PROOF of Nature's God

[ding]

I think you have it backwards. All matter and energy are fields.


Inflation

Probability waves aren't matter or energy. So no, I don't have it backwards.

Inflation is based upon what I have been describing to you.

The Early Universe

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[ding]

Bad analogy. In the quantum world the vase is both on the table and not on the table.

It's an excellent analogy. We aren't discussing the quantum world. We are discussing the unnaturalness of the universe being hardwired for life. There is no quantum state for the structure of matter being tuned for life versus a structure of matter not tuned for life.

 

[ding]

In the quantum world the vase is both on the table and not on the table.

But if this were the quantum world, the vase would be both on the table and broken on the floor. Not perfectly balanced half on and half off the table. That would be an unnatural state.

The cat was either alive or dead. The cat wasn't half alive and half dead.

 

[alang1216]

Probability waves aren't matter or energy. So no, I don't have it backwards.

I thought at the quantum level particles are waves and waves are particles.

Inflation is based upon what I have been describing to you.

So where did you find that inflation came from nothing? I didn't see that.

 

[ding]

I thought at the quantum level particles are waves and waves are particles.


So where did you find that inflation came from nothing? I didn't see that.

Sure, for particles that have been created from nothing.

Inflation theory is part and parcel of what I have been discussing. If you have a different explanation for how the CMB could be created without matter particles and anti-matter particles annihilation, I'm all ears. If you have a different explanation for how those matter particles and anti-matter particles were created, I'm all ears.

• Answers from Grand Unified Theory (GUTS).
  • Inflationary Universe
    • At very early times, all fundamental forces were unified
    • Giving rise to vacuum energy
    • Causing rapid acceleration of expansion of the universe
    • Inflationary Epoch

The Early Universe

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The Early Universe

 

[hobelim]

I have no issue with the BB, only with your theory of what preceded it. There are other theories out there.

The astonishing thing to me here is that many people profess to believe that genesis, the story of the creation of heaven and earth, parallels perfectly the BB theory which of course it doesn't.

According to genesis the earth was already in existence before God said, "let there be light".

This alone shows that Genesis is not and never was about science, the BB, the creation of the solar system, the earth, or the first plants, animals, and human beings.

It is about the time 6000 years ago when the Law was given by an 'otherworldly" intelligence as "a light to the nations" in a world that was (for billions of years) without shape or form and void,(lawless and exceedingly pointless), where darkness (superstition,ignorance) covered the face of the deep, (the unknown), specifically to instruct human beings on how to protect the sanctity of their own minds and to have a peaceful, exalted, and far more fulfilling experience of life on earth culminating in a life that will never end even after biological death.

Sadly, most of those professed believers in God obviously prefer darkness to light because their deeds are evil and so they have never mastered the law. They don't even try.

If they did they would not consistently confuse faith with obstinate stupidity.

 

[Cougarbear]

Wheres the proof of any god?
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. A guy writes a piece and suddenly god is fact. I don't think so.

Let me re-write your last sentence to correct it: "I don't think." There, now it makes sense

 

[ding]

The astonishing thing to me here is that many people profess to believe that genesis, the story of the creation of heaven and earth, parallels perfectly the BB theory which of course it doesn't.

According to genesis the earth was already in existence before God said, "let there be light".

It's not a science book. But if it were.... it would be correct. The universe was totally opaque - there was no light in the universe - until after radiation began decoupling from matter.

"...This was the moment of first light in the universe, between 240,000 and 300,000 years after the Big Bang, known as the Era of Recombination. The first time that photons could rest for a second, attached as electrons to atoms. It was at this point that the universe went from being totally opaque, to transparent.​

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And this is the earliest possible light that astronomers can see..."​

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When was the first light in the universe?

The speed of light gives us an amazing tool for studying the universe. Because light only travels a mere 300,000 kilometers per second, when we see distant objects, we're looking back in time.

phys.org

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[alang1216]

Sure, for particles that have been created from nothing.

Inflation theory is part and parcel of what I have been discussing. If you have a different explanation for how the CMB could be created without matter particles and anti-matter particles annihilation, I'm all ears. If you have a different explanation for how those matter particles and anti-matter particles were created, I'm all ears.

