Remember when Trump was attacking NATO? Thank your lucky stars he was fired.

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Biden has never committed violence or even jaywalking in Ukraine. Vladimir Putin is committing violence as we write this. Vladimir Putin will never be able to justify what he has done by blaming it on Joe Biden. There is another one of your lost causes in the Putin disinformation robot farms. Robots do not have a conscience but you’re supposed to have one.

Which army crossed a southern border on February 24, 2022 in Europe? Was it the Russian army? Or was it the NATO alliance?

So NATO MADE Russia invade Ukraine?

 

[georgephillip]

Biden has never committed violence or even jaywalking in Ukraine.

Biden helped INSTIGATE the violence we are seeing in Ukraine today. For the last thirty years, (and Biden was working in DC for at least 26 of those years) NATO has been expanding towards Russian borders in spite of all the warnings various Russian leaders have issued. Biden has always been a war whore, and the current blood in Ukraine is all over his hands.

 

[j-mac]

Simplistic fallacy.
Putin is wrong and NATO is wrong.
Getting rich from war and debt is suicidal.

The Big Question on Wall Street Is Which Banks Owe $41 Billion on Credit Default Swaps on Russia

"There is a known $41 billion in Credit Default Swaps (CDS) on Russian debt.

"There is likely many billions more in unknown amounts.

"There are also billions more in Credit Default Swaps on state-owned Russian corporate debt and non state-owned Russian corporate debt.

"In addition to Wall Street not knowing which global banks and other financial institutions are on the hook to pay out on the Credit Default Swap protection they sold in case of a Russian sovereign debt default (or Russian corporate debt default), there is also approximately $100 billion of Russian sovereign debt (whose default is looking more and more likely) sitting on the balance sheets of foreign banks.

"Put it all together and you have the makings of a replay of the 2008 banking crisis when banks backed away from lending to each other because they didn’t know who would fall next from toxic subprime exposure.

"That led to a liquidity crisis and the unprecedented involvement of the Federal Reserve secretly pumping trillions of dollars into the megabanks on Wall Street and their foreign derivative counterparties."

And you’re in here furthering his propaganda…shame.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

So NATO MADE Russia invade Ukraine?

Putin made his army cross the border into Ukraine on Feb24. PUTIN is absolutely responsible for his war crimes. My point was that NATO did not cross any border from anywhere into Russia on FEB 24?

 

[georgephillip]

And you’re in here furthering his propaganda…shame.

You are furthering US imperialism and the deaths, maimings, and displacement of millions of Ukrainians.

Does the name Victoria Nuland ring a bell?

USA admits there are Biolabs in Ukraine, says any biological attack will be 'Russia's fault'

"On Tuesday, the US government’s Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland testified before a Senate Foreign Relation Committee hearing on Ukraine in Washington, DC, and said that the United States was working with Ukraine to prevent invading Russian forces from seizing biological research material.

"The State Department also stated that it was concerned that Russian forces are trying to gain control of biological research facilities within Ukraine.

"The committee was set to examine Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and the worldwide response."

 

[j-mac]

You are furthering US imperialism and the deaths, maimings, and displacement of millions of Ukrainians.

Does the name Victoria Nuland ring a bell?

USA admits there are Biolabs in Ukraine, says any biological attack will be 'Russia's fault'

"On Tuesday, the US government’s Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland testified before a Senate Foreign Relation Committee hearing on Ukraine in Washington, DC, and said that the United States was working with Ukraine to prevent invading Russian forces from seizing biological research material.

"The State Department also stated that it was concerned that Russian forces are trying to gain control of biological research facilities within Ukraine.

"The committee was set to examine Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and the worldwide response."

Ha! “US Imperialism? Hey commie, you schtik is laughable….Ask Fauchi about his projects, I’m sure he’ll tell, after all he is a hero if yours.

 

[PinktheFloyd88]

What a clusterfuck our response to this invasion would be if Putin's BFF was still in Washington. The world breathes a sigh of relief, along with educated and sensible Americans.



BRUSSELS — The Dutch are sending rocket launchers for air defense. The Estonians are sending Javelin antitank missiles. The Poles and the Latvians are sending Stinger surface-to-air missiles. The Czechs are sending machine guns, sniper rifles, pistols and ammunition.

Even formerly neutral countries like Sweden and Finland are sending weapons. And Germany, long allergic to sending weapons into conflict zones, is sending Stingers as well as other shoulder-launched rockets.

In all, about 20 countries — most members of NATO and the European Union, but not all — are funneling arms into Ukraine to fight off Russian invaders and arm an insurgency, if the war comes to that.

At the same time, NATO is moving military equipment and as many as 22,000 more troops into member states bordering Russia and Belarus, to reassure them and enhance deterrence.


The Russian invasion of Ukraine has brought European countries together as never before, minds concentrated by the larger threat to European security presented by the Russia of President Vladimir V. Putin.

“European security and defense has evolved more in the last six days than in the last two decades,” Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Union’s executive arm, asserted in a speech to the European Parliament on Tuesday. Brussels has moved to “Europeanize” the efforts of member states to aid Ukraine with weapons and money and put down a marker for the bloc as a significant military actor.


