Religion of peace via their man made "submission" strikes again

[PoliticalChic]

As we have just proven you to be both biased and full of hot air.....why are you back?

It appears you have a need to answer the insecurities you have about your own choices.
True?

I believe in you, I believe that you can love as much as we do and answer "yes" to that question: "if they were in Jesus' shoes would have spoken up w/in the last 2000 years and said that the bible was wrong to say to kill gays, and that they don't get to heaven (god/Jesus control access to heaven), and that you (Jesus) was wrong to not have spoken up for gay rights?"

I can't imagine a loving, caring, all-knowing god (if any) would punish you for answering "yes" to this question. In fact, it might be risky to NOT be able to find the love to answer "yes" to this question. If there is such an after-life judge, would he not be loving, and punish you for not being loving as well?

Have a great week.

Seems you have yet to come to terms with your own doubts.

It's a start.

I'd love to understand why you harbor so much hatred towards LGBT (look, you can believe what you want, it's a free country, I still care about you.) Keep in mind that just because all 3 of the main Abrahamic faiths teach hatred towards those that are different (gays, non-believers) doesn't mean that you can't embrace the good parts of those religions, and jettison the bad parts - that's part of what Scientific Humanists do. Buy into the love of those religions, but don't bring forward the hatred.
Can you tell us?

Let's review:
1. You wouldn't respond to how the universe was created
........

I'm hopeful that w/in the next 500 years or so that science will show us to a much higher level of certainty than what we know today. Patience, mi amigo, patience. We don't have to resort to fairy-tale-sounding ancient stories if we don't have all the answers right today.

"I'm hopeful that w/in the next 500 years or so that science will show us to a much higher level of certainty than what we know today."

Is that the same 'science' that says the universe came from 'nothing'?

I just need to know.


"We don't have to resort to fairy-tale-sounding ancient stories...'
But atheistic 'scientists' do so all the time....and they admit it, knowing that dunces like you will go 'duh...yup...yup.'

Need proof?
Sure:
Professor Richard Lewontin, a geneticist (and self-proclaimed Marxist), is certainly one of the world’s leaders in evolutionary biology.
He wrote this very revealing comment:
“‘We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.” Lewontin explains why one must accept absurdities: “…we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.”

Some science, huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let's review:
1. You wouldn't respond to how the universe was created
2. You didn't provide any quotes of Jesus demanding the killing you've suggested
3. You exude bias in every post
4.You lie...."you harbor so much hatred towards LGBT"
5. In all, you're a great spokesperson for whatever cult you're pushing
If you were an undertaker, people would stop dying.

I believe in you - some day you'll find it in your heart to answer "yes" to that gay-loving question. I know it.

If I was wrong and "you [DON'T] harbor so much hatred towards LGBT" then I'm pretty sure that you could answer "yes" to the question, no? That seems reasonable, but if I'm wrong then please tell me where.
Thanks.

.......

(It's the old 'how to keep an idiot busy' from junior high)

Ideally we can respect other forum members enough on this forum to be positive and not call them names.

Have a great afternoon.

Names?

I accurately describe.

As I did you.

"idiot", you said.

I checked the definition in Meriam-Webster.
Yup....that's what I meant.

Wear it well!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let's review:
1. You wouldn't respond to how the universe was created
2. You didn't provide any quotes of Jesus demanding the killing you've suggested
3. You exude bias in every post
4.You lie...."you harbor so much hatred towards LGBT"
5. In all, you're a great spokesperson for whatever cult you're pushing
If you were an undertaker, people would stop dying.

I believe in you - some day you'll find it in your heart to answer "yes" to that gay-loving question. I know it.

If I was wrong and "you [DON'T] harbor so much hatred towards LGBT" then I'm pretty sure that you could answer "yes" to the question, no? That seems reasonable, but if I'm wrong then please tell me where.
Thanks.

Did you find that quote for me yet...where Jesus demands the killing of gays?

Not yet?

Keep looking.

(It's the old 'how to keep an idiot busy' from junior high)

If he was as loving as Scientific Humanists he would have, in 2000 years, condemned the writings in the main book about HIM (the Bible) that say to KILL gays, of course. Expect more from a person who claims to be all-knowing. He'd have spoken up for gay rights - he claimed to be a moral teacher. Expect more from a person who claims to be all-knowing. He's also have clarified, or changed, the policy in Romans that says gays can't get into heaven. Expect more from a person who claims to be all-knowing.

See, if I can't find a quote of Hitler's were he specifically says "gas all the Jews!", it doesn't absolve Hitler, of course.

You agree with the policy of keeping gays out of heaven, and sending them to hell, or do you feel that the Bible got that dead wrong, like Scientific Humanists do? I think you fully agree with the policy, but are trying to get out on a technicality (such as "Hitler did not say to gas all the Jews!!!!")...see what I mean?

But I value our chats, and I'm learning things.

Take care.

Wait.....are you now admitting that Jesus never .....NEVER....said to kill gays????

But...but.......that was your whole argument!!!

......!

No, that's not true.

He DID say kill gays????

You're back to that????

 

[Joy4Uall]

I'd love to understand why you harbor so much hatred towards LGBT (look, you can believe what you want, it's a free country, I still care about you.) Keep in mind that just because all 3 of the main Abrahamic faiths teach hatred towards those that are different (gays, non-believers) doesn't mean that you can't embrace the good parts of those religions, and jettison the bad parts - that's part of what Scientific Humanists do. Buy into the love of those religions, but don't bring forward the hatred.
Can you tell us?

