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1. Rand Paul nailed Fauci's ass to the wall proving the US paid China for GOF research. A really stupid idea by Fauci.The one lying is you as evidenced by your own links which highlight the fact that it's not been proven that covid is the result of gain-of-function research. And I don't have to prove shit about Fauci. I'm not the one making false claims -- you are. You're the one claiming that covid is the result of gain-of-function research even though your own links don't say that.Keep lying. That's all you know how to do.LOLOLOL1. Agreed that covid-19 was the result of gain-of-function research at the Wuhan LabLOLLOLOLOLThere is no disagreement. Read every word. There is no uncertainty in this article. You're welcome.It trumps nothing. You're literally claiming it was engineered via gain-of-function research when even your own links disagree with you.If Covid-19 most LIKELY was engineered in the Wuhan Lab, that Trumps the UNLIKELY event that it came from the Wuhan wet market, duh.LOLOMG, you are way out of your lane.Actually, Fauci played both sides of the argument...1. Your Lie#1, my point was refuted by my own links. Here is a link proving my point, NIH funded GOF research:"my post stands as correct. 1) NIH funded gain of function research"1. Your post has no content, just lies.LOLClearly you can't debate. You obfuscate. Maybe you know you are fighting the truth, so obfuscation is all you can do.You really can't stop posting bullshit, can ya, con?1. Yes there is evidence that Fauci paid China to do gain of function research. There are tons of credible sites.True, that would be a lie if Fauci actually knew the figure was $826K, but I have no evidence of that either. And your question about support paying China to do "gain of function" research is based on your falsehood that we paid China for gain-of-function research. That's never been proven either.Fauci is a liar. Rand is calling him a liar. The paper trail confirms that Fauci is lying. Do you support paying China to do "gain of function" research to make bat viruses more deadly? I don't.
Fauci claims US gave $600,000 to Wuhan lab research; documents show it was more
In a Senate hearing late last month, top doctor Anthony Fauci told lawmakers the U.S. granted $600,000 in funding to the Wuhan Institute of Virology over a five year period, but documents provided by the Department of Health and Human Services Friday show otherwise.www.foxnews.com
But seeing as how you can't stop yourself from lying, I can't wholly state I expect anything different from you.
Why US outsourced bat virus research to Wuhan - Asia Times
The US National Institutes of Health (NIH) funded bat-coronavirus research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China to the tune of US$3.7 million, aasiatimes.com
There are a lot of unknowns, speculation and differences of opinion on these topics. But let’s start with what we do know: In 2014, the NIH awarded a grant to the U.S.-based EcoHealth Alliance to study the risk of the future emergence of coronaviruses from bats. In 2019, the project was renewed for another five years, but it was canceled in April 2020 — three months after the first case of the coronavirus was confirmed in the U.S.
The Wuhan Lab and the Gain-of-Function Disagreement - FactCheck.org
A disagreement between Republican Sen. Rand Paul and Dr. Anthony Fauci has put $600,000 of U.S. grant money to the Wuhan Institute of Virology back into the spotlight, while making "gain-of-function" research a household term -- all amid calls for more investigation into the origins of SARS-CoV-2.www.factcheck.org
EcoHealth ultimately received $3.7 million over six years from the NIH and distributed nearly $600,000 of that total to China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology, a collaborator on the project, pre-approved by NIH.
The grant cancellation came at a time when then-President Donald Trump and others questioned the U.S. funding to a lab in Wuhan, while exaggerating the amount of federal money involved.
2. QED. You can't deny the funding.
3. My suspicion is that Dr Fauci's irresponsible research is what killed 600,000 Americans. Covid did not come directly from bats, it was enhanced via gain of function research. It will be proven.
I only got as far as this lie....
The US National Institutes of Health (NIH) funded bat-coronavirus research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China to the tune of US$3.7 million, a recent article in the British newspaper Daily Mail revealed.
You've now posted 2 articles on this.... one stating the NIH gave the Wuhan $826K, the other stating the NIH gave the Wuhan lab $3.7 million.
Clearly, they can't both be true. So clearly, you're posting fake news again.
So do you ever stop lying?
Ever???
This is exactly the reason you have zero cred. You say abortion is murder... then you say abortion is not murder. You say you're not pro-choice... then you say you are pro-choice. Now you say the NIH gave the Wuhan lab $826K... then you say the NIH gave the Wuhan lab $3.7 million.
You keep relying on fake news -- you keep on embarrassing yourself.
I'm retired, I have all day to post the truth.
1. NIH funded gain of function research at the Wuhan Lab to make bat viruses more deadly, the funding came from several US agencies, thru intermediaries, to cover their asses. So don't whine about the amounts and from whom.
2. The virus got out and killed 600,000 Americans, as well as hurt the US economy, and President Trump's term
US officials may have avoided the coronavirus lab-leak theory to avoid associations with controversial gain-of-function research
The US has funded labs that alter coronaviruses for research. That may have led officials to avoid investigating whether the virus leaked from a lab.www.businessinsider.com
3. Do you ever debate with facts? Ever??
4. In the US is abortion murder, y/n? So stop your stupid grade school arguments or you lose the debate, and that's all I'll put in future replies.
5. Your empty posts show how vapid your grade school arguments are.
You literally posted two different articles that contradicted each other but you project I'm the one obfuscating.
Your lies and nuttiness aside, you claim...
"NIH funded gain of function research at the Wuhan Lab to make bat viruses more deadly"
... but then you post an article that shows you're lying...
Scientists haven't ruled out the possibility that the coronavirus leaked from a lab.
... which means your claims haven't been proven to be true.
I don't even have to debate you. Your own articles do that for me.
2. Your post is contradictory, my post stands as correct. 1) NIH funded gain of function research, and 2) there is a possibility that the (deadlier) virus leaked from the lab.
3. My claims, as supported by Sen Rand Paul as well as many scientists are valid. The US paid for gain of function research, the virus then escaped from the Wuhan Lab.
4. You can't obfuscate when the truth is staring you in the face. All you have are lies and deflection.
Like I said, I have all day to keep re-posting the truth and disproving your childish unsubstantiated obfuscations.
You're still lying (surprise, surprise). Your point was refuted by your own links.
Again, your own links didn't say that. Your own links state that hasn't been confirmed.
If truth and reality were on your side, you wouldn't have to lie like ya do.
"Dr. Anthony Fauci knew about U.S. funding for the gain of function research occurring at the Wuhan lab in China but downplayed its role in the COVID-19 pandemic, new emails show. Fauci recently denied that specific research was used by the overseas Virology Institute or funded by him.
Emails Show Fauci Downplayed Funding Gain Of Function Research At Wuhan Lab
Dr. Anthony Fauci knew about U.S. funding for the gain of function research occurring at the Wuhan lab in China but downplayed its role in the COVID-19 pandemic, new emails show.thefederalist.com
In emails acquired by Buzzfeed News, Fauci conversed with NIAID Principal Deputy Director Hugh Auchincloss in a conversation labeled “IMPORTANT” about an article detailing the gain of function research occurring in Wuhan through the Wuhan Virology Institute."
2. Here is another credible link proving my point again:
Fauci admits ‘modest’ NIH funding of Wuhan lab but denies ‘gain of function’
The country’s top infectious disease expert has long pushed back on the notion the US funded research that made coronaviruses more lethal or transmissible.nypost.com
Your unsubstantiated lies are obvious, as well as childish. Thanks for playing kid.
The voluntary moratorium on gain-of-function research related to the transmissibility of highly pathogenic H5N1 influenza virus should continue, pending the resolution of critical policy questions concerning the rationale for performing such experiments and how best to report their results.... the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, a component of the U.S. National Institutes of Health, strongly supports the continuation of this moratorium pending the resolution of critical policy issues related to the rationale for performing and reporting such experiments.
"1. Your Lie#1, my point was refuted by my own links. Here is a link proving my point, NIH funded GOF research:"
Do you ever stop lying? Ever???
Your lie was claiming the NIH paid the Wuhan lab to conduct gain-of-function research and every link you posted stated there was uncertainty if the Wuhan lab did that. So exactly how brain-damaged are you to claim the NIH paid for something which isn't even confirmed to exist??
1. H5N1 is the avian flu or "bird flu" of 1997, not Covid, duh.
2. Your claiming "uncertainty" is way overblown. The link said LIKELY, meaning probably. Just because something isn't confirmed does not mean its false, duh.
3. Its your turn to prove that Covid-19 came from the Wuhan "wet market". If it wasn't engineered in the Wuhan Lab, as paid for by Fauci, then it must have occurred naturally. Please prove that with credible and current links, not the old links from the deep state's cover story. I have current links saying the opposite, duh.
Coronavirus DID leak from Wuhan lab: increasing numbers of experts say
A respected author and China expert has said evidence has emerged suggesting the coronavirus must have leaked from a Wuhan laboratory.www.dailymail.co.uk
Did the coronavirus escape from a Chinese lab? Here's what we know
Experts say animal-to-human transmission is far more likely, but some circumstantial evidence suggests it's possible it was accidentally released by a lab.www.nbcnews.com
I never said Swine Flu is covid. Who knows what I said that triggered that misfiring in your head?
And "likely" is still not certainly, which you continue to claim despite every link you've posted showing you're wrong.
While speaking to co-host Bill Hemmer, Paul elaborated on his allegation and claimed that Dr. Shi Zhengli, the Wuhan-based ‘bat woman’ virologist who researched coronavirus variants in animals, wrote a paper that MIT scientists surmised was referencing gain-of-function research (making pathogens deadlier or more easily transmissible).
Rand Paul: Dr. Fauci lied to Congress about Wuhan lab research funding
Senator Rand Paul, R-Ky., claimed that Dr, Fauci lied to Congress when he denied that the National Institute of Health was funding research at the controversial Wuhan lab, which some allege was the source of the COVID outbreak.
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Paul claims that the paper acknowledged that their funding came from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease (NIAID), a subset of the NIH where Dr. Fauci is the director.
Paul added that he has looked at the grant application for the Wuhan lab research, which he says also references gain-of-function research, based on the analysis of a Rutgers cellular biologist.
You're such a dumbfuck.
Nothing in that article states covid was the result of gain-of-function research. The claim in that article is Rand Paul accusing the NIH if funding gain-of-function research ... Fauci denying funding was for gain-of-function research ... and then Paul accusing Fauci of lying.
You're still batting 0.000.
You must be illiterate. Here is the fucking sentence you don't comprehend:
"Paul added that he has looked at the grant application for the Wuhan lab research, which he says also references gain-of-function research, based on the analysis of a Rutgers cellular biologist."
