POLL: The ACHA - Can the GOP govern?

[Mac1958]

From what I've heard, the health care bill is tied to tax reform in some way.

If they can't get their act together, I wonder if there would be a domino effect.
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If they can't pass a healthcare bill which (on paper) reduces the deficit, they can't pass a tax cut. Republicans passed a law which says you cannot pass legislation which will increase the deficit 10 years down the road.

Without the cuts to Medicaid and the ACA subsidies, they can't cut the ACA taxes meet that standard.

The tax cuts proposed are also problematic because the math depends on the tax cuts generating enough income to pay for themselves (didn't happen for Reagan or Bush II), and any increases in Medicaid and Medicaid Part D.

I find it very difficult to believe that they'll be able to pass a bill that would get enough votes at this point. There are enough clear-thinking Republicans who know how bad it would look. At least I think there is.
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[Billy_Kinetta]

We were promised for eight (8) years the the GOP had the alternative to the ACA, if we'd only just elect them.

Well, they now have control of the White House, the House, the Senate and State Houses, and it's my understanding that the current Dog Catcher population is primarily GOP as well.

First, as we know, it turns out they never had a plan.

Second, as we know, the "plan" they're trying to roll out is not Repeal & Replace, it's Tweak. That's the best they can do, tweak.

Third, it's 50/50 at best that this "plan" will make it to the President's desk, since the party can't seem to bring its disparate factions together on a deal.

What does the above say about the GOP?
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It says there are too many Democrats in the Republican Party.

 

[brummelben]

We were promised for eight (8) years the the GOP had the alternative to the ACA, if we'd only just elect them.

Well, they now have control of the White House, the House, the Senate and State Houses, and it's my understanding that the current Dog Catcher population is primarily GOP as well.

First, as we know, it turns out they never had a plan.

Second, as we know, the "plan" they're trying to roll out is not Repeal & Replace, it's Tweak. That's the best they can do, tweak.

Third, it's 50/50 at best that this "plan" will make it to the President's desk, since the party can't seem to bring its disparate factions together on a deal.

What does the above say about the GOP?
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It says there are too many Democrats in the Republican Party.

One pathetic excuse after another for TOTAL FAILURE.

 

[Mac1958]

What does the above say about the GOP?

It says there are too many Democrats in the Republican Party.

Well, this is their best shot, one way or the other.
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[rightwinger]

From what I've heard, the health care bill is tied to tax reform in some way.

If they can't get their act together, I wonder if there would be a domino effect.
.

If they can't pass a healthcare bill which (on paper) reduces the deficit, they can't pass a tax cut. Republicans passed a law which says you cannot pass legislation which will increase the deficit 10 years down the road.

Without the cuts to Medicaid and the ACA subsidies, they can't cut the ACA taxes meet that standard.

The tax cuts proposed are also problematic because the math depends on the tax cuts generating enough income to pay for themselves (didn't happen for Reagan or Bush II), and any increases in Medicaid and Medicaid Part D.

I find it very difficult to believe that they'll be able to pass a bill that would get enough votes at this point. There are enough clear-thinking Republicans who know how bad it would look. At least I think there is.
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Republicans are still in hunker down mode

Refusing to meet with their constituents, avoiding getting their name attached to Trumpcare
A yes vote would be a death sentence in many key districts

 

[sealybobo]

The duopoly is one our biggest failures. Neither party can govern. That much is CLEAR

We could have if people showed up in 2010 to vote out the obstructionist Republicans. Since they didn't show up to vote out the bums, the poor and lower middle class Americans fucked themselves. So when they don't get raises and take cuts to social security, they need to realize they fucked themselves.

"You Can't Govern if You Don't Believe in Government"

 

[debbiedowner]

Let's hope they can replace it with something sensible, not single payer. Even Cali didn't pass single payer and the government simply can't afford such thing.

Unfortunately, the replacement is not going to be able to save it. The cockroach in this whole issue is the preexisting condition issue. That is the problem.

Millions right now (including republican voters) are getting coverage that they NEED. If that is taken away from them, it will be a disaster.

Now, if they dont take it away, then the death spiral will continue. The reason for the mandates was to make sure those insurance companies dont go broke in providing treatment for those who NEED IT.

Trump is trying to take away those mandates that are crushing the small business owner. They are getting crushed by the mandates.

Without those mandates, it will be good for the small business owner, but the premiums will sky rocket for those with the preexisting conditions who cannot afford it but NEED it. Right now, MILLIONS have it. Cannot take it away and cannot raise those premiums.

It was a single payer trojan horse and John Roberts is to blame. No need to trying to communicate with the left. They are losers. Ignorant hypocritical losers.

What mandates for the small business owner?

