Rand Paul is Filibustering John Brennan

[JoeB131]

Even though there’s no evidence of wrong-doing by the president.

For partisan rightists impeachment of Obama is ‘justified’ because the president is a democrat, and no other reason.

And black, which is what angers them more.

Had to pull out the old race card didn't you as a last resort? It is the old stand by when the heat gets to hot on an issue, especially if a black person is involved in which you just used him for... Your sliding down a slope, so grab hold before you begin slobbering all over yourself with that early morning drink your having.

90% of the anger against Obama is racial. You'd have to be stupid not to see this. Or in denial.

 

[beagle9]

But now the black guy is doing EXACTLY what you said we should do. Except he's actually killing the right people.

You have no credibility, as you are a player of words instead of a realist who wants to explore all sides of an issue, and then make good judgment on the issues in which makes sense to those around you.

The Black guy eh ?

 

[beagle9]

And black, which is what angers them more.

Had to pull out the old race card didn't you as a last resort? It is the old stand by when the heat gets to hot on an issue, especially if a black person is involved in which you just used him for... Your sliding down a slope, so grab hold before you begin slobbering all over yourself with that early morning drink your having.

90% of the anger against Obama is racial. You'd have to be stupid not to see this. Or in denial.

This is what might be seen coming from a racist himself, so are you a closet racist maybe ?

 

[JoeB131]

Had to pull out the old race card didn't you as a last resort? It is the old stand by when the heat gets to hot on an issue, especially if a black person is involved in which you just used him for... Your sliding down a slope, so grab hold before you begin slobbering all over yourself with that early morning drink your having.

90% of the anger against Obama is racial. You'd have to be stupid not to see this. Or in denial.

This is what might be seen coming from a racist himself, so are you a closet racist maybe ?

It's always fun to watch you guys get wrapped around the axle when someone points out your animus against this president is largely based on his race.

 

[JoeB131]

But now the black guy is doing EXACTLY what you said we should do. Except he's actually killing the right people.

You have no credibility, as you are a player of words instead of a realist who wants to explore all sides of an issue, and then make good judgment on the issues in which makes sense to those around you.

The Black guy eh ?

There's no issue to explore.

The GOP, a party I belonged to for decades, has become so warped with hate and crazy that in their world, they have to get a written promise that Obama isn't going to blow them up when they are at home because they'd really think he'd do that to them.

Someone should have thrown a net over Rand Paul for being a paranoid loon, instead he's now the "leader of the Republican Party".

 

[beagle9]

I have.

You see, here's the thing.

Dead Nazis don't bother me. Dead religous fanatics are downright fucking hilarious.

Those people were too stupid to live. Darwinism in action, baby.

Easy to label them and take away their being American isn't it, so is this what you will support the feds doing in the future maybe ?

Weaver and Koresh were given ample oppurtunities to turn themselves in and face the legal music.

They chose to commit suicide by cop instead. It's too bad they took a few innocent people down with them.

Fuck them.

Your analogy maybe, even though wrong, because many saw it differently, and so looking back now even strengthens their positions on the wrongful approach in which the feds took in these cases... Waco was secluded and surrounded, they could have easily waited them out, but the feds reputation for not solving an issue fast was at stake, because when you call them in or they come in with their mightiness and arrogance, then bad things begin to happen quickly as a result of. To many cases to look back on and see this now, especially when dealing with the American people over political and personal ideologies in which they might have, wherefore these events could be solved peacefully in most all cases, where as the waiting game just needs to be used in order to do so every time, and not this push to kill due to the arrogant power of the feds or even local governments to put down people who challenge the system over what they feel is just wrong, and this for what may have come over a serious grievance in which they might have, and could easily be solved peacefully if taken that approach. The other thing at stake, is if the feds or locals have something to hide, then it's destroy the evidence, and if this means people also to be destroyed just as well then look out, because it has been done in the past, and this is why more power and technology against the citizens of this nation is a big issue for many.

