Racist groups vs Free Speech, i've converted...

[Cecilie1200]

As many other fellow posters, I too face that dilemma as to whether fully allow KKK members, WS and neo-Nazis to openly spew their hatred or opt to stop their Constitution-allowed speech.

It is a tough conundrum. The problem rests with how that hate speech manages to recruit gullible and somewhat ignorant young people to join in that hate-filled ideology.

The best comparison I can make is whether we would opt to STOP radical Muslims to recruit disenfranchised young people to become terrorists for a dubious cause....After all, we sometime monitor what may go on in a Mosque to intervene if that environment is spewing hate filled and violent behaviors......

We all must make a choice regarding our love of free expression, and our desire to be safe from the spreading of more hatred.

"Many other posters", otherwise known as "freedom-hating control freak leftists".

Why are you so damned afraid of the entire concept of allowing people to make their own choices?

 

[Cecilie1200]

No conundrum at all. Let people speak. If we can't beat people in the arena of ideas, we don't deserve to.

Freedom of expression is about speech we DON'T like, not speech we DO like.
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Not to mention the fact that repugnant scum like white supremacists do more to marginalize themselves by speaking their beliefs freely and loudly than anything else could ever do. Driving them into hiding does nothing to change their minds, and only romanticizes them in the eyes of the dimwits who would be their primary recruiting field.

One fights disgusting ideas through free speech and education, not through repression.

 

[Cecilie1200]

No conundrum at all. Let people speak. If we can't beat people in the arena of ideas, we don't deserve to.

Freedom of expression is about speech we DON'T like, not speech we DO like.

So, you're in full agreement that radical Muslim recruitment should NOT be curtailed or hindered by us, correct?

Yes, OBVIOUSLY if one doesn't wish to take Wite-Out to the First Amendment, that can only mean one wishes to do nothing about radical Muslims, because OBVIOUSLY the only POSSIBLE solution to any and every problem is immediate government repression of rights.

 

[Cecilie1200]

America is not supposed to be a safe space.

Adulthood isn't supposed to be a safe space. That's why we spend 18 years training for it before we can access it.

 

[Avatar4321]

Democrats have been losing power like crazy

Loss of power by the democrats seems to be parallel with the growth of openly displayed racism and bigotry......Funny the way that works.

Not really. You guys go nuts and tend to reveal yourself when you lose power

 

[Avatar4321]

The left frequently calls anyone who disagrees with them as racist regardless of why they are disagreeing.

ONLY when such right wing expressions are displayed, don't you think?

Really? How is opposing Obama care racist?

 

[nat4900]

reveal yourself when you lose power

"Lose power"???................My electricity works just fine.......LOL

 

[nat4900]

Really? How is opposing Obama care racist?

No problem with your ilk opposing the ACA (which is still the nation;s law, by the way)........But, there are other instances displayed by YOUR ilk.......

 

[Desperado]

Whatever happened to the American adage: "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

Nothing wrong with that citation......except it was from a British biographer of the French writer Voltaire.......besides that.....nothing wrong.......LOL

Great adage no matter where i came from,
i heard it from an early age and have always agreed with it,
Unlike you who wants to sensor free speech.

 

[Avatar4321]

What is it with you left wing nut jobs........you want Tom Cruise "Pre-Crime" laws in order to make mass arrests...please...just admit it and we can call it a night.

Don't be an eternal idiot and stop reaching "conclusions" that suit your biases.

Then stop objecting to free speech and people will stop reaching the logical conclusion

 

[MaryL]

We need to define "hate speech". But, like I said before, it's like porn. YOU know it when you see it, but you can't define it. Most of the time it's judgement call. The law requires a strict definition of a category. But human nature is a slippery devil and sometimes defies definition, there within is a quandary. Liberals get that, they LOVE splitting hairs.

 

[nat4900]

Unlike you who wants to sensor free speech.

That "conclusion" you must have gotten out of your fat ass after a few grunts...LOL

 

[Avatar4321]

I'm sure most of those Antifa tards supported Sanders, like that guy who shot Scalise.

A bit of a fucking stretch, don't you think......LOL

Violent socialists backing a socialist.

Not exactly talking Mr Fantastic here

 

[nat4900]

Then stop objecting to free speech and people will stop reaching the logical conclusion

My "objecting to free speech" is a figment of your demented imagination.....

I write posts to help others think a bit beyond the regurgitation of spewed "news"..

 

[nat4900]

Violent socialists backing a socialist.

So, if a violent KKK member backs Trump.....your conclusion then is...............LOL

 

[Norman]

nat must constantly tell himself "OPPOSE FREE SPEECH, OPPOSE FREE SPEECH", as to not forget it.

Hate speech "ORANGE, FAT, HAIR, ORANGE, HAIR, FAT!" comes naturally to him.

 

[Avatar4321]

Hate Speech is like porn, it's subjective and a personal judgement call most of the time. I am just going to repeat this (yawn) again: "You become the thing you hate", to paraphrase Nietzsche. Today it's "racists", yesterday it was communists, the era before, it was witches. The whipping boys of the popular conscience.

I agree.........and in the Handmaiden's Tale there is the interesting quote that basically [paraphrased] states......"Silence makes one Complicit"

Which is what makes your silence towards leftwing violence so telling

 

[Desperado]

Then stop objecting to free speech and people will stop reaching the logical conclusion

My "objecting to free speech" is a figment of your demented imagination.....

I write posts to help others think a bit beyond the regurgitation of spewed "news"..

So you admit you are a troll

 

[nat4900]

So you admit you are a troll

Troll????....LOL

 

[Avatar4321]

Unlike you who wants to sensor free speech.

That "conclusion" you must have gotten out of your fat ass after a few grunts...LOL

Or the op where you literally started a thread on the need to suppress speech you don't like