...that does say coronavirus virus was the result of gain-of-function research. Even worse for you, read your own fucking link...
"We can’t prove the virus came from the lab." ~ Rand Paul
2. Rand Paul can't prove the virus came from the lab, so what? That's why we need a thorough investigation
3. The virus did NOT come from the "wet market" as the cover story claimed, the specific bats are only found 900 miles from Wuhan, so they had to be brought to the lab for GOF research.
Not even your own links agreed with you that covid was the result of gain-of-function research.
Read post 1351.
See how it is to read unproven posts. Rand Paul proved Fauci paid for GOF research at Wuhan.
Enhanced Covid escaped containment at Wuhan. QED.
There is no other scientific explanation.
You can prove it didn't come from Fauci's gain-of-function research? Didn't think so.
Fauci's idiotic GOF research killed 600,000 Americans.
2. Covid-19 did NOT occur naturally, there is no link from bats to humans
3. The fact that Rand Paul can't "prove" covid came from the lab only proves that China is blocking the investigation. So where did it come from, and why did it start in Wuhan?
4. You "prove" where covid came from if not from Fauci's GOF research. You can't prove anything either.
5. You didn't comment on post 1,351, why not?
Nope. Not proven by anyone!!! Fake news.
Did Fauci Fund ‘Gain of Function’ Research, Thereby Causing Pandemic?
Statements made by Fox News host Tucker Carlson furthered theories that a manipulated virus spilled over from a lab in Wuhan, China.
www.snopes.com
So Fauci is lying when he says that covid was produced in the lab. Excellent keep up the good workLOLOLOL1. Agreed that covid-19 was the result of gain-of-function research at the Wuhan LabLOLLOLOLOLThere is no disagreement. Read every word. There is no uncertainty in this article. You're welcome.It trumps nothing. You're literally claiming it was engineered via gain-of-function research when even your own links disagree with you.If Covid-19 most LIKELY was engineered in the Wuhan Lab, that Trumps the UNLIKELY event that it came from the Wuhan wet market, duh.LOLOMG, you are way out of your lane.Actually, Fauci played both sides of the argument...1. Your Lie#1, my point was refuted by my own links. Here is a link proving my point, NIH funded GOF research:"my post stands as correct. 1) NIH funded gain of function research"1. Your post has no content, just lies.LOLClearly you can't debate. You obfuscate. Maybe you know you are fighting the truth, so obfuscation is all you can do.You really can't stop posting bullshit, can ya, con?1. Yes there is evidence that Fauci paid China to do gain of function research. There are tons of credible sites.True, that would be a lie if Fauci actually knew the figure was $826K, but I have no evidence of that either. And your question about support paying China to do "gain of function" research is based on your falsehood that we paid China for gain-of-function research. That's never been proven either.Fauci is a liar. Rand is calling him a liar. The paper trail confirms that Fauci is lying. Do you support paying China to do "gain of function" research to make bat viruses more deadly? I don't.
Fauci claims US gave $600,000 to Wuhan lab research; documents show it was more
In a Senate hearing late last month, top doctor Anthony Fauci told lawmakers the U.S. granted $600,000 in funding to the Wuhan Institute of Virology over a five year period, but documents provided by the Department of Health and Human Services Friday show otherwise.
But seeing as how you can't stop yourself from lying, I can't wholly state I expect anything different from you.
Why US outsourced bat virus research to Wuhan - Asia Times
The US National Institutes of Health (NIH) funded bat-coronavirus research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China to the tune of US$3.7 million, aThere are a lot of unknowns, speculation and differences of opinion on these topics. But let’s start with what we do know: In 2014, the NIH awarded a grant to the U.S.-based EcoHealth Alliance to study the risk of the future emergence of coronaviruses from bats. In 2019, the project was renewed for another five years, but it was canceled in April 2020 — three months after the first case of the coronavirus was confirmed in the U.S.The Wuhan Lab and the Gain-of-Function Disagreement - FactCheck.org
A disagreement between Republican Sen. Rand Paul and Dr. Anthony Fauci has put $600,000 of U.S. grant money to the Wuhan Institute of Virology back into the spotlight, while making "gain-of-function" research a household term -- all amid calls for more investigation into the origins of SARS-CoV-2.
EcoHealth ultimately received $3.7 million over six years from the NIH and distributed nearly $600,000 of that total to China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology, a collaborator on the project, pre-approved by NIH.
The grant cancellation came at a time when then-President Donald Trump and others questioned the U.S. funding to a lab in Wuhan, while exaggerating the amount of federal money involved.
2. QED. You can't deny the funding.
3. My suspicion is that Dr Fauci's irresponsible research is what killed 600,000 Americans. Covid did not come directly from bats, it was enhanced via gain of function research. It will be proven.
I only got as far as this lie....
The US National Institutes of Health (NIH) funded bat-coronavirus research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China to the tune of US$3.7 million, a recent article in the British newspaper Daily Mail revealed.
You've now posted 2 articles on this.... one stating the NIH gave the Wuhan $826K, the other stating the NIH gave the Wuhan lab $3.7 million.
Clearly, they can't both be true. So clearly, you're posting fake news again.
So do you ever stop lying?
Ever???
This is exactly the reason you have zero cred. You say abortion is murder... then you say abortion is not murder. You say you're not pro-choice... then you say you are pro-choice. Now you say the NIH gave the Wuhan lab $826K... then you say the NIH gave the Wuhan lab $3.7 million.
You keep relying on fake news -- you keep on embarrassing yourself.
I'm retired, I have all day to post the truth.
1. NIH funded gain of function research at the Wuhan Lab to make bat viruses more deadly, the funding came from several US agencies, thru intermediaries, to cover their asses. So don't whine about the amounts and from whom.
2. The virus got out and killed 600,000 Americans, as well as hurt the US economy, and President Trump's termUS officials may have avoided the coronavirus lab-leak theory to avoid associations with controversial gain-of-function research
The US has funded labs that alter coronaviruses for research. That may have led officials to avoid investigating whether the virus leaked from a lab.
3. Do you ever debate with facts? Ever??
4. In the US is abortion murder, y/n? So stop your stupid grade school arguments or you lose the debate, and that's all I'll put in future replies.
5. Your empty posts show how vapid your grade school arguments are.
You literally posted two different articles that contradicted each other but you project I'm the one obfuscating.
Your lies and nuttiness aside, you claim...
"NIH funded gain of function research at the Wuhan Lab to make bat viruses more deadly"
... but then you post an article that shows you're lying...
Scientists haven't ruled out the possibility that the coronavirus leaked from a lab.
... which means your claims haven't been proven to be true.
I don't even have to debate you. Your own articles do that for me.
2. Your post is contradictory, my post stands as correct. 1) NIH funded gain of function research, and 2) there is a possibility that the (deadlier) virus leaked from the lab.
3. My claims, as supported by Sen Rand Paul as well as many scientists are valid. The US paid for gain of function research, the virus then escaped from the Wuhan Lab.
4. You can't obfuscate when the truth is staring you in the face. All you have are lies and deflection.
Like I said, I have all day to keep re-posting the truth and disproving your childish unsubstantiated obfuscations.
You're still lying (surprise, surprise). Your point was refuted by your own links.
Again, your own links didn't say that. Your own links state that hasn't been confirmed.
If truth and reality were on your side, you wouldn't have to lie like ya do.
"Dr. Anthony Fauci knew about U.S. funding for the gain of function research occurring at the Wuhan lab in China but downplayed its role in the COVID-19 pandemic, new emails show. Fauci recently denied that specific research was used by the overseas Virology Institute or funded by him.Emails Show Fauci Downplayed Funding Gain Of Function Research At Wuhan Lab
Dr. Anthony Fauci knew about U.S. funding for the gain of function research occurring at the Wuhan lab in China but downplayed its role in the COVID-19 pandemic, new emails show.
In emails acquired by Buzzfeed News, Fauci conversed with NIAID Principal Deputy Director Hugh Auchincloss in a conversation labeled “IMPORTANT” about an article detailing the gain of function research occurring in Wuhan through the Wuhan Virology Institute."
2. Here is another credible link proving my point again:
Fauci admits ‘modest’ NIH funding of Wuhan lab but denies ‘gain of function’
The country’s top infectious disease expert has long pushed back on the notion the US funded research that made coronaviruses more lethal or transmissible.
Your unsubstantiated lies are obvious, as well as childish. Thanks for playing kid.
The voluntary moratorium on gain-of-function research related to the transmissibility of highly pathogenic H5N1 influenza virus should continue, pending the resolution of critical policy questions concerning the rationale for performing such experiments and how best to report their results.... the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, a component of the U.S. National Institutes of Health, strongly supports the continuation of this moratorium pending the resolution of critical policy issues related to the rationale for performing and reporting such experiments.
"1. Your Lie#1, my point was refuted by my own links. Here is a link proving my point, NIH funded GOF research:"
Do you ever stop lying? Ever???
Your lie was claiming the NIH paid the Wuhan lab to conduct gain-of-function research and every link you posted stated there was uncertainty if the Wuhan lab did that. So exactly how brain-damaged are you to claim the NIH paid for something which isn't even confirmed to exist??
1. H5N1 is the avian flu or "bird flu" of 1997, not Covid, duh.
2. Your claiming "uncertainty" is way overblown. The link said LIKELY, meaning probably. Just because something isn't confirmed does not mean its false, duh.
3. Its your turn to prove that Covid-19 came from the Wuhan "wet market". If it wasn't engineered in the Wuhan Lab, as paid for by Fauci, then it must have occurred naturally. Please prove that with credible and current links, not the old links from the deep state's cover story. I have current links saying the opposite, duh.
Coronavirus DID leak from Wuhan lab: increasing numbers of experts say
A respected author and China expert has said evidence has emerged suggesting the coronavirus must have leaked from a Wuhan laboratory.Did the coronavirus escape from a Chinese lab? Here's what we know
Experts say animal-to-human transmission is far more likely, but some circumstantial evidence suggests it's possible it was accidentally released by a lab.
I never said Swine Flu is covid. Who knows what I said that triggered that misfiring in your head?
And "likely" is still not certainly, which you continue to claim despite every link you've posted showing you're wrong.
While speaking to co-host Bill Hemmer, Paul elaborated on his allegation and claimed that Dr. Shi Zhengli, the Wuhan-based ‘bat woman’ virologist who researched coronavirus variants in animals, wrote a paper that MIT scientists surmised was referencing gain-of-function research (making pathogens deadlier or more easily transmissible).Rand Paul: Dr. Fauci lied to Congress about Wuhan lab research funding
Senator Rand Paul, R-Ky., claimed that Dr, Fauci lied to Congress when he denied that the National Institute of Health was funding research at the controversial Wuhan lab, which some allege was the source of the COVID outbreak.