What Is The Obamacare Employer Mandate?

You said small business now where is the mandate for small business? I already know all that you posted.

Holy shit.

So you said mandates on small business and you say holy shit. Why don't you admit there are no mandates on small business, 49 and below are considered small business, but you seem to think you are fucking knowledable.

 

[Rustic]

The problem for the ignorant left is that they think "the ability to govern" translates to passing every bill, no matter how flawed, without debate in order to insure some sort of party unity. That's not how government works.

Republicans cannot pass ANY bill

They have been promising a balanced budget, repeal of Obamacare, tax reform, a wall for ten years.....if only they were put in charge

Well, Republicans control the Government....why can't they get the simplest things done?

Universal healthcare for everybody would be a fucking joke…

 

[brummelben]

The problem for the ignorant left is that they think "the ability to govern" translates to passing every bill, no matter how flawed, without debate in order to insure some sort of party unity. That's not how government works.

Republicans cannot pass ANY bill

They have been promising a balanced budget, repeal of Obamacare, tax reform, a wall for ten years.....if only they were put in charge

Well, Republicans control the Government....why can't they get the simplest things done?

Universal healthcare for everybody would be a fucking joke…

Why so, it would be cheaper than private insurance.

 

[sealybobo]

The problem for the ignorant left is that they think "the ability to govern" translates to passing every bill, no matter how flawed, without debate in order to insure some sort of party unity. That's not how government works.

Republicans cannot pass ANY bill

They have been promising a balanced budget, repeal of Obamacare, tax reform, a wall for ten years.....if only they were put in charge

Well, Republicans control the Government....why can't they get the simplest things done?

Universal healthcare for everybody would be a fucking joke…

Not true. Everyone would get the basics and a rich guy like you could pay for premium insurance so you can keep your doctor, not have to wait, etc.

The purpose of healthcare is to prioritize people's health concerns, not prioritize profits. The profit-motive has no place in making decisions about healthcare. Healthcare is supposed treat people's illnesses, not pad the pockets of CEOs and upper management.

But some have gotten rich through the healthcare industry. In a piece on CEOs' compensation published in Becker's Hospital Review by Bob Herman, examples are given on CEO pay from the three largest for-profit hospital chains:

Alan Miller, Universal Health Services (King of Prussia, PA) - Total compensation is $13.2 million
Wayne Smith, Community Health Systems (Franklin, TN) - Total compensation is $8.8 million
Milton Johnson, Hospital Corporation of America (Nasville, TN) - Total compensation is 7.7 million

In addition, the highest annual salary raises are cited (from a SullivanCotter survey):

Business development executive - 11.6 percent
Ambulatory care executive - 8.5 percent
Quality management executive - 8.4 percent
Medical informatics executive - 6.5 percent

Despite the exorbitant amount of money executives make off of it, healthcare is a basic right. It is needed no matter what the circumstances are. To treat it as a commodity is to relegate it to buying and selling; without care being the most important part of it.

Leaving healthcare to the private health insurance industry makes it less and less affordable in the long run. And because it is attached to the "free" market, healthcare can fall victim to speculation, considering how the "free" market works with its boom and bust cycles.

 

[Correll]

The duopoly is one our biggest failures. Neither party can govern. That much is CLEAR

We could have if people showed up in 2010 to vote out the obstructionist Republicans. Since they didn't show up to vote out the bums, the poor and lower middle class Americans fucked themselves. So when they don't get raises and take cuts to social security, they need to realize they fucked themselves.

"You Can't Govern if You Don't Believe in Government"

I voted. All my friends voted. Don't we count as "people"?

 

[debbiedowner]

The problem for the ignorant left is that they think "the ability to govern" translates to passing every bill, no matter how flawed, without debate in order to insure some sort of party unity. That's not how government works.

Republicans cannot pass ANY bill

They have been promising a balanced budget, repeal of Obamacare, tax reform, a wall for ten years.....if only they were put in charge

Well, Republicans control the Government....why can't they get the simplest things done?

Universal healthcare for everybody would be a fucking joke…

Better start saving those nickels and dimes to pay your penalty, lol.

 

[Rustic]

The problem for the ignorant left is that they think "the ability to govern" translates to passing every bill, no matter how flawed, without debate in order to insure some sort of party unity. That's not how government works.

Republicans cannot pass ANY bill

They have been promising a balanced budget, repeal of Obamacare, tax reform, a wall for ten years.....if only they were put in charge

Well, Republicans control the Government....why can't they get the simplest things done?

Universal healthcare for everybody would be a fucking joke…

Why so, it would be cheaper than private insurance.

It would be fine if was 100% voluntary... nobody should be forced into any entitlement.