• Answers from Grand Unified Theory (GUTS).
  • Inflationary Universe
    • At very early times, all fundamental forces were unified
    • Giving rise to vacuum energy
    • Causing rapid acceleration of expansion of the universe
    • Inflationary Epoch

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The Early Universe

pages.uoregon.edu

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The Early Universe

Which of those state nothing became something?

 

[alang1216]

The astonishing thing to me here is that many people profess to believe that genesis, the story of the creation of heaven and earth, parallels perfectly the BB theory which of course it doesn't.

According to genesis the earth was already in existence before God said, "let there be light".

This alone shows that Genesis is not and never was about science, the BB, the creation of the solar system, the earth, or the first plants, animals, and human beings.

It is about the time 6000 years ago when the Law was given by an 'otherworldly" intelligence as "a light to the nations" in a world that was (for billions of years) without shape or form and void,(lawless and exceedingly pointless), where darkness (superstition,ignorance) covered the face of the deep, (the unknown), specifically to instruct human beings on how to protect the sanctity of their own minds and to have a peaceful, exalted, and far more fulfilling experience of life on earth culminating in a life that will never end even after biological death.

Sadly, most of those professed believers in God obviously prefer darkness to light because their deeds are evil and so they have never mastered the law. They don't even try.

If they did they would not consistently confuse faith with obstinate stupidity.

Thanks, I always like hearing from someone who knows the hidden truths that no one else knows.

 

[ding]

Which of those state nothing became something?

The whole theory states that. The universe was created. It did not always exist. It had a beginning. You want to believe it was created from pre-existing material, but that is not the case and is not supported by the evidence.

 

[ding]

Which of those state nothing became something?

What you need to keep in mind is the speed and magnitude of the creation event. Look at the inflation period on this plot. Look at the time it took for inflation to occur. See how fast of an event this was? It was effectively a spontaneous event. As for the magnitude, there are ~one billion photons of CMB radiation for every proton in the universe. So the magnitude of the event is equal to two billion times the matter in the universe. We know this because that's how much background microwave radiation was left over. And all of this started in the space of a single proton.

 

[Astrostar]

Leave it to a godless Leftist (but I repeat myself) to misconstrue, spin, and mislead, every time.

My point in making this thread is to offer ~250 pages of scientific evidence of Nature's God, as He is called in our Declaration of Independence. This is THE very same "God" whose name appears on every dollar bill you have ever spent, every five dollar bill you have ever spent, every ten dollar bill you have ever spent, every twenty dollar bill you have ever spent, every penny and nickel and dime and quarter and half dollar you have ever spent. The VERY same God to whom Americans "pledge allegiance", unless they are cynical, bitter atheists.

You show yourself to be petty with your ad hominem attack, which misses the entire point of the title, "PROOF of Nature's God." Don't you want to learn? Or are you afraid to learn? Obviously both.

Sorry, not even a nice try. Your proof that a "god" exists is equivalent to Trump's "proof" of a stolen election. Back to the drawing board.

 

[ding]

Which of those state nothing became something?

If you want to be difficult about it... The guy who wrote the paper on inflation is Alan Guth. One of the authors of the BGV theorem.

The Borde–Guth–Vilenkin theorem, or the BGV theorem, is a theorem in physical cosmology which deduces that any universe that has, on average, been expanding throughout its history cannot be infinite in the past but must have a past spacetime boundary.[1]

Borde–Guth–Vilenkin theorem - Wikipedia

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The Borde-Guth-Vilenkin singularity theorem (or BGV theorem) was developed in 2003 by; Arvind Borde, Alan Guth and Alex Vilenkin. The BGV theorem has become widely respected and accepted within the physics community. The theorem is based on, what Alan Guth calls a "well-known fact", something traveling on a geodesic through an expanding universe becomes redshifted.

The conclusion of the BGV theorem is that there need only be on average an expansion rate along the geodesic of more than zero for there to be a space-time boundary and therefore a cosmic beginning.

