Question

[Foxfyre]

Many have asked why government didn't have insights into missing classified material .. being irresponsible and not having insights to manage this material ....

this is the same government many ask to run our healthcare ..

But I haven't seen the media questioning the HUGE double standard in this boondoggle of a mess. At no time has the government/Democrats exercised the principle of fairness, equal protection, or due process when it comes to Donald Trump.

And I have always suspected the deep state runs very deep--speaking of rabbit holes--and now there is excellent reason to believe even the National Archives is part of it.

 

[The Banker]

And now Pence found classified documents he says were inadvertently boxed up and sent to his Indiana home.

This on top of the drip-drip-drip of classified docs found in Biden's home and the Penn Biden Center.

All documents presumably they should not have had.

But only Trump's Mar-a-lago home was raided and savaged in the wee hours of the morning to retrieve illegal classified documents so we were told.

QUESTION:

How is it the National Archives didn't know anything about all those documents in Biden's and Pence's possession, never asked for them back, didn't advise the FBI they were missing, but notified the FBI that Trump was illegally keeping documents at Mar-a-lago?

Because Biden and Pence only had a very very small number of documents

Trump had hundreds of documents

In addition the archive very nicely asked Trump for the documents back, he lied - like he always does- and then they got a court order to find the documents. And ohh boy what they found was so bad.

Biden and Pence made a small mistake and lost track of a small number of documents, trump stole hundreds of documents and lied about them...

 

[Foxfyre]

Maybe there is an overclassification of documents going on in DC.

Perhaps. But why the double standard? And why would NARA only know about classified docs in Trump's possession but not know that the docs in Biden's and Pence's possession were missing?

It just doesn't add up.

 

[jotathought]

But I haven't seen the media questioning the HUGE double standard in this boondoggle of a mess. At no time has the government/Democrats exercised the principle of fairness, equal protection, or due process when it comes to Donald Trump.

And I have always suspected the deep state runs very deep--speaking of rabbit holes--and now there is excellent reason to believe even the National Archives is part of it.

Sure they have, and what's being articulated is defense of Biden and his situation being different than Trump (and soon to be Pence). Expect to see endless articles on .. "oh .. Republicans do it again .." instead of focusing on the heart of the problem ... irresponsibility of classified material and how to respond to it.

The DOJ will have fun with this to not make it obvious they are being impartial or biased.

 

[BlindBoo]

Perhaps. But why the double standard? And why would NARA only know about classified docs in Trump's possession but not know that the docs in Biden's and Pence's possession were missing?

It just doesn't add up.

I don't know. I can speculate that the shear volume of documents that get classified by various heads of agencies and other officials designated with that authority presents several logistical problems for them. But I'm sure we'll find out in time wtf actually happened and what the differences are, if any. I just hope it's within my lifetime.

 

[Foxfyre]

Because Biden and Pence only had a very very small number of documents

Trump had hundreds of documents

In addition the archive very nicely asked Trump for the documents back, he lied - like he always does- and then they got a court order to find the documents. And ohh boy what they found was so bad.

Biden and Pence made a small mistake and lost track of a small number of documents, trump stole hundreds of documents and lied about them...

You don't know what Trump had because the FBI has no disclosed any of it nor has there been any leak of any kind of any possible criminality re any of those docs which pretty much makes it safe to say they have bupkiss. Trump had returned docs NARA asked for many months before the raid.

So is NARA only tracking docs Trump had and not the others that Biden and Pence had? If this looks plausible to you, so be it. I think any thinking person has to see a problem here.

 

[Foxfyre]

Sure they have, and what's being articulated is defense of Biden and his situation being different than Trump (and soon to be Pence). Expect to see endless articles on .. "oh .. Republicans do it again .." instead of focusing on the heart of the problem ... irresponsibility of classified material and how to respond to it.

The DOJ will have fun with this to not make it obvious they are being impartial or biased.

No, except for a few conservative sources, most media is NOT indicating any kind of double standard here. They defend Biden while crucifying Trump. And they aren't questioning why NARA didn't know the docs Biden and Pence had were missing but did know docs Trump had were missing.

It just doesn't add up as plausible.