Let's review:
1. You wouldn't respond to how the universe was created
2. You didn't provide any quotes of Jesus demanding the killing you've suggested
3. You exude bias in every post
4.You lie...."you harbor so much hatred towards LGBT"
5. In all, you're a great spokesperson for whatever cult you're pushing
If you were an undertaker, people would stop dying.

I believe in you - some day you'll find it in your heart to answer "yes" to that gay-loving question. I know it.

If I was wrong and "you [DON'T] harbor so much hatred towards LGBT" then I'm pretty sure that you could answer "yes" to the question, no? That seems reasonable, but if I'm wrong then please tell me where.
Thanks.

Did you find that quote for me yet...where Jesus demands the killing of gays?

Not yet?

Keep looking.

(It's the old 'how to keep an idiot busy' from junior high)

We don't know 100% what "heaven/hell" (if any) is actually like regarding gays - because god/Jesus are not very good communicators - no one does....but can we at least agree that if, repeat if, hypothetically speaking, for argument's sake here, that if god/Jesus send gays to hell even if they are moral people that you, like Scientific Humanists, would condemn god/Jesus in no uncertain terms? Can we agree on that hypothetical?

You don't have to agree with us - but if you don't, then please realize that if you love people as much as we do that you'll eventually agree with us someday on that.
Thanks.

Oh...wait....new argument, now that your old was was shredded....now you claim Jesus said he'd send gays to Hell?

If it's not asking too much.....could I see the quote?

I said that the Bible says gays go to hell, and it also says that god/Jesus decide who goes to hell - that's what I'm saying. Here are all the Biblical verses regarding gays, and this does not bode well for god/Jesus loving gays:

1. 
   Genesis
   
   "And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him."
2. What did Ham do? Did he just look at his naked father or was there something more to it than that? Some commentators have suggested that Ham committed homosexual rape on his drunken father, and that this was why Ham's descendants were eternally punished with slavery. 9:24
   Gay Bible Stories: Noah's drunkenness (What did Ham do?)
   
   
   
3. This verse doesn't say what the Sodomites did to make them such exceedingly great sinners, though most bible believers equate "Sodomite" with homosexual. (But see Ezekiel 16:49, which claims the sins of Sodom were pride, gluttony, sloth, greed, and failure to help the poor.) 13:13
   
   
   
4. The two angels that visit Lot wash their feet, eat, and are sexually irresistible to Sodomites. 19:1-5
   
   
   
5. God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah. This was because, so say the Christian Right, some homosexuals lived there (See 19:4-5). 19:24-25
   Sodom's sin
   
   
   
6. "And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, which she had born unto Abraham, mocking."
   What did Sarah see that disturbed her so much? 21:9
   Possibly Gay Bible Stories #1 - Ishmael and Isaac: What did Sarah see?
   Jonathan Kirsch suggests in The Harlot by the Side of the Road that the "play" between Isaac and Ishmael may have been of a sexual nature, noting that the same word is used to describe the behaviour of Ishmael and Isaac as is used in 26:8 to describe Isaac's fondling of Rebekah.
   
   
   
   
7. Possibly gay Bible stories #2: There's something about Joseph 37-41
   
   
   
8. After God killed Er, Judah tells Onan to "go in unto thy brother's wife." But "Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and ... when he went in unto his brother's wife ... he spilled it on the ground.... And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; wherefore he slew him also." This lovely Bible story is seldom read in Sunday School, but it is the basis of many Christian doctrines, including the condemnation of masturbation, homosexuality, and birth control. 38:8-10
   
   
   Leviticus
   
   
   
   
9. Strange fire before the Lord 10:1-2
   
   
   
10. Homosexual acts are an abomination to God. 18:22
    Explicit verse #1: It is abomination
    
    
    
11. If a man has sex with another man, kill them both. 20:13
    Explicit verse #2: Their blood shall be upon them
    
    
    Deuteronomy
    
    
    
    
12. "Every abomination ... the Lord ... hateth."
    Including homosexuality. (Leviticus 18:22) 12:31
    
    
    
13. Women are not to wear men's clothing and vice versa -- it's an "abomination unto the Lord." 22:5
    
    
    
14. God says not to bring any whore, sodomite, or dog into the house of the Lord. For "these things are an abomination to the Lord." Sodomites and dogs are biblical names for homosexuals. 23:17-18
    
    
    Judges
    
    
15. Gay Bible Stories, Part II: The Levite's Concubine 19:1-30
    Ruth
    
    
    
    
16. Ruth loved Naomi as Adam loved Eve. (Or so say the folks at WouldJesusDiscriminate.org) 1:14
    1 Samuel
    
    
    
    
17. Possibly Gay Bible Stories #3: Saul and David 16:21-22
    
    
    
18. Were David and Jonathan gay? 18:1-4, 19:2, 20:41
    Possibly Gay Bible Stories #4: David and Jonathan
    
    
    
19. The special relationship between Jonathan and David. 20:3-14
    
    
    
20. Saul is angered by his son's homosexual affair with David and says, "do not I know that thou has chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion of thy mother's nakedness?" 20:30
    
