Question for those on the left

[jon_berzerk]

in case you didnt know it

currently obama is the face of the government

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

OK, here's the point------------ready?

governments have only 3 sources of money

1. tax collections
2. borrowing
3. printing

our government has been doing all three and the results are: 1. 17 trillion in debt 2. inflation in food and energy prices 3. a weak dollar internationally.

If this continues our nation is headed for bankruptcy and chaos. Liberalism by both parties got us in this mess, coupled with legalized bribery of congress by lobbyists.

The fixes are difficult but possible:
1. a balanced budget amendment with some real teeth
2. term limits for congress

I've been saying that for a long time. For some stupid reason a lot of Conservatives here do not support term limits..

I think some of them fear losing "their guy". Said another way, they don't want to cut off the pork.

The Founders never intended for government to become a way of life. They wanted ordinary citizens to represent ordinary citizens, not the elite who believe they are owed it. Term Limits is past due.

 

[occupied]

in case you didnt know it

currently obama is the face of the government

Not to me but then I am aware of the actual nature of our governmnet and where the real power actually lies.

 

[dilloduck]

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I've been saying that for a long time. For some stupid reason a lot of Conservatives here do not support term limits..

I think some of them fear losing "their guy". Said another way, they don't want to cut off the pork.

The Founders never intended for government to become a way of life. They wanted ordinary citizens to represent ordinary citizens, not the elite who believe they are owed it. Term Limits is past due.

Power corrupts humans--they need to be saved from themselves. Ultimately SCOTUS will rule on it if it ever passes because I think it's a first amendment issue.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Thats what kills me about liberals. At some point any thinking person will turn on a crooked government,even if it's their own party.
Yet here we have a president who has been inept at best and criminal at worst...yet they still follow him.
When does it become about country liberals?

When does it stop being all about hating the president? You people have put Obama's face on everything you find bad about the government and actually seem to think simply getting him out of office will solve all kinds of problems. There is only one problem that will be solved, your horror of a black man in the oval office. Wait, you say you are not racist like that? Then zero problems will be solved with his eventual departure.

This coming from the Dog and Pony HATE Boooooosh show.. What fucking irony.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Thats what kills me about liberals. At some point any thinking person will turn on a crooked government,even if it's their own party.
Yet here we have a president who has been inept at best and criminal at worst...yet they still follow him.
When does it become about country liberals?

When does it stop being all about hating the president? You people have put Obama's face on everything you find bad about the government and actually seem to think simply getting him out of office will solve all kinds of problems. There is only one problem that will be solved, your horror of a black man in the oval office. Wait, you say you are not racist like that? Then zero problems will be solved with his eventual departure.

A little shrill there....And stuff your racist comments up your bunghole.
The guy is a disaster no matter what color he is. This country and the world are going to shit because of HIS policies. Look around you,or are you to blind from the shine off your messiah to see?

 

[Camp]

Who pays taxes?

and where does the rest come from----------taxes only provide 60% of government spending.

People and business pay them.

When is your point coming? Can we cut to the chase.

OK, here's the point------------ready?

governments have only 3 sources of money

1. tax collections
2. borrowing
3. printing

our government has been doing all three and the results are: 1. 17 trillion in debt 2. inflation in food and energy prices 3. a weak dollar internationally.

If this continues our nation is headed for bankruptcy and chaos. Liberalism by both parties got us in this mess, coupled with legalized bribery of congress by lobbyists.

The fixes are difficult but possible:
1. a balanced budget amendment with some real teeth
2. term limits for congress

You have left out the corporate and billionaires main source of income, publicly owned property, assets and natural resources. If the government collected efficiently and fairly on those, taxes would not be needed.

 

[Redfish]

Thats what kills me about liberals. At some point any thinking person will turn on a crooked government,even if it's their own party.
Yet here we have a president who has been inept at best and criminal at worst...yet they still follow him.
When does it become about country liberals?

there is only one answer: Liberalism is a mental disease. It blocks the ability to think rationally and logically.

 

[occupied]

Thats what kills me about liberals. At some point any thinking person will turn on a crooked government,even if it's their own party.
Yet here we have a president who has been inept at best and criminal at worst...yet they still follow him.
When does it become about country liberals?