Paul claims that the paper acknowledged that their funding came from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease (NIAID), a subset of the NIH where Dr. Fauci is the director.
Paul added that he has looked at the grant application for the Wuhan lab research, which he says also references gain-of-function research, based on the analysis of a Rutgers cellular biologist.
You're such a dumbfuck.
Nothing in that article states covid was the result of gain-of-function research. The claim in that article is Rand Paul accusing the NIH if funding gain-of-function research ... Fauci denying funding was for gain-of-function research ... and then Paul accusing Fauci of lying.
You're still batting 0.000.
You must be illiterate. Here is the fucking sentence you don't comprehend:
"Paul added that he has looked at the grant application for the Wuhan lab research, which he says also references gain-of-function research, based on the analysis of a Rutgers cellular biologist."
...that does say coronavirus virus was the result of gain-of-function research. Even worse for you, read your own fucking link...
"We can’t prove the virus came from the lab." ~ Rand Paul
2. Rand Paul can't prove the virus came from the lab, so what? That's why we need a thorough investigation
3. The virus did NOT come from the "wet market" as the cover story claimed, the specific bats are only found 900 miles from Wuhan, so they had to be brought to the lab for GOF research.
Not even your own links agreed with you that covid was the result of gain-of-function research.
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Nope. I said Trump condemned white supremacists. You then lied and falsely claimed I said Trump called white supremacists "very fine people."You lied about what I said. What a pity you're not man enough to own your lie.You played silly word games to support a poisonous and divisive lie.You lied about what I said. What a pity you're not man enough to own your lie.You lied about what I said. What a pity you're not man enough to own your lie.You said nonsense to stonewall in support of the lie.You lied about what I said. What a pity you're not man enough to own your lie.Nope, you're the liar. Provable.You people are the liars, not me, not us.
My point regarding the 1/6 riot is the same as it has always been. It was violent riot, but those who broke the law still have a right to equal protection of the law, which means that being singled out for extra aggressive investigation and prosecution is a violation of their rights.
Any of them that end up in jail, will thus be political prisoners.
YOu people are scum of the earth.
I said Trump condemned white supremacists and then you lied, falsely claiming I said he called them very fine people.
You said nonsense to stonewall in support of the lie.
My point regarding the 1/6 riot is the same as it has always been. It was violent riot, but those who broke the law still have a right to equal protection of the law, which means that being singled out for extra aggressive investigation and prosecution is a violation of their rights.
Any of them that end up in jail, will thus be political prisoners.
YOu people are scum of the earth.
My point regarding the 1/6 riot is the same as it has always been. It was violent riot, but those who broke the law still have a right to equal protection of the law, which means that being singled out for extra aggressive investigation and prosecution is a violation of their rights.
Any of them that end up in jail, will thus be political prisoners.
YOu people are scum of the earth.
You played silly word games to support a poisonous and divisive lie.
My point regarding the 1/6 riot is the same as it has always been. It was violent riot, but those who broke the law still have a right to equal protection of the law, which means that being singled out for extra aggressive investigation and prosecution is a violation of their rights.
Any of them that end up in jail, will thus be political prisoners.
YOu people are scum of the earth.
My point regarding the 1/6 riot is the same as it has always been. It was violent riot, but those who broke the law still have a right to equal protection of the law, which means that being singled out for extra aggressive investigation and prosecution is a violation of their rights.
Any of them that end up in jail, will thus be political prisoners.
YOu people are scum of the earth.
You played silly word games to support a poisonous and divisive lie.
My point regarding the 1/6 riot is the same as it has always been. It was violent riot, but those who broke the law still have a right to equal protection of the law, which means that being singled out for extra aggressive investigation and prosecution is a violation of their rights.
Any of them that end up in jail, will thus be political prisoners.
YOu people are scum of the earth.
You lied because you're a liar. That reflects how weak your position is.
Nope. I said Trump condemned white supremacists. You then lied and falsely claimed I said Trump called white supremacists "very fine people."You lied about what I said. What a pity you're not man enough to own your lie.You played silly word games to support a poisonous and divisive lie.You lied about what I said. What a pity you're not man enough to own your lie.You lied about what I said. What a pity you're not man enough to own your lie.You said nonsense to stonewall in support of the lie.You lied about what I said. What a pity you're not man enough to own your lie.Nope, you're the liar. Provable.You people are the liars, not me, not us.
My point regarding the 1/6 riot is the same as it has always been. It was violent riot, but those who broke the law still have a right to equal protection of the law, which means that being singled out for extra aggressive investigation and prosecution is a violation of their rights.
Any of them that end up in jail, will thus be political prisoners.
YOu people are scum of the earth.
I said Trump condemned white supremacists and then you lied, falsely claiming I said he called them very fine people.
You said nonsense to stonewall in support of the lie.
My point regarding the 1/6 riot is the same as it has always been. It was violent riot, but those who broke the law still have a right to equal protection of the law, which means that being singled out for extra aggressive investigation and prosecution is a violation of their rights.
Any of them that end up in jail, will thus be political prisoners.
YOu people are scum of the earth.
My point regarding the 1/6 riot is the same as it has always been. It was violent riot, but those who broke the law still have a right to equal protection of the law, which means that being singled out for extra aggressive investigation and prosecution is a violation of their rights.
Any of them that end up in jail, will thus be political prisoners.
YOu people are scum of the earth.
You played silly word games to support a poisonous and divisive lie.
My point regarding the 1/6 riot is the same as it has always been. It was violent riot, but those who broke the law still have a right to equal protection of the law, which means that being singled out for extra aggressive investigation and prosecution is a violation of their rights.
Any of them that end up in jail, will thus be political prisoners.
YOu people are scum of the earth.
My point regarding the 1/6 riot is the same as it has always been. It was violent riot, but those who broke the law still have a right to equal protection of the law, which means that being singled out for extra aggressive investigation and prosecution is a violation of their rights.
Any of them that end up in jail, will thus be political prisoners.
YOu people are scum of the earth.
You played silly word games to support a poisonous and divisive lie.
My point regarding the 1/6 riot is the same as it has always been. It was violent riot, but those who broke the law still have a right to equal protection of the law, which means that being singled out for extra aggressive investigation and prosecution is a violation of their rights.
Any of them that end up in jail, will thus be political prisoners.
YOu people are scum of the earth.
You lied because you're a liar. That reflects how weak your position is.
You played silly word games to support a poisonous and divisive lie.
My point regarding the 1/6 riot is the same as it has always been. It was violent riot, but those who broke the law still have a right to equal protection of the law, which means that being singled out for extra aggressive investigation and prosecution is a violation of their rights.
Any of them that end up in jail, will thus be political prisoners.
YOu people are scum of the earth.
No one cares what you said, the sooner that you accept that you are no one and nothing the sooner you will be able to pay the rent on your trailerNope. I said Trump condemned white supremacists. You then lied and falsely claimed I said Trump called white supremacists "very fine people."You lied about what I said. What a pity you're not man enough to own your lie.You played silly word games to support a poisonous and divisive lie.You lied about what I said. What a pity you're not man enough to own your lie.You lied about what I said. What a pity you're not man enough to own your lie.You said nonsense to stonewall in support of the lie.You lied about what I said. What a pity you're not man enough to own your lie.Nope, you're the liar. Provable.You people are the liars, not me, not us.
My point regarding the 1/6 riot is the same as it has always been. It was violent riot, but those who broke the law still have a right to equal protection of the law, which means that being singled out for extra aggressive investigation and prosecution is a violation of their rights.
Any of them that end up in jail, will thus be political prisoners.
YOu people are scum of the earth.
I said Trump condemned white supremacists and then you lied, falsely claiming I said he called them very fine people.
You said nonsense to stonewall in support of the lie.
My point regarding the 1/6 riot is the same as it has always been. It was violent riot, but those who broke the law still have a right to equal protection of the law, which means that being singled out for extra aggressive investigation and prosecution is a violation of their rights.
Any of them that end up in jail, will thus be political prisoners.
YOu people are scum of the earth.
My point regarding the 1/6 riot is the same as it has always been. It was violent riot, but those who broke the law still have a right to equal protection of the law, which means that being singled out for extra aggressive investigation and prosecution is a violation of their rights.
Any of them that end up in jail, will thus be political prisoners.
YOu people are scum of the earth.
You played silly word games to support a poisonous and divisive lie.
My point regarding the 1/6 riot is the same as it has always been. It was violent riot, but those who broke the law still have a right to equal protection of the law, which means that being singled out for extra aggressive investigation and prosecution is a violation of their rights.
Any of them that end up in jail, will thus be political prisoners.
YOu people are scum of the earth.
My point regarding the 1/6 riot is the same as it has always been. It was violent riot, but those who broke the law still have a right to equal protection of the law, which means that being singled out for extra aggressive investigation and prosecution is a violation of their rights.
Any of them that end up in jail, will thus be political prisoners.
YOu people are scum of the earth.
You played silly word games to support a poisonous and divisive lie.
My point regarding the 1/6 riot is the same as it has always been. It was violent riot, but those who broke the law still have a right to equal protection of the law, which means that being singled out for extra aggressive investigation and prosecution is a violation of their rights.
Any of them that end up in jail, will thus be political prisoners.
YOu people are scum of the earth.
You lied because you're a liar. That reflects how weak your position is.
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You're lying again. You should stop.1. Rand Paul nailed Fauci's ass to the wall proving the US paid China for GOF research. A really stupid idea by Fauci.The one lying is you as evidenced by your own links which highlight the fact that it's not been proven that covid is the result of gain-of-function research. And I don't have to prove shit about Fauci. I'm not the one making false claims -- you are. You're the one claiming that covid is the result of gain-of-function research even though your own links don't say that.Keep lying. That's all you know how to do.LOLOLOL1. Agreed that covid-19 was the result of gain-of-function research at the Wuhan LabLOLLOLOLOLThere is no disagreement. Read every word. There is no uncertainty in this article. You're welcome.It trumps nothing. You're literally claiming it was engineered via gain-of-function research when even your own links disagree with you.If Covid-19 most LIKELY was engineered in the Wuhan Lab, that Trumps the UNLIKELY event that it came from the Wuhan wet market, duh.LOLOMG, you are way out of your lane.Actually, Fauci played both sides of the argument...1. Your Lie#1, my point was refuted by my own links. Here is a link proving my point, NIH funded GOF research:"my post stands as correct. 1) NIH funded gain of function research"1. Your post has no content, just lies.LOLClearly you can't debate. You obfuscate. Maybe you know you are fighting the truth, so obfuscation is all you can do.You really can't stop posting bullshit, can ya, con?1. Yes there is evidence that Fauci paid China to do gain of function research. There are tons of credible sites.True, that would be a lie if Fauci actually knew the figure was $826K, but I have no evidence of that either. And your question about support paying China to do "gain of function" research is based on your falsehood that we paid China for gain-of-function research. That's never been proven either.Fauci is a liar. Rand is calling him a liar. The paper trail confirms that Fauci is lying. Do you support paying China to do "gain of function" research to make bat viruses more deadly? I don't.
