Question For Normal People.Does Anyone Actually Believe There Was A Hillary Bounce?

Other than the fact the jobs are gone for good? Nothing. Trump nor any president can force a company to come back here to make things.
You are a fucking idiot. The same policies that pushed the businesses out can reverse and bring them back in.

Go back to your porn, doofus.

Nobody "pushed" companies out of this country. The republicans just passed bills that encouraged them with tax benefits. There is no point talking about it with someone so misinformed.
Clinton signed NAFTA.
 
And Clinton support repeal of Glass-Stegal. You are a Democrat robot. Fuck the party. They fucked over me, you, and millions of others thinking we would be lemmings and vote for them every November. No sir. Fuck them.
You are the one being hyper-partisan here. I am well aware of the part Clinton and the democrats played in setting up the house of cards and believe this: I do not hold them blameless. As I said earlier, Trump will be my reason for voting. I once said that I would never cast a vote for Clinton but you guys had to go and nominate someone so terribly horribly bad I will have to break my promise to myself. If for nothing else you guys suck for that.
What's so bad about standing up for America and bringing jobs back?

Other than the fact the jobs are gone for good? Nothing. Trump nor any president can force a company to come back here to make things.
Oh but yes he will. Never talk defeat. That is what Wall Street wants. They want you to give up. No...he will.

Rubbish!
If you we cannot sell products in China...then those ports on West Coast will be closed to them. If Wall Street investors lose $$$$ too fucking bad. Nobody cared about U.S. Workers who lost jobs.
 
You are the one being hyper-partisan here. I am well aware of the part Clinton and the democrats played in setting up the house of cards and believe this: I do not hold them blameless. As I said earlier, Trump will be my reason for voting. I once said that I would never cast a vote for Clinton but you guys had to go and nominate someone so terribly horribly bad I will have to break my promise to myself. If for nothing else you guys suck for that.
What's so bad about standing up for America and bringing jobs back?

Other than the fact the jobs are gone for good? Nothing. Trump nor any president can force a company to come back here to make things.
Oh but yes he will. Never talk defeat. That is what Wall Street wants. They want you to give up. No...he will.

Rubbish!
If you we cannot sell products in China...then those ports on West Coast will be closed to them. If Wall Street investors lose $$$$ too fucking bad. Nobody cared about U.S. Workers who lost jobs.
Any president can make it so that jobs come back to the USA....democrats don't want jobs here...they simply can't afford the plantation to have jobs,..
 
Oh but yes he will. Never talk defeat. That is what Wall Street wants. They want you to give up. No...he will.
Rubbish!
If you we cannot sell products in China...then those ports on West Coast will be closed to them. If Wall Street investors lose $$$$ too fucking bad. Nobody cared about U.S. Workers who lost jobs.
Huggy doesnt care if American workers have jobs come back or not.

He is a partisan hack who will happily say the most ludicrous things with a straight face if the thinks it helps Hillary get elected.
 
Normal people do respond favorably to optimism and positivity. What does it say about you that you can only vote your fears?

The positive offered by Clinton and the Democrats is false, and therefore negative.

Neither Trump nor Clinton have the power to just throw out NAFTA and the Pacific Rim treaties. Saying they will is just bullshit. At best they can wait til it is time to renew the treaties and act then.

Nonsense.
 
I am sure she got a bit of a bounce but it has peaked. Her campaign is messing up trying to go toe to toe with Trump with these "Trump is evil" stories. That Can't Trust Trump With A Nuke was a good line and it was getting lots of airplay, but now it is "Trump insults Muslim Soldier family".

Trump's Achilles heel is actually substantive policy. He has nothing meaningful and cannot even articulate much of a consistent concept, let alone tear apart Hillary on them. Hillary is being sucked down the same rabbit hole as 16 republicans. She needs to hammer her policy proposals and ignore Trump. Donald won't be able to keep up.

Thing is Hillary is not talking about the Khans... IT is other Repubicans who are doing the damage..
 
we are back to about 45/45,,,,,,11/13%ish are still undecided.

which just means they know they aren't voting for Trump, but just can't admit to voting for Hillary yet.

Here's the real problem. People know Trump is a buffoon.
 
I am sure she got a bit of a bounce but it has peaked. Her campaign is messing up trying to go toe to toe with Trump with these "Trump is evil" stories. That Can't Trust Trump With A Nuke was a good line and it was getting lots of airplay, but now it is "Trump insults Muslim Soldier family".

Trump's Achilles heel is actually substantive policy. He has nothing meaningful and cannot even articulate much of a consistent concept, let alone tear apart Hillary on them. Hillary is being sucked down the same rabbit hole as 16 republicans. She needs to hammer her policy proposals and ignore Trump. Donald won't be able to keep up.

Thing is Hillary is not talking about the Khans... IT is other Repubicans who are doing the damage..

Yup. The ones who lost, or are losing, or are essentially Democrats anyway.
 
"I don't like what that poll says, so there's something wrong with the poll".

:laugh:

Partisans are funny.
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You mean infrastructure? Great idea. Our bridges and roads are falling apart.

Gw bush doubled the debt and spent nothing on infrastructure for 8 years

We've collected gasoline taxes that were supposed to go towards fixing our bridges and roads all along, Sealy but those monies were diverted to help pay for the entitlements you liberals can't live without. So don't blame the state of our roads and bridges on conservatives.
I just resent the baby boomers who had job security, good pay and benefits, pensions, savings, good interest, affordable college, cheap healthcare, social security, Medicare, and now say we can't afford all that stuff.

