Remember when Trump was attacking NATO? Thank your lucky stars he was fired.

[georgephillip]

Who is stupid enough to believe we could make Russia into a "partner"?


Not me.

Is that because you're another greedy capitalist who expects to profit from wars he doesn't fight in?

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Is that because you're another greedy capitalist who expects to profit from wars he doesn't fight in?

Amusing. There is a vast gulf between Russia and most of the rest of the world.
In no way whatsoever do I expect to profit from any war fought by anyone.

Karl Marx called. He wants his rhetoric back.

 

[j-mac]

No War but Class War

"The Democratic Socialists of America blamed US and NATO 'imperialist expansion' for helping trigger the Russian invasion of Ukraine — provoking criticism from local political leaders.

"'DSA reaffirms our call for the US to withdraw from NATO and to end the imperialist expansionism that set the stage for this conflict,' the DSA said in a statement.

“While the failures of neoliberal order are clear to everyone, the ruling class is trying to build a new world, through a dystopic transition grounded in militarism, imperialism, and war.

"Socialists have a duty to build an alternative.”

"The socialist group continued that 'much of the next ten years are coming into view through this attack' and closed by saying, 'no war but class war.'

"The DSA’s members who are elected leaders include Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.)."

Democratic Socialists blame US imperialism for Russian invasion of Ukraine

Like I said, you’re a filthy commie…We already knew that.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

What a horrible monster Trump is! Expecting free loading NATO nations to share in the costs of their defense.
Incredible. What gall! What effrontery!

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Anyone who's been paying attention over the past thirty years

No one needs to pay attention to what you wasted your life on. You call it Putin taking the bait. Yes he did. NATO did not put Megalomania on the hook. Now he is a war criminal with the entire free and democracy based world aligned against him. The democracies did not attack Russia. Ukraine is a democracy. If there was doubt about Ukrainec - Putin on February 24 made her the most important democracy on earth right now. Putin bit off more than he can chew. Russian mothers will figure it out when their sons come back in body bags or not at all. Putin will die a miserable death, if he does not end it the way Hitler did.

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

No one needs to pay attention to what you wasted your life on. You call it Putin taking the bait. Yes he did. NATO did not put Megalomania on the hook. Now he is a war criminal with the entire free and democracy based world aligned against him. The democracies did not attack Russia. Ukraine is a democracy. If their was doubt about Ukrainec - Putin on February 24 made her the most important democracy on earth right now. Putin bit off more than he can chew. Russian mothers will figure it out when their sons come back in body bags or not at all. Putin will die a miserable death, if he does not end it the way Hitler did.

Putin sucking on a pistol and blowing the back of his skull out would be a best case scenario IF someone in
the Russian hierarchy was willing to end Russia's time of infamy and ill deeds.

A big order considering Russia's oligarchs and all those that got rich by being scum bags.

There would be, I'm sure, lots that backed Vlad's megalomaniacal vision for Russia.
Still, I think no one outside of Russia would shed any tears.

 

[Rigby5]

Amusing. There is a vast gulf between Russia and most of the rest of the world.
In no way whatsoever do I expect to profit from any war fought by anyone.

Karl Marx called. He wants his rhetoric back.

And yet the US starts over 10 times the wars of anyone else, and they are always for profits, like controlling Iraqi oil sales.
You can not say all these wars are for defense, because we have not really ever been attacked since 1812.

 

[Rigby5]

No one needs to pay attention to what you wasted your life on. You call it Putin taking the bait. Yes he did. NATO did not put Megalomania on the hook. Now he is a war criminal with the entire free and democracy based world aligned against him. The democracies did not attack Russia. Ukraine is a democracy. If there was doubt about Ukrainec - Putin on February 24 made her the most important democracy on earth right now. Putin bit off more than he can chew. Russian mothers will figure it out when their sons come back in body bags or not at all. Putin will die a miserable death, if he does not end it the way Hitler did.

That is ridiculous. The Ukraine is no where near a democracy, that censors, imprisons, or murders far more than Russia even.
In fact, since the Donetsk and Crimea voted over 93% for leaving the Ukraine, it is only Russia that is supporting democracy in the Ukraine.

 

[Rigby5]

Putin sucking on a pistol and blowing the back of his skull out would be a best case scenario IF someone in
the Russian hierarchy was willing to end Russia's time of infamy and ill deeds.

A big order considering Russia's oligarchs and all those that got rich by being scum bags.

There would be, I'm sure, lots that backed Vlad's megalomaniacal vision for Russia.
Still, I think no one outside of Russia would shed any tears.

That is silly because the Ukraine is far more corrupt than Russia ever was.
If the Ukraine was to nice and democratic, then the Donetsk and Crimea would not have voted 93% to leave.
And it is the Ukraine that was convicted of stealing oil, not Russia.

 

[Clipper]

Biden helped INSTIGATE the violence we are seeing in Ukraine today. For the last thirty years, (and Biden was working in DC for at least 26 of those years) NATO has been expanding towards Russian borders in spite of all the warnings various Russian leaders have issued. Biden has always been a war whore, and the current blood in Ukraine is all over his hands.

You're a fucking stooge for Putin who is right now committing war crime in Ukraine by slaughtering innocent civilians including children. Putin should be hauled off to The Hauge, tried & hung for what he's doing.