Fauci claims US gave $600,000 to Wuhan lab research; documents show it was more
In a Senate hearing late last month, top doctor Anthony Fauci told lawmakers the U.S. granted $600,000 in funding to the Wuhan Institute of Virology over a five year period, but documents provided by the Department of Health and Human Services Friday show otherwise.
But seeing as how you can't stop yourself from lying, I can't wholly state I expect anything different from you.
Why US outsourced bat virus research to Wuhan - Asia Times
The US National Institutes of Health (NIH) funded bat-coronavirus research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China to the tune of US$3.7 million, aThere are a lot of unknowns, speculation and differences of opinion on these topics. But let’s start with what we do know: In 2014, the NIH awarded a grant to the U.S.-based EcoHealth Alliance to study the risk of the future emergence of coronaviruses from bats. In 2019, the project was renewed for another five years, but it was canceled in April 2020 — three months after the first case of the coronavirus was confirmed in the U.S.The Wuhan Lab and the Gain-of-Function Disagreement - FactCheck.org
A disagreement between Republican Sen. Rand Paul and Dr. Anthony Fauci has put $600,000 of U.S. grant money to the Wuhan Institute of Virology back into the spotlight, while making "gain-of-function" research a household term -- all amid calls for more investigation into the origins of SARS-CoV-2.
EcoHealth ultimately received $3.7 million over six years from the NIH and distributed nearly $600,000 of that total to China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology, a collaborator on the project, pre-approved by NIH.
The grant cancellation came at a time when then-President Donald Trump and others questioned the U.S. funding to a lab in Wuhan, while exaggerating the amount of federal money involved.
2. QED. You can't deny the funding.
3. My suspicion is that Dr Fauci's irresponsible research is what killed 600,000 Americans. Covid did not come directly from bats, it was enhanced via gain of function research. It will be proven.
I only got as far as this lie....
The US National Institutes of Health (NIH) funded bat-coronavirus research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China to the tune of US$3.7 million, a recent article in the British newspaper Daily Mail revealed.
You've now posted 2 articles on this.... one stating the NIH gave the Wuhan $826K, the other stating the NIH gave the Wuhan lab $3.7 million.
Clearly, they can't both be true. So clearly, you're posting fake news again.
So do you ever stop lying?
Ever???
This is exactly the reason you have zero cred. You say abortion is murder... then you say abortion is not murder. You say you're not pro-choice... then you say you are pro-choice. Now you say the NIH gave the Wuhan lab $826K... then you say the NIH gave the Wuhan lab $3.7 million.
You keep relying on fake news -- you keep on embarrassing yourself.
I'm retired, I have all day to post the truth.
1. NIH funded gain of function research at the Wuhan Lab to make bat viruses more deadly, the funding came from several US agencies, thru intermediaries, to cover their asses. So don't whine about the amounts and from whom.
2. The virus got out and killed 600,000 Americans, as well as hurt the US economy, and President Trump's termUS officials may have avoided the coronavirus lab-leak theory to avoid associations with controversial gain-of-function research
The US has funded labs that alter coronaviruses for research. That may have led officials to avoid investigating whether the virus leaked from a lab.
3. Do you ever debate with facts? Ever??
4. In the US is abortion murder, y/n? So stop your stupid grade school arguments or you lose the debate, and that's all I'll put in future replies.
5. Your empty posts show how vapid your grade school arguments are.
You literally posted two different articles that contradicted each other but you project I'm the one obfuscating.
Your lies and nuttiness aside, you claim...
"NIH funded gain of function research at the Wuhan Lab to make bat viruses more deadly"
... but then you post an article that shows you're lying...
Scientists haven't ruled out the possibility that the coronavirus leaked from a lab.
... which means your claims haven't been proven to be true.
I don't even have to debate you. Your own articles do that for me.
2. Your post is contradictory, my post stands as correct. 1) NIH funded gain of function research, and 2) there is a possibility that the (deadlier) virus leaked from the lab.
3. My claims, as supported by Sen Rand Paul as well as many scientists are valid. The US paid for gain of function research, the virus then escaped from the Wuhan Lab.
4. You can't obfuscate when the truth is staring you in the face. All you have are lies and deflection.
Like I said, I have all day to keep re-posting the truth and disproving your childish unsubstantiated obfuscations.
You're still lying (surprise, surprise). Your point was refuted by your own links.
Again, your own links didn't say that. Your own links state that hasn't been confirmed.
If truth and reality were on your side, you wouldn't have to lie like ya do.
"Dr. Anthony Fauci knew about U.S. funding for the gain of function research occurring at the Wuhan lab in China but downplayed its role in the COVID-19 pandemic, new emails show. Fauci recently denied that specific research was used by the overseas Virology Institute or funded by him.Emails Show Fauci Downplayed Funding Gain Of Function Research At Wuhan Lab
Dr. Anthony Fauci knew about U.S. funding for the gain of function research occurring at the Wuhan lab in China but downplayed its role in the COVID-19 pandemic, new emails show.
In emails acquired by Buzzfeed News, Fauci conversed with NIAID Principal Deputy Director Hugh Auchincloss in a conversation labeled “IMPORTANT” about an article detailing the gain of function research occurring in Wuhan through the Wuhan Virology Institute."
2. Here is another credible link proving my point again:
Fauci admits ‘modest’ NIH funding of Wuhan lab but denies ‘gain of function’
The country’s top infectious disease expert has long pushed back on the notion the US funded research that made coronaviruses more lethal or transmissible.
Your unsubstantiated lies are obvious, as well as childish. Thanks for playing kid.
The voluntary moratorium on gain-of-function research related to the transmissibility of highly pathogenic H5N1 influenza virus should continue, pending the resolution of critical policy questions concerning the rationale for performing such experiments and how best to report their results.... the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, a component of the U.S. National Institutes of Health, strongly supports the continuation of this moratorium pending the resolution of critical policy issues related to the rationale for performing and reporting such experiments.
"1. Your Lie#1, my point was refuted by my own links. Here is a link proving my point, NIH funded GOF research:"
Do you ever stop lying? Ever???
Your lie was claiming the NIH paid the Wuhan lab to conduct gain-of-function research and every link you posted stated there was uncertainty if the Wuhan lab did that. So exactly how brain-damaged are you to claim the NIH paid for something which isn't even confirmed to exist??
1. H5N1 is the avian flu or "bird flu" of 1997, not Covid, duh.
2. Your claiming "uncertainty" is way overblown. The link said LIKELY, meaning probably. Just because something isn't confirmed does not mean its false, duh.
3. Its your turn to prove that Covid-19 came from the Wuhan "wet market". If it wasn't engineered in the Wuhan Lab, as paid for by Fauci, then it must have occurred naturally. Please prove that with credible and current links, not the old links from the deep state's cover story. I have current links saying the opposite, duh.
Coronavirus DID leak from Wuhan lab: increasing numbers of experts say
A respected author and China expert has said evidence has emerged suggesting the coronavirus must have leaked from a Wuhan laboratory.Did the coronavirus escape from a Chinese lab? Here's what we know
Experts say animal-to-human transmission is far more likely, but some circumstantial evidence suggests it's possible it was accidentally released by a lab.
I never said Swine Flu is covid. Who knows what I said that triggered that misfiring in your head?
And "likely" is still not certainly, which you continue to claim despite every link you've posted showing you're wrong.
While speaking to co-host Bill Hemmer, Paul elaborated on his allegation and claimed that Dr. Shi Zhengli, the Wuhan-based ‘bat woman’ virologist who researched coronavirus variants in animals, wrote a paper that MIT scientists surmised was referencing gain-of-function research (making pathogens deadlier or more easily transmissible).Rand Paul: Dr. Fauci lied to Congress about Wuhan lab research funding
Senator Rand Paul, R-Ky., claimed that Dr, Fauci lied to Congress when he denied that the National Institute of Health was funding research at the controversial Wuhan lab, which some allege was the source of the COVID outbreak.
Paul claims that the paper acknowledged that their funding came from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease (NIAID), a subset of the NIH where Dr. Fauci is the director.
Paul added that he has looked at the grant application for the Wuhan lab research, which he says also references gain-of-function research, based on the analysis of a Rutgers cellular biologist.
You're such a dumbfuck.
Nothing in that article states covid was the result of gain-of-function research. The claim in that article is Rand Paul accusing the NIH if funding gain-of-function research ... Fauci denying funding was for gain-of-function research ... and then Paul accusing Fauci of lying.
You're still batting 0.000.
You must be illiterate. Here is the fucking sentence you don't comprehend:
"Paul added that he has looked at the grant application for the Wuhan lab research, which he says also references gain-of-function research, based on the analysis of a Rutgers cellular biologist."
...that does say coronavirus virus was the result of gain-of-function research. Even worse for you, read your own fucking link...
"We can’t prove the virus came from the lab." ~ Rand Paul
2. Rand Paul can't prove the virus came from the lab, so what? That's why we need a thorough investigation
3. The virus did NOT come from the "wet market" as the cover story claimed, the specific bats are only found 900 miles from Wuhan, so they had to be brought to the lab for GOF research.
Not even your own links agreed with you that covid was the result of gain-of-function research.
Read post 1351.
See how it is to read unproven posts. Rand Paul proved Fauci paid for GOF research at Wuhan.
Enhanced Covid escaped containment at Wuhan. QED.
There is no other scientific explanation.
You can prove it didn't come from Fauci's gain-of-function research? Didn't think so.
Fauci's idiotic GOF research killed 600,000 Americans.
2. Covid-19 did NOT occur naturally, there is no link from bats to humans
3. The fact that Rand Paul can't "prove" covid came from the lab only proves that China is blocking the investigation. So where did it come from, and why did it start in Wuhan?
4. You "prove" where covid came from if not from Fauci's GOF research. You can't prove anything either.
5. You didn't comment on post 1,351, why not?
Rand Paul proved no such thing. Rand Paul couldn't prove we paid for gain-of-function research since it's not been proven covid came as a result of gain-of-function research.