    
    
21. Saul sets an example for Christian parents that discover that they have a homosexual child: try to kill the child and his or her lover. 20:31-33
    
    
    
22. Jonathan has a secret meeting with David in the forest. David will be king, he says, and he will be right beside him. "And they two made a covenant before the LORD." 23:16-18
    2 Samuel
    
    
    
    
23. David loved Jonathan more than women. (And he loved a lot of women!) 1:26
    
    
    
24. When Joab (David's captain) kills Abner (by smiting him under the fifth rib of course), David says that he and his kingdom are not responsible. The blame, he says, lays with Joab. So David curses Joab, his family, and their descendants forever. Let them all be plagued with venereal diseases and leprosy, starve to death, commit suicide, or lean on staves. (The Revised Standard Version translates "leaneth on a staff" as "holds a spindle," apparently meaning effeminate -- real men don't spin or weave.) 3:27-29
    1 Kings
    
    
    
    
25. "There were also sodomites in the land: and they did according to all the abominations...."
    God shows his homophobia by calling gay people "sodomites" and their sexual relations "abominations." 14:24
    
    
    
26. Asa "did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD" by expelling homosexuals (or "sodomites", as the good book calls them). 15:12
    
    
    
27. Possibly Gay Bible Stories #5: Elijah stretched himself upon the child three times 17:17-22
    
    
    
28. Jehoshaphat "did that which was right in the eyes of the Lord" and "took" the homosexuals (sodomites) "out of the land," or as the RSV says, "he exterminated" them. 22:43, 46
    2 Kings
    
    
    
    
29. Possibly Gay Bible Stories #6: Elisha and the dead boy 4:11-35
    
    
    
30. Were Jehu and Jehonadab gay? 10:15-17
    
    
    
31. Josiah, with God's approval, broke down the houses of the sodomites. 23:7
    
    
    Isaiah
    
    
    
    
32. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because they didn't "do well, see judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge(?) the fatherless, and plead for the widow." (Not for homosexuality.) 1:10-17
    
    
    
33. "They declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul!"
    The biblical god just doesn't seem to care much for homosexuals. And he gets especially upset when "they hide it not." 3:9
    Jeremiah
    
    
    
    
34. "I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness; they are all of them unto me as Sodom."
    What was Sodom's sin? 23:14
    
    
    
    
    
35. If a man has a son who misbehaves by committing abomination (Lev 18:22 type or otherwise) then that son must be killed. 18:10-13
    
    
    
36. Sodom's sin wasn't homosexuality. It was pride, greed, idleness, and refusing to help the poor. (Republicans are the new Sodomites.)
    Or maybe not. Here's the next verse:
    "And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good."
    Was the "abomination" that the Sodomites committed the the one mentioned in Leviticus 18:22?16:49-50
    
    
    
37. "Ye work abomination."
    According to Robert Gagnon (The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics
    
    ), "toceba [abomination] probably refers to homosexual intercourse" in this verse. 33:26
    Daniel
    
    
    
    
38. "Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all."
    Some Christians think this refers to the antichrist. (He'll be an atheist homosexual.) 11:37
    
    
    
    Matthew
    
    
    
    
39. What was the relationship between the centurion and his slave? Were they a gay couple? If so, Jesus didn't seem to mind. 8:5-13
    
    
    
40. "Whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words ... It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment, than for that city."
    What was Sodom's sin? 10:14-15
    
    
    
41. "There are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb." Is Jesus talking about homosexuals here? 19:12
    
    
    Luke
    
    
    
    
42. "Whatsoever city ... receive you not ... it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city."
    What was Sodom's sin? 10:10-12
    
    
    
43. Increase your chance of being raptured: Pray to be gay! 17:34-35
    John
    
    
    
    
44. Was Jesus gay?
    "There was leaning on Jesus' bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved." 13:23-25
    
    "The disciple standing by, whom he loved" 19:26
    
    "The disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper" 21:20
    
    Acts
    
    
    
    
45. Was the eunuch that Philip baptized gay? 8:26-38
    Romans
    
    
    
    
46. With his usual intolerance, Paul condemns homosexuals (including lesbians). This is the only clear reference to lesbians in the Bible. 1:26-28
    
    
    
47. Homosexuals (vv. 27-28) and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death" - along with gossips, boasters, and disobedient children.
    Some fundamentalists say that those "without natural affection" refers to homosexuals. (It doesn't. The greek word "astorgos" ("without natural affection" in the KJV) means "without family love" and has nothing to do with homosexuality or homosexuals. 1:31-32
    Explicit Verse #3: Worthy of death
    1 Corinthians
    
    
48. Paul lists ten things that will keep you out of heaven, including homosexuality and being "effeminate." 6:9-10
    Explicit verse #4: Abusers of themselves with mankind
    
    
    1 Timothy
    
    
    
    
49. Homosexuals (those "that defile themselves with mankind") are included on the list of lawless, disobedient, unholy, and profane people. 1:10
    Explicit verse #5: For whom the law was made
    2 Timothy
    
    
    
    
50. In the last days people will become evil, "without natural affection." Some fundamentalists say that this refers to homosexuals. (It doesn't. The greek word "astorgos" ("without natural affection" in the KJV) means "without family love" and has nothing to do with homosexuality or homosexuals. 3:3
    
    
    
    2 Peter
    
    
    
    
51. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for living ungodly, filthy conversation, and unlawful deeds. 2:6-9
    
    
    Jude
    
    
    
    
52. God sent "eternal fire" on the people of Sodom and Gomorrah for "going after strange flesh." 7-8
    A note about the "strang flesh" of Jude 7
    Revelation
    
    
    
    
53. Are the 144,000 men that are "not defiled by women" homosexuals? Are only gay men to be saved? 14:1-4
    
    
    
54. "The abominable"
    John isn’t talking about the snowman here. According to Robert Gagnon (The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics
    
    ), it’s homosexuals. “The reference to ‘the abominable’ (ebdelygmenois) matches up with ‘dogs’ in [Rev] 22:15.”
    
