“Raise the Wage Act”, (H.R. 582) would have increased most USA’s wage-earning families’ incomes.

[danielpalos]

Business knows that there are a low skilled class of people who will accept any meager wage offered. As long as they have a supply of those people, they will pay any wage they can get away with.

Republicans celebrate that as Free Market


But that market does not pay a wage workers can support themselves or a family. The taxpayer picks up the difference in housing aid, food stamps, medical care.

The employer keeps the profit

Yet, corporate welfare has even paid multimillion dollar bonuses to the Richest. Right wingers only complain about the Poor.

 

[danielpalos]

Because only once side has negotiating leverage

That's a lie. One side has cash, the other has labor. Both can negotiate.

Just because the market says you can exploit someone doesn’t mean you should.

The markey doesn't say that. Stop with the childish bromides.

The taxpayer makes up the difference

Irrelevant.

Money was invented, for a capital based reason.

 

[danielpalos]

Minimum wage is one of the dumbest cons liberals ever thought up. Fortunately for them, there are lots of dumb people in the world.

Why do you believe that?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

“Raise the Wage Act”, (H.R. 582) would have increased most USA’s wage-earning families’ incomes.

The last minimum wage bill that was proposed and considered in congress, was H.R. 258, “Raise the Wage Act”. It was passed by the Democratic majority house, then passed on to the Republican majority senate, (where it now lies effectively dead).
Refer to the Congressional Budget office’s, (i.e. CBO’s) minimum wage rate report,
How Increasing the Federal Minimum Wage Could Affect Employment and Family Income | Congressional Budget Office, and follow the link’s instructions to obtain the HR 258 interactive graphs.

Referring to the graph entitled “Average Percentage Change in Real Family Income, by Income Group”: The graph indicates average incomes of families earning less than 3 times the poverty threshold increase. Average incomes of higher income families do not perceivably begin to decrease until those incomes achieve 6 more times the poverty threshold;

(i.e. CBO’s study confirms minimum wage rate’s beneficial effects upon job’s rates are inversely related. Employees within the lowest wage rate brackets most benefit in proportion to their incomes, and those benefits (proportional to incomes) are incrementally lesser as incomes increase. Thus, the wage incomes of most USA’s wage earners would have benefit or would not be detrimentally affected by passage of H.R. 582.

[Six, (6) times a family of three’s income equal or exceeding 6 times the poverty threshold would be $122,000 per year and for a family of four it would well exceed $125,00 per year expressed in 2018 U.S. dollars.]
Respectfully, Supposn

1. doesn't matter how much $$$$ you give stupid people, they will still be poor
2. higher wages = higher prices!!!! SO, they still can't afford things!! DUH

lol. Why abolish slavery then, right wingers. That is what you really want. DUH

slavery and minimum wage---????HAHAHHAHHAHAHA

LOL. Still clueless and Causeless regarding right wing propaganda and rhetoric, right wingers? Y'all want the minimum wage to truly be Zero.

raise minimum wage = raising prices = worthless

why abolish slavery; right wing logic and reasoning = worthless.

minimum wage is not slavery

Still don't remember your right wing parroting propaganda? You Right Wingers want the minimum wage to be zero.

you need to provide proof of that stupidity
Me being right wing want everybody to be paid exactly what the job is worth.
Are you willing to pay a police officer more than they are making?

 

[danielpalos]

Low skill, low wage workers have very little negotiating leverage.

Whose fault is that? The potential employer, the taxpayer, or the individual who hasn't acquired a marketable skill set?

Which is why it is so easy to exploit them.

Poor choices result in undesirable outcomes.

Why we need a minimum wage

Maybe you do, but skilled people do not.

We only need Ten simple Commandments from God not the Tax expense of Government; yet, right wingers cannot even do that.

 

[danielpalos]

They move on and someone else comes in to be exploited.

They gains skills and experience, move on to better jobs and then new unskilled, inexperienced workers move into their first job? Sounds horrible!!! Gotta saw off the lower rungs of that ladder of success, eh comrade?

Black codes are one right wing example of why your logic and reasoning are unsound.

 

[danielpalos]

higher wages = higher prices!!!

Higher wages mean more consumption, less debt, less need for public support.