When does it stop being all about hating the president? You people have put Obama's face on everything you find bad about the government and actually seem to think simply getting him out of office will solve all kinds of problems. There is only one problem that will be solved, your horror of a black man in the oval office. Wait, you say you are not racist like that? Then zero problems will be solved with his eventual departure.

A little shrill there....And stuff your racist comments up your bunghole.
The guy is a disaster no matter what color he is. This country and the world are going to shit because of HIS policies. Look around you,or are you to blind from the shine off your messiah to see?

I do not see politicians as the answer to anything, that's more of a republican phenomena. If the next president happens to be a republican you people will put your "don't tread on me" flags in the closet and become blind nationalists on a scale the democrats could never achieve in their wildest dreams.

 

[Redfish]

People and business pay them.

When is your point coming? Can we cut to the chase.

OK, here's the point------------ready?

governments have only 3 sources of money

1. tax collections
2. borrowing
3. printing

our government has been doing all three and the results are: 1. 17 trillion in debt 2. inflation in food and energy prices 3. a weak dollar internationally.

If this continues our nation is headed for bankruptcy and chaos. Liberalism by both parties got us in this mess, coupled with legalized bribery of congress by lobbyists.

The fixes are difficult but possible:
1. a balanced budget amendment with some real teeth
2. term limits for congress

You have left out the corporate and billionaires main source of income, publicly owned property, assets and natural resources. If the government collected efficiently and fairly on those, taxes would not be needed.

I assume you are talking about taxing oil recovery on public lands. Do you have any idea who makes the most profit on every gallon of gasoline produced in this country------------------------------the government.

And if you put more taxes on energy production, who do you think is going to pay it? It would be a cost of doing business and would be passed along to the consumers.

You libs have a very limited understanding of economics and tax law.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

When does it stop being all about hating the president? You people have put Obama's face on everything you find bad about the government and actually seem to think simply getting him out of office will solve all kinds of problems. There is only one problem that will be solved, your horror of a black man in the oval office. Wait, you say you are not racist like that? Then zero problems will be solved with his eventual departure.

A little shrill there....And stuff your racist comments up your bunghole.
The guy is a disaster no matter what color he is. This country and the world are going to shit because of HIS policies. Look around you,or are you to blind from the shine off your messiah to see?

I do not see politicians as the answer to anything, that's more of a republican phenomena. If the next president happens to be a republican you people will put your "don't tread on me" flags in the closet and become blind nationalists on a scale the democrats could never achieve in their wildest dreams.

You couldn't tell the truth if your life depended on it. EVERYONE knows Conservatives are for less government while you liberal nitwits want expansive government intrusion.

 

[Camp]

OK, here's the point------------ready?

governments have only 3 sources of money

1. tax collections
2. borrowing
3. printing

our government has been doing all three and the results are: 1. 17 trillion in debt 2. inflation in food and energy prices 3. a weak dollar internationally.

If this continues our nation is headed for bankruptcy and chaos. Liberalism by both parties got us in this mess, coupled with legalized bribery of congress by lobbyists.

The fixes are difficult but possible:
1. a balanced budget amendment with some real teeth
2. term limits for congress

You have left out the corporate and billionaires main source of income, publicly owned property, assets and natural resources. If the government collected efficiently and fairly on those, taxes would not be needed.

I assume you are talking about taxing oil recovery on public lands. Do you have any idea who makes the most profit on every gallon of gasoline produced in this country------------------------------the government.

And if you put more taxes on energy production, who do you think is going to pay it? It would be a cost of doing business and would be passed along to the consumers.

You libs have a very limited understanding of economics and tax law.

You assumed wrong. And obtaining fair prices for products, services and resources is not a liberal concept. It is a concept appreciated and used by conservatives as well as liberals.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

You have left out the corporate and billionaires main source of income, publicly owned property, assets and natural resources. If the government collected efficiently and fairly on those, taxes would not be needed.

I assume you are talking about taxing oil recovery on public lands. Do you have any idea who makes the most profit on every gallon of gasoline produced in this country------------------------------the government.

And if you put more taxes on energy production, who do you think is going to pay it? It would be a cost of doing business and would be passed along to the consumers.

You libs have a very limited understanding of economics and tax law.

You assumed wrong. And obtaining fair prices for products, services and resources is not a liberal concept. It is a concept appreciated and used by conservatives as well as liberals.

WRONG. Price controls are completely a leftist/Stalinist concept.