    
    
55. "Dogs [homosexuals?], sorcerers, whoremongers, idolaters" and along with anyone who ever told a lie will not enter the heavenly city.
    "[T]he term 'dogs' in Rev 22:15 primarily has in view emasculated male cult prostitutes, without excluding a wider reference to any who engage in homosexual practice." Robert Gagnon (The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics
    
    ) 22:15

What Does the Bible Say About Homosexuality?

 

[Joy4Uall]

I'd love to understand why you harbor so much hatred towards LGBT (look, you can believe what you want, it's a free country, I still care about you.) Keep in mind that just because all 3 of the main Abrahamic faiths teach hatred towards those that are different (gays, non-believers) doesn't mean that you can't embrace the good parts of those religions, and jettison the bad parts - that's part of what Scientific Humanists do. Buy into the love of those religions, but don't bring forward the hatred.
Can you tell us?

Let's review:
1. You wouldn't respond to how the universe was created
2. You didn't provide any quotes of Jesus demanding the killing you've suggested
3. You exude bias in every post
4.You lie...."you harbor so much hatred towards LGBT"
5. In all, you're a great spokesperson for whatever cult you're pushing
If you were an undertaker, people would stop dying.

I believe in you - some day you'll find it in your heart to answer "yes" to that gay-loving question. I know it.

If I was wrong and "you [DON'T] harbor so much hatred towards LGBT" then I'm pretty sure that you could answer "yes" to the question, no? That seems reasonable, but if I'm wrong then please tell me where.
Thanks.

Did you find that quote for me yet...where Jesus demands the killing of gays?

Not yet?

Keep looking.

(It's the old 'how to keep an idiot busy' from junior high)

We don't know 100% what "heaven/hell" (if any) is actually like regarding gays - because god/Jesus are not very good communicators - no one does....but can we at least agree that if, repeat if, hypothetically speaking, for argument's sake here, that if god/Jesus send gays to hell even if they are moral people that you, like Scientific Humanists, would condemn god/Jesus in no uncertain terms? Can we agree on that hypothetical?

You don't have to agree with us - but if you don't, then please realize that if you love people as much as we do that you'll eventually agree with us someday on that.
Thanks.

Oh...wait....new argument, now that your old was was shredded....now you claim Jesus said he'd send gays to Hell?

If it's not asking too much.....could I see the quote?

I think it's obvious that your own opinion is that you hate gays - I'm pretty sure of that. But there is a better, more loving attitude to have, mi agigo.

 

[Joy4Uall]

I believe in you - some day you'll find it in your heart to answer "yes" to that gay-loving question. I know it.

If I was wrong and "you [DON'T] harbor so much hatred towards LGBT" then I'm pretty sure that you could answer "yes" to the question, no? That seems reasonable, but if I'm wrong then please tell me where.
Thanks.

Did you find that quote for me yet...where Jesus demands the killing of gays?

Not yet?

Keep looking.

(It's the old 'how to keep an idiot busy' from junior high)

If he was as loving as Scientific Humanists he would have, in 2000 years, condemned the writings in the main book about HIM (the Bible) that say to KILL gays, of course. Expect more from a person who claims to be all-knowing. He'd have spoken up for gay rights - he claimed to be a moral teacher. Expect more from a person who claims to be all-knowing. He's also have clarified, or changed, the policy in Romans that says gays can't get into heaven. Expect more from a person who claims to be all-knowing.

See, if I can't find a quote of Hitler's were he specifically says "gas all the Jews!", it doesn't absolve Hitler, of course.

You agree with the policy of keeping gays out of heaven, and sending them to hell, or do you feel that the Bible got that dead wrong, like Scientific Humanists do? I think you fully agree with the policy, but are trying to get out on a technicality (such as "Hitler did not say to gas all the Jews!!!!")...see what I mean?

But I value our chats, and I'm learning things.

Take care.

Wait.....are you now admitting that Jesus never .....NEVER....said to kill gays????

But...but.......that was your whole argument!!!

......!

No, that's not true.

He DID say kill gays????

You're back to that????

He will see that they burn, just for being gay.

 

[Joy4Uall]

I believe in you, I believe that you can love as much as we do and answer "yes" to that question: "if they were in Jesus' shoes would have spoken up w/in the last 2000 years and said that the bible was wrong to say to kill gays, and that they don't get to heaven (god/Jesus control access to heaven), and that you (Jesus) was wrong to not have spoken up for gay rights?"

I can't imagine a loving, caring, all-knowing god (if any) would punish you for answering "yes" to this question. In fact, it might be risky to NOT be able to find the love to answer "yes" to this question. If there is such an after-life judge, would he not be loving, and punish you for not being loving as well?