 

[Mac1958]

How is it the National Archives didn't know anything about all those documents in Biden's and Pence's possession, never asked for them back, didn't advise the FBI they were missing, but notified the FBI that Trump was illegally keeping documents at Mar-a-lago?

The Archives doesn't have a list of every classified document created. They can only "archive" it after the fact. That's what an archive is.

So, they have to depend on Presidents and Vice Presidents to use the honor system. Pence's people and Biden's people found the documents and returned them. They have honor, as compared to someone who would sandbag and delay and claim the documents belong to him.

Not that complicated.

 

[Foxfyre]

I don't know. I can speculate that the shear volume of documents that get classified by various heads of agencies and other officials designated with that authority presents several logistical problems for them. But I'm sure we'll find out in time wtf actually happened and what the differences are, if any. I just hope it's within my lifetime.

It just stretches credibility that NARA missed ONLY docs that Trump had. After Trump returned several boxes that NARA requested, the FBI called on Mar-a-lago months before the raid. They were given full permission to inspect ANYTHING they wanted to inspect in that storage closet, go through every single document, take anything they wanted, and if they wanted anything else all they had to do was ask. They took nothing, asked for nothing, just asked that an extra lock be put on the storage room door which was done.

So NARA told the FBI Trump had classified documents that justified a Gestapo type raid on Mar-a-lago in the wee hours of the morning. A raid that searched his entire home. A raid in which any witnesses--Trumps lawyer and staff--were banished from the premises?

But they were apparently oblivious to missing docs that Pence had or that Biden had for years and years going all the way back to his Senate days?

It just doesn't add up. I'm sorry. But anybody who doesn't see the stink in this is blinded by partisanship.

 

[jotathought]

No, except for a few conservative sources, most media is NOT indicating any kind of double standard here. They defend Biden while crucifying Trump. And they aren't questioning why NARA didn't know the docs Biden and Pence had were missing but did know docs Trump had were missing.

It just doesn't add up as plausible.

We are saying the same thing different ways.

 

[Foxfyre]

The Archives doesn't have a list of every classified document created. They can only "archive" it after the fact. That's what an archive is.

So, they have to depend on Presidents and Vice Presidents to use the honor system. Pence's people and Biden's people found the documents and returned them. They have honor, as compared to someone who would sandbag and delay and claim the documents belong to him.

Not that complicated.

So how did they know there were classified docs in Trump's possession--docs the FBI had already inspected and could have taken with them--but not any of those in Biden or Pence's possession? I'm sorry but it just isn't adding up to reasonable.

 

[Mac1958]

So how did they know there were classified docs in Trump's possession--docs the FBI had already inspected and could have taken with them--but not any of those in Biden or Pence's possession? I'm sorry but it just isn't adding up to reasonable.

They were tipped off by someone in Trump's organization. Someone with honor. That got the ball rolling.

 

[BlindBoo]

It just stretches credibility that NARA missed ONLY docs that Trump had.

Not at this point. It mean the public is not privy to all the relevant facts of the case and or cases.

So NARA told the FBI Trump had classified documents that justified a Gestapo type raid

You skipped the judge and the search warrant before you went all Gestapo on me.

A fine example of a gross hyperbole.

 

[Foxfyre]

Not at this point. It mean the public is not privy to all the relevant facts of the case and or cases.


You skipped the judge and the search warrant before you went all Gestapo on me.

A fine example of a gross hyperbole.

All that has been discussed ad nauseum on the threads about that.

What this thread is about is possible 'deep state' culpability of NARA itself and the implausibility that Trump having classified docs was criminal but they didn't even know about missing docs at Biden's home or Pence's home? It is reported they 'discovered' on Nov 2 that Biden had hundreds of docs at the Penn Biden Center, but did not notify the FBI until after the midterms. Not that the FBI has done anything about it.

That alone suggests NARA may be complicit in a scheme to take Trump down however unfairly or dishonestly that is done.