Just look at how a few on the left are trying to play the Dorner case, where as they are suggesting now that the police used an incendiary device to rid the world of this guy, even though they probably didn't, but the people don't trust the government or the local authorities, so it is understandable why the left is in agreement with the right on such an issue. This agreeing with is placing the President out of sync with the American people on such an issue, wherefore Rand Paul was all of their spokesman on that day.

 

[candycorn]

Easy to label them and take away their being American isn't it, so is this what you will support the feds doing in the future maybe ?

Weaver and Koresh were given ample oppurtunities to turn themselves in and face the legal music.

They chose to commit suicide by cop instead. It's too bad they took a few innocent people down with them.

Fuck them.

Your analogy maybe, even though wrong, because many saw it differently, and so looking back now even strengthens their positions on the wrongful approach in which the feds took in these cases... Waco was secluded and surrounded, they could have easily waited them out, but the feds reputation for not solving an issue fast was at stake, because when you call them in or they come in with their mightiness and arrogance, then bad things begin to happen quickly as a result of. To many cases to look back on and see this now, especially when dealing with the American people over political and personal ideologies in which they might have, wherefore these events could be solved peacefully in most all cases, where as the waiting game just needs to be used in order to do so every time, and not this push to kill due to the arrogant power of the feds or even local governments to put down people who challenge the system over what they feel is just wrong, and this for what may have come over a serious grievance in which they might have, and could easily be solved peacefully if taken that approach. The other thing at stake, is if the feds or locals have something to hide, then it's destroy the evidence, and if this means people also to be destroyed just as well then look out, because it has been done in the past, and this is why more power and technology against the citizens of this nation is a big issue for many.

Just look at how a few on the left are trying to play the Dorner case, where as they are suggesting now that the police used an incendiary device to rid the world of this guy, even though they probably didn't, but the people don't trust the government or the local authorities, so it is understandable why the left is in agreement with the right on such an issue. This agreeing with is placing the President out of sync with the American people on such an issue, wherefore Rand Paul was all of their spokesman on that day.

The paranoid few should not be confused with the reasoned masses.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

I think when you are planting your ass in a middle eastern country in the middle of a Jihadist camp, you pretty much forfeit the whole "Due Process" thingee.

Well there's a terrible argument. Did the "Manson Family" forfeit their due process when they planted their asses in the middle of a psychopath camp? No. If you argue that by allegedly doing something bad you forfeit your due process rights then you've essentially said that nobody ever has due process rights. They can be taken away for anything.

Again- we have a remedy for that- it's called "Impeachment".

Not that I think a missile strike on the Manson family would have been a bad thing.

Weren't you "conservatives" the ones who used to complain that the problem with Clinton war on Al Qaeda was that they issued arrest warrants and treated acts of war like a criminal problem.

At least that's what you did when Bush was randomly attacking countries that had nothing to do with 9/11.

But now the black guy is doing EXACTLY what you said we should do. Except he's actually killing the right people.

Except you're just blindly accepting his assurances that he's killing the right guys, and you'll have to excuse the rest of us who don't trust politicians with these decisions. As for impeachment, that's a solution without teeth. The problem is the imperial Presidency, and just putting a different person in office does nothing.

Also, not everyone who supports Rand's filibuster is a conservative. I'm certainly not, Van Jones isn't, Code Pink isn't made up of many conservatives, and nor is the ACLU. So trying to lump everybody who disagrees with you on this issue in as a "conservative" or a supporter of George W. Bush, is nonsensical. We simply, regardless of ideology, are interested in preserving the rule of law.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Even though there’s no evidence of wrong-doing by the president.

For partisan rightists impeachment of Obama is ‘justified’ because the president is a democrat, and no other reason.

And black, which is what angers them more.

Had to pull out the old race card didn't you as a last resort? It is the old stand by when the heat gets to hot on an issue, especially if a black person is involved in which you just used him for... Your sliding down a slope, so grab hold before you begin slobbering all over yourself with that early morning drink your having.

I'd like to note the hypocrisy of somebody whining about supposed racism after they've claimed it's ok to kill some people based only on their religious beliefs.