Have a great week.

Seems you have yet to come to terms with your own doubts.

It's a start.

I'd love to understand why you harbor so much hatred towards LGBT (look, you can believe what you want, it's a free country, I still care about you.) Keep in mind that just because all 3 of the main Abrahamic faiths teach hatred towards those that are different (gays, non-believers) doesn't mean that you can't embrace the good parts of those religions, and jettison the bad parts - that's part of what Scientific Humanists do. Buy into the love of those religions, but don't bring forward the hatred.
Can you tell us?

Let's review:
1. You wouldn't respond to how the universe was created
........

I'm hopeful that w/in the next 500 years or so that science will show us to a much higher level of certainty than what we know today. Patience, mi amigo, patience. We don't have to resort to fairy-tale-sounding ancient stories if we don't have all the answers right today.

"I'm hopeful that w/in the next 500 years or so that science will show us to a much higher level of certainty than what we know today."

Is that the same 'science' that says the universe came from 'nothing'?

I just need to know.


"We don't have to resort to fairy-tale-sounding ancient stories...'
But atheistic 'scientists' do so all the time....and they admit it, knowing that dunces like you will go 'duh...yup...yup.'

Need proof?
Sure:
Professor Richard Lewontin, a geneticist (and self-proclaimed Marxist), is certainly one of the world’s leaders in evolutionary biology.
He wrote this very revealing comment:
“‘We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.” Lewontin explains why one must accept absurdities: “…we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.”

Some science, huh?

Science grows, changes, and improves, unlike religions. And when it's wrong it will usually admit that, unlike religions.

 

[Joy4Uall]

I believe in you - some day you'll find it in your heart to answer "yes" to that gay-loving question. I know it.

If I was wrong and "you [DON'T] harbor so much hatred towards LGBT" then I'm pretty sure that you could answer "yes" to the question, no? That seems reasonable, but if I'm wrong then please tell me where.
Thanks.

Did you find that quote for me yet...where Jesus demands the killing of gays?

Not yet?

Keep looking.

(It's the old 'how to keep an idiot busy' from junior high)

If he was as loving as Scientific Humanists he would have, in 2000 years, condemned the writings in the main book about HIM (the Bible) that say to KILL gays, of course. Expect more from a person who claims to be all-knowing. He'd have spoken up for gay rights - he claimed to be a moral teacher. Expect more from a person who claims to be all-knowing. He's also have clarified, or changed, the policy in Romans that says gays can't get into heaven. Expect more from a person who claims to be all-knowing.

See, if I can't find a quote of Hitler's were he specifically says "gas all the Jews!", it doesn't absolve Hitler, of course.

You agree with the policy of keeping gays out of heaven, and sending them to hell, or do you feel that the Bible got that dead wrong, like Scientific Humanists do? I think you fully agree with the policy, but are trying to get out on a technicality (such as "Hitler did not say to gas all the Jews!!!!")...see what I mean?

But I value our chats, and I'm learning things.

Take care.

Wait.....are you now admitting that Jesus never .....NEVER....said to kill gays????

But...but.......that was your whole argument!!!

......!

No, that's not true.

He DID say kill gays????

You're back to that????

Big picture - Scientific Humanism chooses the side of love, and unfortunately you appear to be choosing the side of hatred (like the divine Jesus.) I'd love to expand your heart so that you can join us in love, and not hatred. Keep in mind that LGBT do not particularly harm you, so LGBT is a victimless "crime". I believe you'll choose love over hatred at sometime in your life.

Have a great night.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Did you find that quote for me yet...where Jesus demands the killing of gays?

Not yet?

Keep looking.

(It's the old 'how to keep an idiot busy' from junior high)

If he was as loving as Scientific Humanists he would have, in 2000 years, condemned the writings in the main book about HIM (the Bible) that say to KILL gays, of course. Expect more from a person who claims to be all-knowing. He'd have spoken up for gay rights - he claimed to be a moral teacher. Expect more from a person who claims to be all-knowing. He's also have clarified, or changed, the policy in Romans that says gays can't get into heaven. Expect more from a person who claims to be all-knowing.

See, if I can't find a quote of Hitler's were he specifically says "gas all the Jews!", it doesn't absolve Hitler, of course.

You agree with the policy of keeping gays out of heaven, and sending them to hell, or do you feel that the Bible got that dead wrong, like Scientific Humanists do? I think you fully agree with the policy, but are trying to get out on a technicality (such as "Hitler did not say to gas all the Jews!!!!")...see what I mean?

But I value our chats, and I'm learning things.

Take care.

Wait.....are you now admitting that Jesus never .....NEVER....said to kill gays????

But...but.......that was your whole argument!!!

......!

No, that's not true.

He DID say kill gays????

You're back to that????

Big picture - Scientific Humanism chooses the side of love, and unfortunately you appear to be choosing the side of hatred (like the divine Jesus.) I'd love to expand your heart so that you can join us in love, and not hatred. Keep in mind that LGBT do not particularly harm you, so LGBT is a victimless "crime". I believe you'll choose love over hatred at sometime in your life.

Have a great night.

Sooooo.....who are the religious leaders demanding death for gays?

Do you have a list....or is this a windmill-jousting cult you're fronting for?

