Grumblenuts
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"We don't understand", "tell us',.. Hoo boy...
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So she meant to do it? Lol you don’t know the lawShe entered the apartment illegally. Then she shot the guy. She killed him during the illegal entry, which automatically ups this to 2nd degree murder.
You need to learn the definition of second degree murder:
Second degree murder is a criminal law term that describes the killing of another human being without premeditation, but with intent. Second degree murder may also refer to a death caused by an individual’s negligent or reckless conduct.
Second Degree Murder
Second degree murder doesn't require premeditation. It does include negligence or reckless conduct which pretty much is what that woman did.
from the accounts I have read she was not charged with 2nd degree murder.
Guyger, a four-year veteran of the Dallas Police Department, initially was charged with manslaughter. Two months later, a grand jury indicted her on a murder charge
She faces up to 99 yrs. in prison.
There are 4 kinds of murder in Texas....none of them are classified as 2nd degree murder.
1. Murder
2. Capital Murder
3. Manslaughter
4. Criminally Negligent Homicide
The lady cop was charged with murder.
When there is not an intent to kill somebody and it is "accidental" (broad interpretation) then the charge is usually manslaughter.
For instance, a couple of years ago here in Florida a drunk driver ran into a car of teenagers killing the driver and hurting the other occupants. Totally responsible. The driver was charged with manslaughter, not murder.
She was originally charged with manslaughter, which was appropriate. However, for SJW reasons the charge was changed to murder and that is despicable.
She was railroaded for political correctness and that is wrong.
It was also wrong for the family to frame the shooting as a racial thing when there is no evidence of it being racially motivated. May they rot in hell for that.
There is a law which says that if you accidentally kill someone in the commission of another crime, the charge automatically becomes second degree murder. For example, if you rob a grocery store, and you accidentally shoot the owner during the robbery, that's second degree murder, even though you had no intention of killing the owner when you went in. Because the woman illegally entered the apartment her shooting of the owner is not manslaughter, it's second degree murder.
THIS is what motivated this trial. 1:20 and beyond shows why this needs to be thrown out.
"This verdict is for Trayvon Martin, for Michael Brown, for ...."
Which was proven to be a mistake.. are you reading the story?Yes she interned to kill someone in her apartment.. wouldn’t you?Well...making a mistake is being incompetent to a certain degree...but many folks in that complex had made the same mistake of going to the wrong apt.
The shooting was justifiable as in she was in fear of her life.
Though I would not call it negligent homicide that is the most she should have been charged with....certainly not murder...look up the definition of murder..it has been posted on here.
It came down to a question, just one. "Did you intend to kill Jean" (paraphrased). She equivocated, but in the end the answer was yes. There is no way she is not guilty of murder. Don't take Fox News blurbs on this. It was a complicated case. It sucks. A guy is dead and a woman will go to prison. The conviction was just. She can get 5 to 99 years in prison. Should she get the 99? No. 5 would be fine and I figure that's what she will get. As well as the loss of her 2nd amendment rights.
Had that been you or I that shot that man we would be thrown under the prison.
If they were in my apartment sure. But he wasn't. She was in his.
Yes, she was in the wrong apartment, but how did that happen? She had to ignore the number on the apartment door right in front of her face, and the welcome mat under her feet, and the look of the hallway when she opened the door. The moment she opened the door, how could she not know it wasn't her home? Her story just is not in any way believable.
Lol deal with the facts snow flakes.. what is you motivation to hate this woman,, what did she do to you?Which was proven to be a mistake.. are you reading the story?Yes she interned to kill someone in her apartment.. wouldn’t you?Well...making a mistake is being incompetent to a certain degree...but many folks in that complex had made the same mistake of going to the wrong apt.
The shooting was justifiable as in she was in fear of her life.
Though I would not call it negligent homicide that is the most she should have been charged with....certainly not murder...look up the definition of murder..it has been posted on here.
It came down to a question, just one. "Did you intend to kill Jean" (paraphrased). She equivocated, but in the end the answer was yes. There is no way she is not guilty of murder. Don't take Fox News blurbs on this. It was a complicated case. It sucks. A guy is dead and a woman will go to prison. The conviction was just. She can get 5 to 99 years in prison. Should she get the 99? No. 5 would be fine and I figure that's what she will get. As well as the loss of her 2nd amendment rights.
Had that been you or I that shot that man we would be thrown under the prison.
