Questions for those that would ban 'assault weapons'

[Wildman]

Can't help yourself can you? Just about every post you make in regards firearms is a blatant lie. Obama wants an assault weapon ban, Many high ranking members of the Democratic leadership in both the House and Senate WANT an assault weapon ban. After Newton the openly admitted it with Obama adding his voice to the call for it. They lost. Not because they didn't try but because they did not have the votes to even get it out of committee.

Now here you are claiming no one said they want one, no one tried to get one started and that we are all making shit up. The only one making shit up is you and your buddies.

Same with making a list of who owns firearms. It serves only one purpose, to eventually allow the Government to outlaw firearms and know where to collect them from private citizens. You are lying when you claim that is not true also.

Wait just a minute. I read on here all the time that there are no assault weapons being offered for sale here in the USA. Only "sporting rifles". Then a gun nutter self identifies a weapon as an assault weapon. (see above highlighted)

So which one of you gun nutters are lying. Seeing as how you all seem to agree that there are assault weapons on the market.

Do gun shops sell assault weapons or don't they?

Do gun shops sell assault weapons or don't they?

in general.., "they" do NOT.., unless "they" are CLASS III dealers, do you know what that means ?do you have any fucking idea what is involved to buy a CLASS III weapon ? to start with it takes at least $12,000.00, and tons of paper work, after jumping thru all the hoops the person buying the "ASSAULT" weapon will receive it in about 18 to 24 months of waiting.., waiting..., and more waiting.

if you still have no comprehension of what an assault weapon is, please click on my link to the truth about assault weapons.., i challenge you to get properly educated.., thank you !!

 

[zeke]

Can't help yourself can you? Just about every post you make in regards firearms is a blatant lie. Obama wants an assault weapon ban, Many high ranking members of the Democratic leadership in both the House and Senate WANT an assault weapon ban. After Newton the openly admitted it with Obama adding his voice to the call for it. They lost. Not because they didn't try but because they did not have the votes to even get it out of committee.

Now here you are claiming no one said they want one, no one tried to get one started and that we are all making shit up. The only one making shit up is you and your buddies.

Same with making a list of who owns firearms. It serves only one purpose, to eventually allow the Government to outlaw firearms and know where to collect them from private citizens. You are lying when you claim that is not true also.

Wait just a minute. I read on here all the time that there are no assault weapons being offered for sale here in the USA. Only "sporting rifles". Then a gun nutter self identifies a weapon as an assault weapon. (see above highlighted)

So which one of you gun nutters are lying. Seeing as how you all seem to agree that there are assault weapons on the market.

Do gun shops sell assault weapons or don't they?

Do gun shops sell assault weapons or don't they?

in general.., "they" do NOT.., unless "they" are CLASS III dealers, do you know what that means ?do you have any fucking idea what is involved to buy a CLASS III weapon ? to start with it takes at least $12,000.00, and tons of paper work, after jumping thru all the hoops the person buying the "ASSAULT" weapon will receive it in about 18 to 24 months of waiting.., waiting..., and more waiting.

if you still have no comprehension of what an assault weapon is, please click on my link to the truth about assault weapons.., i challenge you to get properly educated.., thank you !!

Nah dude, it is YOU that doesn't know what an "assault weapon" is. Which is weird as fuck seeing as how you are the know all on weapons and there intended use.

You want to make the case that BECAUSE it can't be used (as bought) as a fully automatic weapon, why then it can't be an "assault weapon". What a crock of bullshit.

But when ever these is a mass assault in the country (aka mass killing) what was the weapon of choice? When the Bundy protectors were carrying their weapons, intending to assault someone if need be, what was the rifle of choice. Was it the AR? Or an AK.

Hey is the AK47 an assault weapon? It isn't. Is it? All those fucking terrorists and "freedom fighters" are carrying AK47's cause they are great deer rifles. Right?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Can't help yourself can you? Just about every post you make in regards firearms is a blatant lie. Obama wants an assault weapon ban, Many high ranking members of the Democratic leadership in both the House and Senate WANT an assault weapon ban. After Newton the openly admitted it with Obama adding his voice to the call for it. They lost. Not because they didn't try but because they did not have the votes to even get it out of committee.