And many of them didn't even go to school! My parents. Both worked 20 years dad at Ford mom was medical biller. They are worth $700k. How many people in this generation will have that when they retire?

But on a positive note corporate profits are thru the roof and CEO pay is up

What do Baby Boomers have to do with Government diverting monies taxed to fix roads and bridges to pay for entitlements?

Your parents were members of the UAW, a union that kept demanding increases in wages and benefits until it was no longer possible to make a profit on a car made in America. You want to blame someone for our inability to afford stuff now? Ask your parents what their pension is!
Way to kick an American worker for demanding that their wages keep pace with the cost of living. People like you like to blame unions when it was really a bunch of very rich people and their pet politicians who thought it would be really cool to make our working class compete directly with Chinese peasant labor without a hint of protectionism.

I'm "kicking" American workers when I point out that UAW union demands for ridiculously high pay and benefit packages helped make it impossible to build cars in the US and make a profit? Those wages didn't keep pace with the cost of living and your claim that was all they wanted is laughable!
So because they wanted high pay you took your ball and went home and now you are saying you want to bring those jobs back home? How much will those jobs pay when they come back? $10 hr?

Why would you pay uneducated blue collar any more than that?

Im having a hard time believing you
 
I don't agree with the Democratic Party's policies but did think they were miles ahead of the GOP in putting on their convention. I've grown accustomed to being more entertained by their convention but this year I found the GOP's effort was especially lacking. But then I thought Trump was a disaster to begin with. Not that I'm planning to vote for Hillary but when I was able to sit through her entire acceptance speech I really worried and told my wife, "I think it's over, Hillary has won".

So yes, I believe I saw the bounce happening and poll numbers are now backing that perception up.
 
I believe that Trump has always had a 8/10 point lead over Hillary from the start. I never believed any polls coming from leftist networks that over sample the rats
 
According to may other polls there has been some kind of bounce but they have also changed their polling method. Polls are becoming as biased as mainsteam news.
 
I believe that Trump has always had a 8/10 point lead over Hillary from the start. I never believed any polls coming from leftist networks that over sample the rats

What did you believe it BASED ON?
national polls are very hard to take. how can a pollster talk to, lets say 3000 people in the 50 states and come up with conclusion? If anything, they only really need to concentrate on is the rust belt. we all know thats where its going to come down to.
 
We've collected gasoline taxes that were supposed to go towards fixing our bridges and roads all along, Sealy but those monies were diverted to help pay for the entitlements you liberals can't live without. So don't blame the state of our roads and bridges on conservatives.
I just resent the baby boomers who had job security, good pay and benefits, pensions, savings, good interest, affordable college, cheap healthcare, social security, Medicare, and now say we can't afford all that stuff.

And many of them didn't even go to school! My parents. Both worked 20 years dad at Ford mom was medical biller. They are worth $700k. How many people in this generation will have that when they retire?

But on a positive note corporate profits are thru the roof and CEO pay is up

What do Baby Boomers have to do with Government diverting monies taxed to fix roads and bridges to pay for entitlements?

Your parents were members of the UAW, a union that kept demanding increases in wages and benefits until it was no longer possible to make a profit on a car made in America. You want to blame someone for our inability to afford stuff now? Ask your parents what their pension is!
Way to kick an American worker for demanding that their wages keep pace with the cost of living. People like you like to blame unions when it was really a bunch of very rich people and their pet politicians who thought it would be really cool to make our working class compete directly with Chinese peasant labor without a hint of protectionism.

I'm "kicking" American workers when I point out that UAW union demands for ridiculously high pay and benefit packages helped make it impossible to build cars in the US and make a profit? Those wages didn't keep pace with the cost of living and your claim that was all they wanted is laughable!
So because they wanted high pay you took your ball and went home and now you are saying you want to bring those jobs back home? How much will those jobs pay when they come back? $10 hr?

Why would you pay uneducated blue collar any more than that?

Im having a hard time believing you

You're the one who can't bring themselves to honestly look at WHY jobs left, Sealy! If an auto worker made high pay and the auto company still made a profit producing a car then it's a good thing for everyone including the UAW because that job is worth that wage! That isn't what happened though. We reached an absurd point where US car companies were losing money on each vehicle that rolled off an American assembly line and only making money on vehicles that were made elsewhere! Jobs have to pay what jobs are worth in a free market. When a wage is set artificially by either the government or by union extortion it eventually leads to problems like job exportation. You are NEVER going to get those jobs back if you don't let the market determine the wage.
 
:2up: :banana: :stupid: And who is taking the polls that claim Hillary has a 7 point bounce? And how many were polled? 1000? 2000? 3000?, what about the other 297 Million People?
:smartass: No normal/intelligent fair minded American buys/falls for any of these polls. And why do the polls change every week? One week we have Trump ahead by 15 points, next week Hillary is ahead by 5,,then next week Trump is ahead by 10, then the following week its a tie.
Get the point? Maybe we should just ask our friends/neighbors instead? And why does Hillary need to campaign in Penn/Ohio? Didnt we all assume she has already won those states? :hellno:

I don't have to claim anything. reality does.

how is president Romney doing? you idiots did the same thing then.
 

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