Fuck you & the horse you rode in on, asshole.

 

[Clipper]

That is silly because the Ukraine is far more corrupt than Russia ever was.
If the Ukraine was to nice and democratic, then the Donetsk and Crimea would not have voted 93% to leave.
And it is the Ukraine that was convicted of stealing oil, not Russia.

Putin & his oligarchs have stolen billions of dollars from the Russian people, idiot. People are fed up with you right wing Trump asseaters parroting Putin's propoganda.

You love Russia so much, move your sorry stupid ass over there.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

The Ukraine is no where near a democracy,

Whatever you think Rigby5 . The coalition that lined up against Trump’s genius peacekeeper in Ukraine is overwhelming convinced that Zelenski is General Washington and William Wallace personified. They are enormously right about Zelenski and Putin reminded all of Europe on February 24 of Adolph Hitler’s tanks rolling into Poland. You are on the wrong side Rigby5

 

[AZrailwhale]

The reality is he publicly rebuked them, and he did not do this in an nuanced, private, and professional manner becoming a President and most powerful member of the alliance. His public statement was scorn and contempt. Putin loved it.

Sometimes you have to get people’s attention. Nuanced, private and professional approaches haven’t worked with the NATO members. Public shame worked to some extent, Putin’s naked, unprovoked aggression finished the job. NATO is heading back to Cold War strength and is probably going to add Sweden, Finland and maybe even Switzerland to its roster.

 

[Rigby5]

You're a fucking stooge for Putin who is right now committing war crime in Ukraine by slaughtering innocent civilians including children. Putin should be hauled off to The Hauge, tried & hung for what he's doing.

Fuck you & the horse you rode in on, asshole.

Nonsense.
The Ukraine has always been far more corrupt and evil than Russia.
It is nothing like a democracy, and has more censorship, imprisonment, assassination, etc., than Russia even.
They already were found guilty of stealing $20 billion worth of oil from Russian pipelines.
They were abusing ethnic Russians in the east.
They tried to get NATO nukes on the Russian border.
They are very unethical.

And Putin is totally innocent.
He was negotiating.
It was the Ukraine that cut off negotiations, effectively a declaration of war.

 

[Rigby5]

Putin & his oligarchs have stolen billions of dollars from the Russian people, idiot. People are fed up with you right wing Trump asseaters parroting Putin's propoganda.

You love Russia so much, move your sorry stupid ass over there.

Wrong.
Are you so confused that you do not even know that Russia is left wing and not right wing?
Putin and Trump are polar opposites.

 

[Rigby5]

Whatever you think Rigby5 . The coalition that lined up against Trump’s genius peacekeeper in Ukraine is overwhelming convinced that Zelenski is General Washington and William Wallace personified. They are enormously right about Zelenski and Putin reminded all of Europe on February 24 of Adolph Hitler’s tanks rolling into Poland. You are on the wrong side Rigby5

Nope, it was Ukrainians who ran the death camps for Hitler, and it was Kyiv who committed all the crimes, like stealing Russian oil, violating a neutrality treaty by trying to put NATO nukes on the Russian border, abusing ethnic Russians, and essentially declaring war by cutting off negotiations.

 

[Rigby5]

Sometimes you have to get people’s attention. Nuanced, private and professional approaches haven’t worked with the NATO members. Public shame worked to some extent, Putin’s naked, unprovoked aggression finished the job. NATO is heading back to Cold War strength and is probably going to add Sweden, Finland and maybe even Switzerland to its roster.

What "unprovoked aggression" are you talking about?
It was the Ukraine that stole oil.
It was the Ukraine that violated treaties and tried to put NATO nukes on Russian's border.
It was the Ukraine that cut off negotiations.
It was the Ukraine that abused ethnic Russians.

 

[georgephillip]

Karl Marx called. He wants his rhetoric back.

Lenin's rhetoric is probably more appropriate for today's terminal stage of capitalism:

Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism - Wikipedia

Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism (1917), by Vladimir Lenin, describes the formation of oligopoly, by the interlacing of bank and industrial capital, in order to create a financial oligarchy and explains the function of financial capital in generating profits from the exploitation colonialism inherent to imperialism, as the final stage of capitalism."

Sound familiar?

 

[georgephillip]

Like I said, you’re a filthy commie…We already knew that.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing
.
MARCH 10, 2022

When Did the Ukraine War Begin?​

"NATO, it should be understood, is an army in the service of the US empire.

"Viewing it simply as an alliance of nominally sovereign entities obscures that it is commanded as a tool of US foreign policy in its stated quest of world dominion; that is, 'full spectrum dominance.'

 

[georgephillip]

What a horrible monster Trump is! Expecting free loading NATO nations to share in the costs of their defense.
Incredible. What gall! What effrontery!

If it's true...

"NATO has dumped over a trillion dollars in arms and facilities into the border countries next to Russia and continues to this day to pour lethal weapons into Ukraine.

"The leader of Ukraine’s neo-Nazi C14 recently bragged on YouTube (while other voices are censored): 'We are being given so much weaponry not because as some say ‘the west is helping us,’ not because it is best for us. But because we perform the tasks set by the west…because we have fun, we have fun killing.'"

...is NATO taking over where Hitler left off?

MARCH 10, 2022

When Did the Ukraine War Begin?​

BY ROGER HARRIS