 

[candycorn]

I think when you are planting your ass in a middle eastern country in the middle of a Jihadist camp, you pretty much forfeit the whole "Due Process" thingee.

Well there's a terrible argument. Did the "Manson Family" forfeit their due process when they planted their asses in the middle of a psychopath camp? No. If you argue that by allegedly doing something bad you forfeit your due process rights then you've essentially said that nobody ever has due process rights. They can be taken away for anything.

Again- we have a remedy for that- it's called "Impeachment".

Not that I think a missile strike on the Manson family would have been a bad thing.

Weren't you "conservatives" the ones who used to complain that the problem with Clinton war on Al Qaeda was that they issued arrest warrants and treated acts of war like a criminal problem.

At least that's what you did when Bush was randomly attacking countries that had nothing to do with 9/11.

But now the black guy is doing EXACTLY what you said we should do. Except he's actually killing the right people.

Great post...top drawer stuff.

 

[Annie]

Well there's a terrible argument. Did the "Manson Family" forfeit their due process when they planted their asses in the middle of a psychopath camp? No. If you argue that by allegedly doing something bad you forfeit your due process rights then you've essentially said that nobody ever has due process rights. They can be taken away for anything.

Again- we have a remedy for that- it's called "Impeachment".

Not that I think a missile strike on the Manson family would have been a bad thing.

Weren't you "conservatives" the ones who used to complain that the problem with Clinton war on Al Qaeda was that they issued arrest warrants and treated acts of war like a criminal problem.

At least that's what you did when Bush was randomly attacking countries that had nothing to do with 9/11.

But now the black guy is doing EXACTLY what you said we should do. Except he's actually killing the right people.

Great post...top drawer stuff.

Huh? Obama is still arguing for Gitmo closed and trials in NY for 'suspected terrorists' some caught in acts of actual terrorism. Same folks arguing for drones firing missiles on Americans on American soil, 'suspected' of terrorist ties.

Thankfully the left is always consistent.

 

[Intense]

Again- we have a remedy for that- it's called "Impeachment".

Not that I think a missile strike on the Manson family would have been a bad thing.

Weren't you "conservatives" the ones who used to complain that the problem with Clinton war on Al Qaeda was that they issued arrest warrants and treated acts of war like a criminal problem.

At least that's what you did when Bush was randomly attacking countries that had nothing to do with 9/11.

But now the black guy is doing EXACTLY what you said we should do. Except he's actually killing the right people.

Great post...top drawer stuff.

Huh? Obama is still arguing for Gitmo closed and trials in NY for 'suspected terrorists' some caught in acts of actual terrorism. Same folks arguing for drones firing missiles on Americans on American soil, 'suspected' of terrorist ties.

Thankfully the left is always consistent.

Consistent in hypocrisy. Us and Them mentality.

 

[candycorn]

Again- we have a remedy for that- it's called "Impeachment".

Not that I think a missile strike on the Manson family would have been a bad thing.

Weren't you "conservatives" the ones who used to complain that the problem with Clinton war on Al Qaeda was that they issued arrest warrants and treated acts of war like a criminal problem.

At least that's what you did when Bush was randomly attacking countries that had nothing to do with 9/11.

But now the black guy is doing EXACTLY what you said we should do. Except he's actually killing the right people.

Great post...top drawer stuff.

Huh? Obama is still arguing for Gitmo closed and trials in NY for 'suspected terrorists' some caught in acts of actual terrorism. Same folks arguing for drones firing missiles on Americans on American soil, 'suspected' of terrorist ties.

Thankfully the left is always consistent.

Really? Who's making that argument?

The GOP has lost the popular vote in 5 of the last 6 presidential elections. Damn right consistent
#332-206

 

[Intense]

Great post...top drawer stuff.

Huh? Obama is still arguing for Gitmo closed and trials in NY for 'suspected terrorists' some caught in acts of actual terrorism. Same folks arguing for drones firing missiles on Americans on American soil, 'suspected' of terrorist ties.

Thankfully the left is always consistent.

Really? Who's making that argument?

