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But is Trump actually making things better? He's spending us into oblivion and cutting taxes and the trade deficit with the Cheater China grows, and we have a trade war with non-cheating democratic-republics.My two takeaways from reading "Ship of Fools" are:
1. Tucker nailed Trump's 2016 win:
"Trump might be vulgar and ignorant, but he wasn't responsible for the many disasters America's leaders created. He didn't open the borders, or sit idly by as manufacturing sector collapsed and the middle class died.
Trump's election wasn't about Trump. It was a throbbing middle finger in the face of America's ruling class (the Establishment of BOTH parties). It was a gesture of contempt, a howl, a rage, the end result of of decades of selfish decisions made by selfish leaders of both parties.
In retrospect, the lesson was "Ignore voters for long enough and you get Donald Trump". Yet the people the message was aimed at never received it. Instead of pausing, listening, thinking, and changing, America's ruling class withdrew. They explained away their loss with theories as implausible as:
1. Trump lost the popular vote, so he's really illigitamate
2. Trump won because of fake news and propaganda on FXN
3. Trump won because of Russian meddling
4. Trump won because he's a racist, and that's what white voters really want"
But none of these stupid excuses withstand scrutiny...."
2. How can we save the US and the middle class?
Tucker believes that the death of the middle class, as seen by family formation and family income distribution changes is the problem to be solved, before the US devolves into Latin America, with only the wealthy and the serfs. A healthy democracy depends on a healthy middle class. From where the US is now it can progress in two directions:
a) It can go from Trump to Maduro, where the serfs want, or demand, more wealth, and socialism seems the quickest way to get it. Seeing the "Green New Deal" this option is now on the table, and Bernie can make it happen.
b) The leaders in government can pass laws to strengthen the middle class by creating better jobs, and taxing the wealthy more, but not excessively more. Control immigration to protect wages. Protect entitlements.
So those are opinions as presented. Is Tucker mostly right? Lets take a poll.
View attachment 248978Trump is a disaster and a great lesson to all who observe. The lesson being that politics is a profession best left to the professionals. The sooner this fucking idiot is removed from office either by ballot, impeachment or term limits, the better off this nation and the world will be.
I’m more apt to agree with your first point. Trump and his supporters are only about sticking it to people. Nothing else.
View attachment 248978Trump is a disaster and a great lesson to all who observe. The lesson being that politics is a profession best left to the professionals. The sooner this fucking idiot is removed from office either by ballot, impeachment or term limits, the better off this nation and the world will be.
I’m more apt to agree with your first point. Trump and his supporters are only about sticking it to people. Nothing else.
I give you and Brendan game balls!! Great post!!
Brendan O'Neill (journalist) - Wikipedia
Find an inconsistency in my support of following the constitution.Ahh…all of the sudden “shitting on the constitution” bothers you? LOLLincoln was a tyrant. How the fuck does your disingenuous ass blast trump for the constitution and throw out lincoln who shit on our constitution more than all other presidents combined?What did i say?You would be hard pressed to get me to believe the way we have been doing things is better than this dipshit we have now.
You fuckers just let the corrupt establishment ass fuck you with massive dildos. And you like it.
Blows my fucking mind.
Really?
Not sure. You seem to believe that If we had had Trump in office instead of Lincoln, Roosevelt, FDR, Reagan, Clinton et. al. We ‘d somehow be better off. I’d ask you to demonstrate your reasoning but I’m sure you won’t in place of more profane snark.
Perhaps you will surprise me and tell us how the blob would have been better than those men.
Would have been better off?The people you listed were more "presidential" but that doesnt mean we would have been better off. And there is no possible way to compare it. Different times.
We are what we are, the strongest nation financially, militarily, and in a very true sense, culturally. That is the reality created by the men and women we have elected over time.
You seem to be of the opinion that if a miserable fucking idiot like Trump were in the place of these people, we’d somehow be better off? I’m still waiting for you to prove that thesis. But, of course, you supply only profanity and snark.
I “bath” in fallacy? LOLOf course, you obviously bath in fallacy.
True. The Middle East was so stable before hand. LOLOur professional politicians, as you like to call them threw the middle east in chaos.