If they were in my apartment sure. But he wasn't. She was in his.
I don't play with dogs who can only run in circles.
"we have to stop blaming an entire race for individual actions."
True. Like repeating violent crime statistics to smear an entire "race." Still,. I wonder,..
How many whites gunned down by blacks in their own living rooms while trying to eat ice cream?
If you look at actual states, blacks commit far more violent crimes against whites. This is not to smear blacks, but does refute your smearing of whites."Honest mistake", eh....oh, makes it all better, doesn't it?!Yes, living in an apartment complex, we sometimes get off on the wrong floor, but here's the thing. Every apartment has a number on the door. I got off the elevator on the wrong floor in my friend Larry's building. All of the floors look exactly the same. I went to the door, and the number on the door said 518. Larry lives in 618. I went back to the elevator. Every apartment building I have ever been in has the apartment number on the door.
There was testimony at trial that the deceased's apartment had a welcome mat outside his door. The shooter did not. So in spite of the number on the apartment door, the welcome mat she did not own, she still entered the apartment, pulled out her gun, and shot the man who lived there.
This requires a whole lot more than "negligence" and "negligent homicide" is not the appropriate charge. She made overt moves to deliberately shoot the man.
Bullshit!!!
She made a honest mistake...the same mistake a lot of people have made that live in that complex.
Your personal experience is completely irrelevant and you are wasting board space with that.
When the police officer was confronted she followed police procedure in which she was well trained....she issued a lawful order for the victim to show his hands...he must have realized she was a police officer because she was in uniform...he ignored her order and advanced on her...in fear of her life and with good reason she used her weapon to defend her life...case closed. Miscarriage of justice which will certainly be over-turned for more than one reason.
As has been explained how many times already? This was a tragedy anyway you look at it....but convicting a innocent woman does not remedy anything...just further exacerbates the tragedy.
If the woman was "innocent", then Jean would still be alive. The only tragedy here is that a good man was shot to death in his own home for no reason, by someone so self-absorbed and careless.
Whether or not he was a good man in irrelevant. He was not shot for no reason....what really got him killed was he did not obey the lawful order of a police officer....however one cannot really expect someone so surprised to act in a rational manner....anyhow....a double tragedy the killing of the innocent man and the conviction for murder of the innocent police woman who honestly thought she was defending her life.
No, that's NOT why hes dead.I didn’t ask you who she was texting.. answer the questionTell us what you think she was thinking..Fuck off, control freak!Lol say it chicken shit
You think she broke in to shoot a black man?
You can’t say it, because you sound INSANE
She was sexting her fuck buddy from work.
We learn at a very young age that "but it was an accident" don't make a difference. A man is dead for doing nothing but sitting on his couch and eating ice cream.
Which was proven to be a mistake.. are you reading the story?Yes she interned to kill someone in her apartment.. wouldn’t you?It came down to a question, just one. "Did you intend to kill Jean" (paraphrased). She equivocated, but in the end the answer was yes. There is no way she is not guilty of murder. Don't take Fox News blurbs on this. It was a complicated case. It sucks. A guy is dead and a woman will go to prison. The conviction was just. She can get 5 to 99 years in prison. Should she get the 99? No. 5 would be fine and I figure that's what she will get. As well as the loss of her 2nd amendment rights.
Had that been you or I that shot that man we would be thrown under the prison.
If they were in my apartment sure. But he wasn't. She was in his.
Yes, she was in the wrong apartment, but how did that happen? She had to ignore the number on the apartment door right in front of her face, and the welcome mat under her feet, and the look of the hallway when she opened the door. The moment she opened the door, how could she not know it wasn't her home? Her story just is not in any way believable.
Some people aren't that alert, of course its believable.
If you think that the girl knowingly entered Mr. Jean's apartment on purpose, what was her motive? What interactions did she have with the man previous to this that would have driven her into a murderous rage?
Charged with WHAT?Which was proven to be a mistake.. are you reading the story?Yes she interned to kill someone in her apartment.. wouldn’t you?
If they were in my apartment sure. But he wasn't. She was in his.
Yes, she was in the wrong apartment, but how did that happen? She had to ignore the number on the apartment door right in front of her face, and the welcome mat under her feet, and the look of the hallway when she opened the door. The moment she opened the door, how could she not know it wasn't her home? Her story just is not in any way believable.
Some people aren't that alert, of course its believable.