The GOP has lost the popular vote in 5 of the last 6 presidential elections. Damn right consistent
#332-206

So the DNC is superior in Smear Campaigns and tactics?

How about applying that wisdom to governing and fiscal responsibility?

Or is it all really smoke and mirrors?

 

[candycorn]

Great post...top drawer stuff.

Huh? Obama is still arguing for Gitmo closed and trials in NY for 'suspected terrorists' some caught in acts of actual terrorism. Same folks arguing for drones firing missiles on Americans on American soil, 'suspected' of terrorist ties.

Thankfully the left is always consistent.

Consistent in hypocrisy. Us and Them mentality.

And this surprises you on a Politics message board? This ain't church lady.

 

[JoeB131]

Your analogy maybe, even though wrong, because many saw it differently, and so looking back now even strengthens their positions on the wrongful approach in which the feds took in these cases... Waco was secluded and surrounded, they could have easily waited them out, but the feds reputation for not solving an issue fast was at stake, because when you call them in or they come in with their mightiness and arrogance, then bad things begin to happen quickly as a result of.

Right. Let's leave all those kids in the building with the pedophile preacher who thinks the end of the world is coming. It's not like he's going to have them commit mass suicide.

Oh. Wait. They did commit Mass suicide.

To many cases to look back on and see this now, especially when dealing with the American people over political and personal ideologies in which they might have, wherefore these events could be solved peacefully in most all cases, where as the waiting game just needs to be used in order to do so every time, and not this push to kill due to the arrogant power of the feds or even local governments to put down people who challenge the system over what they feel is just wrong, and this for what may have come over a serious grievance in which they might have, and could easily be solved peacefully if taken that approach. The other thing at stake, is if the feds or locals have something to hide, then it's destroy the evidence, and if this means people also to be destroyed just as well then look out, because it has been done in the past, and this is why more power and technology against the citizens of this nation is a big issue for many.

Yawn, only if you are a paranoid loon upset the black guy is in office... He might want to date your sister next.

Just look at how a few on the left are trying to play the Dorner case, where as they are suggesting now that the police used an incendiary device to rid the world of this guy, even though they probably didn't, but the people don't trust the government or the local authorities, so it is understandable why the left is in agreement with the right on such an issue. This agreeing with is placing the President out of sync with the American people on such an issue, wherefore Rand Paul was all of their spokesman on that day.

I don't know anyone who is making a hero out of Dorner, or really are sad that he's dead. Maybe you need to stop watching Faux News.

 

[JoeB131]

Well there's a terrible argument. Did the "Manson Family" forfeit their due process when they planted their asses in the middle of a psychopath camp? No. If you argue that by allegedly doing something bad you forfeit your due process rights then you've essentially said that nobody ever has due process rights. They can be taken away for anything.

Again- we have a remedy for that- it's called "Impeachment".

Not that I think a missile strike on the Manson family would have been a bad thing.

Weren't you "conservatives" the ones who used to complain that the problem with Clinton war on Al Qaeda was that they issued arrest warrants and treated acts of war like a criminal problem.

At least that's what you did when Bush was randomly attacking countries that had nothing to do with 9/11.

But now the black guy is doing EXACTLY what you said we should do. Except he's actually killing the right people.

Except you're just blindly accepting his assurances that he's killing the right guys, and you'll have to excuse the rest of us who don't trust politicians with these decisions. As for impeachment, that's a solution without teeth. The problem is the imperial Presidency, and just putting a different person in office does nothing.

Also, not everyone who supports Rand's filibuster is a conservative. I'm certainly not, Van Jones isn't, Code Pink isn't made up of many conservatives, and nor is the ACLU. So trying to lump everybody who disagrees with you on this issue in as a "conservative" or a supporter of George W. Bush, is nonsensical. We simply, regardless of ideology, are interested in preserving the rule of law.

First, I wouldn't take his assurances on anything. but if he did get the wrong people, we'd find out about it pretty quick. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean I have to be.

Second, while both the whacks on the left and the right are afraid of these dystopian things, I dont' worry about them. I worry about the little incursions of minor regulations that are ridiculous. Something really big like this, meh, don't worry about it that much.

