Racist groups vs Free Speech, i've converted...

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[Avatar4321]

"Yeah, I'm all about freedom of speech n' stuff, as long as it doesn't offend me, if I don't like the way it's said, or if I think it should offend someone else, or if I just don't like it in general."

What the fuck. What happened to this country?

We stopped being good

 

[westwall]

As many other fellow posters, I too face that dilemma as to whether fully allow KKK members, WS and neo-Nazis to openly spew their hatred or opt to stop their Constitution-allowed speech.

It is a tough conundrum. The problem rests with how that hate speech manages to recruit gullible and somewhat ignorant young people to join in that hate-filled ideology.

The best comparison I can make is whether we would opt to STOP radical Muslims to recruit disenfranchised young people to become terrorists for a dubious cause....After all, we sometime monitor what may go on in a Mosque to intervene if that environment is spewing hate filled and violent behaviors......

We all must make a choice regarding our love of free expression, and our desire to be safe from the spreading of more hatred.

This country was founded upon the principle that ALL speech is "free". People are free, in this country, to make absolute asses of themselves. What they are not allowed to do is attack others for doing likewise. Which is what you are advocating for. When it comes to who are the haters....it's you cupcake... It's you.

 

[OKTexas]

Our laws should determine "hate speech" - and prosecuted accordingly. "Hate speech" is much like pornography - most of us know it when we see or hear it.

Yep, and you folks spew a lot of it. So how about we just outlaw you?.

The Regressives are in charge of what is and is not racism, what is and is not hate, and what is and is not hate speech.

That way, they can control every last thing you say, and ultimately, what you think.
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Yep, and that kind of thinking is what gave them Trump, I say keep it up folks.


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[Flash]

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Don't call them alt left. They aren't an alternative to the left. They are the same leftists they have always been.

The alt right is the same. An alternative to the right isn't right. It's an alternative. It's not right. Which leaves left


The opposite of limited government conservatives is big government. Doesn't matter what side they claim to be one. They are all the same.

I understand and you are correct but Alt Left is such a convenient name as coined by Trump. I think we all know they are greedy big government loving assholes.

 

[Avatar4321]

I think the problem isn't censoring hate speech right now...it's what gets censored after that hate speech. When do we start letting "uncomfortable speech" turn into "hate speech". Don't get me wrong, I can't stand the KKK and groups like them, however as ugly as they might be-they do have all of the same constitutional rights as everybody else.

We don't have the right to not be offended.

Who determines hate speech? The government?

If I say Donald trump is an orange cheeto face, should the government arrest me for hate speech?

How about if I say "the bible teaches that marriage between a man and woman is ordained of God"?

I don't want someone prosecuted for either. Should any man have that power?

Our laws should determine "hate speech" - and prosecuted accordingly. "Hate speech" is much like pornography - most of us know it when we see or hear it.

So we should regulate political speech you don't like but not pornography?

 

[Richard-H]

"Yeah, I'm all about freedom of speech n' stuff, as long as it doesn't offend me, if I don't like the way it's said, or if I think it should offend someone else, or if I just don't like it in general."

What the fuck. What happened to this country?

Did you not learn about the Declaration of Independence or enlightenment philosophy in school?

It seems that where this country went wrong is that too many Americans forgot the basic principals that this country was founded upon.

Those who oppose those principals are un-American and void their rights under those principals.

"Those who oppose those principals are un-American and void their rights under those principals."

And by the way, where is this rule written, please?
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Specifically in 'the Rights of Man and of the Citizen'. But the idea that anyone's rights are limited to the point that infringe upon the rights of another is a well accepted concept in American philosophy and law. Preaching the infringment of other peoples rights should equally be considered to unaccepted.

Ah, so you disagreed with the college students who impeded Ann Coulter's right to speak.
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As far as I know, Ann Coulter has never preached anything that directly contradicted the founding principals, so I do disagree with the students who impeded her right to speech.

 

[OKTexas]

I Disapprove of What You Say, But I Will Defend to the Death Your Right to Say It - Voltaire


The Oath of Enlistment (for enlisted):

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

The Oath of Office (for officers):

"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the _____ (Military Branch) of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God."

'Nuff said.

Actually if you look it up, the quote you attributed to Voltaire was written by and attributed to a woman who did a book on Voltaire.


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[NYcarbineer]

How funny is it to hear rightwing bigots of various stripes demanding their constitutional right to oppose constitutional rights?

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Right here is the problem, everyone who disagrees with the left is a bigot, racist or what ever, they have to be demonized and dehumanized to justify the hate coming form the left, while they attempt to claim some moral high ground. The reality is this poster and many others are nothing but Alinksy acolytes who wish to destroy the very fabric of the country.


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I referred to the rightwingers who are bigots, not the ones who are not.

 

[Avatar4321]

"Witches against White Supremacy" LOL!