Okay?Helped throw south america in chaos.
Sure….whatever.Helped build up the mexican cartels with their fascist policies.
Oh brother.Armed our enemies.
Nonsense.Literally put drugs in our streets.
I agree, we have spent too much on too many bells and whistles. Meanwhile your blob wants to create a “space force” and cut aid to needy families. He’s let Puerto Rico fend for itself. Essentially all of the stuff you’ve just accused others of doing.Let our children starve while we raise our debt to line dictators pockets.
Try to THINK.
Yeah…you first.
Its actually very close to what you’re saying. At worst you’re saying Trump would have done better than his predecessors. At best you’re saying we would be no better off?Find an inconsistency in my support of following the constitution.Ahh…all of the sudden “shitting on the constitution” bothers you? LOLLincoln was a tyrant. How the fuck does your disingenuous ass blast trump for the constitution and throw out lincoln who shit on our constitution more than all other presidents combined?What did i say?Really?
Not sure. You seem to believe that If we had had Trump in office instead of Lincoln, Roosevelt, FDR, Reagan, Clinton et. al. We ‘d somehow be better off. I’d ask you to demonstrate your reasoning but I’m sure you won’t in place of more profane snark.
Perhaps you will surprise me and tell us how the blob would have been better than those men.
Would have been better off?The people you listed were more "presidential" but that doesnt mean we would have been better off. And there is no possible way to compare it. Different times.
We are what we are, the strongest nation financially, militarily, and in a very true sense, culturally. That is the reality created by the men and women we have elected over time.
You seem to be of the opinion that if a miserable fucking idiot like Trump were in the place of these people, we’d somehow be better off? I’m still waiting for you to prove that thesis. But, of course, you supply only profanity and snark.
I “bath” in fallacy? LOLOf course, you obviously bath in fallacy.
True. The Middle East was so stable before hand. LOLOur professional politicians, as you like to call them threw the middle east in chaos.
Okay?Helped throw south america in chaos.
Sure….whatever.Helped build up the mexican cartels with their fascist policies.
Oh brother.Armed our enemies.
Nonsense.Literally put drugs in our streets.
I agree, we have spent too much on too many bells and whistles. Meanwhile your blob wants to create a “space force” and cut aid to needy families. He’s let Puerto Rico fend for itself. Essentially all of the stuff you’ve just accused others of doing.Let our children starve while we raise our debt to line dictators pockets.
Try to THINK.
Yeah…you first.
I dont believe i stated we would be better off with trump than the others. Im saying you are wrong in assuming the same ol same ol is better. Learn to forum.
You would be hard pressed to get me to believe the way we have been doing things is better than this dipshit we have now.
The ME was a true shithole before we got there, it was a shithole while we were fighting there, and it will be a shithole forever.We made the ME worse. Obviously.
Yes, our war on drugs has helped the cartels.
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El-Chapo may disagree.
Link? Do you think that really made a dimes’ worth of difference relative to the drug problem the US has?Reagans CIA was running cocaine from south america and selling it to american drug dealers.
For example?We have been arming our enemies for decades.
My gawd woman, have you been under a rock all this time?
I dont like trump. Didnt vote for him and wont in 2020. Find a new schtick.
Maybe not. You just rush to his defense 24/7/365.
Who cares if it was already a shithole? We made it worse. That was my whole point. Again, learn to forum.Its actually very close to what you’re saying. At worst you’re saying Trump would have done better than his predecessors. At best you’re saying we would be no better off?Find an inconsistency in my support of following the constitution.Ahh…all of the sudden “shitting on the constitution” bothers you? LOLLincoln was a tyrant. How the fuck does your disingenuous ass blast trump for the constitution and throw out lincoln who shit on our constitution more than all other presidents combined?What did i say?
Not sure. You seem to believe that If we had had Trump in office instead of Lincoln, Roosevelt, FDR, Reagan, Clinton et. al. We ‘d somehow be better off. I’d ask you to demonstrate your reasoning but I’m sure you won’t in place of more profane snark.
Perhaps you will surprise me and tell us how the blob would have been better than those men.
