Quick: Name a "Democracy"

[NYcarbineer]

The United States is a Republic. Moron.

Nowhere in the Constitution of The United States of America is the word 'democracy' mentioned.

Do you people go to College and major in 'Stupid' or does it come naturally?

I really wanna know.

Why would it have to say it anywhere? Democracy is a form of government where the majority rules and in most instances that's how it goes. Constitutional issues effecting that principle are the exception not the norm.

Let me ask you something.

If the majority of the people in the US wanted a return to slavery, and a majority of the Representatives wanted a return to slavery, is it your contention that we HAVE to return to slavery because the majority wants it?

Or do we consult a little thing like the Constitution which overrides ANY majority will by stating that LAW is what we abide by, and that the Constitution is the supreme will of the land.

Further, Congress (You know, this allegedly majority elected body) cannot violate the Constitution and we ensure that though the use of the other two branches of government. A 'Checks and Balances' of power.

This is why the Roberts ruling on Obamacare was so egregious. He actually stated that the Judiciary is not there to act as a check against a corrupt Congress because people get what they elect. Total BS.

We are a Representative Republic formed and controlled by a Constitution.

That is so much nonsense. You talk as though the Constitution came out of nowhere. The Constitution was ratified by majority votes.

Slavery could be brought back by amending the Constitution. All it would take would be large enough majorities to make the amendments. The minority in that case would be powerless to say otherwise.

It was by majority, not minority, action that slavery was abolished in the first place.

The majority establishes the rights of the minorities.

 

[R.C. Christian]

The U.S. is a dysfunctional Republic run by pigs, policed by wolves, and inhabited with sheep. It's an oligarchy, a turn key police state bent on authoritarianism, and vastly controlled by technocrats. It's a complete sham. It murders millions shamelessly. It is a rogue state hated by the world and by me.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Why would it have to say it anywhere? Democracy is a form of government where the majority rules and in most instances that's how it goes. Constitutional issues effecting that principle are the exception not the norm.

Let me ask you something.

If the majority of the people in the US wanted a return to slavery, and a majority of the Representatives wanted a return to slavery, is it your contention that we HAVE to return to slavery because the majority wants it?

Or do we consult a little thing like the Constitution which overrides ANY majority will by stating that LAW is what we abide by, and that the Constitution is the supreme will of the land.

Further, Congress (You know, this allegedly majority elected body) cannot violate the Constitution and we ensure that though the use of the other two branches of government. A 'Checks and Balances' of power.

This is why the Roberts ruling on Obamacare was so egregious. He actually stated that the Judiciary is not there to act as a check against a corrupt Congress because people get what they elect. Total BS.

We are a Representative Republic formed and controlled by a Constitution.

That is so much nonsense. You talk as though the Constitution came out of nowhere. The Constitution was ratified by majority votes.

Slavery could be brought back by amending the Constitution. All it would take would be large enough majorities to make the amendments. The minority in that case would be powerless to say otherwise.

It was by majority, not minority, action that slavery was abolished in the first place.

The majority establishes the rights of the minorities.

“All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate which would be oppression.”

-Thomas Jefferson in his first inaugural address, March 4, 1801

 

[konradv]

One democracy that comes to mind is

The Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea, but it is communist. A "democratic republic" as it were. Such is a contradiction.

Gee, that really helps out the rep of republics!!!

Gee, that really was a troll post!

..and yours wasn't?!?!

 

[NYcarbineer]

Because Conservatives know that America is a Constitutional Republic.
Not a Democratic Republic.
There is a big difference between the two.
Democrats and many Republicans have turned us into a Democratic Republic.

We're a democratic republic with a constitution.

No we are not.
We are a Constitutional Republic.
A Constitutional Republic is a state where the officials are elected as representatives of the people, and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens.

A Constitutional Republic is the current form of government in the United States. However in recent years, many people have criticized the federal government for moving away from a Constitutional Republic, as defined by the Constitution, and towards a pure democracy, (which we are not).

TeamLaw.org defines a Constitutional Republic as follows:

A Republic, by definition, has two principle elements. First, it is controlled by Law; therefore, it does not control Law. Second, it recognizes the private independent sovereign nature of each person (man or woman) of competent age and capacity; therefore, a Republic must be representative in its nature.

A Republic recognizes Law is unchangeable, or at least that it can only be changed by a higher source than government. In a Republic the concept of “collective sovereignty” cannot exist, except with recognition that the State or nation, as a body of sovereigns, can speak through one elected voice; though that one voice can never lawfully interfere with the private rights of the individual sovereigns.