 

[Joy4Uall]

If he was as loving as Scientific Humanists he would have, in 2000 years, condemned the writings in the main book about HIM (the Bible) that say to KILL gays, of course. Expect more from a person who claims to be all-knowing. He'd have spoken up for gay rights - he claimed to be a moral teacher. Expect more from a person who claims to be all-knowing. He's also have clarified, or changed, the policy in Romans that says gays can't get into heaven. Expect more from a person who claims to be all-knowing.

See, if I can't find a quote of Hitler's were he specifically says "gas all the Jews!", it doesn't absolve Hitler, of course.

You agree with the policy of keeping gays out of heaven, and sending them to hell, or do you feel that the Bible got that dead wrong, like Scientific Humanists do? I think you fully agree with the policy, but are trying to get out on a technicality (such as "Hitler did not say to gas all the Jews!!!!")...see what I mean?

But I value our chats, and I'm learning things.

Take care.

Wait.....are you now admitting that Jesus never .....NEVER....said to kill gays????

But...but.......that was your whole argument!!!

......!

No, that's not true.

He DID say kill gays????

You're back to that????

Big picture - Scientific Humanism chooses the side of love, and unfortunately you appear to be choosing the side of hatred (like the divine Jesus.) I'd love to expand your heart so that you can join us in love, and not hatred. Keep in mind that LGBT do not particularly harm you, so LGBT is a victimless "crime". I believe you'll choose love over hatred at sometime in your life.

Have a great night.

Sooooo.....who are the religious leaders demanding death for gays?

Do you have a list....or is this a windmill-jousting cult you're fronting for?

Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Act, 2014 - Wikipedia

But the damage is already done - Christianity is seen as a hate group by many many people.

 

[Joy4Uall]

If he was as loving as Scientific Humanists he would have, in 2000 years, condemned the writings in the main book about HIM (the Bible) that say to KILL gays, of course. Expect more from a person who claims to be all-knowing. He'd have spoken up for gay rights - he claimed to be a moral teacher. Expect more from a person who claims to be all-knowing. He's also have clarified, or changed, the policy in Romans that says gays can't get into heaven. Expect more from a person who claims to be all-knowing.

See, if I can't find a quote of Hitler's were he specifically says "gas all the Jews!", it doesn't absolve Hitler, of course.

You agree with the policy of keeping gays out of heaven, and sending them to hell, or do you feel that the Bible got that dead wrong, like Scientific Humanists do? I think you fully agree with the policy, but are trying to get out on a technicality (such as "Hitler did not say to gas all the Jews!!!!")...see what I mean?

But I value our chats, and I'm learning things.

Take care.

Wait.....are you now admitting that Jesus never .....NEVER....said to kill gays????

But...but.......that was your whole argument!!!

......!

No, that's not true.

He DID say kill gays????

You're back to that????

Big picture - Scientific Humanism chooses the side of love, and unfortunately you appear to be choosing the side of hatred (like the divine Jesus.) I'd love to expand your heart so that you can join us in love, and not hatred. Keep in mind that LGBT do not particularly harm you, so LGBT is a victimless "crime". I believe you'll choose love over hatred at sometime in your life.

Have a great night.

Sooooo.....who are the religious leaders demanding death for gays?

Do you have a list....or is this a windmill-jousting cult you're fronting for?

Giving their children a book that says to hate (even kill) gays, and that gays don't get into heaven, and that gays will burn, burn, burn, and the main hero never spoke up in defense of those innocent people tells us all we need to know about the heart of a Christian.

 

[Joy4Uall]

If he was as loving as Scientific Humanists he would have, in 2000 years, condemned the writings in the main book about HIM (the Bible) that say to KILL gays, of course. Expect more from a person who claims to be all-knowing. He'd have spoken up for gay rights - he claimed to be a moral teacher. Expect more from a person who claims to be all-knowing. He's also have clarified, or changed, the policy in Romans that says gays can't get into heaven. Expect more from a person who claims to be all-knowing.

See, if I can't find a quote of Hitler's were he specifically says "gas all the Jews!", it doesn't absolve Hitler, of course.

You agree with the policy of keeping gays out of heaven, and sending them to hell, or do you feel that the Bible got that dead wrong, like Scientific Humanists do? I think you fully agree with the policy, but are trying to get out on a technicality (such as "Hitler did not say to gas all the Jews!!!!")...see what I mean?

But I value our chats, and I'm learning things.

Take care.

Wait.....are you now admitting that Jesus never .....NEVER....said to kill gays????

But...but.......that was your whole argument!!!

......!

No, that's not true.

He DID say kill gays????

You're back to that????

Big picture - Scientific Humanism chooses the side of love, and unfortunately you appear to be choosing the side of hatred (like the divine Jesus.) I'd love to expand your heart so that you can join us in love, and not hatred. Keep in mind that LGBT do not particularly harm you, so LGBT is a victimless "crime". I believe you'll choose love over hatred at sometime in your life.

Have a great night.

Sooooo.....who are the religious leaders demanding death for gays?

Do you have a list....or is this a windmill-jousting cult you're fronting for?

Can you find enough love in your heart to say this prayer with me? "god/Jesus, please let LGBT get into heaven and avoid hell - I love them that much. Thanks."

If so, then you're on your way to becoming a Scientific Humanist.

