Poll: Voters think preventing gun violence is more important than protecting gun rights

[Brain357]

And their mass shooting problem pretty much disappeared.

The nutters will deflect to any crime imaginable to avoid discussion of firearm homicide rates.

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And it is down from 5.3 in 2017.

We got background checks and other gun control in 1993...

 

[Issa]

We regularly have mass shootings. Our law enforcement are killed weekly in shootings. Our police regularly shoot and kill people. Meanwhile countries with strong gun control don't have these problems. It's clear we need changed.

We've been through this before about a dozen times. Other countries do have their problems just like we do. You can't compare a mostly or all white country with ours. Our violent crime and gun crime has been on the decrease since the 90's up until the Ferguson effect kicked in. We are in 11th place when it comes to mass murders in the world.

You are a typical ignorant American who don't know much about the world. Son most countries that have strict gun control have less mass shootings and shootings in general. You wanna keep living in denial go ahead....till then thousands will die every year from gun violence unlike most countries.

So where did you move here from that was so great?

Why you care. You will end up googling it and coming up with some faux news and try and make the mass shootings there look worse.
I can tell you this...we had 0 mass shootings.
Dunno anyone who have seen a gun.
Basically no thousands of dead people every year. Dozens ? Yes maybe. But I'm sure if guns were available there will be thousands dead.

My point is that you cut down this country because of guns, yet you came to live here anyway.

Did i say it's impossible to live here? Or i won't because of it ?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You can't compare a mostly or all white country with ours.

NZ has less whites than the US. Usual gun nutter weak bullshit excuses is what we've come to expect, thankfully we're not disappointed once again.

Israel has a high population of Arabs and they still have a much lower homicide rate than ours with their strong gun control.

What you need to do is compare a country to itself. For instance, In Australia, they instituted their confiscation in 1996. Murders went down for two years, then went back up. It eventually went down again, but sexual assaults nearly doubled at the same time.

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In 2010, long after the gun ban, murder and sexual assaults began to rise once again.

And their mass shooting problem pretty much disappeared.

What does mass shootings have to do with anything. If some nut kills 15 people at a mall, or several kill 15 people in Chicago on a holiday weekend, what's the difference? 15 people are shot dead in each case.

Well for one in the case of school shootings the dead are innocent school children. In the case of the Chicago shootings its mostly a bunch of gang bangers. You can't see the difference?

A difference on who died, of course. But the subject was what's the difference when it comes to how the killing took place. You do know that many people who get shot in those gang killings are innocent people too. And yes, children involved as well.

Sure, lots and lots of people get shot when we have lots of guns. Much fewer get shot when there is strong gun control. Look at Israel. Practically in a war zone and they still have a much lower homicide rate than us. And they also have much stricter gun laws. They have quite a large minority population too.

So what you are saying is that Chicago has lax gun control laws?

 

[Brain357]

You can't compare a mostly or all white country with ours.

NZ has less whites than the US. Usual gun nutter weak bullshit excuses is what we've come to expect, thankfully we're not disappointed once again.

Israel has a high population of Arabs and they still have a much lower homicide rate than ours with their strong gun control.

And their mass shooting problem pretty much disappeared.

What does mass shootings have to do with anything. If some nut kills 15 people at a mall, or several kill 15 people in Chicago on a holiday weekend, what's the difference? 15 people are shot dead in each case.

Well for one in the case of school shootings the dead are innocent school children. In the case of the Chicago shootings its mostly a bunch of gang bangers. You can't see the difference?

A difference on who died, of course. But the subject was what's the difference when it comes to how the killing took place. You do know that many people who get shot in those gang killings are innocent people too. And yes, children involved as well.

Sure, lots and lots of people get shot when we have lots of guns. Much fewer get shot when there is strong gun control. Look at Israel. Practically in a war zone and they still have a much lower homicide rate than us. And they also have much stricter gun laws. They have quite a large minority population too.

So what you are saying is that Chicago has lax gun control laws?

They are a city. Anyone can easily drive into Chicago with an illegal gun. Also their laws aren't all that strict, they do have concealed carry after all.

 

[depotoo]

Why school shootings are rare in Israel where guns are common

“But the schools have escaped American-style violence in large part because of measures to confront Israel’s unique security challenge – and not because of efforts to deter troubled youths and lone madmen.