 

[Rustic]

The problem for the ignorant left is that they think "the ability to govern" translates to passing every bill, no matter how flawed, without debate in order to insure some sort of party unity. That's not how government works.

Republicans cannot pass ANY bill

They have been promising a balanced budget, repeal of Obamacare, tax reform, a wall for ten years.....if only they were put in charge

Well, Republicans control the Government....why can't they get the simplest things done?

Universal healthcare for everybody would be a fucking joke…

Not true. Everyone would get the basics and a rich guy like you could pay for premium insurance so you can keep your doctor, not have to wait, etc.

The purpose of healthcare is to prioritize people's health concerns, not prioritize profits. The profit-motive has no place in making decisions about healthcare. Healthcare is supposed treat people's illnesses, not pad the pockets of CEOs and upper management.

But some have gotten rich through the healthcare industry. In a piece on CEOs' compensation published in Becker's Hospital Review by Bob Herman, examples are given on CEO pay from the three largest for-profit hospital chains:

Alan Miller, Universal Health Services (King of Prussia, PA) - Total compensation is $13.2 million
Wayne Smith, Community Health Systems (Franklin, TN) - Total compensation is $8.8 million
Milton Johnson, Hospital Corporation of America (Nasville, TN) - Total compensation is 7.7 million

In addition, the highest annual salary raises are cited (from a SullivanCotter survey):

Business development executive - 11.6 percent
Ambulatory care executive - 8.5 percent
Quality management executive - 8.4 percent
Medical informatics executive - 6.5 percent

Despite the exorbitant amount of money executives make off of it, healthcare is a basic right. It is needed no matter what the circumstances are. To treat it as a commodity is to relegate it to buying and selling; without care being the most important part of it.

Leaving healthcare to the private health insurance industry makes it less and less affordable in the long run. And because it is attached to the "free" market, healthcare can fall victim to speculation, considering how the "free" market works with its boom and bust cycles.

If there is a choice i am all for it, nobody should forced to pay into a pool...

 

[Rustic]

The problem for the ignorant left is that they think "the ability to govern" translates to passing every bill, no matter how flawed, without debate in order to insure some sort of party unity. That's not how government works.

Republicans cannot pass ANY bill

They have been promising a balanced budget, repeal of Obamacare, tax reform, a wall for ten years.....if only they were put in charge

Well, Republicans control the Government....why can't they get the simplest things done?

Universal healthcare for everybody would be a fucking joke…

Better start saving those nickels and dimes to pay your penalty, lol.

Obamacare is not enforced anymore… Fact

 

[sealybobo]

The duopoly is one our biggest failures. Neither party can govern. That much is CLEAR

We could have if people showed up in 2010 to vote out the obstructionist Republicans. Since they didn't show up to vote out the bums, the poor and lower middle class Americans fucked themselves. So when they don't get raises and take cuts to social security, they need to realize they fucked themselves.

"You Can't Govern if You Don't Believe in Government"

I voted. All my friends voted. Don't we count as "people"?

I'm talking about the people who didn't show up last year or in 2010 and who don't like Republicans. I'm talking about the people who voted in 2008 and 2012 but didn't show up in 2010.

And I think you fucked yourself too. Not by not showing up but by voting for the wrong party. But at least you showed up. You can correct your mistake. Not showing up is worse. At least you made a decision. I can live with that. And if you are unhappy you can go vote differently. People who don't vote don't matter and they have no right to complain.

You seem happy with the results of the election so yes you count. In fact you count more than you should because a lot of idiots who don't agree with you didn't think it mattered if they showed up. Now they are going to see voting does matter.

 

[Theowl32]

Unfortunately, the replacement is not going to be able to save it. The cockroach in this whole issue is the preexisting condition issue. That is the problem.

Millions right now (including republican voters) are getting coverage that they NEED. If that is taken away from them, it will be a disaster.

Now, if they dont take it away, then the death spiral will continue. The reason for the mandates was to make sure those insurance companies dont go broke in providing treatment for those who NEED IT.

Trump is trying to take away those mandates that are crushing the small business owner. They are getting crushed by the mandates.

Without those mandates, it will be good for the small business owner, but the premiums will sky rocket for those with the preexisting conditions who cannot afford it but NEED it. Right now, MILLIONS have it. Cannot take it away and cannot raise those premiums.

It was a single payer trojan horse and John Roberts is to blame. No need to trying to communicate with the left. They are losers. Ignorant hypocritical losers.

What mandates for the small business owner?

What Is The Obamacare Employer Mandate?

You said small business now where is the mandate for small business? I already know all that you posted.

Holy shit.

So you said mandates on small business and you say holy shit. Why don't you admit there are no mandates on small business, 49 and below are considered small business, but you seem to think you are fucking knowledable.