Would have been better off?The people you listed were more "presidential" but that doesnt mean we would have been better off. And there is no possible way to compare it. Different times.
We are what we are, the strongest nation financially, militarily, and in a very true sense, culturally. That is the reality created by the men and women we have elected over time.
You seem to be of the opinion that if a miserable fucking idiot like Trump were in the place of these people, we’d somehow be better off? I’m still waiting for you to prove that thesis. But, of course, you supply only profanity and snark.
I “bath” in fallacy? LOLOf course, you obviously bath in fallacy.
True. The Middle East was so stable before hand. LOLOur professional politicians, as you like to call them threw the middle east in chaos.
Okay?Helped throw south america in chaos.
Sure….whatever.Helped build up the mexican cartels with their fascist policies.
Oh brother.Armed our enemies.
Nonsense.Literally put drugs in our streets.
I agree, we have spent too much on too many bells and whistles. Meanwhile your blob wants to create a “space force” and cut aid to needy families. He’s let Puerto Rico fend for itself. Essentially all of the stuff you’ve just accused others of doing.Let our children starve while we raise our debt to line dictators pockets.
Try to THINK.
Yeah…you first.
I dont believe i stated we would be better off with trump than the others. Im saying you are wrong in assuming the same ol same ol is better. Learn to forum.
You would be hard pressed to get me to believe the way we have been doing things is better than this dipshit we have now.
So please state what you mean.
The ME was a true shithole before we got there, it was a shithole while we were fighting there, and it will be a shithole forever.We made the ME worse. Obviously.
Did we make it worse? I will agree we did; especially in Iraq in 2003-today. Those in Kuwait and in Afghanistan may disagree somewhat however.
Yes, our war on drugs has helped the cartels.
[/quote[]
El-Chapo may disagree.
Link? Do you think that really made a dimes’ worth of difference relative to the drug problem the US has?Reagans CIA was running cocaine from south america and selling it to american drug dealers.
For example?We have been arming our enemies for decades.
My gawd woman, have you been under a rock all this time?
I dont like trump. Didnt vote for him and wont in 2020. Find a new schtick.
Maybe not. You just rush to his defense 24/7/365.
Who cares if it was already a shithole? We made it worse. That was my whole point. Again, learn to forum.Its actually very close to what you’re saying. At worst you’re saying Trump would have done better than his predecessors. At best you’re saying we would be no better off?Find an inconsistency in my support of following the constitution.Ahh…all of the sudden “shitting on the constitution” bothers you? LOLLincoln was a tyrant. How the fuck does your disingenuous ass blast trump for the constitution and throw out lincoln who shit on our constitution more than all other presidents combined?Not sure. You seem to believe that If we had had Trump in office instead of Lincoln, Roosevelt, FDR, Reagan, Clinton et. al. We ‘d somehow be better off. I’d ask you to demonstrate your reasoning but I’m sure you won’t in place of more profane snark.
Perhaps you will surprise me and tell us how the blob would have been better than those men.
Would have been better off?The people you listed were more "presidential" but that doesnt mean we would have been better off. And there is no possible way to compare it. Different times.
We are what we are, the strongest nation financially, militarily, and in a very true sense, culturally. That is the reality created by the men and women we have elected over time.
You seem to be of the opinion that if a miserable fucking idiot like Trump were in the place of these people, we’d somehow be better off? I’m still waiting for you to prove that thesis. But, of course, you supply only profanity and snark.
I “bath” in fallacy? LOLOf course, you obviously bath in fallacy.
True. The Middle East was so stable before hand. LOLOur professional politicians, as you like to call them threw the middle east in chaos.
Okay?Helped throw south america in chaos.
Sure….whatever.Helped build up the mexican cartels with their fascist policies.
Oh brother.Armed our enemies.
Nonsense.Literally put drugs in our streets.
I agree, we have spent too much on too many bells and whistles. Meanwhile your blob wants to create a “space force” and cut aid to needy families. He’s let Puerto Rico fend for itself. Essentially all of the stuff you’ve just accused others of doing.Let our children starve while we raise our debt to line dictators pockets.
Try to THINK.
Yeah…you first.
