quick question for those claiming that because Trump isnt President anymore he couldnt declassify stuff in his possession

[CowboyTed]

Do you think Trump snuck back into the white house after Biden was sworn in and took the stuff? If not then the simple fact remains that as President ANYTHING he wants can be declassified and all it takes is him to say so. No paper work no stamps just him saying it. So unless he snuck in after Biden was sworn in and took it then EVERYTHING he has and had was unclassified by the simple act of him taking it.

Doesn't fucking matter...

The Presidential Records Act doesn't care if Classified or Not... The Classified just makes there case stronger in public opinion... This narrative that Trump arbitrarily declassified documents and told no one, if he declassified them, he declassified them for everyone..
Trump broke the law, all Trump is doing is showing how irresponsible in dealing with classified documents.

Trump is making a good case against him.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

‘It worried people all the time': How Trump’s handling of secret documents led to the FBI’s Mar-a-Lago search

Trump’s cavalier approach to sensitive documents, and his lack of preparation to depart the White House, landed him in an FBI investigation, sources say.

www.nbcnews.com

When it finally dawned on Donald Trump in the twilight of his presidency that he wouldn’t be living at the White House for another four years, he had a problem: He had barely packed and had to move out quickly.

West Wing aides and government movers frantically tossed documents and other items into banker boxes that were shipped to a storage room at his Mar-a-Lago club

Even the end of Trump’s failed ‘presidency’ was a disaster.

 

[BlueGin]

Doesn't fucking matter...

The Presidential Records Act doesn't care if Classified or Not... The Classified just makes there case stronger in public opinion... This narrative that Trump arbitrarily declassified documents and told no one, if he declassified them, he declassified them for everyone..
Trump broke the law, all Trump is doing is showing how irresponsible in dealing with classified documents.

Trump is making a good case against him.

What law?

 

[rightwinger]

As the New York Times points out, none of the statutes cited in the warrant rely on whether the records were classified or not. The search warrant signed by the Florida magistrate judge entails items "illegally possessed in violation of 18 U.S.C. § § 793, 2071, or 1519."

As someone who has hated Trump for over 30 years, I would love to see him finally pay for his crimes.

But if his crime turns out to be illegally possessing some FOUO material, I do not want to see him bothered over trivial violations

But if Trump negligently handled our nations secrets and failed to follow even the most basic safeguards……I think he needs to be treated like anyone else and face the same consequences

 

[Sixties Fan]

He can declassify anything at anytime.

Had been allowed, per his dream, to become President for Life, aka a Dictator, then YES, he would have been able to do so because he said so.

But gratefully for the US, he did not became President for life.

So, there are protocols and procedures to declassify any document by any President.

Any.

 

[two_iron]

As someone who has hated Trump for over 30 years, I would love to see him finally pay for his crimes.

But if his crime turns out to be illegally possessing some FOUO material, I do not want to see him bothered over trivial violations

But if Trump negligently handled our nations secrets and failed to follow even the most basic safeguards……I think he needs to be treated like anyone else and face the same consequences

I'm sure your incessant crying and slobbering will be taken into account when the smoke clears.

"Your honor, here's the guy that washes the shitstains out of your underwear at the laundromat, he'd like to make a statement."

 

[Sixties Fan]

Already posted it. Pay attention.

Do so again for us non attentive ones.

Could anyone post the source of the 5 year rule Blue Gin posted.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

You’re wrong. Classification does not matter. Once he leaves office he can not have those records as per the PRA

AND he is guilty of mishandling national security docs as well

Spot on.

The potential charges against Trump concern national security and military intelligence documents improperly stored in an unsecured location, documents lost or unlawfully destroyed.

 

[BlueGin]

Had been allowed, per his dream, to become President for Life, aka a Dictator, then YES, he would have been able to do so because he said so.

But gratefully for the US, he did not became President for life.

So, there are protocols and procedures to declassify any document by any President.

Any.

Sure. The President decides what those rules are.

 

[two_iron]

I see a lot more of this shit coming down the pike.....

 

[BlueGin]

Do so again for us non attentive ones.

Could anyone post the source of the 5 year rule Blue Gin posted.

Apparently you aren’t reading the thread. I posted it directly to you.