“A Constitutional Republic” is a government created and controlled, at least, by the Law of a Constitution. The Constitution of the United States of America was, in Law, a foundation based on the Bible, the Magna Carta and the Declaration of Independence. Those documents recognize man’s sovereignty, the divine nature of man’s creation and man’s divine right to Life, Liberty, the means of acquiring and possessing Property, and the pursuit of happiness.

The purpose of a Constitutional Republic is to place limits on the tyranny of the majority

Anything not explicitly permitted to Congress by the Constitution is reserved for the States or the People -- Amendment 10
Something that our government has been doing for a very long time is taking over the States rights.

Our Federal Government is not suppose to run our education system, Our health Care System nor welfare programs or social programs. These should be run by our States.
Our Federal government is stepping on and violating all of our Bill of Rights.

Our Federal Government is now controlling and violating the laws not living under the laws.

Not one word of that conflicts with the notion that we are a democracy.

 

[konradv]

Let me ask you something.

If the majority of the people in the US wanted a return to slavery, and a majority of the Representatives wanted a return to slavery, is it your contention that we HAVE to return to slavery because the majority wants it?

Or do we consult a little thing like the Constitution which overrides ANY majority will by stating that LAW is what we abide by, and that the Constitution is the supreme will of the land.

Further, Congress (You know, this allegedly majority elected body) cannot violate the Constitution and we ensure that though the use of the other two branches of government. A 'Checks and Balances' of power.

This is why the Roberts ruling on Obamacare was so egregious. He actually stated that the Judiciary is not there to act as a check against a corrupt Congress because people get what they elect. Total BS.

We are a Representative Republic formed and controlled by a Constitution.

That is so much nonsense. You talk as though the Constitution came out of nowhere. The Constitution was ratified by majority votes.

Slavery could be brought back by amending the Constitution. All it would take would be large enough majorities to make the amendments. The minority in that case would be powerless to say otherwise.

It was by majority, not minority, action that slavery was abolished in the first place.

The majority establishes the rights of the minorities.

“All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate which would be oppression.”

-Thomas Jefferson in his first inaugural address, March 4, 1801

TJ, leader of the Democratic-Republican Party!

 

[TemplarKormac]

Why would it have to say it anywhere? Democracy is a form of government where the majority rules and in most instances that's how it goes. Constitutional issues effecting that principle are the exception not the norm.

Let me ask you something.

If the majority of the people in the US wanted a return to slavery, and a majority of the Representatives wanted a return to slavery, is it your contention that we HAVE to return to slavery because the majority wants it?

Or do we consult a little thing like the Constitution which overrides ANY majority will by stating that LAW is what we abide by, and that the Constitution is the supreme will of the land.

Further, Congress (You know, this allegedly majority elected body) cannot violate the Constitution and we ensure that though the use of the other two branches of government. A 'Checks and Balances' of power.

This is why the Roberts ruling on Obamacare was so egregious. He actually stated that the Judiciary is not there to act as a check against a corrupt Congress because people get what they elect. Total BS.

We are a Representative Republic formed and controlled by a Constitution.

That is so much nonsense. You talk as though the Constitution came out of nowhere. The Constitution was ratified by majority votes.

Slavery could be brought back by amending the Constitution. All it would take would be large enough majorities to make the amendments. The minority in that case would be powerless to say otherwise.

It was by majority, not minority, action that slavery was abolished in the first place.

The majority establishes the rights of the minorities.

But as you may very well have refused to acknowledge, we have minorities influencing well established rights of the majority. In a sense, the minority has the power to nullify the rights of the majority, if it can prove that such rights held by the majority are oppressive.

 

[TemplarKormac]

That is so much nonsense. You talk as though the Constitution came out of nowhere. The Constitution was ratified by majority votes.

Slavery could be brought back by amending the Constitution. All it would take would be large enough majorities to make the amendments. The minority in that case would be powerless to say otherwise.

It was by majority, not minority, action that slavery was abolished in the first place.

The majority establishes the rights of the minorities.

“All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate which would be oppression.”

-Thomas Jefferson in his first inaugural address, March 4, 1801

TJ, leader of the Democratic-Republican Party!

Negged for trolling. My name isn't "TJ" either. Grow up.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Let me ask you something.

