Reaganites are RINOs

[Weatherman2020]

Military moral skyrocketed.
Generations old Cold War was won. Russian leaders were relaxing at the Reagan ranch instead of chest thumping.
Economy went from 13% unemployment and 22% home loan rates to normal levels. One million jobs were gained in one month.
Taxes on average Americans plummeted.
Initiated Star Wars which we are reaping the benefits of today.
Took on government unions and won.
And most of all established a positive outlook that Americans emulated.

We're not saying Reagan didn't do good things. To enshrine him in the cloak of all things right and just is where I take issue. Reagan had many faults and was only considered a great president because Jimmy Carter was so motherfucking horrible, and generations had passed since a president was pro-business (the last being Coolidge or maybe Eisenhower).

Name a better modern day President.
Hell, Washington and Lincoln had some pretty good faults too. It's called being a human being.

 

[Weatherman2020]

If Trump has years 2-4 like he did year one, he may replace Reagan as the best modern President in history.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Name a better modern day President

Already did. Calvin Coolidge.

 

[Correll]

I think that you are overstating the case, quit a bit,


BUT, another point is that times have changed. A couple of examples.


1. Being a strong anti-communist is less central now.

2. Free Trade was a policy that made a lot of sense then. Now, it, at least as it has been practiced, is obviously an utter failure.

3. Immigration was a very different situation then. A reasonable person could reasonable expect things to work out without much fuss. Now only the deeply deluded could think that.


Just off the top of my head. I'm sure there is more, that will come up.

I just cant buy what ifs. You have no idea if his beliefs would be different or not.
The fact is, if reagan was POTUS today, he would either be a D or be slammed by the repubs for being a RINO

no I disagree bigtime with that assessment. In the 80s you had the Reagan faction and the Bush/establishment faction. The RINOS are the Bush/establishment faction. Reagan liked to tangle, he would compromise but he wouldn't go down without a fight.
As for policy-
1) tax Cuts, he would approve and di so himself to great success
2)Amnesty- he tried it, it failed badly, I'm sure he'd be close to the build a wall/security first position that conservatives have today
3)free trade, we were all for it, until we found out it wasn't free trade. For example, the idea was we open our markets, and pick a country opens theirs, but that's not how it happened so it was a disaster, I doubt he'd redo that
4)Regulation reform, I think he'd like the Trump policy of remove 2 regs for each new one
5)repealing Obamacare, He would definitely be for that
6)Strong Military...and will go to war when necessary...but try to avoid it

So the idea is the establishmet were the Bush faction:
1) that didn't like tax cuts
2)wants amnesty...AGAIN (insanity as they say)
3)wants more free trade(aka one sided trade to our detriment)
4)I think they're for regulation reform, but you never know
5)Say they're for Obamacare repeal, but never quite get the right bill to vote for...hmmm
6)Strong military...but loves war a little too much


The only area would be foreign policy, since Reagan was in the middle of the cold war, it's hard to see where he would go, but I think he didn't like the UN much, loved Israel and that's about all I can say on foreing policy

But in the end, I think he would love the Trump agenda and he might not like all the tweets, he'd like the fighting spirit.

You are assuming the actions of a dead man. Fallacy central.

Not really, knowing his positions....I mean sure he's dead, so if you're taking that position why pose the question?

I know his positions too. You know, his ACTUAL action.

Taking the past position of someone and ignoring the changes in the environment is just as bad as "assuming the actions of a dead man."




If FDR was President today, he would not bomb Germany and Japan, for example.