"It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. With the proof now in place, cosmologists can no longer hide behind the possibility of a past eternal universe. There is no escape, they have to face the problem of a cosmic beginning."
Alexander Vilenkin, Many Worlds In One, New York: Hill and Wang, 2006, p176

 

[ding]

Which of those state nothing became something?

Just so you know... inflation theory - which you threw out as something different from what I have been describing - is actually what I have been describing as it was inflation theory which led to the BGV theorem.

The modern explanation for the metric expansion of space was proposed by physicist Alan Guth in 1979 while investigating the problem of why no magnetic monopoles are seen today. Guth found in his investigation that if the universe contained a field that has a positive-energy false vacuum state, then according to general relativity it would generate an exponential expansion of space. It was very quickly realized that such an expansion would resolve many other long-standing problems. These problems arise from the observation that to look as it does today, the universe would have to have started from very finely tuned, or "special" initial conditions at the Big Bang. Inflation theory largely resolves these problems as well, thus making a universe like ours much more likely in the context of Big Bang theory.

No field responsible for cosmic inflation has been discovered. However such a field, if found in the future, would be scalar. The first similar scalar field proven to exist was only discovered in 2012–2013 and is still being researched. So it is not seen as problematic that a field responsible for cosmic inflation and the metric expansion of space has not yet been discovered.[citation needed]

The proposed field and its quanta (the subatomic particles related to it) have been named inflaton. If this field did not exist, scientists would have to propose a different explanation for all the observations that strongly suggest a metric expansion of space has occurred, and is still occurring much more slowly today.

Expansion of the universe - Wikipedia

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[ChemEngineer]

Sadly, most of those professed believers in God obviously prefer darkness to light because their deeds are evil and so they have never mastered the law. They don't even try.

If they did they would not consistently confuse faith with obstinate stupidity.

1. "Atheism is an essential part of socialism." - Vladimir Lenin, who with other godless Leftists murdered over 100,000,000 innocent humans.
2. The overwhelming majority of scientists, particularly Nobel Laureates, are believers.
3. The number and percentage of atheist Nobel Laureates in science is abysmally low.
So much for your lies.

You should stop lying. Lying is a sin, not that you give a damn.

Let's Examine Claims of Atheists

 

[Hollie]

1. "Atheism is an essential part of socialism." - Vladimir Lenin, who with other godless Leftists murdered over 100,000,000 innocent humans.
2. The overwhelming majority of scientists, particularly Nobel Laureates, are believers.
3. The number and percentage of atheist Nobel Laureates in science is abysmally low.
So much for your lies.

You should stop lying. Lying is a sin, not that you give a damn.

Let's Examine Claims of Atheists

As usual, you lie for your extremist religious beliefs. That's not uncommon for the hyper-religious.

Scientists and Belief

When President Barack Obama announced on July 8, 2009, that he would nominate renowned geneticist Francis Collins to be the new director of the National

www.pewforum.org

Finally, the poll of scientists finds that four-in-ten scientists (41%) say they do not believe in God or a higher power, while the poll of the public finds that only 4% of Americans share this view.

 

[BreezeWood]

The whole theory states that. The universe was created. It did not always exist. It had a beginning. You want to believe it was created from pre-existing material, but that is not the case and is not supported by the evidence.

the fact is being cyclical the universe both had a beginning and has always existed ... renewal is ever present on planet Earth as the natural example.

 

[BreezeWood]

1. "Atheism is an essential part of socialism." - Vladimir Lenin, who with other godless Leftists murdered over 100,000,000 innocent humans.
2. The overwhelming majority of scientists, particularly Nobel Laureates, are believers.
3. The number and percentage of atheist Nobel Laureates in science is abysmally low.
So much for your lies.

You should stop lying. Lying is a sin, not that you give a damn.

Let's Examine Claims of Atheists

You should stop lying. Lying is a sin, not that you give a damn.

every category you wrote is in one way or another a devious misconception - you have chosen a layer below that of even lying - good luck along your path of self destruction.

 

[ding]

the fact is being cyclical the universe both had a beginning and has always existed ... renewal is ever present on planet Earth as the natural example.

Link?