Now here you are claiming no one said they want one, no one tried to get one started and that we are all making shit up. The only one making shit up is you and your buddies.

Same with making a list of who owns firearms. It serves only one purpose, to eventually allow the Government to outlaw firearms and know where to collect them from private citizens. You are lying when you claim that is not true also.

Wait just a minute. I read on here all the time that there are no assault weapons being offered for sale here in the USA. Only "sporting rifles". Then a gun nutter self identifies a weapon as an assault weapon. (see above highlighted)

So which one of you gun nutters are lying. Seeing as how you all seem to agree that there are assault weapons on the market.

Do gun shops sell assault weapons or don't they?

All a so called assault weapon is is a standard semiautomatic rifle with some cosmetic doo dads on it.

This mini 14

Shoots the exact same round at the exact same rate of fire as this AR15

Yet one is called an "assault rifle" and the other is called a ranch rifle.

Does anyone see how fucking stupid the distinction is?

It would be like banning one of two cars that are exactly the same in function and performance simply because one of the cars was painted black and had some after market cosmetic embellishments like pin stripes and a fake hood scoop.

 

[M14 Shooter]

This will be a bit off topic but the majority of shootings even mass ones are not carried out by people using assault rifles Nidal Hassan, the Gabby Giffords shooter, and the VT shooter to name a few all used pistols obviously there are exceptions but assault rifles are not the norm for shootings.

Under 400 per year.
Far more poeple are killed w/ blunt and or bladed weapons; about twice as many are killed by hands/feet.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Maybe someone answered....

No. They havent.
Why don;t you give it a try?

...but let's ask again...

Red herring.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Maybe someone answered this but let's ask again: why does any private citizen need an assault rifle with 30-rd magazine? Is it for hunting? Do you need an assault rifle with 30-rd mag for deer hunting?

Is it home defense? If so many pistols are used in mass shootings then why not just use a pistol for home defense? Do you need an assault rifle with 30-rd magazine to protect your flatscreen tv?

Or does the American Taliban "need" assault rifles with 30-rd magazines only to make yourselves feel like big strong men who are going to take on the entire US war machine for freedom like you did in Nevada?

What happens when you try to take on the system and the 1% cuts off the sale of ammunition? What happens to the white-trash supply chain when Wal-Mart stops distribution during the second American civil war that you've started? How long will the right-wing white-trash revolution last?

Do you honestly think that rights are based upon 'needs'?
Seriously?

Not just "needs" but an arbitrary perception thereof.
Never mind that he's offering a red herring because he know he cannot address the questions asked.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Well except you are lying, the left did in fact claim that banning assault weapons would STOP SIMILAR SHOOTINGS AND Obama SUPPORTED THAT TAKE.

To my knowledge Obama never stated he wanted to ban Assault weapons.

Dude... I posted a link with Him saying that very thing, in His own voice, in the context of this topic.
There are innumberable instances of Him stating His desire for such a ban, on the record, from before He was elected Senator, and since.

The NRA receives MILLIONS from gun manufacturers.

So?
Wat's wrong with that and how is it relevant to the questions aked in the OP?

Last, the Constitution can be changed if The People want it to change.

As there's been no movement to an amendment of the 2A, it appears the people dd not want any such change.

Now, how about addressing the question asked in the OP...?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Can't help yourself can you? Just about every post you make in regards firearms is a blatant lie. Obama wants an assault weapon ban, Many high ranking members of the Democratic leadership in both the House and Senate WANT an assault weapon ban. After Newton the openly admitted it with Obama adding his voice to the call for it. They lost. Not because they didn't try but because they did not have the votes to even get it out of committee.

Now here you are claiming no one said they want one, no one tried to get one started and that we are all making shit up. The only one making shit up is you and your buddies.

Same with making a list of who owns firearms. It serves only one purpose, to eventually allow the Government to outlaw firearms and know where to collect them from private citizens. You are lying when you claim that is not true also.

Wait just a minute. I read on here all the time that there are no assault weapons being offered for sale here in the USA. Only "sporting rifles". Then a gun nutter self identifies a weapon as an assault weapon. (see above highlighted)

So which one of you gun nutters are lying. Seeing as how you all seem to agree that there are assault weapons on the market.

Do gun shops sell assault weapons or don't they?