If you think that the girl knowingly entered Mr. Jean's apartment on purpose, what was her motive? What interactions did she have with the man previous to this that would have driven her into a murderous rage?
The person texting and driving that kills someone did not do it on purpose. They are still going to get charged.
Which was proven to be a mistake.. are you reading the story?Yes she interned to kill someone in her apartment.. wouldn’t you?It came down to a question, just one. "Did you intend to kill Jean" (paraphrased). She equivocated, but in the end the answer was yes. There is no way she is not guilty of murder. Don't take Fox News blurbs on this. It was a complicated case. It sucks. A guy is dead and a woman will go to prison. The conviction was just. She can get 5 to 99 years in prison. Should she get the 99? No. 5 would be fine and I figure that's what she will get. As well as the loss of her 2nd amendment rights.
Had that been you or I that shot that man we would be thrown under the prison.
If they were in my apartment sure. But he wasn't. She was in his.
Yes, she was in the wrong apartment, but how did that happen? She had to ignore the number on the apartment door right in front of her face, and the welcome mat under her feet, and the look of the hallway when she opened the door. The moment she opened the door, how could she not know it wasn't her home? Her story just is not in any way believable.
Some people aren't that alert, of course its believable.
If you think that the girl knowingly entered Mr. Jean's apartment on purpose, what was her motive? What interactions did she have with the man previous to this that would have driven her into a murderous rage?
So all manslaughter cases should now be 1st degree murder?? What did this lady do to you to hate her so much? Be honestI didn’t ask you who she was texting.. answer the questionTell us what you think she was thinking..Fuck off, control freak!Lol say it chicken shit
You think she broke in to shoot a black man?
You can’t say it, because you sound INSANE
She was sexting her fuck buddy from work.
We learn at a very young age that "but it was an accident" don't make a difference. A man is dead for doing nothing but sitting on his couch and eating ice cream.
So all manslaughter cases should now be 1st degree murder?? What did this lady do to you to hate her so much? Be honestI didn’t ask you who she was texting.. answer the questionTell us what you think she was thinking..Fuck off, control freak!
You think she broke in to shoot a black man?
You can’t say it, because you sound INSANE
She was sexting her fuck buddy from work.
We learn at a very young age that "but it was an accident" don't make a difference. A man is dead for doing nothing but sitting on his couch and eating ice cream.
Many have testified they do the same thing.. again are reading the story?Which was proven to be a mistake.. are you reading the story?Yes she interned to kill someone in her apartment.. wouldn’t you?Well...making a mistake is being incompetent to a certain degree...but many folks in that complex had made the same mistake of going to the wrong apt.
The shooting was justifiable as in she was in fear of her life.
Though I would not call it negligent homicide that is the most she should have been charged with....certainly not murder...look up the definition of murder..it has been posted on here.
It came down to a question, just one. "Did you intend to kill Jean" (paraphrased). She equivocated, but in the end the answer was yes. There is no way she is not guilty of murder. Don't take Fox News blurbs on this. It was a complicated case. It sucks. A guy is dead and a woman will go to prison. The conviction was just. She can get 5 to 99 years in prison. Should she get the 99? No. 5 would be fine and I figure that's what she will get. As well as the loss of her 2nd amendment rights.
Had that been you or I that shot that man we would be thrown under the prison.
If they were in my apartment sure. But he wasn't. She was in his.
Yes, she was in the wrong apartment, but how did that happen? She had to ignore the number on the apartment door right in front of her face, and the welcome mat under her feet, and the look of the hallway when she opened the door. The moment she opened the door, how could she not know it wasn't her home? Her story just is not in any way believable.
Charged with WHAT?Which was proven to be a mistake.. are you reading the story?If they were in my apartment sure. But he wasn't. She was in his.
Yes, she was in the wrong apartment, but how did that happen? She had to ignore the number on the apartment door right in front of her face, and the welcome mat under her feet, and the look of the hallway when she opened the door. The moment she opened the door, how could she not know it wasn't her home? Her story just is not in any way believable.
Some people aren't that alert, of course its believable.
If you think that the girl knowingly entered Mr. Jean's apartment on purpose, what was her motive? What interactions did she have with the man previous to this that would have driven her into a murderous rage?
The person texting and driving that kills someone did not do it on purpose. They are still going to get charged.