Can these Alt Left morons be any more bat shit crazy?



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They think they're witches, so probably not.

Ironically nazis are huge on witchcraft

 

[whitehall]

Are lefties still proud of Justice Brennan's majority opinion in 1989 that struck down laws in 48 states that prohibited the desecration of the Flag? In "Texas vs Johnson" the Supreme Court sided with "The Communist Youth Brigade" and a Mr. Johnson and held that the 1st Amendment authorized young communists to burn the American Flag in public without recrimination.

 

[OKTexas]

So WHERE was the Army or the Police to shut down the fighting between the Fascists and the Fascist AntiFascists in Charlottesville...?

When people publicly profess idea which are clearly contradictory to the most fundamental founding principals of America, it should be considered sedition.

Especially when they are members or allies with a political organization which has engaged in promoting the destruction of the U.S. government and has engaged in genocide (i.e. the KKK and NAZIs)

Many people considered to be Alt-Right do not engage in promoting these ideas, but they should be careful to not be associated with these groups.

You mean folks like the CPUSA that just love endorsing commiecrats? According to regressives anyone who wants to see our laws enforced are Alt Right and part of a hate group. BTW violently suppressing free speech goes against our founding principles.


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The CPUSA has been illegal since the 1950s. They are seditious without a doubt.

Progressives support enforcing the laws of this country except when those laws violate the founding principals.

Free speech is not an unlimited right. Suppressing groups that profess sedition is justified.

Illegal since the 50s, funny how they keep endorsing the candidates on your side every election. Exactly what laws do you consider as violating the founding principles? And what's your opinion on the sedition coming from your side trying to undermine a duly elected government?


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If the CPUSA is endorsing anyone, they're probably operating from websites outside the U.S. I would fully support shutting down the CPUSA, They are clearly seditious.

I consider the laws against marijuana to be in violation of basic American principals. I also consider the resistance to gay marriage to be against those principals - even though I think that homosexuality is repulsive.

I do not think that there is any real attempt to undermine the 2016 Presidential election by the left. The extrodinary amount of contacts between Trump election officials and the Russian government certainly warrants an investigation. It may very well be found that Trump did nothing illegal.

However, the Trump Presidency is obviously being undermined by Donald Trump himself. His obvious incompetence is destroying his Presidency - he needs no help from the left.

We have had many Presidents that are far more conservative that Trump, but none that have been close to his level of incompetence.

He is a joke of a President.

So the resist movement signed on to by virtually everyone on the left is just a figment of our collective imaginations, correct? BTW the faghadist had the exact same protections of every other person of their gender before the supremes violated the Constitution. Also science tells us there are only 2 genders, not 27 or what ever the number dejour being claimed by the left now.


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[Mac1958]

Our laws should determine "hate speech" - and prosecuted accordingly. "Hate speech" is much like pornography - most of us know it when we see or hear it.

Yep, and you folks spew a lot of it. So how about we just outlaw you?.

The Regressives are in charge of what is and is not racism, what is and is not hate, and what is and is not hate speech.

That way, they can control every last thing you say, and ultimately, what you think.
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Yep, and that kind of thinking is what gave them Trump, I say keep it up folks.


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They absolutely refuse to see it.
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[Lakhota]

Adolf Trump tweeted that he applauds those who are speaking out against hate and bigotry. Well, Trump, someone has to.

 

[Richard-H]

How funny is it to hear rightwing bigots of various stripes demanding their constitutional right to oppose constitutional rights?

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Right here is the problem, everyone who disagrees with the left is a bigot, racist or what ever, they have to be demonized and dehumanized to justify the hate coming form the left, while they attempt to claim some moral high ground. The reality is this poster and many others are nothing but Alinksy acolytes who wish to destroy the very fabric of the country.


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Not all Conservatives or even alt-right people are considered racists or bigots by the left. Lot's of their views are respected if not agreed with. Economic populism, anti free trade are a few.

The fact that these people have allowed themselves to become associated with groups that profess extremely un-American views is their won fault.

If you consider the KKK and NAZIS to be part of the 'fabric of this country', then yes, we definitely want to destroy that fabric.

Nonsense. The left frequently calls anyone who disagrees with them as racist regardless of why they are disagreeing.

That's your problem! And the problem of almost all Conservatives in an nutshell!

There is no such thing as 'the left'. I am an individual and speak for myself only. No one speaks for me.

I do not call everyone that I disagree with a racist.

It's the Conservatives in this country that tend to adopt 'lock-step' political points of view. It's the Conservatives that have adopted the term alt-right.

Just look at the Charlottesville 'Unite the Right' rally. Non-racist Conservatives chose to 'Unite' with the KKK, neo-NAZis and other White supremist groups. Your choice to unite into one political block.

If liberals united they way conservatives do there would not be a conservative in governement. Liberals are individuals.