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What are those things? Like $600 per month and federal assistance is Still needed?No one cares what you said, the sooner that you accept that you are no one and nothing the sooner you will be able to pay the rent on your trailerNope. I said Trump condemned white supremacists. You then lied and falsely claimed I said Trump called white supremacists "very fine people."You lied about what I said. What a pity you're not man enough to own your lie.You played silly word games to support a poisonous and divisive lie.You lied about what I said. What a pity you're not man enough to own your lie.You lied about what I said. What a pity you're not man enough to own your lie.You said nonsense to stonewall in support of the lie.You lied about what I said. What a pity you're not man enough to own your lie.Nope, you're the liar. Provable.You people are the liars, not me, not us.
My point regarding the 1/6 riot is the same as it has always been. It was violent riot, but those who broke the law still have a right to equal protection of the law, which means that being singled out for extra aggressive investigation and prosecution is a violation of their rights.
Any of them that end up in jail, will thus be political prisoners.
YOu people are scum of the earth.
I said Trump condemned white supremacists and then you lied, falsely claiming I said he called them very fine people.
You said nonsense to stonewall in support of the lie.
My point regarding the 1/6 riot is the same as it has always been. It was violent riot, but those who broke the law still have a right to equal protection of the law, which means that being singled out for extra aggressive investigation and prosecution is a violation of their rights.
Any of them that end up in jail, will thus be political prisoners.
YOu people are scum of the earth.
My point regarding the 1/6 riot is the same as it has always been. It was violent riot, but those who broke the law still have a right to equal protection of the law, which means that being singled out for extra aggressive investigation and prosecution is a violation of their rights.
Any of them that end up in jail, will thus be political prisoners.
YOu people are scum of the earth.
You played silly word games to support a poisonous and divisive lie.
My point regarding the 1/6 riot is the same as it has always been. It was violent riot, but those who broke the law still have a right to equal protection of the law, which means that being singled out for extra aggressive investigation and prosecution is a violation of their rights.
Any of them that end up in jail, will thus be political prisoners.
YOu people are scum of the earth.
My point regarding the 1/6 riot is the same as it has always been. It was violent riot, but those who broke the law still have a right to equal protection of the law, which means that being singled out for extra aggressive investigation and prosecution is a violation of their rights.
Any of them that end up in jail, will thus be political prisoners.
YOu people are scum of the earth.
You played silly word games to support a poisonous and divisive lie.
My point regarding the 1/6 riot is the same as it has always been. It was violent riot, but those who broke the law still have a right to equal protection of the law, which means that being singled out for extra aggressive investigation and prosecution is a violation of their rights.
Any of them that end up in jail, will thus be political prisoners.
YOu people are scum of the earth.
You lied because you're a liar. That reflects how weak your position is.
Faun
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kyzr is a liar who just can't stop lying. Even though his own links fail to echo his claims, he still makes them.Nope. Not proven by anyone!!! Fake news.
Did Fauci Fund ‘Gain of Function’ Research, Thereby Causing Pandemic?
Statements made by Fox News host Tucker Carlson furthered theories that a manipulated virus spilled over from a lab in Wuhan, China.
kyzr
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Its not that I dislike both conclusions when they disagree with me, its that they did NOT specify what the disputed facts are, two "dodges", that's PATHETIC.Gosh, that’s awfully convenient that you like their conclusions when they agree with you but dislike them when they disagree with you. I take that back it’s not convenient, it’s pathetic.I truncated the verdicts to "just enough" to show that the historians disagreed with Hanna-Jones' version of history.Except it isn't. Parts of it were inaccurate, yes, but that doesn't mean curriculum based on it has to be wrong. Also, why did you truncate the "verdicts" ?The 1619 Project is a joke, fake history, and just fucking wrong. But you're welcome to believe it as true, this is America, you can say or think or write whatever you want. Unless the hi-tech oligarchs censor you...Some disputed inaccuracies does not invalidate the idea or the project.1. If you actually read the link you posted you'd see that the 1619 Project is fake history.1. Because it is already being called one. That isn't going to change. Plenty of things have been called an insurrection where people weren't charged with insurrection. Again, would you prefer failed coup? Failed rebellion? Failed takeover of the government (also known as insurrection)?1. LOL!! Do you actually read what you post? If no one is charged with insurrection, how can it be called an insurrection? Its like calling a drunk a heroin addict, the shoe just doesn't fit. If its called an insurrection in history books its fake history, like the 1619 Project.
1. The fact that none have been charged and may not be charged with insurrection does not in any way, shape or form, change the fact that history will record it as a failed insurrection.1. I don't care if/when anyone has ever been charged with insurrection, its totally irrelevant.1. You did not answer the question. When has anyone been charged with insurrection? Insurrection is what it is being called now and what it will be called in the future. I know you don't like the fact, but that does not change it being a fact.
1. You get charged with insurrection when there is a case for insurrection. Democrat talking points are soon forgotten, like right after the 2022 and 2024 elections. History can't call it an insurrection if no one is charged with insurrection, by definition, look at the charges, not talking points.
2. Bailing out rioters to keep up the violence is NOT condemning the violence. Democrats
3. Clyburn and a few other democrats spoke up against the violence, but there were many others supporting the violence, like Kamala.
Bail fund backed by Kamala Harris freed same rioter twice – now he's been charged again
A man who was twice bailed out of jail in separate cases by a fund supported by Vice President Kamala Harris has been arrested again while under investigation for another possible case, Minnesota prosecutors said.
2. Small piece of advice...do a quick Google search before making statements.
What matters is what the 1/6 protesters are charged with, and its NOT insurrection, that's the only fact.
2. LOL! So democrats talk out both sides of their mouths. That is NOT news. Kamala also said she was already at the southern border, a lie. So Kamala condemns violence, but bails out rioters to do more burning and violence, typical hypocrite pol.
HARRIS PROMOTED GROUP THAT PUT UP BAIL FOR ALLEGED VIOLENT CRIMINALSBail fund backed by Kamala Harris freed same rioter twice – now he's been charged again
A man who was twice bailed out of jail in separate cases by a fund supported by Vice President Kamala Harris has been arrested again while under investigation for another possible case, Minnesota prosecutors said.
2. She condemned the violence. Neither she nor Biden went out and told the violent rioters that they "loved" them. Your attempt at whataboutism is a fail.
2. Ok, we can agree that some democrats condemned the BLM riots. The full Trump quote is below,
After hours of violence and chaos, Trump told his supporters to "go home" but did not condemn them. Later in the day, went even further in a follow up tweet to depict the siege as inevitable.
Trump tells his violent supporters who stormed the Capitol 'you're very special,' but asks them 'to go home'
President Donald Trump's taped message to his supporters tapped into their grievances and avoided any condemnation.
He also continued to falsely claim the presidential election was stolen.
"This was a fraudulent election, but we can't play into the hands of these people," Trump said in the video. "We have to have peace. So go home. We love you; you're very special."
Except the 1619 project isn't fake history. The things depicted in the byline happened.
Fact Checking the 1619 project and it's critics.
2. All leading Democrats. No Democrats told those rioting that they "loved" them.
a. The American Revolution was NOT fought to protect slavery. (1-0 1776 Commission)
The Verdict: The historians have a clear upper hand in disputing the portrayal of the American Revolution as an attempt to protect slavery from British-instigated abolitionism.
b. Was Abraham Lincoln a racial colonizationist or exaggerated egalitarian? (2-0 1776 Commission)
The historians’ letter contests this depiction, responding that Lincoln evolved in an egalitarian direction and pointing to his embrace of an anti-slavery constitutionalism that was also shared by Frederick Douglass. Hannah-Jones, they contend, has essentially cherry picked quotations and other examples of Lincoln’s shortcomings on racial matters and presented them out of context from his life and broader philosophical principles. Who freed the slaves? That was Abraham Lincoln.
c. Did slavery drive America’s economic growth and the emergence of American Capitalism? (3-0 1776 Commission)
The five historians directly challenged the historical accuracy of Desmond’s thesis. By presenting “supposed direct connections between slavery and modern corporate practices,” they note, the 1619 Project’s editors “have so far failed to establish any empirical veracity or reliability” of these claims “and have been seriously challenged by other historians.” The historians’ letter further chastises the Times for extending its “imprimatur and credibility” to these claims. Each of these criticisms rings true.
The Verdict: This one goes conclusively to the five historians. Echoing other critics, the historians point to serious and substantive defects with Matthew Desmond’s thesis about the economics of slavery, and with the project’s overreliance on the contested New History of Capitalism literature. By contrast, the Times has completely failed to offer a convincing response to this criticism – or really any response at all.
d. Did the 1619 Project seek adequate scholarly guidance in preparing its work? (4-0 1776 Commission)
The Verdict: The historians have a valid complaint about deficiencies of scholarly guidance for the 1619 Project’s treatment of the period between the American Revolution and the Civil War. This comparative lack of scholarly input for the years between 1775 and 1865 stands in contrast with the Times’ heavy use of scholars who specialize in more recent dimensions of race in the United States. It is worth noting that the 1619 Project has received far less pushback on its materials about the 20th century and present day – areas that are more clearly within the scholarly competencies of the named consultants.
Thank you very much for that link!
For example:
a. Hannah-Jones’s argument nonetheless contains kernels of truth that complicate the historians’ assessment, without overturning it. Included among these are instances where Britain was involved in the emancipation of slaves during the course of the war. These events must also be balanced against the fact that American independence created new opportunities for the northern states to abolish slavery within their borders. In the end, slavery’s relationship with the American Revolution was fraught with complexities that cut across the political dimensions of both sides.
You left it off entirely for b.
The Verdict: Nikole Hannah-Jones has the clear upper hand here. Her call to evaluate Lincoln’s record through problematic racial policies such as colonization reflects greater historical nuance and closer attention to the evidentiary record, including new developments in Lincoln scholarship. The historians’ counterarguments reflect a combination of outdated evidence and the construction of apocryphal exonerative narratives such as the lullaby thesis around colonization.
There is nothing wrong with exploring all parts of our history, not just the sunshine and roses part.
Replying to point "a."
British emancipation occurred in 1833. So the article is just wrong about the Revolutionary War viz slavery in the northern states, so I'm not sure what "kernels of truth" they are referring to. The "verdict" seems clear enough to me.
The Verdict: The historians have a clear upper hand in disputing the portrayal of the American Revolution as an attempt to protect slavery from British-instigated abolitionism.
The Lincoln issue was by far the most complex question. I have a hard time saying that Lincoln was a racist, he wasn't:
Was Abraham Lincoln a racial colonizationist or exaggerated egalitarian?