 

[Jaxson]

You really should stay up in the trees you stupid fucking simian.

All POTUS's have presidential libraries full of their unclassified papers.

Brandon's will have loaded diapers and various locks of hair he jacked off to.... but the principle is the same.

You must be dumber than a simian because the Presidential libraries don't belong to the former Presidents. Now go get me a banana.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

I can't understand why people are still choosing these sides. Your argument boils down to "your side is as bad as our side".

That's why we are in such a mess.

That’s a conservative ‘argument’ – dishonest conservatives are the masters of the red herring fallacy.

And save the rot about ‘both sides.’

Both sided are not ‘the same.’

 

[Care4all]

“the PRA allows for public access to Presidential records through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) beginning five years after the end of the Administration, but allows the President to invoke as many as six specific restrictions to public access for up to twelve years.”

No laws were broken.

Where does it say the president can store all of his records in the basement if his Resort or in storage closets, and not in the National Archives?

Hint! It doesn't!

 

[Sixties Fan]

Apparently you aren’t reading the thread. I posted it directly to you.

“the PRA allows for public access to Presidential records through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) beginning five years after the end of the Administration, but allows the President to invoke as many as six specific restrictions to public access for up to twelve years.”


[The above has nothing to do with declassifying documents and the procedures required]


Prior to the PRA, records were considered the President’s private property. Now, the PRA states that presidential records are the property of the United States. Under the PRA, the President may request advice and assistance from the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) regarding records management practices, and the Archivist of the United States (the head of NARA) plays an important role in the maintenance and access of a former President’s records.

The PRA does not establish automatic access to an incumbent President’s records, which may be protected by executive privilege on a case-by-case basis. However, the PRA does statutorily narrow an incumbent President’s ability to restrict records access as the Administration draws to a close. As the length of time between the conclusion of a presidency and the present day increases, presidential records become more accessible.
Access to a former President’s records is governed in terms of time passed since the conclusion of the presidency:

•  Less than five years out, no public access is granted due to the Archivist’s processing of the records.
•  Between five and 12 years out, the Archivist determines PRA restrictions with the former President in accordance with Title 44, Section 2204, of the U.S. Code.
•  After 12 years, these PRA restrictions no longer apply.
  Certain federal officials may access a former President’s records within the 12-year time frame by gaining “special access” to presidential records. The PRA permits either house of Congress, committees, or subcommittees requesting information for chamber or committee business to be granted special access to the former President’s records. In practice, observers have questioned what constitutes a House or Senate request for presidential records and who needs to make the request to qualify under the PRA. This statutory ambiguity may impact the ability of minority party members and general committee members to gain access to presidential records.
  As a result of the Presidential and Federal Records Act Amendments of 2014, presidential records are assessed for preservation not by the media used to store the information but rather by the content of the information itself. Questions regarding the volume and completeness of records may be suitable for congressional consideration. Any delay in NARA’s processing of records will directly impact timely access to those records and the ability of NARA to comply with the PRA’s statutory directive to make records available as rapidly and completely as possible.
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• https://sgp.fas.org/crs/secrecy/R46129.pdf

 

[pknopp]

That’s a conservative ‘argument’ – dishonest conservatives are the masters of the red herring fallacy.

And save the rot about ‘both sides.’

Both sided are not ‘the same.’

Outside of a few issues, they are the same. Corporate war mongering whores.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

You really should stay up in the trees you stupid fucking simian.

All POTUS's have presidential libraries full of their unclassified papers.

Brandon's will have loaded diapers and various locks of hair he jacked off to.... but the principle is the same.

That a document might be ‘de-classified’ doesn’t mean the information it contains is no longer confidential or important; the information still needs to be secured and safeguarded.

Presidential libraries likely don’t contain documents concerning national security and military intelligence.

And if they do, they’re properly secured and safeguarded in accordance with the law.

That’s what Trump failed to do, those would be the potential charges against Trump.

 

[basquebromance]

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

They ARE NOT his records to hold...

And even if they were – they must be kept in a secure and lawful manner, which – again – Trump failed to do.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Trump means that those documents were requested and taken by the National Archives, were they belonged to begin with.

Any non declassified document was not taken from Mar O Lago which has no security to keep them.