 

[Joy4Uall]

If he was as loving as Scientific Humanists he would have, in 2000 years, condemned the writings in the main book about HIM (the Bible) that say to KILL gays, of course. Expect more from a person who claims to be all-knowing. He'd have spoken up for gay rights - he claimed to be a moral teacher. Expect more from a person who claims to be all-knowing. He's also have clarified, or changed, the policy in Romans that says gays can't get into heaven. Expect more from a person who claims to be all-knowing.

See, if I can't find a quote of Hitler's were he specifically says "gas all the Jews!", it doesn't absolve Hitler, of course.

You agree with the policy of keeping gays out of heaven, and sending them to hell, or do you feel that the Bible got that dead wrong, like Scientific Humanists do? I think you fully agree with the policy, but are trying to get out on a technicality (such as "Hitler did not say to gas all the Jews!!!!")...see what I mean?

But I value our chats, and I'm learning things.

Take care.

Wait.....are you now admitting that Jesus never .....NEVER....said to kill gays????

But...but.......that was your whole argument!!!

......!

No, that's not true.

He DID say kill gays????

You're back to that????

Big picture - Scientific Humanism chooses the side of love, and unfortunately you appear to be choosing the side of hatred (like the divine Jesus.) I'd love to expand your heart so that you can join us in love, and not hatred. Keep in mind that LGBT do not particularly harm you, so LGBT is a victimless "crime". I believe you'll choose love over hatred at sometime in your life.

Have a great night.

Sooooo.....who are the religious leaders demanding death for gays?

Do you have a list....or is this a windmill-jousting cult you're fronting for?

It's bad ENOUGH that Jesus has never spoken up to defend gays in 2000 years (shows he hates them)....that right there is enough reason to leave Jesus for Scientific Humanism - a more loving belief system.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Wait.....are you now admitting that Jesus never .....NEVER....said to kill gays????

But...but.......that was your whole argument!!!

......!

No, that's not true.

He DID say kill gays????

You're back to that????

Big picture - Scientific Humanism chooses the side of love, and unfortunately you appear to be choosing the side of hatred (like the divine Jesus.) I'd love to expand your heart so that you can join us in love, and not hatred. Keep in mind that LGBT do not particularly harm you, so LGBT is a victimless "crime". I believe you'll choose love over hatred at sometime in your life.

Have a great night.

Sooooo.....who are the religious leaders demanding death for gays?

Do you have a list....or is this a windmill-jousting cult you're fronting for?

Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Act, 2014 - Wikipedia

But the damage is already done - Christianity is seen as a hate group by many many people.

Sooo....you live in Uganda?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Wait.....are you now admitting that Jesus never .....NEVER....said to kill gays????

But...but.......that was your whole argument!!!

......!

No, that's not true.

He DID say kill gays????

You're back to that????

Big picture - Scientific Humanism chooses the side of love, and unfortunately you appear to be choosing the side of hatred (like the divine Jesus.) I'd love to expand your heart so that you can join us in love, and not hatred. Keep in mind that LGBT do not particularly harm you, so LGBT is a victimless "crime". I believe you'll choose love over hatred at sometime in your life.

Have a great night.

Sooooo.....who are the religious leaders demanding death for gays?

Do you have a list....or is this a windmill-jousting cult you're fronting for?

Can you find enough love in your heart to say this prayer with me? "god/Jesus, please let LGBT get into heaven and avoid hell - I love them that much. Thanks."

If so, then you're on your way to becoming a Scientific Humanist.

Did you catch me hunting down gays?

No?

Sooo why the silly request?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let's review:
1. You wouldn't respond to how the universe was created
2. You didn't provide any quotes of Jesus demanding the killing you've suggested
3. You exude bias in every post
4.You lie...."you harbor so much hatred towards LGBT"
5. In all, you're a great spokesperson for whatever cult you're pushing
If you were an undertaker, people would stop dying.

I believe in you - some day you'll find it in your heart to answer "yes" to that gay-loving question. I know it.

If I was wrong and "you [DON'T] harbor so much hatred towards LGBT" then I'm pretty sure that you could answer "yes" to the question, no? That seems reasonable, but if I'm wrong then please tell me where.
Thanks.

Did you find that quote for me yet...where Jesus demands the killing of gays?

Not yet?

Keep looking.

(It's the old 'how to keep an idiot busy' from junior high)

We don't know 100% what "heaven/hell" (if any) is actually like regarding gays - because god/Jesus are not very good communicators - no one does....but can we at least agree that if, repeat if, hypothetically speaking, for argument's sake here, that if god/Jesus send gays to hell even if they are moral people that you, like Scientific Humanists, would condemn god/Jesus in no uncertain terms? Can we agree on that hypothetical?

You don't have to agree with us - but if you don't, then please realize that if you love people as much as we do that you'll eventually agree with us someday on that.
Thanks.

Oh...wait....new argument, now that your old was was shredded....now you claim Jesus said he'd send gays to Hell?

If it's not asking too much.....could I see the quote?

I think it's obvious that your own opinion is that you hate gays - I'm pretty sure of that. But there is a better, more loving attitude to have, mi agigo.

"I think it's obvious that your own opinion is that you hate gays..."

"Think" is a mighty strong way of putting what you do, isn't it?
After all, didn't we agree that you're an idiot???

 

[Joy4Uall]

No, that's not true.