If the majority of the people in the US wanted a return to slavery, and a majority of the Representatives wanted a return to slavery, is it your contention that we HAVE to return to slavery because the majority wants it?

Or do we consult a little thing like the Constitution which overrides ANY majority will by stating that LAW is what we abide by, and that the Constitution is the supreme will of the land.

Further, Congress (You know, this allegedly majority elected body) cannot violate the Constitution and we ensure that though the use of the other two branches of government. A 'Checks and Balances' of power.

This is why the Roberts ruling on Obamacare was so egregious. He actually stated that the Judiciary is not there to act as a check against a corrupt Congress because people get what they elect. Total BS.

We are a Representative Republic formed and controlled by a Constitution.

That is so much nonsense. You talk as though the Constitution came out of nowhere. The Constitution was ratified by majority votes.

Slavery could be brought back by amending the Constitution. All it would take would be large enough majorities to make the amendments. The minority in that case would be powerless to say otherwise.

It was by majority, not minority, action that slavery was abolished in the first place.

The majority establishes the rights of the minorities.

“All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate which would be oppression.”

-Thomas Jefferson in his first inaugural address, March 4, 1801

And next you'll want to tell me that Jefferson above is NOT the Jefferson referred to in the very widely used term, and concept:

"Jeffersonian Democracy"

or is it??

lol checkmate.

 

[konradv]

Let me ask you something.

If the majority of the people in the US wanted a return to slavery, and a majority of the Representatives wanted a return to slavery, is it your contention that we HAVE to return to slavery because the majority wants it?

Or do we consult a little thing like the Constitution which overrides ANY majority will by stating that LAW is what we abide by, and that the Constitution is the supreme will of the land.

Further, Congress (You know, this allegedly majority elected body) cannot violate the Constitution and we ensure that though the use of the other two branches of government. A 'Checks and Balances' of power.

This is why the Roberts ruling on Obamacare was so egregious. He actually stated that the Judiciary is not there to act as a check against a corrupt Congress because people get what they elect. Total BS.

We are a Representative Republic formed and controlled by a Constitution.

That is so much nonsense. You talk as though the Constitution came out of nowhere. The Constitution was ratified by majority votes.

Slavery could be brought back by amending the Constitution. All it would take would be large enough majorities to make the amendments. The minority in that case would be powerless to say otherwise.

It was by majority, not minority, action that slavery was abolished in the first place.

The majority establishes the rights of the minorities.

But as you may very well have refused to acknowledge, we have minorities influencing well established rights of the majority. In a sense, the minority has the power to nullify the rights of the majority, if it can prove that such rights held by the majority are oppressive.

...and, if you can't, majority rules, i.e.democracy.

 

[Gardener]

The U.S. is a dysfunctional Republic run by pigs, policed by wolves, and inhabited with sheep. It's an oligarchy, a turn key police state bent on authoritarianism, and vastly controlled by technocrats. It's a complete sham. It murders millions shamelessly. It is a rogue state hated by the world and by me.

if you hate America soo much go protest with the Trayvon Martin people.

 

[TemplarKormac]

That is so much nonsense. You talk as though the Constitution came out of nowhere. The Constitution was ratified by majority votes.

Slavery could be brought back by amending the Constitution. All it would take would be large enough majorities to make the amendments. The minority in that case would be powerless to say otherwise.

It was by majority, not minority, action that slavery was abolished in the first place.

The majority establishes the rights of the minorities.

“All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate which would be oppression.”

-Thomas Jefferson in his first inaugural address, March 4, 1801

And next you'll want to tell me that Jefferson above is NOT the Jefferson referred to in the very widely used term, and concept:

"Jeffersonian Democracy"

or is it??

lol checkmate.

LOL. No.

Federal republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The USA is a Representative Democracy.

The USA was a Representative Democracy.

there, fixed

 

[TemplarKormac]

That is so much nonsense. You talk as though the Constitution came out of nowhere. The Constitution was ratified by majority votes.

Slavery could be brought back by amending the Constitution. All it would take would be large enough majorities to make the amendments. The minority in that case would be powerless to say otherwise.

It was by majority, not minority, action that slavery was abolished in the first place.

The majority establishes the rights of the minorities.

But as you may very well have refused to acknowledge, we have minorities influencing well established rights of the majority. In a sense, the minority has the power to nullify the rights of the majority, if it can prove that such rights held by the majority are oppressive.

...and, if you can't, majority rules, i.e.democracy.