I don't see anyone saying 'assault weapons' are not currently for sale, especially in the post you quoted.

Now, perhaps you could address the questions asked in the OP.

 

[M14 Shooter]

See below:



Questions:
-Had the 1994 AWB not sunset, or had it been reinstated once The Obama took office, how would it have stopped the Newton/Sandyhook shooting?
-If it were in place now, how would it stop another?

Please try to answer in a manner that does not involve emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.

the AWB was silly...
that doesn't mean that background checks shouldn't happen and those loopholes closed.

Your red herring aisde...
Background checks happen thousands of times every day, and there is no loophole.
Now, go back to cleaning your urinals -- and have a great day at it.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Tax the crap out of them and they become much less prevalent.

This is as constitutional as taxing the crap out of abortions so that they become much less prevelant.

Now, did you have an answer for the questions asked in the OP, or not?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Any gun you can do that with? Should not be in the hands of a civilian.

What's that?
No answer to the questions asked in the OP?
No surprise.

 

[WinterBorn]

Maybe someone answered this but let's ask again: why does any private citizen need an assault rifle with 30-rd magazine? Is it for hunting? Do you need an assault rifle with 30-rd mag for deer hunting?

Is it home defense? If so many pistols are used in mass shootings then why not just use a pistol for home defense? Do you need an assault rifle with 30-rd magazine to protect your flatscreen tv?

Or does the American Taliban "need" assault rifles with 30-rd magazines only to make yourselves feel like big strong men who are going to take on the entire US war machine for freedom like you did in Nevada?

What happens when you try to take on the system and the 1% cuts off the sale of ammunition? What happens to the white-trash supply chain when Wal-Mart stops distribution during the second American civil war that you've started? How long will the right-wing white-trash revolution last?

First of all, since when did any of our basic rights involve "need"? Also, how much of what we have in our daily lives is based solely on "need"? And if you add up the lives lost to the various pollutants from manufacturing processes (cancer victims ect) it costs more lives than the "assault weapons".

Second of all, home defense is not about protecting a flat-screen tv. And your attempt to make it so is insulting to those who have suffered a breakin or home invasion. Home defense is about protecting the sanctity of the home. If you have ever had a breakin, you know that your home no longer feels safe. If you cannot feel safe at home, where is it that you will feel safe?

I can't speak for anyone else, but since I reload my own ammo, I am not as sensitive to the "we will stop all the ammunition" threats. Plus, I have a couple of friends who load ammo as a business. They are doing great.

 

[WinterBorn]

Can't help yourself can you? Just about every post you make in regards firearms is a blatant lie. Obama wants an assault weapon ban, Many high ranking members of the Democratic leadership in both the House and Senate WANT an assault weapon ban. After Newton the openly admitted it with Obama adding his voice to the call for it. They lost. Not because they didn't try but because they did not have the votes to even get it out of committee.

Now here you are claiming no one said they want one, no one tried to get one started and that we are all making shit up. The only one making shit up is you and your buddies.

Same with making a list of who owns firearms. It serves only one purpose, to eventually allow the Government to outlaw firearms and know where to collect them from private citizens. You are lying when you claim that is not true also.

Wait just a minute. I read on here all the time that there are no assault weapons being offered for sale here in the USA. Only "sporting rifles". Then a gun nutter self identifies a weapon as an assault weapon. (see above highlighted)

So which one of you gun nutters are lying. Seeing as how you all seem to agree that there are assault weapons on the market.

Do gun shops sell assault weapons or don't they?

In reality, no there are no gun shops selling assault rifles. The exception is the few places and persons with the special licenses that allow them to buy the sort of weapons that have been banned from sales to the general public since the 1930s.

But there is a faction that demands the sale of semi-automatic rifles with certain cosmetic features. And they have been calling these rifles "assault weapons" for decades. It is this faction that the OP addresses. It also addresses the ridiculous notions they have of what constitutes an "assault weapon". This is why M14 Shooter showed the pics of the two rifles. One was banned and one was not. The difference being the flash suppressor, which does not effect the operation of the rifle.

 

[M14 Shooter]

In reality, no there are no gun shops selling assault rifles. The exception is the few places and persons with the special licenses that allow them to buy the sort of weapons that have been banned from sales to the general public since the 1930s.