Higher wages mean more consumption, less debt, less need for public support.

And less consumption, more debt for the business.

Why do you believe that? Higher paid labor creates more in Demand and pays more in Taxes.

 

[danielpalos]

Because central economic planning by a central bank and economic interventionism is the polar opposite of free-market principles/economics.

I agree, so how do we keep a lender of last resort while getting rid of the central planning?

Go back to third world economics. Only the right wing would prefer to sacrifice the end to the means.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

They move on and someone else comes in to be exploited.

They gains skills and experience, move on to better jobs and then new unskilled, inexperienced workers move into their first job? Sounds horrible!!! Gotta saw off the lower rungs of that ladder of success, eh comrade?

Black codes are one right wing example of why your logic and reasoning are unsound.

democrats gave birth to the black codes sorry if that chaps your ass..... no I'm not.

 

[danielpalos]

Business knows that there are a low skilled class of people who will accept any meager wage offered. As long as they have a supply of those people, they will pay any wage they can get away with.

Republicans celebrate that as Free Market


But that market does not pay a wage workers can support themselves or a family. The taxpayer picks up the difference in housing aid, food stamps, medical care.

The employer keeps the profit

Business knows that there are a low skilled class of people who will accept any meager wage offered. As long as they have a supply of those people, they will pay any wage they can get away with.

Then why were only the bottom 2% of hourly workers making at or below the minimum wage?

View attachment 382215

Characteristics of minimum wage workers, 2017 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

In 2017, 80.4 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.3 percent of all wage and salary workers. Among those paid by the hour, 542,000 workers earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. About 1.3 million had wages...

www.bls.gov

.

But that market does not pay a wage workers can support themselves or a family.

Most minimum wage workers are young and live with their parents.

View attachment 382219

Half are under 25. Only about 1% of workers 25 and older earn minimum wage.

Why are more than one million workers earning below the minimum wage in our First World economy?

 

[danielpalos]

Business knows that there are a low skilled class of people who will accept any meager wage offered. As long as they have a supply of those people, they will pay any wage they can get away with.

Republicans celebrate that as Free Market


But that market does not pay a wage workers can support themselves or a family. The taxpayer picks up the difference in housing aid, food stamps, medical care.

The employer keeps the profit

Business knows that there are a low skilled class of people who will accept any meager wage offered. As long as they have a supply of those people, they will pay any wage they can get away with.

Then why were only the bottom 2% of hourly workers making at or below the minimum wage?

View attachment 382215

Characteristics of minimum wage workers, 2017 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

In 2017, 80.4 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.3 percent of all wage and salary workers. Among those paid by the hour, 542,000 workers earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. About 1.3 million had wages...

www.bls.gov

.

But that market does not pay a wage workers can support themselves or a family.

Most minimum wage workers are young and live with their parents.

View attachment 382219

Half are under 25. Only about 1% of workers 25 and older earn minimum wage.

I said low skill workers.

Workers who need public support to survive

I said low skill workers.

Low skill workers should work on their skills before starting a family.

Or simply obey Ten simple Commandments from God so we don't need the Cost of Government. What is the problem, right wingers; lead by moral Example not just talk.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

higher wages = higher prices!!!

Higher wages mean more consumption, less debt, less need for public support.

Higher wages mean more consumption, less debt, less need for public support.

And less consumption, more debt for the business.

Why do you believe that? Higher paid labor creates more in Demand and pays more in Taxes.

higher paid labor creates more demand? explain how you come up with that reasoning?
If it cost me more for labor I'll do it myself which means no one is working or earning money

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Business knows that there are a low skilled class of people who will accept any meager wage offered. As long as they have a supply of those people, they will pay any wage they can get away with.

Republicans celebrate that as Free Market


But that market does not pay a wage workers can support themselves or a family. The taxpayer picks up the difference in housing aid, food stamps, medical care.

The employer keeps the profit

Business knows that there are a low skilled class of people who will accept any meager wage offered. As long as they have a supply of those people, they will pay any wage they can get away with.

Then why were only the bottom 2% of hourly workers making at or below the minimum wage?