Please familiarize yourself with the term "res publica" then get back to me. While you're gone read Article IV Section 4 of the Constitution:

"The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence."

 

[Edgetho]

The difference between a democracy and a Republic is important.

For instance, you can't go a single day without some dimocrap complaining about something in the Constitution.

Lately, it's been the 2nd Amendment to the exclusion of most of the rest of it.

dimocrap scum would like very much to ignore the 2nd Amendment to the Constitution of The United States of America.

But because we're a Republic, that can't be done.

If we were a democracy, and there were enough votes, the 2nd Amendment could be over-turned by a simple majority either through a referendum or in Congress.

But that can't be done..... Because we're a Republic.

You'll also hear dimocrap scum try to claim the Constitution of The United States of America is a "Living Document"

Brainless twaddle.

If it were a 'living document' and could be changed, abridged or appended by a simple majority vote, then WHAT THE FUCK IS THE POINT IN EVEN HAVING A CONSTITUTION?

But, dimocraps are stupid. And dishonest. And basically the scum of the Earth.

So what else can you expect?

Eric Himmler and the Stuttering Clusterfukk both took Oaths and swore before God that they would uphold the Laws of the United States of America and defend our Constitution.

They had no intention of keeping that Oath. DOMA, for one thing. And many others

We're talking dimocraps here, guys and gals.

They're always lying. It's what they do.

And.... We're a Republic. Not a democracy. At least not a 'direct democracy'.

 

[NYcarbineer]

“All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will, to be rightful, must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal laws must protect, and to violate which would be oppression.”

-Thomas Jefferson in his first inaugural address, March 4, 1801

And next you'll want to tell me that Jefferson above is NOT the Jefferson referred to in the very widely used term, and concept:

"Jeffersonian Democracy"

or is it??

lol checkmate.

LOL. No.

Federal republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're denying the existence of Jeffersonian Democracy, as a principle? As a guiding principle for Jefferson, one of our founders, and all who have then and since agreed with him?

lol

 

[Edgetho]

And next you'll want to tell me that Jefferson above is NOT the Jefferson referred to in the very widely used term, and concept:

"Jeffersonian Democracy"

or is it??

lol checkmate.

LOL. No.

Federal republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're denying the existence of Jeffersonian Democracy, as a principle? As a guiding principle for Jefferson, one of our founders, and all who have then and since agreed with him?

lol

Jefferson is probably my least favorite of all the Founders.

If you study up on him, you'll find that he was a big-time supporter of the most evil, the most catastrophic event in the History of Western Civilization -- The French Revolution.

In fact, he was widely hated in this Country during his time for that stance.

The French Revolution tried to be a democracy. They failed. But.... They're French.

You should study up on it. It's fascinating.

Peter (Pyotr) Kropotkin is a a good start.

I doubt you'll make it, though. He uses big words

France, the French Peasants, had a blueprint already laid out for them in our Revolution, in our Constitution but they chose to go their own and do their own thing.

You should really read up on Robespierre and the "Reign of Terror" in Paris when they were having people beheaded by the guillotine for addressing each other as 'Madame' or 'Monsieur' instead of the mandated 'Citizen'.

You won't find too much about that in socialist-leaning books and authors. But it's historical fact

We're a Republic, notwithstanding Jefferson's wishes.

 

[TemplarKormac]

And next you'll want to tell me that Jefferson above is NOT the Jefferson referred to in the very widely used term, and concept:

"Jeffersonian Democracy"

or is it??

lol checkmate.

LOL. No.

Federal republic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're denying the existence of Jeffersonian Democracy, as a principle? As a guiding principle for Jefferson, one of our founders, and all who have then and since agreed with him?

lol

No. I'm saying that our form of government is a republic. It is termed as such in the Constitution, and that's how it will remain. Elections are something akin to a representative democracy. The two work hand in hand to temper one another.

 

[Gardener]

Every nation on Earth that doesn't have a monarchy is a Republic.

Iran, China, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Egypt, Russia.

All Republics.

 

[TemplarKormac]

A democracy is an ideal form of govenrnment for the "Unknowns" because it stipulates the majority rules. This sounds good on the outside, correct? However all you have to do is manipulate the majority and you can do whatever you want to oppress the minority who are in disagreement. In contrast, a constitutional republic is that in which majority rule is tempered by minority rights by law.

-John M. Scheb, An Introduction to the American Legal System, Thomas Delmar Learning, 2001. p.6