“The guards are there for other reasons, mainly terrorism,” said Amos Shavit, spokesman for the Ministry of Education. He said the guards stationed at schools are under the authority of the police. In large cities, he said, the police and the local authority carry out security patrols around the educational institutions throughout the school day.”

School shootings are rare in Israel where guns are common

With an officer on every street corner, tight border, and a thorough background check for every entry.

You can't compare a mostly or all white country with ours.

NZ has less whites than the US. Usual gun nutter weak bullshit excuses is what we've come to expect, thankfully we're not disappointed once again.

Israel has a high population of Arabs and they still have a much lower homicide rate than ours with their strong gun control.

With very strict gun control.

 

[Brain357]

With an officer on every street corner, tight border, and a thorough background check for every entry.

You can't compare a mostly or all white country with ours.

NZ has less whites than the US. Usual gun nutter weak bullshit excuses is what we've come to expect, thankfully we're not disappointed once again.

Israel has a high population of Arabs and they still have a much lower homicide rate than ours with their strong gun control.

Also the IDF carries weapons on and off duty.

Carrying is heavily restricted for civilians.

 

[Flash]

Too bad removing gun rights won't prevent gun violence.

Poll: Voters think preventing gun violence is more important than protecting gun rights

A majority of voters in a new poll thinks it is more important to prevent gun violence than to protect gun rights.

Sounds like the same kind of poll that said Crooked Hillary was going to win by an Electoral College landslide.

 

[Brain357]

Why school shootings are rare in Israel where guns are common

“But the schools have escaped American-style violence in large part because of measures to confront Israel’s unique security challenge – and not because of efforts to deter troubled youths and lone madmen.

“The guards are there for other reasons, mainly terrorism,” said Amos Shavit, spokesman for the Ministry of Education. He said the guards stationed at schools are under the authority of the police. In large cities, he said, the police and the local authority carry out security patrols around the educational institutions throughout the school day.”

School shootings are rare in Israel where guns are common

With an officer on every street corner, tight border, and a thorough background check for every entry.

You can't compare a mostly or all white country with ours.

NZ has less whites than the US. Usual gun nutter weak bullshit excuses is what we've come to expect, thankfully we're not disappointed once again.

Israel has a high population of Arabs and they still have a much lower homicide rate than ours with their strong gun control.

With very strict gun control.

From your link:
Israeli security experts also say that gun violence is rare in Israel because privately held guns are so rare. According to data from Israel’s Ministry of Internal Security, which registers all gun owners, about 260,000 Israelis, or about 3.5 percent of the population, have permits to carry firearms. Half of the permit holders are private citizens, and the others work for security firms.

 

[depotoo]

So, you admit illegal guns are the problem, NOT legal guns.

You can't compare a mostly or all white country with ours.

NZ has less whites than the US. Usual gun nutter weak bullshit excuses is what we've come to expect, thankfully we're not disappointed once again.

Israel has a high population of Arabs and they still have a much lower homicide rate than ours with their strong gun control.

What does mass shootings have to do with anything. If some nut kills 15 people at a mall, or several kill 15 people in Chicago on a holiday weekend, what's the difference? 15 people are shot dead in each case.

Well for one in the case of school shootings the dead are innocent school children. In the case of the Chicago shootings its mostly a bunch of gang bangers. You can't see the difference?

A difference on who died, of course. But the subject was what's the difference when it comes to how the killing took place. You do know that many people who get shot in those gang killings are innocent people too. And yes, children involved as well.

Sure, lots and lots of people get shot when we have lots of guns. Much fewer get shot when there is strong gun control. Look at Israel. Practically in a war zone and they still have a much lower homicide rate than us. And they also have much stricter gun laws. They have quite a large minority population too.

So what you are saying is that Chicago has lax gun control laws?

They are a city. Anyone can easily drive into Chicago with an illegal gun. Also their laws aren't all that strict, they do have concealed carry after all.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

You can't compare a mostly or all white country with ours.

NZ has less whites than the US. Usual gun nutter weak bullshit excuses is what we've come to expect, thankfully we're not disappointed once again.

Israel has a high population of Arabs and they still have a much lower homicide rate than ours with their strong gun control.

