Income

• Median household income rose to $61,372 in 2017, a post-recession high.
• Wages up in August by their fastest rate since June 2009.
• Paychecks rose by 3.3 percent between 2016 and 2017, the most in a decade.
• Council of Economic Advisers found that real wage compensation has grown by 1.4 percent over the past year.
• Some 3.9 million Americans off food stamps since the election.
• Median income for Hispanic-Americans rose by 3.7 percent and surpassed $50,000 for the first time ever in history.
  • Home-ownership among Hispanics is at the highest rate in nearly a decade.
• Poverty rates for African-Americans and Hispanic-Americans have reached their lowest levels ever recorded
• Trump’s list: 289 accomplishments in just 20 months, ‘relentless’ promise-keeping

LOL…

All of this during a “national emergency”! LOL

You left off the $1,000,000,000,000 plus of deficit spending for 2 consecutive years.