Again, Clinton got impeached over a blow job, and they had to build a wall of bodies around him to protect him. You think anyone would go to war for Obama if he blew up the Johnson Family by mistake?

 

[beagle9]

And black, which is what angers them more.

Had to pull out the old race card didn't you as a last resort? It is the old stand by when the heat gets to hot on an issue, especially if a black person is involved in which you just used him for... Your sliding down a slope, so grab hold before you begin slobbering all over yourself with that early morning drink your having.

I'd like to note the hypocrisy of somebody whining about supposed racism after they've claimed it's ok to kill some people based only on their religious beliefs.

Exactly...

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Again- we have a remedy for that- it's called "Impeachment".

Not that I think a missile strike on the Manson family would have been a bad thing.

Weren't you "conservatives" the ones who used to complain that the problem with Clinton war on Al Qaeda was that they issued arrest warrants and treated acts of war like a criminal problem.

At least that's what you did when Bush was randomly attacking countries that had nothing to do with 9/11.

But now the black guy is doing EXACTLY what you said we should do. Except he's actually killing the right people.

Except you're just blindly accepting his assurances that he's killing the right guys, and you'll have to excuse the rest of us who don't trust politicians with these decisions. As for impeachment, that's a solution without teeth. The problem is the imperial Presidency, and just putting a different person in office does nothing.

Also, not everyone who supports Rand's filibuster is a conservative. I'm certainly not, Van Jones isn't, Code Pink isn't made up of many conservatives, and nor is the ACLU. So trying to lump everybody who disagrees with you on this issue in as a "conservative" or a supporter of George W. Bush, is nonsensical. We simply, regardless of ideology, are interested in preserving the rule of law.

First, I wouldn't take his assurances on anything. but if he did get the wrong people, we'd find out about it pretty quick. Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean I have to be.

Second, while both the whacks on the left and the right are afraid of these dystopian things, I dont' worry about them. I worry about the little incursions of minor regulations that are ridiculous. Something really big like this, meh, don't worry about it that much.

Again, Clinton got impeached over a blow job, and they had to build a wall of bodies around him to protect him. You think anyone would go to war for Obama if he blew up the Johnson Family by mistake?

And just because you're naive doesn't mean the rest of us have to be. How are we going to find out about it when everything is kept top secret on the basis of it being a threat to national security?

Well I'm glad you don't worry about it, good for you. Some of us do. It doesn't make us whacks to worry that the President, Obama or a future President, may abuse the power to kill people that they don't even constitutionally have in the first place.

Yes, as a matter of fact I do. I think many people would defend the President, as evidenced by the fact that there are people who defend him when he blows up innocent civilians overseas. It's just collateral damage, after all.

 

[beagle9]

Great post...top drawer stuff.

Huh? Obama is still arguing for Gitmo closed and trials in NY for 'suspected terrorists' some caught in acts of actual terrorism. Same folks arguing for drones firing missiles on Americans on American soil, 'suspected' of terrorist ties.

Thankfully the left is always consistent.

Really? Who's making that argument?

The GOP has lost the popular vote in 5 of the last 6 presidential elections. Damn right consistent
#332-206

Ride the wave while you can, because soon the people will wake back up to supporting someone who does not take advantage of or let a good crisis go to waste, especially for personal agenda filled reasons in which such a crisis was used for just to boost this President into power. It was only by him and his handlers playing upon the confusion found in it all, and their slick way of speaking did he take advantage of the situations that had taken place or was created by players on all sides of the isle before him, and so it was that he was like a snake in the grass watching the action until he could finally pounce. Most of it couldn't be understood by the average Joe, except for how he or she was being affected by it all, and Obama knew this when made his moves to ensnare them with his silver tongue. Now the people are realizing what happend, and they realize what has stepped in to fill the power vacum created by some underhanded players who set the whole thing a blaze back in the day.

How many more loose lipped slips or scandals must the people endure or be exposed to in print, before they realize what we have as a government once again?