What does mass shootings have to do with anything. If some nut kills 15 people at a mall, or several kill 15 people in Chicago on a holiday weekend, what's the difference? 15 people are shot dead in each case.

Well for one in the case of school shootings the dead are innocent school children. In the case of the Chicago shootings its mostly a bunch of gang bangers. You can't see the difference?

A difference on who died, of course. But the subject was what's the difference when it comes to how the killing took place. You do know that many people who get shot in those gang killings are innocent people too. And yes, children involved as well.

Sure, lots and lots of people get shot when we have lots of guns. Much fewer get shot when there is strong gun control. Look at Israel. Practically in a war zone and they still have a much lower homicide rate than us. And they also have much stricter gun laws. They have quite a large minority population too.

So what you are saying is that Chicago has lax gun control laws?

They are a city. Anyone can easily drive into Chicago with an illegal gun. Also their laws aren't all that strict, they do have concealed carry after all.

Correct.

Claiming that firearm regulatory measures don’t work because of gun crime in Chicago is a failed and ignorant ‘argument.’

 

[Brain357]

So, you admit illegal guns are the problem, NOT legal guns.

You can't compare a mostly or all white country with ours.

NZ has less whites than the US. Usual gun nutter weak bullshit excuses is what we've come to expect, thankfully we're not disappointed once again.

Israel has a high population of Arabs and they still have a much lower homicide rate than ours with their strong gun control.

Well for one in the case of school shootings the dead are innocent school children. In the case of the Chicago shootings its mostly a bunch of gang bangers. You can't see the difference?

A difference on who died, of course. But the subject was what's the difference when it comes to how the killing took place. You do know that many people who get shot in those gang killings are innocent people too. And yes, children involved as well.

Sure, lots and lots of people get shot when we have lots of guns. Much fewer get shot when there is strong gun control. Look at Israel. Practically in a war zone and they still have a much lower homicide rate than us. And they also have much stricter gun laws. They have quite a large minority population too.

So what you are saying is that Chicago has lax gun control laws?

They are a city. Anyone can easily drive into Chicago with an illegal gun. Also their laws aren't all that strict, they do have concealed carry after all.

As should be obvious, lots of legal guns guarantees lots of illegal guns.

 

[depotoo]

They are wrong on their numbers.

Guns in Israel — Firearms, gun law and gun control
And they have another 1.75 million owned by military and 26,000 by police, which are required to carry when out and about.
Here military aren’t even allowed to carry on base.

Why school shootings are rare in Israel where guns are common

“But the schools have escaped American-style violence in large part because of measures to confront Israel’s unique security challenge – and not because of efforts to deter troubled youths and lone madmen.

“The guards are there for other reasons, mainly terrorism,” said Amos Shavit, spokesman for the Ministry of Education. He said the guards stationed at schools are under the authority of the police. In large cities, he said, the police and the local authority carry out security patrols around the educational institutions throughout the school day.”

School shootings are rare in Israel where guns are common

With an officer on every street corner, tight border, and a thorough background check for every entry.

NZ has less whites than the US. Usual gun nutter weak bullshit excuses is what we've come to expect, thankfully we're not disappointed once again.

Israel has a high population of Arabs and they still have a much lower homicide rate than ours with their strong gun control.

With very strict gun control.

From your link:
Israeli security experts also say that gun violence is rare in Israel because privately held guns are so rare. According to data from Israel’s Ministry of Internal Security, which registers all gun owners, about 260,000 Israelis, or about 3.5 percent of the population, have permits to carry firearms. Half of the permit holders are private citizens, and the others work for security firms.

 

[depotoo]

Yeah, except Israel has 2 million legal firearms running around daily, and that’s with a population of 8 million people..

So, you admit illegal guns are the problem, NOT legal guns.

NZ has less whites than the US. Usual gun nutter weak bullshit excuses is what we've come to expect, thankfully we're not disappointed once again.

Israel has a high population of Arabs and they still have a much lower homicide rate than ours with their strong gun control.

A difference on who died, of course. But the subject was what's the difference when it comes to how the killing took place. You do know that many people who get shot in those gang killings are innocent people too. And yes, children involved as well.

