President Obama's gun violence plan

[Luddly Neddite]

https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/301529739410153472/photo/1

 

[Avatar4321]

Let's pass a law forbidding the tempature from going about 80 degrees while we are at it. Then we can do something that won't actually stop global warming and wont stop gun violence at the same time!

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Thanks for a well thought-out and constructive post.

Not.

 

[asaratis]

Thanks for a well thought-out and constructive post.

Not.

It is just as viable as Obama's plan to legislate violence out of the picture...or to keep guns from criminals.

The density of the left wing gun control nuts is exceeding great!

 

[Mad Scientist]

"Make Schools Safer" What a joke!

Public Schools a sh*t because the Gov't runs 'em.

 

[asaratis]

https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/301529739410153472/photo/1

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You cannot make laws to keep guns away from criminals. Criminals do not obey laws. That's why we call them criminals.

2
Banning things will not make them unavailable to criminals.

3
You cannot legislate safety.

4
You assume that the deranged assholes that shoot up schools have sought and been refused access to mental heath programs.


You are just as deluded as is Obama!

We need to learn how to recognize potential shooters before they act. Hindsight is 20/20. Too often we hear reports after the fact regarding someone's odd behavior prior to going ape-shit crazy.

 

[Avatar4321]

Thanks for a well thought-out and constructive post.

Not.

Says the person who merely posted a picture someone else made up. Lots of thinking there

 

[asaratis]

Thanks for a well thought-out and constructive post.

Not.

Says the person who merely posted a picture someone else made up. Lots of thinking there

...and he didn't bother to assess the credibility of a single one of the proposals, opting to parrot another asshole that would blindly praise Obama for saying "We need to do something!"

 

[Luddly Neddite]

https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/301529739410153472/photo/1

1
You cannot make laws to keep guns away from criminals. Criminals do not obey laws. That's why we call them criminals.

2
Banning things will not make them unavailable to criminals.

3
You cannot legislate safety.

4
You assume that the deranged assholes that shoot up schools have sought and been refused access to mental heath programs.


You are just as deluded as is Obama!

We need to learn how to recognize potential shooters before they act. Hindsight is 20/20. Too often we hear reports after the fact regarding someone's odd behavior prior to going ape-shit crazy.

Yeah. That's why we don't have any laws concerning automobile safety and insurance. That's why we don't have laws keeping booze and drugs away from children. There are a lot more examples but you already know the answer.

The nutters need to get some new lines because this one is all used up.

 

[blackhawk]

Gee I feel safer already.

 

[Liability]

President Obama's actual "gun violence" plan.

Ignore the Second Amendment and restrict legal access to guns for any American.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/301529739410153472/photo/1

To make it even simpler.

1. Pretend that there is a problem that doesn't exist that will fix everything.
2. Ban guns that look scary.
3. Wave a magic wand and spend more money.
4. Pretend there is another problem and spend money.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Thanks for a well thought-out and constructive post.

Not.

You didn't put any thought into the OP, why should anyone put thought into replying to it?

 

[LeftofLeft]

https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/301529739410153472/photo/1

This plan looks like what is in place in Illinois. Illinois has some of tge strongest gun controls on place. How is that working out vs. the gun laws in Texas? Why would the US want to mirror absolute failure?

 

[JoeB131]

Let's pass a law forbidding the tempature from going about 80 degrees while we are at it. Then we can do something that won't actually stop global warming and wont stop gun violence at the same time!

Every other industrialized country limits or bans private gun ownership.

And they have a fraction of the crime we do.

Just like Conservatards have to ignore the rest of the world to pretend universal health care won't work, they have to ignore the rest of the world to pretend gun control won't work.

 

[TNHarley]

Hey take it easy on Lud.. Least he didnt abandon this thread..

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Let's pass a law forbidding the tempature from going about 80 degrees while we are at it. Then we can do something that won't actually stop global warming and wont stop gun violence at the same time!

Every other industrialized country limits or bans private gun ownership.

And they have a fraction of the crime we do.

Just like Conservatards have to ignore the rest of the world to pretend universal health care won't work, they have to ignore the rest of the world to pretend gun control won't work.

So what?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Let's pass a law forbidding the tempature from going about 80 degrees while we are at it. Then we can do something that won't actually stop global warming and wont stop gun violence at the same time!

Every other industrialized country limits or bans private gun ownership.