You are a complete fucking moron.

 

[sealybobo]

The problem for the ignorant left is that they think "the ability to govern" translates to passing every bill, no matter how flawed, without debate in order to insure some sort of party unity. That's not how government works.

Republicans cannot pass ANY bill

They have been promising a balanced budget, repeal of Obamacare, tax reform, a wall for ten years.....if only they were put in charge

Well, Republicans control the Government....why can't they get the simplest things done?

Universal healthcare for everybody would be a fucking joke…

Not true. Everyone would get the basics and a rich guy like you could pay for premium insurance so you can keep your doctor, not have to wait, etc.

The purpose of healthcare is to prioritize people's health concerns, not prioritize profits. The profit-motive has no place in making decisions about healthcare. Healthcare is supposed treat people's illnesses, not pad the pockets of CEOs and upper management.

But some have gotten rich through the healthcare industry. In a piece on CEOs' compensation published in Becker's Hospital Review by Bob Herman, examples are given on CEO pay from the three largest for-profit hospital chains:

Alan Miller, Universal Health Services (King of Prussia, PA) - Total compensation is $13.2 million
Wayne Smith, Community Health Systems (Franklin, TN) - Total compensation is $8.8 million
Milton Johnson, Hospital Corporation of America (Nasville, TN) - Total compensation is 7.7 million

In addition, the highest annual salary raises are cited (from a SullivanCotter survey):

Business development executive - 11.6 percent
Ambulatory care executive - 8.5 percent
Quality management executive - 8.4 percent
Medical informatics executive - 6.5 percent

Despite the exorbitant amount of money executives make off of it, healthcare is a basic right. It is needed no matter what the circumstances are. To treat it as a commodity is to relegate it to buying and selling; without care being the most important part of it.

Leaving healthcare to the private health insurance industry makes it less and less affordable in the long run. And because it is attached to the "free" market, healthcare can fall victim to speculation, considering how the "free" market works with its boom and bust cycles.

If there is a choice i am all for it, nobody should forced to pay into a pool...

What choice? When you fall on your face and your company calls 911, they ambulance and hospital don't have a choice. They have to treat your sorry ass. I wish we would give people the choice and then either let them die or really make them pay every dime back.

You know what was funny? The other day Family Guy made fun of COBRA. They said something like, "cobra is great $1500 a month so I can keep my insurance while I'm unemployed" Who can afford that?

Private insurance is a joke. The whole system is a joke. We need single payer and then rich guys like you can pay extra so you can keep your doctor and so you don't have to wait.

 

[debbiedowner]

The problem for the ignorant left is that they think "the ability to govern" translates to passing every bill, no matter how flawed, without debate in order to insure some sort of party unity. That's not how government works.

Republicans cannot pass ANY bill

They have been promising a balanced budget, repeal of Obamacare, tax reform, a wall for ten years.....if only they were put in charge

Well, Republicans control the Government....why can't they get the simplest things done?

Universal healthcare for everybody would be a fucking joke…

Better start saving those nickels and dimes to pay your penalty, lol.

Obamacare is not enforced anymore… Fact

Even If You Expect Obamacare To Be Repealed, Don't Skip Paying Tax Penalty Now

IRS weakens enforcement of Obamacare individual mandate: Report

The IRS says taxpayers are still legally required to have health insurance or pay the penalty. It also maintains that it still has
discretion to follow up on a filer not indicating his health-insurance coverage status but, according to Reason, it’s not clear what would cause the agency to do that.

Although the new policy leaves Obamacare’s individual mandate on the books, it may make it easier for individuals to go without coverage while avoiding the penalty. Essentially, if not explicitly, it is a weakening of the mandate enforcement mechanism,” Reason reporter Peter Suderman wrote.

“It’s hard to enforce something without information,” Ryan Ellis, a senior fellow at the Conservative Reform Network, told Reason.

Trump still enforcing Obamacare mandate

The Trump administration is still dutifully enforcing Obamacare's individual mandate, despite early signals it might undermine the unpopular linchpin of the health care law.

Weeks after the close of tax season, the IRS continues to process penalties from potentially millions of taxpayers who refused to purchase health insurance last year.

Questions and Answers on the Individual Shared Responsibility Provision

Individual Shared Responsibility Provision

 

[debbiedowner]

What mandates for the small business owner?

What Is The Obamacare Employer Mandate?

You said small business now where is the mandate for small business? I already know all that you posted.

Holy shit.

So you said mandates on small business and you say holy shit. Why don't you admit there are no mandates on small business, 49 and below are considered small business, but you seem to think you are fucking knowledable.

You are a complete fucking moron.

So you're wrong and I'm the fucking moron? Gotta love from a know it all.