The entire 'Occupy Wall St' movement amounted to nothing because liberals never seem to unite or agree on anything.

If Conservatives had the same sense of individuality that liberals have, there would be no 'Unite the Right'.

So don't blame me for what anyone else has said. That's their opinion. not mine.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

As many other fellow posters, I too face that dilemma as to whether fully allow KKK members, WS and neo-Nazis to openly spew their hatred or opt to stop their Constitution-allowed speech.

It is a tough conundrum. The problem rests with how that hate speech manages to recruit gullible and somewhat ignorant young people to join in that hate-filled ideology.

The best comparison I can make is whether we would opt to STOP radical Muslims to recruit disenfranchised young people to become terrorists for a dubious cause....After all, we sometime monitor what may go on in a Mosque to intervene if that environment is spewing hate filled and violent behaviors......

We all must make a choice regarding our love of free expression, and our desire to be safe from the spreading of more hatred.

The First Amendment exists to protect unpopular speech, as popular speech obviously needs no such protections. Regarding your comparison to Muslim terrorist recruitment, that's a little different. Muslims terrorists are actually harming and killing people. If there is ample evidence that someone is planning an attack that isn't free speech. However, someone just being affiliated with or conversing with a radical element shouldn't necessarily be illegal. With the exception of that tard in Charlottesville with the car, the KKK and neo-Nazis and those other white supremacists jagoffs haven't done lynchings and shit like that in decades. They're basically neutered organizations, who quite frankly, if everyone would simply ignore and stop confronting and giving them all of this media coverage would go back into the holes they crawled out of.

 

[OKTexas]

"Yeah, I'm all about freedom of speech n' stuff, as long as it doesn't offend me, if I don't like the way it's said, or if I think it should offend someone else, or if I just don't like it in general."

What the fuck. What happened to this country?

Did you not learn about the Declaration of Independence or enlightenment philosophy in school?

It seems that where this country went wrong is that too many Americans forgot the basic principals that this country was founded upon.

Those who oppose those principals are un-American and void their rights under those principals.

"Those who oppose those principals are un-American and void their rights under those principals."

And by the way, where is this rule written, please?
.

Specifically in 'the Rights of Man and of the Citizen'. But the idea that anyone's rights are limited to the point that infringe upon the rights of another is a well accepted concept in American philosophy and law. Preaching the infringment of other peoples rights should equally be considered to unaccepted.

Of course forcing someone to create and decorate a cake that they disagree with, by force of law, is not an infringement on their rights, correct?


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There is no such thing as either an unalienable or Constitutional right to do business. It requires a business license and is a privilege, not a right.

Funny I've had a couple of businesses and had nothing but a sales tax number. I guess the rights to LIFE, LIBERTY and THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS only applies if you're independently wealthy and don't have to work to provide for your family. Business licenses are nothing more than a ploy to control people and pick their pockets by regressive governments.


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[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Our laws should determine "hate speech" - and prosecuted accordingly. "Hate speech" is much like pornography - most of us know it when we see or hear it.

You are no better than these neo-Nazi loons, so I don't know what makes you think you have any moral high ground here.

 

[bripat9643]

Here you go....antifa strikes again..

Video: Antifa Attacks Woman Holding American Flag in Boston, Hits and Drags Her Across Boston Common

Do you suppose the fake media will denounce Trump hysterically if he doesn't condemn these ANTIFA thugs?

 

[Lakhota]

As many other fellow posters, I too face that dilemma as to whether fully allow KKK members, WS and neo-Nazis to openly spew their hatred or opt to stop their Constitution-allowed speech.

It is a tough conundrum. The problem rests with how that hate speech manages to recruit gullible and somewhat ignorant young people to join in that hate-filled ideology.

The best comparison I can make is whether we would opt to STOP radical Muslims to recruit disenfranchised young people to become terrorists for a dubious cause....After all, we sometime monitor what may go on in a Mosque to intervene if that environment is spewing hate filled and violent behaviors......

We all must make a choice regarding our love of free expression, and our desire to be safe from the spreading of more hatred.

The First Amendment exists to protect unpopular speech, as popular speech obviously needs no such protections. Regarding your comparison to Muslim terrorist recruitment, that's a little different. Muslims terrorists are actually harming and killing people. If there is ample evidence that someone is planning an attack that isn't free speech. However, someone just being affiliated with or conversing with a radical element shouldn't necessarily be illegal. With the exception of that tard in Charlottesville with the car, the KKK and neo-Nazis and those other white supremacists jagoffs haven't done lynchings and shit like that in decades. They're basically neutered organizations, who quite frankly, if everyone would simply ignore and stop confronting and giving them all of this media coverage would go back into the holes they crawled out of.

Are you one of the dumbasses who ignores that Trump is emboldening and encouraging white nationalist racists with his words and dog whistles? Sounds like it...