Republican bill stops funding to states issuing DL's to illegals

Unless you’re here legally such as a travel visa, work visa, green card, etc. you do not have the right to get a drivers license. Period. End of story.

I am not sure I see how rights have anything to do with it, because the POINT is the can and will drive anyway, so issuing them a driver's license just allows us to ensure they are better and safer drivers.
If they have a driver's license, they have had some drivers education and they can buy auto insurance which benefits everyone. The GOP's attempt to keep driver's licenses out of the hands of illegal immigrants is just plain stupid.

Each State is different. Here, there is no law that says you have one second of Drivers Education. If you are over a certain age, you only have to pass a written test and a road test and Presto, Chango. Plus, you have to have Insurance to bind your license to. What idiot Insurance Company would give insurance to an illegal before they passed their DL test? In order to get that insurance, the Insured would have to lie out his ass to get it. That means, when or if he does have an accident involving you, his insurance won't pay off a dime since it was obtain fraudulently. That means, even offering the DL to an Illegal doesn't protect you any better than if they were driving with no DL or insurance.
All auto insurance that I am familiar with requires a valid US drivers license. And they do check it. A few years ago I applied for auto insurance and made a mistake on my driver's license number. They came back immediately and denied coverage. I called the company and gave them my correct drivers licence number and the problem was solved.

If allowing undocumented immigrants to have drivers licenses and it increases the number of trained and insured drivers, I'm all far. I'm OK with the goverment enforcing immigration laws but I don't see how denying drivers license will help.
If the main reason this drivers license thing is all of a sudden an issue, and it's all because the Democrats are looking for ways to increase the vote, otherwise if somehow they can work it around into that, then it will be a bad thing. If is truly to help folks in some sort of way, then that's different. The problem is that if these people are being used for political reasons, then I think the answer should be NO for that reason.
Generally speaking, residents of foreign countries have little interest politics of that county. Of all the illegal things undocumented immigrants might do, voting is probably one of the least rewarding.
 
However the signs tell you what a driver should be aware of, and they are all written in English.
Exactly

That is why them getting a license makes us safer
You are NOT this stupid. Just isn't possible.

It's how they go about getting something they want. They want to reward illegals by giving them drivers license, using the excuse of safety. Forget the link I posted that stated ICE deported over 80,000 illegals in one year alone all with DUI offenses. Give those people licenses now.
I can't help it though, because I do like Mexican's. Maybe I haven't met the bad ones, but the one's I've met are humble hardworking always smiling people. We definitely need those types to be with us in America, but there is a way to do it and do it right. Legal immigration is the only way, and not upsetting the balance in our many cultures by allowing a flood of immigrants to over run our border in which is un-exceptable. We must get organized and legal in our processes, while ensuring that our own cultures thrive and prosper just as we always have. Treating people as one expects to be treated is also very important. Creating more butthurt people in America has got to end. Time to throw away the bickering partisan bullcrap for scoring political points, and get an immigration system that works.

All the while we must protect the personality, character, and the cultures that exist in America. We must hold on to who we are, and remain as great examples of who we are in the world and to the world.

Assimilation is key, and that goes for all, and especially to those who refuse to do so, and all because of hang ups that are being milked to death for political and/or personal angst through out time.

I'll have to disagree with you on this one. The US allows nearly a million people a year to join our country and become citizens. Plus we hand out 50,000 Visa's and green cards a year. No other country does more for other people outside their borders than the US. I think that's more than enough.
Agree, but as you could see, I said only if it is done right. That includes everything in doing it right.
 
I am not sure I see how rights have anything to do with it, because the POINT is the can and will drive anyway, so issuing them a driver's license just allows us to ensure they are better and safer drivers.
If they have a driver's license, they have had some drivers education and they can buy auto insurance which benefits everyone. The GOP's attempt to keep driver's licenses out of the hands of illegal immigrants is just plain stupid.

Each State is different. Here, there is no law that says you have one second of Drivers Education. If you are over a certain age, you only have to pass a written test and a road test and Presto, Chango. Plus, you have to have Insurance to bind your license to. What idiot Insurance Company would give insurance to an illegal before they passed their DL test? In order to get that insurance, the Insured would have to lie out his ass to get it. That means, when or if he does have an accident involving you, his insurance won't pay off a dime since it was obtain fraudulently. That means, even offering the DL to an Illegal doesn't protect you any better than if they were driving with no DL or insurance.
All auto insurance that I am familiar with requires a valid US drivers license. And they do check it. A few years ago I applied for auto insurance and made a mistake on my driver's license number. They came back immediately and denied coverage. I called the company and gave them my correct drivers licence number and the problem was solved.