But there is a faction that demands the sale of semi-automatic rifles with certain cosmetic features. And they have been calling these rifles "assault weapons" for decades. It is this faction that the OP addresses. It also addresses the ridiculous notions they have of what constitutes an "assault weapon". This is why M14 Shooter showed the pics of the two rifles. One was banned and one was not. The difference being the flash suppressor, which does not effect the operation of the rifle.

Flash suppressor... and bayonet lug.

 

[jillian]

This will be a bit off topic but the majority of shootings even mass ones are not carried out by people using assault rifles Nidal Hassan, the Gabby Giffords shooter, and the VT shooter to name a few all used pistols obviously there are exceptions but assault rifles are not the norm for shootings.

nadal hassan is not the average mass killer

however....

this is the full list of weapons used in mass shootings

WEAPONS USED IN MASS SHOOTINGS

 

[jillian]

See below:



Questions:
-Had the 1994 AWB not sunset, or had it been reinstated once The Obama took office, how would it have stopped the Newton/Sandyhook shooting?
-If it were in place now, how would it stop another?

Please try to answer in a manner that does not involve emotion, ignorance and/or dishonesty.

the AWB was silly...
that doesn't mean that background checks shouldn't happen and those loopholes closed.

Your red herring aisde...
Background checks happen thousands of times every day, and there is no loophole.
Now, go back to cleaning your urinals -- and have a great day at it.

what "red herring"?

it's not my fault you missed the point.

and there are no background checks if i sell you a weapon.

there are no background checks if you go to a gun show.

but nice try.

 

[M14 Shooter]

the AWB was silly...
that doesn't mean that background checks shouldn't happen and those loopholes closed.

Your red herring aisde...
Background checks happen thousands of times every day, and there is no loophole.
Now, go back to cleaning your urinals -- and have a great day at it.

what "red herring"?

The one where you change the subject away from the issue at hand. That one.

Perhaps, however, you'd like to explain why the AWB was silly. We'd all appreciate your view.

and there are no background checks if i sell you a weapon.
there are no background checks if you go to a gun show.

None of that changes thet fact that thousands are performed every day, meaning that they indeed happen; none of that changes the fact that there is no law that enables, much less rerquires, people to perform a background check for a private sale, meaning that there is no loophole.

Your points, such as they are, thusly negated.

 

[M14 Shooter]

This will be a bit off topic but the majority of shootings even mass ones are not carried out by people using assault rifles Nidal Hassan, the Gabby Giffords shooter, and the VT shooter to name a few all used pistols obviously there are exceptions but assault rifles are not the norm for shootings.

nadal hassan is not the average mass killer

however....

this is the full list of weapons used in mass shootings

WEAPONS USED IN MASS SHOOTINGS

So... of the 49 "mass shootings" in the last 15 years, 8 involved an 'assault weapon'.

Proof positive that they must be banned, and banned NOW, eh?

Excellent information. I expect the anti-gun loons will hate it.

 

[blackhawk]

This will be a bit off topic but the majority of shootings even mass ones are not carried out by people using assault rifles Nidal Hassan, the Gabby Giffords shooter, and the VT shooter to name a few all used pistols obviously there are exceptions but assault rifles are not the norm for shootings.

nadal hassan is not the average mass killer

however....

this is the full list of weapons used in mass shootings

WEAPONS USED IN MASS SHOOTINGS

I noticed the majority were pistols.

 

[WinterBorn]

This will be a bit off topic but the majority of shootings even mass ones are not carried out by people using assault rifles Nidal Hassan, the Gabby Giffords shooter, and the VT shooter to name a few all used pistols obviously there are exceptions but assault rifles are not the norm for shootings.

nadal hassan is not the average mass killer

however....

this is the full list of weapons used in mass shootings

WEAPONS USED IN MASS SHOOTINGS

So... of the 49 "mass shootings" in the last 15 years, 8 involved an 'assault weapon'.

Proof positive that they must be banned, and banned NOW, eh?

Excellent information. I expect the anti-gun loons will hate it.

Also, the shooting involving ARs would have been much worse with other weapons. The Sandy Hook shooting probably would have been far worse if he had been using a 12 gauge.

And the other most deadly use of the AR was the Beltline Sniper. Had he used a basic hunting rifle he probably would have killed more people.