And they have a fraction of the crime we do.

Just like Conservatards have to ignore the rest of the world to pretend universal health care won't work, they have to ignore the rest of the world to pretend gun control won't work.

All criminologists studying the firearms issue reject simple comparisons of violent crime among foreign countries. It is impossible to draw valid conclusions without taking into account differences in each nation's collection of crime data, and their political, cultural, racial, religious, and economic disparities. Such factors are not only hard to compare, they are rarely, if ever, taken into account by "gun control" proponents.9

Only one scholar, attorney David Kopel, has attempted to evaluate the impact of "gun control" on crime in several foreign countries. In his book The Samurai, The Mountie and The Cowboy: Should America adopt the gun controls of other democracies?, named a 1992 Book of the Year by the American Society of Criminology, Kopel examined numerous nations with varying gun laws, and concluded: "Contrary to the claims of the American gun control movement, gun control does not deserve credit for the low crime rates in Britain, Japan, or other nations." He noted that Israel and Switzerland, with more widespread rates of gunownership, have crime rates comparable to or lower than the usual foreign examples. And he stated: "Foreign style gun control is doomed to failure in America. Foreign gun control comes along with searches and seizures, and with many other restrictions on civil liberties too intrusive for America. Foreign gun control...postulates an authoritarian philosophy of government fundamentally at odds with the individualist and egalitarian American ethos."10

America's high crime rates can be attributed to re volving-door justice. In a typical year in the U.S., there are 8.1 million serious crimes like homicide, assault, and burglary. Only 724,000 adults are arrested and fewer still (193,000) are convicted. Less than 150,000 are sentenced to prison, with 36,00 0 serving less than a year (U.S. News and World Report, July 31, 1989). A 1987 National Institute of Justice study found that the average felon released due to prison overcrowding commits upwards of 187 crimes per year, costing society approximately $430, 000.

Foreign countries are two to six times more effective in solving crimes and punishing criminals than the U.S. In London, about 20% of reported robberies end in conviction; in New York City, less than 5% result in conviction, and in those cases imprisonment is frequently not imposed. Nonetheless, England annually has twice as many homicides with firearms as it did before adopting its tough laws. Despite tight licensing procedures, the handgun-related robbery rate in Britain rose about 200% duri ng the past dozen years, five times as fast as in the U.S.

Part of Japan's low crime rate is explained by the efficiency of its criminal justice system, fewer protections of the right to privacy, and fewer rights for criminal suspects than exist in the United States. Japanese police routinely search citizens at will and twice a year pay "home visits" to citizens' residences. Suspect confession rate is 95% and trial conviction rate is over 99.9%. The Tokyo Bar Association has said that the Japanese police routinely "...engage in torture or illegal treatment. Even in cases where suspects claimed to have been tortured and their bodies bore the physical traces to back their claims, courts have still accepted their confessions." Neither the powers and secrecy of the police nor the docility of defense counsel would be acceptable to most Americans. In addition, the Japanese police understate the amount of crime, particularly covering up the problem of organized crime, in order to appear more efficient an d worthy of the respect the citizens have for the police.

Widespread respect for law and order is deeply ingrained in the Japanese citizenry. This cultural trait has been passed along to their descendants in the United States where the murder ratef or Japanese-Americans (who have access to firearms) is similar to that in Japan itself. If gun availability were a factor in crime rates, one would expect European crime rates to be related to firearms availability in those countries, but crime rat es are similar in European countries with high or relatively high gun ownership, such as Switzerland, Israel, and Norway, and in low availability countries like England and Germany. Furthermore, one would expect American violent crime rates to be more sim ilar to European rates in crime where guns are rarely used, such as rape, than in crimes where guns are often used, such as homicide. But the reverse is true: American non-gun violent crime rates exceed those of European countries.


9 Wright, et al ., Under the Gun: Weapons, Crime and Violence in America (N.Y.: Aldine, 1983).
10 Kopel, "The Samurai, The Mountie, and the Cowboy: Should America adopt the gun controls of other democracies?' (Buffalo, N.Y.: Prometheus Books, 1992), 431-32.

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[Stephanie]

Thanks for a well thought-out and constructive post.

Not.

Says the person who merely posted a picture someone else made up. Lots of thinking there

ouch

 

[Stephanie]

anyone see Obama's plan to make you all Julias/Julians?

he's superman and he has a plan man