Sure, lots and lots of people get shot when we have lots of guns. Much fewer get shot when there is strong gun control. Look at Israel. Practically in a war zone and they still have a much lower homicide rate than us. And they also have much stricter gun laws. They have quite a large minority population too.

So what you are saying is that Chicago has lax gun control laws?

They are a city. Anyone can easily drive into Chicago with an illegal gun. Also their laws aren't all that strict, they do have concealed carry after all.

As should be obvious, lots of legal guns guarantees lots of illegal guns.

 

[Brain357]

They are wrong on their numbers.

Guns in Israel — Firearms, gun law and gun control
And they have another 1.75 million owned by military and 26,000 by police, which are required to carry when out and about.
Here military aren’t even allowed to carry on base.

Why school shootings are rare in Israel where guns are common

“But the schools have escaped American-style violence in large part because of measures to confront Israel’s unique security challenge – and not because of efforts to deter troubled youths and lone madmen.

“The guards are there for other reasons, mainly terrorism,” said Amos Shavit, spokesman for the Ministry of Education. He said the guards stationed at schools are under the authority of the police. In large cities, he said, the police and the local authority carry out security patrols around the educational institutions throughout the school day.”

School shootings are rare in Israel where guns are common

With an officer on every street corner, tight border, and a thorough background check for every entry.

Israel has a high population of Arabs and they still have a much lower homicide rate than ours with their strong gun control.

With very strict gun control.

From your link:
Israeli security experts also say that gun violence is rare in Israel because privately held guns are so rare. According to data from Israel’s Ministry of Internal Security, which registers all gun owners, about 260,000 Israelis, or about 3.5 percent of the population, have permits to carry firearms. Half of the permit holders are private citizens, and the others work for security firms.

Ok so now you are saying your own link is wrong? That is funny. Ok so this is from your new link:
In a 2007 comparison of the number of privately owned guns in 178 countries, Israel ranked at No. 81

Yeah they don't have many privately owned guns.

 

[depotoo]

My link was incorrect on numbers, but correct on security of schools.

And there are up to 2 million guns literally on the streets there amongst a population of 8 million.

They are wrong on their numbers.

Guns in Israel — Firearms, gun law and gun control
And they have another 1.75 million owned by military and 26,000 by police, which are required to carry when out and about.
Here military aren’t even allowed to carry on base.

Why school shootings are rare in Israel where guns are common

“But the schools have escaped American-style violence in large part because of measures to confront Israel’s unique security challenge – and not because of efforts to deter troubled youths and lone madmen.

“The guards are there for other reasons, mainly terrorism,” said Amos Shavit, spokesman for the Ministry of Education. He said the guards stationed at schools are under the authority of the police. In large cities, he said, the police and the local authority carry out security patrols around the educational institutions throughout the school day.”

School shootings are rare in Israel where guns are common

With an officer on every street corner, tight border, and a thorough background check for every entry.

With very strict gun control.

From your link:
Israeli security experts also say that gun violence is rare in Israel because privately held guns are so rare. According to data from Israel’s Ministry of Internal Security, which registers all gun owners, about 260,000 Israelis, or about 3.5 percent of the population, have permits to carry firearms. Half of the permit holders are private citizens, and the others work for security firms.

Ok so now you are saying your own link is wrong? That is funny. Ok so this is from your new link:
In a 2007 comparison of the number of privately owned guns in 178 countries, Israel ranked at No. 81

Yeah they don't have many privately owned guns.

 

[Brain357]

Yeah, except Israel has 2 million legal firearms running around daily, and that’s with a population of 8 million people..

So, you admit illegal guns are the problem, NOT legal guns.

Israel has a high population of Arabs and they still have a much lower homicide rate than ours with their strong gun control.

Sure, lots and lots of people get shot when we have lots of guns. Much fewer get shot when there is strong gun control. Look at Israel. Practically in a war zone and they still have a much lower homicide rate than us. And they also have much stricter gun laws. They have quite a large minority population too.

So what you are saying is that Chicago has lax gun control laws?

They are a city. Anyone can easily drive into Chicago with an illegal gun. Also their laws aren't all that strict, they do have concealed carry after all.

As should be obvious, lots of legal guns guarantees lots of illegal guns.

You think they have 2 million active military members? You can't be this stupid....