But whether European weaponry will continue to reach the Ukrainian battlefield in time to make a difference is far from certain. However proud Brussels is of its effort, it is a strategy that risks encouraging a wider war and possible retaliation from Mr. Putin. The rush of lethal military aid into Ukraine from Poland, a member of NATO, aims, after all, to kill Russian soldiers.

Mr. Putin already sees NATO as committed to threaten or even destroy Russia through its support for Ukraine, as he has repeated in his recent speeches, even as he has raised the nuclear alert of his own forces to warn Europe and the United States of the risks of interference.

NATO Countries Pour Weapons Into Ukraine, Risking Conflict With Russia (Published 2022)

Brussels is proud to be providing military aid, but Moscow may see it as a dangerous intervention.

www.nytimes.com

Yes I do remember. He was a joke President, glad he is gone.

 

[BlindBoo]

You know what they say about Axios...when National Enquirer can't be used.

They say....Oh, okay. I guess.

The Generals testimony backs up Swifts details on Benedict Donald's Lame Duck withdrawals.

 

[georgephillip]

Ha! “US Imperialism? Hey commie, you schtik is laughable….Ask Fauchi about his projects, I’m sure he’ll tell, after all he is a hero if yours.

No War but Class War

"The Democratic Socialists of America blamed US and NATO 'imperialist expansion' for helping trigger the Russian invasion of Ukraine — provoking criticism from local political leaders.

"'DSA reaffirms our call for the US to withdraw from NATO and to end the imperialist expansionism that set the stage for this conflict,' the DSA said in a statement.

“While the failures of neoliberal order are clear to everyone, the ruling class is trying to build a new world, through a dystopic transition grounded in militarism, imperialism, and war.

"Socialists have a duty to build an alternative.”

"The socialist group continued that 'much of the next ten years are coming into view through this attack' and closed by saying, 'no war but class war.'

"The DSA’s members who are elected leaders include Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.)."

Democratic Socialists blame US imperialism for Russian invasion of Ukraine

 

[Rigby5]

If you can't show specifically that we ratified it, obviously we didn't

Yes we did ratify the 1906 Geneva conventions.
And economic warfare has been illegal since then.

{...
Civilians caught in sanctions crossfire need Geneva Convention protection, says UN expert

GENEVA (8 November 2018) – Sanctions that extend beyond national borders, and which seek to block a country’s trade altogether, amount to economic warfare against civilians, an independent expert appointed by the Human Rights Council says.
"These civilians deserve the same protections provided by the Geneva Conventions to people in war," said Idriss Jazairy, the Special Rapporteur on the effect of sanctions on human rights.
"There is a need for differences between States to be resolved through peaceful means as advocated by the UN Charter, while avoiding exposing innocent civilians to collective punishment. Causing hunger and disease through economic instruments should not be accepted in the 21st century."
Referring to Iran, Jazairy said while US sanctions included humanitarian exemptions, there were reports that aid is on hold as banks, insurance and logistics companies await clarification. It has even been said that the source country of sanctions will block the SWIFT technical mechanism of international interbank financial transfer which may make such exemptions inoperative.
"There can be no justification for not including blanket protections for the importation of food, medicine, and other necessities of life without first requiring lengthy and complex approval processes," the expert said. The International Court of Justice had recently made two preliminary rulings that reiterate the obligation of States to ensure effective humanitarian exemptions while sanctions are in force.
"I am deeply concerned that it is the poor who are bearing the brunt of these actions," Jazairy said, adding that the rial currency had lost more than 70 percent of its value in the past year, and food prices had risen by half. "More people are losing their jobs as the economy suffers," he said.
"While the right of States to disagree with each other should be respected, harming the human rights of ordinary civilians should not be resorted to as a means of political pressure on a targeted Government," he said. "This is illegal under international human rights law."
When an economic blockade is imposed, adequate food, medicines, public health and other humanitarian needs must be ensured, he said. "The Fourth Geneva Convention provides such protections during times of war," Jazairy said. "Under economic sanctions, people also die but from lack of food and medicine, rather than from explosive devices. This form of warfare that relies on starvation and disease deserves the same concern from the international community as any other conflict."
States should adopt a declaration which ends such practices, and protects civilians during economic blockades.
...}

Civilians caught in sanctions crossfire need Geneva Convention protection, says UN expert

GENEVA (8 November 2018) – Sanctions that extend beyond national borders, and which seek to block a country’s trade altogether, amount to economic warfare against civilians, an independent expert appointed by the Human Rights Council says."These civilians deserve the same protections provided by...

www.ohchr.org

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

The Generals testimony backs up Swifts details on Benedict Donald's Lame Duck withdrawals.

 

[Who_Me?]

Former National Security Advisor John Bolton says 'Putin was waiting' for Trump to withdraw the United States from NATO in his second term​

Yeah, that Trump guy was such a consensus builder. Oh, wait he was, with Putin, Xi, and Kim Jong-Un.