If allowing undocumented immigrants to have drivers licenses and it increases the number of trained and insured drivers, I'm all far. I'm OK with the goverment enforcing immigration laws but I don't see how denying drivers license will help.
If the main reason this drivers license thing is all of a sudden an issue, and it's all because the Democrats are looking for ways to increase the vote, otherwise if somehow they can work it around into that, then it will be a bad thing. If is truly to help folks in some sort of way, then that's different. The problem is that if these people are being used for political reasons, then I think the answer should be NO for that reason.
Generally speaking, residents of foreign countries have little interest politics of that county. Of all the illegal things undocumented immigrants might do, voting is probably one of the least rewarding.
Not worried about what they do or like, but it's the Democrats that can't be trusted.
 
Exactly

That is why them getting a license makes us safer
You are NOT this stupid. Just isn't possible.

It's how they go about getting something they want. They want to reward illegals by giving them drivers license, using the excuse of safety. Forget the link I posted that stated ICE deported over 80,000 illegals in one year alone all with DUI offenses. Give those people licenses now.
I can't help it though, because I do like Mexican's. Maybe I haven't met the bad ones, but the one's I've met are humble hardworking always smiling people. We definitely need those types to be with us in America, but there is a way to do it and do it right. Legal immigration is the only way, and not upsetting the balance in our many cultures by allowing a flood of immigrants to over run our border in which is un-exceptable. We must get organized and legal in our processes, while ensuring that our own cultures thrive and prosper just as we always have. Treating people as one expects to be treated is also very important. Creating more butthurt people in America has got to end. Time to throw away the bickering partisan bullcrap for scoring political points, and get an immigration system that works.

All the while we must protect the personality, character, and the cultures that exist in America. We must hold on to who we are, and remain as great examples of who we are in the world and to the world.

Assimilation is key, and that goes for all, and especially to those who refuse to do so, and all because of hang ups that are being milked to death for political and/or personal angst through out time.

I'll have to disagree with you on this one. The US allows nearly a million people a year to join our country and become citizens. Plus we hand out 50,000 Visa's and green cards a year. No other country does more for other people outside their borders than the US. I think that's more than enough.
Agree, but as you could see, I said only if it is done right. That includes everything in doing it right.

There is no immigration problem on an administrative level. The only immigration problem we have are those who get into this country illegally, and then allow the Democrats to pander to them. Then they tell us these people are not illegally voting. HELLO! Politicians don't cater to people that don't vote for them, they cater to people that do. Of course they know the illegals are voting Democrat.
 
You are NOT this stupid. Just isn't possible.

It's how they go about getting something they want. They want to reward illegals by giving them drivers license, using the excuse of safety. Forget the link I posted that stated ICE deported over 80,000 illegals in one year alone all with DUI offenses. Give those people licenses now.
I can't help it though, because I do like Mexican's. Maybe I haven't met the bad ones, but the one's I've met are humble hardworking always smiling people. We definitely need those types to be with us in America, but there is a way to do it and do it right. Legal immigration is the only way, and not upsetting the balance in our many cultures by allowing a flood of immigrants to over run our border in which is un-exceptable. We must get organized and legal in our processes, while ensuring that our own cultures thrive and prosper just as we always have. Treating people as one expects to be treated is also very important. Creating more butthurt people in America has got to end. Time to throw away the bickering partisan bullcrap for scoring political points, and get an immigration system that works.

All the while we must protect the personality, character, and the cultures that exist in America. We must hold on to who we are, and remain as great examples of who we are in the world and to the world.

Assimilation is key, and that goes for all, and especially to those who refuse to do so, and all because of hang ups that are being milked to death for political and/or personal angst through out time.

I'll have to disagree with you on this one. The US allows nearly a million people a year to join our country and become citizens. Plus we hand out 50,000 Visa's and green cards a year. No other country does more for other people outside their borders than the US. I think that's more than enough.
Agree, but as you could see, I said only if it is done right. That includes everything in doing it right.

There is no immigration problem on an administrative level. The only immigration problem we have are those who get into this country illegally, and then allow the Democrats to pander to them. Then they tell us these people are not illegally voting. HELLO! Politicians don't cater to people that don't vote for them, they cater to people that do. Of course they know the illegals are voting Democrat.
Well the illegals show up everywhere on these job sites, and I don't think that only Democrats own or control all the job sites in this country. There is dirt on alot of people's hands.
 