I dont believe i stated we would be better off with trump than the others. Im saying you are wrong in assuming the same ol same ol is better. Learn to forum.
You would be hard pressed to get me to believe the way we have been doing things is better than this dipshit we have now.
So please state what you mean.
The ME was a true shithole before we got there, it was a shithole while we were fighting there, and it will be a shithole forever.We made the ME worse. Obviously.
Did we make it worse? I will agree we did; especially in Iraq in 2003-today. Those in Kuwait and in Afghanistan may disagree somewhat however.
Yes, our war on drugs has helped the cartels.
[/quote[]
El-Chapo may disagree.
Link? Do you think that really made a dimes’ worth of difference relative to the drug problem the US has?Reagans CIA was running cocaine from south america and selling it to american drug dealers.
For example?We have been arming our enemies for decades.
My gawd woman, have you been under a rock all this time?
I dont like trump. Didnt vote for him and wont in 2020. Find a new schtick.
Maybe not. You just rush to his defense 24/7/365.
Who cares if it made a difference? We were bringing in tons of cocaine. Our fucking govt was putting drugs in the street while going through a war on drugs.
You need an example for us arming terrorists? Are you retarded?
I also blast his fatass all the time. But you dont see that do ya? Because you are a hack. Obama was one of the worst presidents we ever had and i still defend him over manufactured bullshit.
I dont pick and choose like you partisan hacks.
I'm no Obama fan, but deficits are SUPPOSED to increase in recessions, and the deficits were declining until Trump. Let's keep it honest. It's a pretty decent discussion for a change.Hek candycorn, i got a few republican hacks to backtrack on claiming obama doubled the debt. Because i was blasting peaches in chief for spending like the world is going to end tomorrow. Its now not the presidemts fault for signing outrageous bills.
You are welcome, dickhead.
Lincoln was a tyrant. How the fuck does your disingenuous ass blast trump for the constitution and throw out lincoln who shit on our constitution more than all other presidents combined? You are a dumbassWhat did i say?You would be hard pressed to get me to believe the way we have been doing things is better than this dipshit we have now.Trump is a disaster and a great lesson to all who observe. The lesson being that politics is a profession best left to the professionals. The sooner this fucking idiot is removed from office either by ballot, impeachment or term limits, the better off this nation and the world will be.
I’m more apt to agree with your first point. Trump and his supporters are only about sticking it to people. Nothing else.
You fuckers just let the corrupt establishment ass fuck you with massive dildos. And you like it.
Blows my fucking mind.
Really?
Not sure. You seem to believe that If we had had Trump in office instead of Lincoln, Roosevelt, FDR, Reagan, Clinton et. al. We ‘d somehow be better off. I’d ask you to demonstrate your reasoning but I’m sure you won’t in place of more profane snark.
Perhaps you will surprise me and tell us how the blob would have been better than those men.
QUOTE="TNHarley, post: 21947374, member: 39965"]Lincoln was a tyrant. How the fuck does your disingenuous ass blast trump for the constitution and throw out lincoln who shit on our constitution more than all other presidents combined? You are a dumbassWhat did i say?You would be hard pressed to get me to believe the way we have been doing things is better than this dipshit we have now.Trump is a disaster and a great lesson to all who observe. The lesson being that politics is a profession best left to the professionals. The sooner this fucking idiot is removed from office either by ballot, impeachment or term limits, the better off this nation and the world will be.
I’m more apt to agree with your first point. Trump and his supporters are only about sticking it to people. Nothing else.
You fuckers just let the corrupt establishment ass fuck you with massive dildos. And you like it.
Blows my fucking mind.
Really?
Not sure. You seem to believe that If we had had Trump in office instead of Lincoln, Roosevelt, FDR, Reagan, Clinton et. al. We ‘d somehow be better off. I’d ask you to demonstrate your reasoning but I’m sure you won’t in place of more profane snark.
Perhaps you will surprise me and tell us how the blob would have been better than those men.
The people you listed were more "presidential" but that doesnt mean we would have been better off. And there is no possible way to compare it. Different times. Of course, you obviously bath in fallacy.