He DID say kill gays????

You're back to that????

Big picture - Scientific Humanism chooses the side of love, and unfortunately you appear to be choosing the side of hatred (like the divine Jesus.) I'd love to expand your heart so that you can join us in love, and not hatred. Keep in mind that LGBT do not particularly harm you, so LGBT is a victimless "crime". I believe you'll choose love over hatred at sometime in your life.

Have a great night.

Sooooo.....who are the religious leaders demanding death for gays?

Do you have a list....or is this a windmill-jousting cult you're fronting for?

Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Act, 2014 - Wikipedia

But the damage is already done - Christianity is seen as a hate group by many many people.

Sooo....you live in Uganda?

No, but as a Scientific Humanist I "love everybody equally", so I will condemn injustice, based on ancient fairy tales, whenever I see it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Seems you have yet to come to terms with your own doubts.

It's a start.

I'd love to understand why you harbor so much hatred towards LGBT (look, you can believe what you want, it's a free country, I still care about you.) Keep in mind that just because all 3 of the main Abrahamic faiths teach hatred towards those that are different (gays, non-believers) doesn't mean that you can't embrace the good parts of those religions, and jettison the bad parts - that's part of what Scientific Humanists do. Buy into the love of those religions, but don't bring forward the hatred.
Can you tell us?

Let's review:
1. You wouldn't respond to how the universe was created
........

I'm hopeful that w/in the next 500 years or so that science will show us to a much higher level of certainty than what we know today. Patience, mi amigo, patience. We don't have to resort to fairy-tale-sounding ancient stories if we don't have all the answers right today.

"I'm hopeful that w/in the next 500 years or so that science will show us to a much higher level of certainty than what we know today."

Is that the same 'science' that says the universe came from 'nothing'?

I just need to know.


"We don't have to resort to fairy-tale-sounding ancient stories...'
But atheistic 'scientists' do so all the time....and they admit it, knowing that dunces like you will go 'duh...yup...yup.'

Need proof?
Sure:
Professor Richard Lewontin, a geneticist (and self-proclaimed Marxist), is certainly one of the world’s leaders in evolutionary biology.
He wrote this very revealing comment:
“‘We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.” Lewontin explains why one must accept absurdities: “…we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.”

Some science, huh?

Science grows, changes, and improves, unlike religions. And when it's wrong it will usually admit that, unlike religions.

You're missing an important truth....seems you specialize in that.....but sometimes what you call 'science' grows in the wrong direction....as I showed you earlier.

I've noticed that you ignore truths you don't support your nonsense.

You should try not to do that.

 

[Joy4Uall]

I believe in you - some day you'll find it in your heart to answer "yes" to that gay-loving question. I know it.

If I was wrong and "you [DON'T] harbor so much hatred towards LGBT" then I'm pretty sure that you could answer "yes" to the question, no? That seems reasonable, but if I'm wrong then please tell me where.
Thanks.

Did you find that quote for me yet...where Jesus demands the killing of gays?

Not yet?

Keep looking.

(It's the old 'how to keep an idiot busy' from junior high)

We don't know 100% what "heaven/hell" (if any) is actually like regarding gays - because god/Jesus are not very good communicators - no one does....but can we at least agree that if, repeat if, hypothetically speaking, for argument's sake here, that if god/Jesus send gays to hell even if they are moral people that you, like Scientific Humanists, would condemn god/Jesus in no uncertain terms? Can we agree on that hypothetical?

You don't have to agree with us - but if you don't, then please realize that if you love people as much as we do that you'll eventually agree with us someday on that.
Thanks.

Oh...wait....new argument, now that your old was was shredded....now you claim Jesus said he'd send gays to Hell?

If it's not asking too much.....could I see the quote?

I think it's obvious that your own opinion is that you hate gays - I'm pretty sure of that. But there is a better, more loving attitude to have, mi agigo.

"I think it's obvious that your own opinion is that you hate gays..."

"Think" is a mighty strong way of putting what you do, isn't it?
After all, didn't we agree that you're an idiot???

You didn't say "no, I love gays" in reply, so I'm pretty sure, after reading your constant and relentless defense of the anti-gay wording in the Bible (unless I missed a post where you found your compassion and condemned the Bible), that you do hate gays. Do you love gays, PChic? Please tell us.

 

[Joy4Uall]

No, that's not true.

He DID say kill gays????

You're back to that????

Big picture - Scientific Humanism chooses the side of love, and unfortunately you appear to be choosing the side of hatred (like the divine Jesus.) I'd love to expand your heart so that you can join us in love, and not hatred. Keep in mind that LGBT do not particularly harm you, so LGBT is a victimless "crime". I believe you'll choose love over hatred at sometime in your life.

Have a great night.

Sooooo.....who are the religious leaders demanding death for gays?

Do you have a list....or is this a windmill-jousting cult you're fronting for?

Can you find enough love in your heart to say this prayer with me? "god/Jesus, please let LGBT get into heaven and avoid hell - I love them that much. Thanks."

If so, then you're on your way to becoming a Scientific Humanist.

Did you catch me hunting down gays?

No?

Sooo why the silly request?

You hate gays, period.

(Look, you are entitled to your belief as much as me or anyone, I believe - I'm glad you have a right to express it, and to disagree with me and anyone else....in Cuba they don't have that right.)