Lets look at those two issues separately:
1. Was Lincoln a colonizationist?
Colonizationist means should the US offer to send the freed slaves back to Africa, to Liberia? The logistics and cost of sending ~2m blacks back to Africa would be a massive cost to the US after an expensive civil war.
This table shows that in 1860 there were about 2m free+slaves in the US, 300,000 free and 1.7m slaves.
How many could fit on a ship to send back to Liberia, Africa, and how many ships would that take? Not a practical solution.
This link shows many facts about Lincoln's considerations:
"In his 3 hour speech in Peoria, Illinois , Lincoln provided his most comprehensive speech up to that date about slavery. He presented moral, legal and economic arguments against slavery. While he declared slavery morally wrong he also admitted he did not know exactly what should be done politically. He believed, and for most of his career, that colonization would provide the solution."Colonization – Abraham Lincoln Historical Society
www.abraham-lincoln-history.org
“If all earthly power were given me, I should not know what to do, as to the existing institution. My first impulse would be to free all the slaves, and send them to Liberia,–to their own native land. But a moment’s reflection would convince me, that whatever of high hope, (as I think there is) there may be in this, in the long run, its sudden execution is impossible.”
He would love to send all the freed slaves back to Liberia, but that solution is just not practical. I don't see favoring racial colonization as being racist, but as returning slaves to their homeland.
History of Liberia - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
2. Was Lincoln an exaggerated egalitarian?
Meaning: Affirming, promoting, or characterized by belief in equal political, economic, social, and civil rights for all people.
There are no facts presented to research, just their conclusions, which I disagree with.
1. Is colonization "problematic" and racist? Hell no. Its undoing slavery, returning blacks to their homeland.
2. WTF does "The historians’ counterarguments reflect a combination of outdated evidence and the construction of apocryphal exonerative narratives such as the lullaby thesis around colonization." even mean?????
I googled "lullaby thesis" and there is no such thing.
So I'm calling bullshit on the historians' and Hannah-Jones' negative take on Abraham Lincoln.
1. Do you believe that Lincoln's early support of colonization is a "problem"? I don't.
2. Can you list anything that Lincoln did that hurt ex-slaves? I can't
3. WTF does "The historians’ counterarguments reflect a combination of outdated evidence and the construction of apocryphal exonerative narratives such as the lullaby thesis around colonization." even mean????? I googled "lullaby thesis" and there is no such thing.
4. If you read the 1776 Commission Report, they quote Lincoln frequently:
"All honor to Jefferson-to the man who, in the concrete pressure of a struggle for national independence by a single people, had the coolness, forecast, and capacity to introduce into a merely revolutionary document, an abstract truth, applicable to all men and all times, and so to embalm it there, that to-day, and in all coming days, it shall be a rebuke and a stumbling-block to the very harbingers of re-appearing tyranny and oppression." Abraham Lincoln
Lincoln aptly described the American government’s fundamental principles as “a standard maxim for free society,” which should be “familiar to all, and revered by all; constantly looked to, constantly labored for, and even though never perfectly attained, constantly approximated.” But the very attempt to attain them—every attempt to attain them—would, Lincoln continued, constantly spread and deepen the influence of these principles and augment “the happiness and value of life to all people of all colors everywhere.”
In portraying America as racist and white supremacist, identity politics advocates follow Lincoln’s great rival Stephen A. Douglas, who wrongly claimed that American government “was made on the white basis” “by white men, for the benefit of white men.” Indeed, there are uncanny similarities between 21st century activists of identity politics and 19th century apologists for slavery.
As Abraham Lincoln explained, the founding generation was in no position to end this monstrous crime (slavery) in one stroke, but they did mean “to declare the right, so that the enforcement of it might follow as fast as circumstances should permit.”
kyzr is a liar who just can't stop lying. Even though his own links fail to echo his claims, he still makes them.Nope. Not proven by anyone!!! Fake news.
Did Fauci Fund ‘Gain of Function’ Research, Thereby Causing Pandemic?
Statements made by Fox News host Tucker Carlson furthered theories that a manipulated virus spilled over from a lab in Wuhan, China.
Meanwhile according to the op poll, republicans by about 4 to 1, do NOT support the attack on the capitol.
So, this idea that the couple of hundred or dozens rioters, define the GOP is a liberal lie.
you are all filthy lying whores.
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LOLOLkyzr is a liar who just can't stop lying. Even though his own links fail to echo his claims, he still makes them.Nope. Not proven by anyone!!! Fake news.
Did Fauci Fund ‘Gain of Function’ Research, Thereby Causing Pandemic?
Statements made by Fox News host Tucker Carlson furthered theories that a manipulated virus spilled over from a lab in Wuhan, China.
Meanwhile according to the op poll, republicans by about 4 to 1, do NOT support the attack on the capitol.
So, this idea that the couple of hundred or dozens rioters, define the GOP is a liberal lie.
you are all filthy lying whores.
You appear to be too stupid to comprehend just how meaningless that poll is. It's an unscientific poll on a right-leaning forum with a margin of error well into the 90's.
Faun
And yet, even with such a radical sample, the trend is clear. Republicans do NOT support the 1/6 riot.
So, why are you people pretending otherwise? DO you really need to do that, or do you just lie by reflex?
LOLOLkyzr is a liar who just can't stop lying. Even though his own links fail to echo his claims, he still makes them.Nope. Not proven by anyone!!! Fake news.
Did Fauci Fund ‘Gain of Function’ Research, Thereby Causing Pandemic?
Statements made by Fox News host Tucker Carlson furthered theories that a manipulated virus spilled over from a lab in Wuhan, China.
Meanwhile according to the op poll, republicans by about 4 to 1, do NOT support the attack on the capitol.
So, this idea that the couple of hundred or dozens rioters, define the GOP is a liberal lie.
you are all filthy lying whores.
You appear to be too stupid to comprehend just how meaningless that poll is. It's an unscientific poll on a right-leaning forum with a margin of error well into the 90's.
And yet, even with such a radical sample, the trend is clear. Republicans do NOT support the 1/6 riot.
So, why are you people pretending otherwise? DO you really need to do that, or do you just lie by reflex?
kyzr
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Nothing is "proven", NOTHINGThe one lying is you as evidenced by your own links which highlight the fact that it's not been proven that covid is the result of gain-of-function research. And I don't have to prove shit about Fauci. I'm not the one making false claims -- you are. You're the one claiming that covid is the result of gain-of-function research even though your own links don't say that.Keep lying. That's all you know how to do.LOLOLOL1. Agreed that covid-19 was the result of gain-of-function research at the Wuhan LabLOLLOLOLOLThere is no disagreement. Read every word. There is no uncertainty in this article. You're welcome.It trumps nothing. You're literally claiming it was engineered via gain-of-function research when even your own links disagree with you.If Covid-19 most LIKELY was engineered in the Wuhan Lab, that Trumps the UNLIKELY event that it came from the Wuhan wet market, duh.LOLOMG, you are way out of your lane.Actually, Fauci played both sides of the argument...1. Your Lie#1, my point was refuted by my own links. Here is a link proving my point, NIH funded GOF research:"my post stands as correct. 1) NIH funded gain of function research"1. Your post has no content, just lies.LOLClearly you can't debate. You obfuscate. Maybe you know you are fighting the truth, so obfuscation is all you can do.You really can't stop posting bullshit, can ya, con?1. Yes there is evidence that Fauci paid China to do gain of function research. There are tons of credible sites.True, that would be a lie if Fauci actually knew the figure was $826K, but I have no evidence of that either. And your question about support paying China to do "gain of function" research is based on your falsehood that we paid China for gain-of-function research. That's never been proven either.Fauci is a liar. Rand is calling him a liar. The paper trail confirms that Fauci is lying. Do you support paying China to do "gain of function" research to make bat viruses more deadly? I don't.
Fauci claims US gave $600,000 to Wuhan lab research; documents show it was more
In a Senate hearing late last month, top doctor Anthony Fauci told lawmakers the U.S. granted $600,000 in funding to the Wuhan Institute of Virology over a five year period, but documents provided by the Department of Health and Human Services Friday show otherwise.
But seeing as how you can't stop yourself from lying, I can't wholly state I expect anything different from you.
Why US outsourced bat virus research to Wuhan - Asia Times
The US National Institutes of Health (NIH) funded bat-coronavirus research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China to the tune of US$3.7 million, aThere are a lot of unknowns, speculation and differences of opinion on these topics. But let’s start with what we do know: In 2014, the NIH awarded a grant to the U.S.-based EcoHealth Alliance to study the risk of the future emergence of coronaviruses from bats. In 2019, the project was renewed for another five years, but it was canceled in April 2020 — three months after the first case of the coronavirus was confirmed in the U.S.The Wuhan Lab and the Gain-of-Function Disagreement - FactCheck.org
A disagreement between Republican Sen. Rand Paul and Dr. Anthony Fauci has put $600,000 of U.S. grant money to the Wuhan Institute of Virology back into the spotlight, while making "gain-of-function" research a household term -- all amid calls for more investigation into the origins of SARS-CoV-2.
EcoHealth ultimately received $3.7 million over six years from the NIH and distributed nearly $600,000 of that total to China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology, a collaborator on the project, pre-approved by NIH.
The grant cancellation came at a time when then-President Donald Trump and others questioned the U.S. funding to a lab in Wuhan, while exaggerating the amount of federal money involved.
2. QED. You can't deny the funding.
3. My suspicion is that Dr Fauci's irresponsible research is what killed 600,000 Americans. Covid did not come directly from bats, it was enhanced via gain of function research. It will be proven.
I only got as far as this lie....
The US National Institutes of Health (NIH) funded bat-coronavirus research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China to the tune of US$3.7 million, a recent article in the British newspaper Daily Mail revealed.
You've now posted 2 articles on this.... one stating the NIH gave the Wuhan $826K, the other stating the NIH gave the Wuhan lab $3.7 million.
Clearly, they can't both be true. So clearly, you're posting fake news again.
So do you ever stop lying?
Ever???
This is exactly the reason you have zero cred. You say abortion is murder... then you say abortion is not murder. You say you're not pro-choice... then you say you are pro-choice. Now you say the NIH gave the Wuhan lab $826K... then you say the NIH gave the Wuhan lab $3.7 million.
You keep relying on fake news -- you keep on embarrassing yourself.
I'm retired, I have all day to post the truth.
1. NIH funded gain of function research at the Wuhan Lab to make bat viruses more deadly, the funding came from several US agencies, thru intermediaries, to cover their asses. So don't whine about the amounts and from whom.