View attachment 382215

Characteristics of minimum wage workers, 2017 : BLS Reports: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

In 2017, 80.4 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.3 percent of all wage and salary workers. Among those paid by the hour, 542,000 workers earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. About 1.3 million had wages...

www.bls.gov

.

But that market does not pay a wage workers can support themselves or a family.

Most minimum wage workers are young and live with their parents.

View attachment 382219

Half are under 25. Only about 1% of workers 25 and older earn minimum wage.

Why are more than one million workers earning below the minimum wage in our First World economy?

because they are incapable of earning more money

 

[danielpalos]

3. Fewer Hirings

If business must pay their minimum wage employees more, they cannot afford to hire as many employees. According to a Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago study, “10 percent increase in the minimum wage lowers low skill employment by 2 to 4 percent and total restaurant employment by 1 to 3 percent.” Or instead of hiring fewer employees, the company may start outsourcing jobs to employees in countries that are willing to work for much less than $10.10 per hour, resulting in fewer jobs for Americans.

So what. Employment is at the will of either party and so should unemployment compensation. Obey the laws right wingers.

/—-/ That makes no sense. What are you babbling about?

Being moral enough to obey a simple Commandment from God regarding bearing True Witness to our own at-will employment laws, even for unemployment compensation. Right wingers, never get it.

 

[danielpalos]

Good for you
Low wage and low skilled workers lack the bargaining power.
Doesn’t excuse employers exploiting them.

You just love posting silly things, don't you?

Specifically, how are the poor decisions and lack of personal responsibility the fault of the employer?

lol. Right wingers are best at false witness bearing and practicing the Abomination of Hypocrisy (unto God).

Why did you dodge answering my simple question? Instead, you childishly chose to post a senseless comment.

Specifically, what is not true in my chart listing three ways to avoid poverty? Doesn't that come down to personal responsibility?

One more chance, " Specifically, how are the poor decisions and lack of personal responsibility the fault of the employer?"

Black codes were one hindrance in the past.

 

[danielpalos]

Minimum wage Workers should not need social services as much as they do now

Who are the vast majority of minimum wage workers?

Who's first world economy is it?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

3. Fewer Hirings

If business must pay their minimum wage employees more, they cannot afford to hire as many employees. According to a Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago study, “10 percent increase in the minimum wage lowers low skill employment by 2 to 4 percent and total restaurant employment by 1 to 3 percent.” Or instead of hiring fewer employees, the company may start outsourcing jobs to employees in countries that are willing to work for much less than $10.10 per hour, resulting in fewer jobs for Americans.

So what. Employment is at the will of either party and so should unemployment compensation. Obey the laws right wingers.

/—-/ That makes no sense. What are you babbling about?

Being moral enough to obey a simple Commandment from God regarding bearing True Witness to our own at-will employment laws, even for unemployment compensation. Right wingers, never get it.

irony alert lol

 

[danielpalos]

Low skill, low wage workers have very little negotiating leverage. Which is why it is so easy to exploit them.

Why we need a minimum wage

Yet, corporate welfare is alive and well and has even paid mulitmillion dollar bonuses to the Rich.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Good for you
Low wage and low skilled workers lack the bargaining power.
Doesn’t excuse employers exploiting them.

You just love posting silly things, don't you?

Specifically, how are the poor decisions and lack of personal responsibility the fault of the employer?

lol. Right wingers are best at false witness bearing and practicing the Abomination of Hypocrisy (unto God).

Why did you dodge answering my simple question? Instead, you childishly chose to post a senseless comment.

Specifically, what is not true in my chart listing three ways to avoid poverty? Doesn't that come down to personal responsibility?

One more chance, " Specifically, how are the poor decisions and lack of personal responsibility the fault of the employer?"

Black codes were one hindrance in the past.

black codes are a creation of democrats

 

[danielpalos]

Business knows that there are a low skilled class of people who will accept any meager wage offered. As long as they have a supply of those people, they will pay any wage they can get away with.

Republicans celebrate that as Free Market


But that market does not pay a wage workers can support themselves or a family. The taxpayer picks up the difference in housing aid, food stamps, medical care.

The employer keeps the profit

What is the typical household income where one of the workers earns the minimum wage?

Enough to qualify for means tested welfare?