 

[jillian]

Where does the government get its money?

blue states

GOP States Are The Most Dependent On Government

 

[jillian]

I assume you are talking about taxing oil recovery on public lands. Do you have any idea who makes the most profit on every gallon of gasoline produced in this country------------------------------the government.

And if you put more taxes on energy production, who do you think is going to pay it? It would be a cost of doing business and would be passed along to the consumers.

You libs have a very limited understanding of economics and tax law.

You assumed wrong. And obtaining fair prices for products, services and resources is not a liberal concept. It is a concept appreciated and used by conservatives as well as liberals.

WRONG. Price controls are completely a leftist/Stalinist concept.

being left is not being a stalinist or even socialist.

before you opine you should get your definitions straight.

 

[occupied]

A little shrill there....And stuff your racist comments up your bunghole.
The guy is a disaster no matter what color he is. This country and the world are going to shit because of HIS policies. Look around you,or are you to blind from the shine off your messiah to see?

I do not see politicians as the answer to anything, that's more of a republican phenomena. If the next president happens to be a republican you people will put your "don't tread on me" flags in the closet and become blind nationalists on a scale the democrats could never achieve in their wildest dreams.

You couldn't tell the truth if your life depended on it. EVERYONE knows Conservatives are for less government while you liberal nitwits want expansive government intrusion.

Sorry, watched you all do it when Bush took over from Clinton and then switch back to being fantasy revolutionaries when Obama came in. I have no faith that any of your anti-government rhetoric is real. You just want republican hands on the levers of power not to actually curtail that power in any meaningful way. Republicans had every opportunity to make good on their stated values and instead expanded executive powers beyond all reason.

 

[Redfish]

You have left out the corporate and billionaires main source of income, publicly owned property, assets and natural resources. If the government collected efficiently and fairly on those, taxes would not be needed.

I assume you are talking about taxing oil recovery on public lands. Do you have any idea who makes the most profit on every gallon of gasoline produced in this country------------------------------the government.

And if you put more taxes on energy production, who do you think is going to pay it? It would be a cost of doing business and would be passed along to the consumers.

You libs have a very limited understanding of economics and tax law.

You assumed wrong. And obtaining fair prices for products, services and resources is not a liberal concept. It is a concept appreciated and used by conservatives as well as liberals.

"fair prices" is a meaningless term. Supply and demand set the price of everything on earth. Price fixing does not work, never has, never will.

Its amazing how you libs always try to insert "FAIR" into every issue. WTF does "fair" have to do with where the govt gets its money? Is it 'fair' that half of the population pays nothing for the government services it receives?

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

I do not see politicians as the answer to anything, that's more of a republican phenomena. If the next president happens to be a republican you people will put your "don't tread on me" flags in the closet and become blind nationalists on a scale the democrats could never achieve in their wildest dreams.

You couldn't tell the truth if your life depended on it. EVERYONE knows Conservatives are for less government while you liberal nitwits want expansive government intrusion.

Sorry, watched you all do it when Bush took over from Clinton and then switch back to being fantasy revolutionaries when Obama came in. I have no faith that any of your anti-government rhetoric is real. You just want republican hands on the levers of power not to actually curtail that power in any meaningful way. Republicans had every opportunity to make good on their stated values and instead expanded executive powers beyond all reason.

All of us who???? Show me links.. You never saw me do anything of the sort Spunkmeister.. SHOW ME or it didn't happen.

 

[Redfish]

Where does the government get its money?

blue states

GOP States Are The Most Dependent On Government

we will gladly ship our welfare recipients to California, when will the buses arrive? Oh, I forgot, your stats are on a per capita basis, not actual dollars spent. typical.

 

[Camp]

I assume you are talking about taxing oil recovery on public lands. Do you have any idea who makes the most profit on every gallon of gasoline produced in this country------------------------------the government.

And if you put more taxes on energy production, who do you think is going to pay it? It would be a cost of doing business and would be passed along to the consumers.

You libs have a very limited understanding of economics and tax law.

You assumed wrong. And obtaining fair prices for products, services and resources is not a liberal concept. It is a concept appreciated and used by conservatives as well as liberals.

WRONG. Price controls are completely a leftist/Stalinist concept.

I didn't say anything about price controls. Obtaining fair prices has nothing to do with price controls. Price controls are the forced use of unfair and unnatural prices and hence unfair prices.