2. The virus got out and killed 600,000 Americans, as well as hurt the US economy, and President Trump's termUS officials may have avoided the coronavirus lab-leak theory to avoid associations with controversial gain-of-function research
The US has funded labs that alter coronaviruses for research. That may have led officials to avoid investigating whether the virus leaked from a lab.
3. Do you ever debate with facts? Ever??
4. In the US is abortion murder, y/n? So stop your stupid grade school arguments or you lose the debate, and that's all I'll put in future replies.
5. Your empty posts show how vapid your grade school arguments are.
You literally posted two different articles that contradicted each other but you project I'm the one obfuscating.
Your lies and nuttiness aside, you claim...
"NIH funded gain of function research at the Wuhan Lab to make bat viruses more deadly"
... but then you post an article that shows you're lying...
Scientists haven't ruled out the possibility that the coronavirus leaked from a lab.
... which means your claims haven't been proven to be true.
I don't even have to debate you. Your own articles do that for me.
2. Your post is contradictory, my post stands as correct. 1) NIH funded gain of function research, and 2) there is a possibility that the (deadlier) virus leaked from the lab.
3. My claims, as supported by Sen Rand Paul as well as many scientists are valid. The US paid for gain of function research, the virus then escaped from the Wuhan Lab.
4. You can't obfuscate when the truth is staring you in the face. All you have are lies and deflection.
Like I said, I have all day to keep re-posting the truth and disproving your childish unsubstantiated obfuscations.
You're still lying (surprise, surprise). Your point was refuted by your own links.
Again, your own links didn't say that. Your own links state that hasn't been confirmed.
If truth and reality were on your side, you wouldn't have to lie like ya do.
"Dr. Anthony Fauci knew about U.S. funding for the gain of function research occurring at the Wuhan lab in China but downplayed its role in the COVID-19 pandemic, new emails show. Fauci recently denied that specific research was used by the overseas Virology Institute or funded by him.Emails Show Fauci Downplayed Funding Gain Of Function Research At Wuhan Lab
Dr. Anthony Fauci knew about U.S. funding for the gain of function research occurring at the Wuhan lab in China but downplayed its role in the COVID-19 pandemic, new emails show.
In emails acquired by Buzzfeed News, Fauci conversed with NIAID Principal Deputy Director Hugh Auchincloss in a conversation labeled “IMPORTANT” about an article detailing the gain of function research occurring in Wuhan through the Wuhan Virology Institute."
2. Here is another credible link proving my point again:
Fauci admits ‘modest’ NIH funding of Wuhan lab but denies ‘gain of function’
The country’s top infectious disease expert has long pushed back on the notion the US funded research that made coronaviruses more lethal or transmissible.
Your unsubstantiated lies are obvious, as well as childish. Thanks for playing kid.
The voluntary moratorium on gain-of-function research related to the transmissibility of highly pathogenic H5N1 influenza virus should continue, pending the resolution of critical policy questions concerning the rationale for performing such experiments and how best to report their results.... the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, a component of the U.S. National Institutes of Health, strongly supports the continuation of this moratorium pending the resolution of critical policy issues related to the rationale for performing and reporting such experiments.
"1. Your Lie#1, my point was refuted by my own links. Here is a link proving my point, NIH funded GOF research:"
Do you ever stop lying? Ever???
Your lie was claiming the NIH paid the Wuhan lab to conduct gain-of-function research and every link you posted stated there was uncertainty if the Wuhan lab did that. So exactly how brain-damaged are you to claim the NIH paid for something which isn't even confirmed to exist??
1. H5N1 is the avian flu or "bird flu" of 1997, not Covid, duh.
2. Your claiming "uncertainty" is way overblown. The link said LIKELY, meaning probably. Just because something isn't confirmed does not mean its false, duh.
3. Its your turn to prove that Covid-19 came from the Wuhan "wet market". If it wasn't engineered in the Wuhan Lab, as paid for by Fauci, then it must have occurred naturally. Please prove that with credible and current links, not the old links from the deep state's cover story. I have current links saying the opposite, duh.
Coronavirus DID leak from Wuhan lab: increasing numbers of experts say
A respected author and China expert has said evidence has emerged suggesting the coronavirus must have leaked from a Wuhan laboratory.Did the coronavirus escape from a Chinese lab? Here's what we know
Experts say animal-to-human transmission is far more likely, but some circumstantial evidence suggests it's possible it was accidentally released by a lab.
I never said Swine Flu is covid. Who knows what I said that triggered that misfiring in your head?
And "likely" is still not certainly, which you continue to claim despite every link you've posted showing you're wrong.
While speaking to co-host Bill Hemmer, Paul elaborated on his allegation and claimed that Dr. Shi Zhengli, the Wuhan-based ‘bat woman’ virologist who researched coronavirus variants in animals, wrote a paper that MIT scientists surmised was referencing gain-of-function research (making pathogens deadlier or more easily transmissible).Rand Paul: Dr. Fauci lied to Congress about Wuhan lab research funding
Senator Rand Paul, R-Ky., claimed that Dr, Fauci lied to Congress when he denied that the National Institute of Health was funding research at the controversial Wuhan lab, which some allege was the source of the COVID outbreak.
Paul claims that the paper acknowledged that their funding came from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease (NIAID), a subset of the NIH where Dr. Fauci is the director.
Paul added that he has looked at the grant application for the Wuhan lab research, which he says also references gain-of-function research, based on the analysis of a Rutgers cellular biologist.
You're such a dumbfuck.
Nothing in that article states covid was the result of gain-of-function research. The claim in that article is Rand Paul accusing the NIH if funding gain-of-function research ... Fauci denying funding was for gain-of-function research ... and then Paul accusing Fauci of lying.
You're still batting 0.000.
You must be illiterate. Here is the fucking sentence you don't comprehend:
"Paul added that he has looked at the grant application for the Wuhan lab research, which he says also references gain-of-function research, based on the analysis of a Rutgers cellular biologist."
...that does say coronavirus virus was the result of gain-of-function research. Even worse for you, read your own fucking link...
"We can’t prove the virus came from the lab." ~ Rand Paul
2. Rand Paul can't prove the virus came from the lab, so what? That's why we need a thorough investigation
3. The virus did NOT come from the "wet market" as the cover story claimed, the specific bats are only found 900 miles from Wuhan, so they had to be brought to the lab for GOF research.
Not even your own links agreed with you that covid was the result of gain-of-function research.
Read post 1351.
See how it is to read unproven posts. Rand Paul proved Fauci paid for GOF research at Wuhan.
Enhanced Covid escaped containment at Wuhan. QED.
There is no other scientific explanation.
You can prove it didn't come from Fauci's gain-of-function research? Didn't think so.
Fauci's idiotic GOF research killed 600,000 Americans.
So where did Covid-19 come from? Prove it.
We're back to those two words:
It is LIKELY that covid came from the GOF research at the Wuhan Lab
It is UNLIKELY that covid went directly from bats to humans.
It is proven that Fauci paid Wuhan for GOF research, its in the Lab's report.
It is LIKELY that Fauci's GOF research killed 600,000 Americans
Fauci claims US gave $600,000 to Wuhan lab research; documents show it was more
In a Senate hearing late last month, top doctor Anthony Fauci told lawmakers the U.S. granted $600,000 in funding to the Wuhan Institute of Virology over a five year period, but documents provided by the Department of Health and Human Services Friday show otherwise.
www.foxnews.com
Fauci admits ‘modest’ NIH funding of Wuhan lab but denies ‘gain of function’
The country’s top infectious disease expert has long pushed back on the notion the US funded research that made coronaviruses more lethal or transmissible.
nypost.com
Sen. Paul: Fauci emails prove he knew of Wuhan gain-of-function research
Sen. Rand Paul said in an interview with Fox News that the recently revealed emails regarding Dr. Anthony Fauci paint the official in a “disturbing” light.
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Nothing is "proven", but covid came from somewhere, and it didn't go from bats directly to humans, so it was developed in the Wuhan Lab, as paid for by Fauci, read his emails trying to cover his ass:
Sen. Paul: Fauci emails prove he knew of Wuhan gain-of-function research
Sen. Rand Paul said in an interview with Fox News that the recently revealed emails regarding Dr. Anthony Fauci paint the official in a “disturbing” light.
nypost.com
kyzr
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You are not considering Fauci's email trail:You're lying again. You should stop.1. Rand Paul nailed Fauci's ass to the wall proving the US paid China for GOF research. A really stupid idea by Fauci.The one lying is you as evidenced by your own links which highlight the fact that it's not been proven that covid is the result of gain-of-function research. And I don't have to prove shit about Fauci. I'm not the one making false claims -- you are. You're the one claiming that covid is the result of gain-of-function research even though your own links don't say that.Keep lying. That's all you know how to do.LOLOLOL1. Agreed that covid-19 was the result of gain-of-function research at the Wuhan LabLOLLOLOLOLThere is no disagreement. Read every word. There is no uncertainty in this article. You're welcome.It trumps nothing. You're literally claiming it was engineered via gain-of-function research when even your own links disagree with you.If Covid-19 most LIKELY was engineered in the Wuhan Lab, that Trumps the UNLIKELY event that it came from the Wuhan wet market, duh.LOLOMG, you are way out of your lane.Actually, Fauci played both sides of the argument...1. Your Lie#1, my point was refuted by my own links. Here is a link proving my point, NIH funded GOF research:"my post stands as correct. 1) NIH funded gain of function research"1. Your post has no content, just lies.LOLClearly you can't debate. You obfuscate. Maybe you know you are fighting the truth, so obfuscation is all you can do.You really can't stop posting bullshit, can ya, con?1. Yes there is evidence that Fauci paid China to do gain of function research. There are tons of credible sites.True, that would be a lie if Fauci actually knew the figure was $826K, but I have no evidence of that either. And your question about support paying China to do "gain of function" research is based on your falsehood that we paid China for gain-of-function research. That's never been proven either.Fauci is a liar. Rand is calling him a liar. The paper trail confirms that Fauci is lying. Do you support paying China to do "gain of function" research to make bat viruses more deadly? I don't.
Fauci claims US gave $600,000 to Wuhan lab research; documents show it was more
In a Senate hearing late last month, top doctor Anthony Fauci told lawmakers the U.S. granted $600,000 in funding to the Wuhan Institute of Virology over a five year period, but documents provided by the Department of Health and Human Services Friday show otherwise.
But seeing as how you can't stop yourself from lying, I can't wholly state I expect anything different from you.