 

[Rigby5]

You exaggeratedly stated "A single thermobaric missile could easily wipe out an entire base"
So a single thermobaric can totally wipe out EVERYTHING in 62,435 acres???? Destroy ALL the buildings planes, offices, etc?...
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The military bases on this list range in size — from 62,435 acres to more than 3.5 million acres.

America's Largest Military Bases

The United States is the world’s preeminent military power. Though a handful of countries have more military personnel than the United States — here is a list of the countries with the biggest armies — no country spends more on defense. U.S. military spending nearly topped $650 billion in 2018...

247wallst.com

Wrong.
To wipe out a military base, you to not have to harm its acerage, like landing strips, security border, etc.
All you have to do is destroy its buildings and people.
And thermobaric weapons do that by creating a shock wave that extends for over 1000' and a launch range of 2.5 miles.
{...
The type of thermobaric weapon that has been spotted with Russian convoys inside Ukraine is known as the TOS-1A multiple rocket launcher. It has a range of around 2.5 miles and a blast radius
...}
Both the US and Russia have thermobaric weapons with much greater radius than that, but they are secret.
Consider that the 2.5 mile range and 1000' radius is for a single thermobaric missile, and a typical Russian launcher has 20 such missiles.

 

[Rigby5]

So NATO MADE Russia invade Ukraine?

Yes.
It is the same way that Lincoln forced the South to start shelling Fort Sumpter.
Lincoln started sending additional weapons to Fort Sumpter, which violated the rights of South Carolina.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

No War but Class War

"The Democratic Socialists of America blamed US and NATO 'imperialist expansion' for helping trigger the Russian invasion of Ukraine — provoking criticism from local political leaders.

"'DSA reaffirms our call for the US to withdraw from NATO and to end the imperialist expansionism that set the stage for this conflict,' the DSA said in a statement.

“While the failures of neoliberal order are clear to everyone, the ruling class is trying to build a new world, through a dystopic transition grounded in militarism, imperialism, and war.

"Socialists have a duty to build an alternative.”

"The socialist group continued that 'much of the next ten years are coming into view through this attack' and closed by saying, 'no war but class war.'

"The DSA’s members who are elected leaders include Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.)."

Democratic Socialists blame US imperialism for Russian invasion of Ukraine

The "they made us hurt you" defense doesn't work well for third graders and even less so
for Neo-Commies in the DSA.

Who is actually defending militarism, imperialism and war but the Russians that want to rip Ukraine a new
hole yet again with the help of Bernie Sanders and AOC, the most dangerous cocktail waitress
in America.

 

[Rigby5]

The "they made us hurt you" defense doesn't work well for third graders and even less so
for Neo-Commies in the DSA.

Who is actually defending militarism, imperialism and war but the Russians that want to rip Ukraine a new
hole yet again with the help of Bernie Sanders and AOC, the most dangerous cocktail waitress
in America.

Nah, the Ukraine has always been corrupt, the one stealing oil, abusing ethnic Russians, and not trying to get NATO nukes on the border of Russia. Totally wrong and can not be allowed to continue committing crimes.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

None of your fantasies have anything to do with this thread. NATO stands strong, unlike when Trump was attacking it and praising Putin.

Oh wait, he is still praising Putin...

The chain of idiots that still mimic Hillary Clinton's fake talking points about Trump and Putin is long and it never seems to tire some of these me too jackals.

 

[healthmyths]

Wrong.
To wipe out a military base, you to not have to harm its acerage, like landing strips, security border, etc.
All you have to do is destroy its buildings and people.
And thermobaric weapons do that by creating a shock wave that extends for over 1000' and a launch range of 2.5 miles.
{...
The type of thermobaric weapon that has been spotted with Russian convoys inside Ukraine is known as the TOS-1A multiple rocket launcher. It has a range of around 2.5 miles and a blast radius
...}
Both the US and Russia have thermobaric weapons with much greater radius than that, but they are secret.
Consider that the 2.5 mile range and 1000' radius is for a single thermobaric missile, and a typical Russian launcher has 20 such missiles.

What is "acerage"? Don't you pay attention to details, i.e. the little red dotted line underneath your gross spelling errors?

YOUR opinion! Who are YOU? What makes YOU a thermobaric weapons expert? I don't believe a word you wrote as you made all of this up! You are just like Psaki... you make statements thinking people will believe
but when later validation find out you and she are full of crap! Where's your substantiation?

 

[georgephillip]

The "they made us hurt you" defense doesn't work well for third graders and even less so
for Neo-Commies in the DSA.

Anyone who's been paying attention over the past thirty years ( which obviously excludes you) has known Russia would eventually take the bait:

"The dean of America’s Russia experts, George F. Kennan, had called the expansion of NATO into Central Europe 'the most fateful error of American policy in the entire post-Cold War era.'

"Kennan, the architect of America’s post-World War II strategy of containment of the Soviet Union, believed, as did most other Russia experts in the United States, that expanding NATO would damage beyond repair U.S. efforts to transform Russia from enemy to partner."

Who gets rich from war with Russia?

The U.S. Decision to Enlarge NATO: How, When, Why, and What Next?

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Who is stupid enough to believe we could make Russia into a "partner"?


Not me.