Looking for other sources on this, I just now found this:

From a letter from James Comer, GOP Chair of the Oversight and Accountability Committee, to NARA:

“For months, NARA failed to disclose to Committee Republicans or the American public that President Biden—after serving as Vice President—stored highly classified documents in a closet at his personal office. NARA learned about these documents days before the 2022 midterm elections and did not alert the public that President Biden was potentially violating the law. Meanwhile, NARA instigated a public and unprecedented FBI raid at Mar-a-Lago—former President Trump’s home—to retrieve presidential records. NARA’s inconsistent treatment of recovering classified records held by former President Trump and President Biden raises questions about political bias at the agency,” wrote Chairman Comer

Comer Demands Answers from NARA and Biden White House About Classified Docs Stashed at Penn Biden Center - United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability

oversight.house.gov

 

[jwoodie]

Sometimes, even on important matters, our bureaucracy is simply inept.

Especially when serving Democrats' political interests.

 

[The Banker]

You don't know what Trump had because the FBI has no disclosed any of it nor has there been any leak of any kind of any possible criminality re any of those docs which pretty much makes it safe to say they have bupkiss. Trump had returned docs NARA asked for many months before the raid.

So is NARA only tracking docs Trump had and not the others that Biden and Pence had? If this looks plausible to you, so be it. I think any thinking person has to see a problem here.

Enough info has been released to know it was 300 documents. This comes from court documents that are 100% accurate. Sucks to be you huh.

In total, the government has recovered more than 300 documents with classified markings from Mr. Trump since he left office, the people said: that first batch of documents returned in January, another set provided by Mr. Trump’s aides to the Justice Department in June and the material seized by the F.B.I. in the search this month.

Trump Had More Than 300 Classified Documents at Mar-a-Lago (Published 2022)

The National Archives found more than 150 sensitive documents when it got a first batch of material from the former president in January, helping to explain the Justice Department’s urgent response.

www.nytimes.com

 

[1srelluc]

LOL.....I suspect there's a lot of congress critters rolling out the old burn barrel about now.

As for Pence it would not surprise me he is not just covering but his ass butt tossing Tater a bone too.

All those fucks think that they are above the law.....Judge Dredd Syndrome.

 

[Foxfyre]

Enough info has been released to know it was 300 documents. This comes from court documents that are 100% accurate. Sucks to be you huh.

In total, the government has recovered more than 300 documents with classified markings from Mr. Trump since he left office, the people said: that first batch of documents returned in January, another set provided by Mr. Trump’s aides to the Justice Department in June and the material seized by the F.B.I. in the search this month.

Trump Had More Than 300 Classified Documents at Mar-a-Lago (Published 2022)

The National Archives found more than 150 sensitive documents when it got a first batch of material from the former president in January, helping to explain the Justice Department’s urgent response.

www.nytimes.com

The NY Times has been so maliciously anti-Trump and has reported stuff that just isn't true about Trump so many times that there is no way they can be trusted to be telling it like it is now. I'm sure somebody came up with the 300 number, but even that is implausible that it would be exactly 300 documents.

It is also implausible that the FBI did not see any documents with classified markings when they were INVITED/ALLOWED to go through all the boxes and apparently, since they could have taken them then with Trump's full permission and didn't at that time and asked for nothing else, they were not deemed a 'security risk' or 'threat to democracy' or whatever.

And this is NOT about whether Trump had or did not have classified documents, legally or illegally.

This is about why NARA, the FBI, etc. have treated Trump so differently than anybody else. Why NARA would know about and be concerned about documents in Trump's home and not know about or be concerned in any way about documents in the Biden or Pence homes.

 

[Dagosa]

And now Pence found classified documents he says were inadvertently boxed up and sent to his Indiana home.

This on top of the drip-drip-drip of classified docs found in Biden's home and the Penn Biden Center.

All documents presumably they should not have had.

But only Trump's Mar-a-lago home was raided and savaged in the wee hours of the morning to retrieve illegal classified documents so we were told.

QUESTION:

How is it the National Archives didn't know anything about all those documents in Biden's and Pence's possession, never asked for them back, didn't advise the FBI they were missing, but notified the FBI that Trump was illegally keeping documents at Mar-a-lago?

It doesn’t matter. His buddy Joe will just declassify them in his mind. He may have done it already.

 

[Dagosa]

I have no doubt there are specialists in several government agencies that are looking for ways to criticize, accuse, indict Donald J. Trump.

Absolutely. His four years as a Putin baglapper demands it.