Yes who’s saying she shouldn’t be charged with something?Which was proven to be a mistake.. are you reading the story?Yes she interned to kill someone in her apartment.. wouldn’t you?
If they were in my apartment sure. But he wasn't. She was in his.
Yes, she was in the wrong apartment, but how did that happen? She had to ignore the number on the apartment door right in front of her face, and the welcome mat under her feet, and the look of the hallway when she opened the door. The moment she opened the door, how could she not know it wasn't her home? Her story just is not in any way believable.
Some people aren't that alert, of course its believable.
If you think that the girl knowingly entered Mr. Jean's apartment on purpose, what was her motive? What interactions did she have with the man previous to this that would have driven her into a murderous rage?
The person texting and driving that kills someone did not do it on purpose. They are still going to get charged.
Which was proven to be a mistake.. are you reading the story?Yes she interned to kill someone in her apartment.. wouldn’t you?
If they were in my apartment sure. But he wasn't. She was in his.
Yes, she was in the wrong apartment, but how did that happen? She had to ignore the number on the apartment door right in front of her face, and the welcome mat under her feet, and the look of the hallway when she opened the door. The moment she opened the door, how could she not know it wasn't her home? Her story just is not in any way believable.
Some people aren't that alert, of course its believable.
If you think that the girl knowingly entered Mr. Jean's apartment on purpose, what was her motive? What interactions did she have with the man previous to this that would have driven her into a murderous rage?
The person texting and driving that kills someone did not do it on purpose. They are still going to get charged.
Many have testified they do the same thing.. again are reading the story?Which was proven to be a mistake.. are you reading the story?Yes she interned to kill someone in her apartment.. wouldn’t you?It came down to a question, just one. "Did you intend to kill Jean" (paraphrased). She equivocated, but in the end the answer was yes. There is no way she is not guilty of murder. Don't take Fox News blurbs on this. It was a complicated case. It sucks. A guy is dead and a woman will go to prison. The conviction was just. She can get 5 to 99 years in prison. Should she get the 99? No. 5 would be fine and I figure that's what she will get. As well as the loss of her 2nd amendment rights.
Had that been you or I that shot that man we would be thrown under the prison.
If they were in my apartment sure. But he wasn't. She was in his.
Yes, she was in the wrong apartment, but how did that happen? She had to ignore the number on the apartment door right in front of her face, and the welcome mat under her feet, and the look of the hallway when she opened the door. The moment she opened the door, how could she not know it wasn't her home? Her story just is not in any way believable.
Which was proven to be a mistake.. are you reading the story?If they were in my apartment sure. But he wasn't. She was in his.
Yes, she was in the wrong apartment, but how did that happen? She had to ignore the number on the apartment door right in front of her face, and the welcome mat under her feet, and the look of the hallway when she opened the door. The moment she opened the door, how could she not know it wasn't her home? Her story just is not in any way believable.
Some people aren't that alert, of course its believable.
If you think that the girl knowingly entered Mr. Jean's apartment on purpose, what was her motive? What interactions did she have with the man previous to this that would have driven her into a murderous rage?
The person texting and driving that kills someone did not do it on purpose. They are still going to get charged.
Possibly.
But I was answering a post of saying that Miss Amber's explanation that she entered the apartment in error was "not believable".
And of course it was "believable".
Whether its a valid defense under Texas law is a different question.
Ok so we should get rid of all manslaughter charges and change to murder? Go ahead chicken shit you sound insane.. what did this great white female do to you?So all manslaughter cases should now be 1st degree murder?? What did this lady do to you to hate her so much? Be honestI didn’t ask you who she was texting.. answer the questionTell us what you think she was thinking..
You think she broke in to shoot a black man?
You can’t say it, because you sound INSANE
She was sexting her fuck buddy from work.
We learn at a very young age that "but it was an accident" don't make a difference. A man is dead for doing nothing but sitting on his couch and eating ice cream.
She didn't catch a first degree charge.
Ok so we should get rid of all manslaughter charges and change to murder? Go ahead chicken shit you sound insane.. what did this great white female do to you?So all manslaughter cases should now be 1st degree murder?? What did this lady do to you to hate her so much? Be honestI didn’t ask you who she was texting.. answer the questionShe was sexting her fuck buddy from work.
We learn at a very young age that "but it was an accident" don't make a difference. A man is dead for doing nothing but sitting on his couch and eating ice cream.
She didn't catch a first degree charge.