Our professional politicians, as you like to call them threw the middle east in chaos. Helped throw south america in chaos. Helped build up the mexican cartels with their fascist policies. Armed our enemies. Literally put drugs in our streets. Let our children starve while we raise our debt to line dictators pockets.
Try to THINK.
Spot on .... topic. LOL[/QUOTE]QUOTE="TNHarley, post: 21947374, member: 39965"]Lincoln was a tyrant. How the fuck does your disingenuous ass blast trump for the constitution and throw out lincoln who shit on our constitution more than all other presidents combined? You are a dumbassWhat did i say?You would be hard pressed to get me to believe the way we have been doing things is better than this dipshit we have now.
You fuckers just let the corrupt establishment ass fuck you with massive dildos. And you like it.
Blows my fucking mind.
Really?
Not sure. You seem to believe that If we had had Trump in office instead of Lincoln, Roosevelt, FDR, Reagan, Clinton et. al. We ‘d somehow be better off. I’d ask you to demonstrate your reasoning but I’m sure you won’t in place of more profane snark.
Perhaps you will surprise me and tell us how the blob would have been better than those men.
The people you listed were more "presidential" but that doesnt mean we would have been better off. And there is no possible way to compare it. Different times. Of course, you obviously bath in fallacy.
Our professional politicians, as you like to call them threw the middle east in chaos. Helped throw south america in chaos. Helped build up the mexican cartels with their fascist policies. Armed our enemies. Literally put drugs in our streets. Let our children starve while we raise our debt to line dictators pockets.
Try to THINK.
^^^^^^^^^^SPOT ON^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
A healthy democracy depends on a healthy middle class.
Except America is a Republic. We want a healthy Republic. A healthy Republic depends on the middle class is what you should have said. A Democracy and a Republic are two polar opposite forms of government.
It is important to keep in mind the difference between a Democracy and a Republic, as dissimilar forms of government. Understanding the difference is essential to comprehension of the fundamentals involved. It should be noted, in passing, that use of the word Democracy as meaning merely the popular type of government featuring genuinely free elections by the people periodically is not helpful in discussing, as here, the difference between alternative and dissimilar forms of a popular government: a Democracy versus a Republic.
This double meaning of Democracy, a popular-type government in general, as well as a specific form of popular government needs to be made clear in any discussion, or writing, regarding this subject, for the sake of sound understanding.
So, when you say "A healthy democracy' you're confusing the two. But it's all over the television these days, and both sides of the fake party of one are always saying 'our democracy this' or 'our democracy that.' Like it's a form of government we have or something. Which it isn't. At all.
A Democracy
The chief characteristic and distinguishing feature of a Democracy is: Rule by Omnipotent Majority.
In a Democracy, The Individual, and any group of Individuals composing any Minority, have no protection against the unlimited power of The Majority. It is a case of Majority-over-Man.
This is true whether it be a Direct Democracy, or a Representative Democracy.
A Republic
A Republic, on the other hand, has a very different purpose and an entirely different form, or system, of government. Its purpose is to control The Majority strictly, as well as all others among the people, primarily to protect The Individual’s God-given, unalienable rights and therefore for the protection of the rights of The Minority, of all minorities, and the liberties of people in general.
The definition of a Republic is: a constitutionally limited government of the representative type, created by a written Constitution, adopted by the people and changeable (from its original meaning) by them only by its amendment, with its powers divided between three separate Branches: Executive, Legislative and Judicial.
Here the term "the people" means, of course, the electorate.
Instead of eagerly adhering to the statist narrative and conforming to their deceptive language when referencing our Republic, meaning our form of government, as a form of government that it patently is not, it should be corrected at every instance. In 'a Democracy' there is no middle class.
So in other words, you're supporting the Democractic agenda and you're turning against Trump and his "transfer of wealth" tax cuts.
Where do you morons come up with this nonsense 
Exactly.Trump is a disaster and a great lesson to all who observe. The lesson being that politics is a profession best left to the professionals. The sooner this fucking idiot is removed from office either by ballot, impeachment or term limits, the better off this nation and the world will be.
I’m more apt to agree with your first point. Trump and his supporters are only about sticking it to people. Nothing else.
This is a democracy !!!!!