 

[Brain357]

My link was incorrect on numbers, but correct on security of schools.

They are wrong on their numbers.

Guns in Israel — Firearms, gun law and gun control
And they have another 1.75 million owned by military and 26,000 by police, which are required to carry when out and about.
Here military aren’t even allowed to carry on base.

Why school shootings are rare in Israel where guns are common

“But the schools have escaped American-style violence in large part because of measures to confront Israel’s unique security challenge – and not because of efforts to deter troubled youths and lone madmen.

“The guards are there for other reasons, mainly terrorism,” said Amos Shavit, spokesman for the Ministry of Education. He said the guards stationed at schools are under the authority of the police. In large cities, he said, the police and the local authority carry out security patrols around the educational institutions throughout the school day.”

School shootings are rare in Israel where guns are common

With very strict gun control.

From your link:
Israeli security experts also say that gun violence is rare in Israel because privately held guns are so rare. According to data from Israel’s Ministry of Internal Security, which registers all gun owners, about 260,000 Israelis, or about 3.5 percent of the population, have permits to carry firearms. Half of the permit holders are private citizens, and the others work for security firms.

Ok so now you are saying your own link is wrong? That is funny. Ok so this is from your new link:
In a 2007 comparison of the number of privately owned guns in 178 countries, Israel ranked at No. 81

Yeah they don't have many privately owned guns.

So you pick and choose from your own links, classy.

Is your second link correct that they have very low in private gun ownership? Or was that link wrong too?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

You can't compare a mostly or all white country with ours.

NZ has less whites than the US. Usual gun nutter weak bullshit excuses is what we've come to expect, thankfully we're not disappointed once again.

Where is your link?

 

[depotoo]

conscription in Israel age 18 serve 2 years, 8 months for men, 2 years for women
Israel Defense Forces
Fit for military service 1,499,998 males, age 17–49 (2016 est.), 1,392,319 females, age 17–49 (2016 est.)
Reaching military age annually 60,000 males (2016 est.), 60,000 females (2016 est.)
Active personnel 176,500 (ranked 34th)
Reserve personnel 445,000
So, yes you are correct, there are not 2. million running around, but over 600,000 + over 300,000 civilian + 27,000 law enforcement.

Close to a million with a population of 8 million.

Yeah, except Israel has 2 million legal firearms running around daily, and that’s with a population of 8 million people..

So, you admit illegal guns are the problem, NOT legal guns.

So what you are saying is that Chicago has lax gun control laws?

They are a city. Anyone can easily drive into Chicago with an illegal gun. Also their laws aren't all that strict, they do have concealed carry after all.

As should be obvious, lots of legal guns guarantees lots of illegal guns.

You think they have 2 million active military members? You can't be this stupid....

 

[depotoo]

I got my numbers from gun policy.org


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My link was incorrect on numbers, but correct on security of schools.

They are wrong on their numbers.

Guns in Israel — Firearms, gun law and gun control
And they have another 1.75 million owned by military and 26,000 by police, which are required to carry when out and about.
Here military aren’t even allowed to carry on base.

Why school shootings are rare in Israel where guns are common

“But the schools have escaped American-style violence in large part because of measures to confront Israel’s unique security challenge – and not because of efforts to deter troubled youths and lone madmen.

“The guards are there for other reasons, mainly terrorism,” said Amos Shavit, spokesman for the Ministry of Education. He said the guards stationed at schools are under the authority of the police. In large cities, he said, the police and the local authority carry out security patrols around the educational institutions throughout the school day.”

School shootings are rare in Israel where guns are common

From your link:
Israeli security experts also say that gun violence is rare in Israel because privately held guns are so rare. According to data from Israel’s Ministry of Internal Security, which registers all gun owners, about 260,000 Israelis, or about 3.5 percent of the population, have permits to carry firearms. Half of the permit holders are private citizens, and the others work for security firms.

Ok so now you are saying your own link is wrong? That is funny. Ok so this is from your new link:
In a 2007 comparison of the number of privately owned guns in 178 countries, Israel ranked at No. 81

Yeah they don't have many privately owned guns.

So you pick and choose from your own links, classy.

Is your second link correct that they have very low in private gun ownership? Or was that link wrong too?