Why US outsourced bat virus research to Wuhan - Asia Times
The US National Institutes of Health (NIH) funded bat-coronavirus research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China to the tune of US$3.7 million, aThere are a lot of unknowns, speculation and differences of opinion on these topics. But let’s start with what we do know: In 2014, the NIH awarded a grant to the U.S.-based EcoHealth Alliance to study the risk of the future emergence of coronaviruses from bats. In 2019, the project was renewed for another five years, but it was canceled in April 2020 — three months after the first case of the coronavirus was confirmed in the U.S.The Wuhan Lab and the Gain-of-Function Disagreement - FactCheck.org
A disagreement between Republican Sen. Rand Paul and Dr. Anthony Fauci has put $600,000 of U.S. grant money to the Wuhan Institute of Virology back into the spotlight, while making "gain-of-function" research a household term -- all amid calls for more investigation into the origins of SARS-CoV-2.
EcoHealth ultimately received $3.7 million over six years from the NIH and distributed nearly $600,000 of that total to China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology, a collaborator on the project, pre-approved by NIH.
The grant cancellation came at a time when then-President Donald Trump and others questioned the U.S. funding to a lab in Wuhan, while exaggerating the amount of federal money involved.
2. QED. You can't deny the funding.
3. My suspicion is that Dr Fauci's irresponsible research is what killed 600,000 Americans. Covid did not come directly from bats, it was enhanced via gain of function research. It will be proven.
I only got as far as this lie....
The US National Institutes of Health (NIH) funded bat-coronavirus research in the Wuhan Institute of Virology in China to the tune of US$3.7 million, a recent article in the British newspaper Daily Mail revealed.
You've now posted 2 articles on this.... one stating the NIH gave the Wuhan $826K, the other stating the NIH gave the Wuhan lab $3.7 million.
Clearly, they can't both be true. So clearly, you're posting fake news again.
So do you ever stop lying?
Ever???
This is exactly the reason you have zero cred. You say abortion is murder... then you say abortion is not murder. You say you're not pro-choice... then you say you are pro-choice. Now you say the NIH gave the Wuhan lab $826K... then you say the NIH gave the Wuhan lab $3.7 million.
You keep relying on fake news -- you keep on embarrassing yourself.
I'm retired, I have all day to post the truth.
1. NIH funded gain of function research at the Wuhan Lab to make bat viruses more deadly, the funding came from several US agencies, thru intermediaries, to cover their asses. So don't whine about the amounts and from whom.
2. The virus got out and killed 600,000 Americans, as well as hurt the US economy, and President Trump's termUS officials may have avoided the coronavirus lab-leak theory to avoid associations with controversial gain-of-function research
The US has funded labs that alter coronaviruses for research. That may have led officials to avoid investigating whether the virus leaked from a lab.
3. Do you ever debate with facts? Ever??
4. In the US is abortion murder, y/n? So stop your stupid grade school arguments or you lose the debate, and that's all I'll put in future replies.
5. Your empty posts show how vapid your grade school arguments are.
You literally posted two different articles that contradicted each other but you project I'm the one obfuscating.
Your lies and nuttiness aside, you claim...
"NIH funded gain of function research at the Wuhan Lab to make bat viruses more deadly"
... but then you post an article that shows you're lying...
Scientists haven't ruled out the possibility that the coronavirus leaked from a lab.
... which means your claims haven't been proven to be true.
I don't even have to debate you. Your own articles do that for me.
2. Your post is contradictory, my post stands as correct. 1) NIH funded gain of function research, and 2) there is a possibility that the (deadlier) virus leaked from the lab.
3. My claims, as supported by Sen Rand Paul as well as many scientists are valid. The US paid for gain of function research, the virus then escaped from the Wuhan Lab.
4. You can't obfuscate when the truth is staring you in the face. All you have are lies and deflection.
Like I said, I have all day to keep re-posting the truth and disproving your childish unsubstantiated obfuscations.
You're still lying (surprise, surprise). Your point was refuted by your own links.
Again, your own links didn't say that. Your own links state that hasn't been confirmed.
If truth and reality were on your side, you wouldn't have to lie like ya do.
"Dr. Anthony Fauci knew about U.S. funding for the gain of function research occurring at the Wuhan lab in China but downplayed its role in the COVID-19 pandemic, new emails show. Fauci recently denied that specific research was used by the overseas Virology Institute or funded by him.Emails Show Fauci Downplayed Funding Gain Of Function Research At Wuhan Lab
Dr. Anthony Fauci knew about U.S. funding for the gain of function research occurring at the Wuhan lab in China but downplayed its role in the COVID-19 pandemic, new emails show.
In emails acquired by Buzzfeed News, Fauci conversed with NIAID Principal Deputy Director Hugh Auchincloss in a conversation labeled “IMPORTANT” about an article detailing the gain of function research occurring in Wuhan through the Wuhan Virology Institute."
2. Here is another credible link proving my point again:
Fauci admits ‘modest’ NIH funding of Wuhan lab but denies ‘gain of function’
The country’s top infectious disease expert has long pushed back on the notion the US funded research that made coronaviruses more lethal or transmissible.
Your unsubstantiated lies are obvious, as well as childish. Thanks for playing kid.
The voluntary moratorium on gain-of-function research related to the transmissibility of highly pathogenic H5N1 influenza virus should continue, pending the resolution of critical policy questions concerning the rationale for performing such experiments and how best to report their results.... the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, a component of the U.S. National Institutes of Health, strongly supports the continuation of this moratorium pending the resolution of critical policy issues related to the rationale for performing and reporting such experiments.
"1. Your Lie#1, my point was refuted by my own links. Here is a link proving my point, NIH funded GOF research:"
Do you ever stop lying? Ever???
Your lie was claiming the NIH paid the Wuhan lab to conduct gain-of-function research and every link you posted stated there was uncertainty if the Wuhan lab did that. So exactly how brain-damaged are you to claim the NIH paid for something which isn't even confirmed to exist??
1. H5N1 is the avian flu or "bird flu" of 1997, not Covid, duh.
2. Your claiming "uncertainty" is way overblown. The link said LIKELY, meaning probably. Just because something isn't confirmed does not mean its false, duh.
3. Its your turn to prove that Covid-19 came from the Wuhan "wet market". If it wasn't engineered in the Wuhan Lab, as paid for by Fauci, then it must have occurred naturally. Please prove that with credible and current links, not the old links from the deep state's cover story. I have current links saying the opposite, duh.
Coronavirus DID leak from Wuhan lab: increasing numbers of experts say
A respected author and China expert has said evidence has emerged suggesting the coronavirus must have leaked from a Wuhan laboratory.Did the coronavirus escape from a Chinese lab? Here's what we know
Experts say animal-to-human transmission is far more likely, but some circumstantial evidence suggests it's possible it was accidentally released by a lab.
I never said Swine Flu is covid. Who knows what I said that triggered that misfiring in your head?
And "likely" is still not certainly, which you continue to claim despite every link you've posted showing you're wrong.
While speaking to co-host Bill Hemmer, Paul elaborated on his allegation and claimed that Dr. Shi Zhengli, the Wuhan-based ‘bat woman’ virologist who researched coronavirus variants in animals, wrote a paper that MIT scientists surmised was referencing gain-of-function research (making pathogens deadlier or more easily transmissible).Rand Paul: Dr. Fauci lied to Congress about Wuhan lab research funding
Senator Rand Paul, R-Ky., claimed that Dr, Fauci lied to Congress when he denied that the National Institute of Health was funding research at the controversial Wuhan lab, which some allege was the source of the COVID outbreak.
Paul claims that the paper acknowledged that their funding came from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease (NIAID), a subset of the NIH where Dr. Fauci is the director.
Paul added that he has looked at the grant application for the Wuhan lab research, which he says also references gain-of-function research, based on the analysis of a Rutgers cellular biologist.
You're such a dumbfuck.
Nothing in that article states covid was the result of gain-of-function research. The claim in that article is Rand Paul accusing the NIH if funding gain-of-function research ... Fauci denying funding was for gain-of-function research ... and then Paul accusing Fauci of lying.
You're still batting 0.000.
You must be illiterate. Here is the fucking sentence you don't comprehend:
"Paul added that he has looked at the grant application for the Wuhan lab research, which he says also references gain-of-function research, based on the analysis of a Rutgers cellular biologist."
...that does say coronavirus virus was the result of gain-of-function research. Even worse for you, read your own fucking link...
"We can’t prove the virus came from the lab." ~ Rand Paul
2. Rand Paul can't prove the virus came from the lab, so what? That's why we need a thorough investigation
3. The virus did NOT come from the "wet market" as the cover story claimed, the specific bats are only found 900 miles from Wuhan, so they had to be brought to the lab for GOF research.
Not even your own links agreed with you that covid was the result of gain-of-function research.
Read post 1351.
See how it is to read unproven posts. Rand Paul proved Fauci paid for GOF research at Wuhan.
Enhanced Covid escaped containment at Wuhan. QED.
There is no other scientific explanation.
You can prove it didn't come from Fauci's gain-of-function research? Didn't think so.
Fauci's idiotic GOF research killed 600,000 Americans.
2. Covid-19 did NOT occur naturally, there is no link from bats to humans
3. The fact that Rand Paul can't "prove" covid came from the lab only proves that China is blocking the investigation. So where did it come from, and why did it start in Wuhan?
4. You "prove" where covid came from if not from Fauci's GOF research. You can't prove anything either.
5. You didn't comment on post 1,351, why not?
Rand Paul proved no such thing. Rand Paul couldn't prove we paid for gain-of-function research since it's not been proven covid came as a result of gain-of-function research.
Sen. Paul: Fauci emails prove he knew of Wuhan gain-of-function research
Sen. Rand Paul said in an interview with Fox News that the recently revealed emails regarding Dr. Anthony Fauci paint the official in a “disturbing” light.
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Maybe they don't, I haven't seen an actual valid poll on the matter.Faun
LOLOLkyzr is a liar who just can't stop lying. Even though his own links fail to echo his claims, he still makes them.Nope. Not proven by anyone!!! Fake news.
Did Fauci Fund ‘Gain of Function’ Research, Thereby Causing Pandemic?
Statements made by Fox News host Tucker Carlson furthered theories that a manipulated virus spilled over from a lab in Wuhan, China.
Meanwhile according to the op poll, republicans by about 4 to 1, do NOT support the attack on the capitol.
So, this idea that the couple of hundred or dozens rioters, define the GOP is a liberal lie.
you are all filthy lying whores.
You appear to be too stupid to comprehend just how meaningless that poll is. It's an unscientific poll on a right-leaning forum with a margin of error well into the 90's.
And yet, even with such a radical sample, the trend is clear. Republicans do NOT support the 1/6 riot.
So, why are you people pretending otherwise? DO you really need to do that, or do you just lie by reflex?
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