What does legal status have to do with driver's licenses that are supposed to be about safety?
What about a tourist who does not want citizenship, but just wants to be able to rent a car here and drive, for the years they are visiting?
Are you going to deny them a US driver's license while a legal resident because they are undocumented as far as citizenship?
Unless you’re here legally such as a travel visa, work visa, green card, etc. you do not have the right to get a drivers license. Period. End of story.

I am not sure I see how rights have anything to do with it, because the POINT is the can and will drive anyway, so issuing them a driver's license just allows us to ensure they are better and safer drivers.
If they have a driver's license, they have had some drivers education and they can buy auto insurance which benefits everyone. The GOP's attempt to keep driver's licenses out of the hands of illegal immigrants is just plain stupid.

Each State is different. Here, there is no law that says you have one second of Drivers Education. If you are over a certain age, you only have to pass a written test and a road test and Presto, Chango. Plus, you have to have Insurance to bind your license to. What idiot Insurance Company would give insurance to an illegal before they passed their DL test? In order to get that insurance, the Insured would have to lie out his ass to get it. That means, when or if he does have an accident involving you, his insurance won't pay off a dime since it was obtain fraudulently. That means, even offering the DL to an Illegal doesn't protect you any better than if they were driving with no DL or insurance.
All auto insurance that I am familiar with requires a valid US drivers license. And they do check it. A few years ago I applied for auto insurance and made a mistake on my driver's license number. They came back immediately and denied coverage. I called the company and gave them my correct drivers licence number and the problem was solved.

If allowing undocumented immigrants to have drivers licenses and it increases the number of trained and insured drivers, I'm all far. I'm OK with the goverment enforcing immigration laws but I don't see how denying drivers license will help.

Play Devil's Advocate. How do you think it would help potentially?
 
If they're illegal, their license is not legally honored in this country. That may be true for a documented person.

Tell me, what other country in the world can you break into, and the government issue you a drivers license?
Canada and Mexico for starters. Most countries do not require a Visa or proof of citizenship to get a license. Generally if you have a license in another country, you will be allowed to apply for a license.

Since your immigration status is not considered a factor in safely operating a vehicle, a visa is not generally required, however adequate documentation is and that varies with every country and often the province or state.

I couldn't find any law about illegals driving in Canada. Google can't seem to find anything on it. Maybe they don't have any illegals. I couldn't find anything about Mexico either. But here is what I did find that has me skeptical whether they are allowed to drive or not:

‐ Illegal entry into the country is equivalent to a felony punishable by two years’ imprisonment. Document fraud is subject to fine and imprisonment; so is alien marriage fraud. Evading deportation is a serious crime; illegal re-entry after deportation is punishable by ten years’ imprisonment. Foreigners may be kicked out of the country without due process and the endless bites at the litigation apple that illegal aliens are afforded in our country (see, for example, President Obama’s illegal-alien aunt — a fugitive from deportation for eight years who is awaiting a second decision on her previously rejected asylum claim).

How Mexico Treats Illegal Aliens | National Review
You couldn't find any law because it is not illegal. With the exception of a few totalitarian states, license requirements are granted based on the privileges granted by the license. If being a legal resident of the country has some impact on the ability to drive a vehicle, buy a home, own a vehicle, own a dog, or operate a business then proof of legal residence should be required. To do otherwise, infringes on everyone's personal freedom. I've been in countries where you can't rent a room, buy train ticket, enter a museum, or just walk down a street without proof of your legal residency. Hopefully, we not come to that here.

It's not proof of residency we're talking about. It's about people who broke our laws by illegally entering this country or staying past their Visa expiration date, and rewarding their transgressions with a drivers license. You are making assumptions about Canada, when it likely could be the other way. Apparently it's not an issue over there; at least not enough for anybody to write about. Also, no stories of motor vehicle deaths or DUI's with illegals as is a major problem over here.
The point is that licensing drivers has no direct impact on illegal immigration nor governments ability to deport illegals. However, it does make highways a bit safer and will probably increase the number insuranced slightly.

I disagree 100%
 
Unless you’re here legally such as a travel visa, work visa, green card, etc. you do not have the right to get a drivers license. Period. End of story.

I am not sure I see how rights have anything to do with it, because the POINT is the can and will drive anyway, so issuing them a driver's license just allows us to ensure they are better and safer drivers.
If they have a driver's license, they have had some drivers education and they can buy auto insurance which benefits everyone. The GOP's attempt to keep driver's licenses out of the hands of illegal immigrants is just plain stupid.

Each State is different. Here, there is no law that says you have one second of Drivers Education. If you are over a certain age, you only have to pass a written test and a road test and Presto, Chango. Plus, you have to have Insurance to bind your license to. What idiot Insurance Company would give insurance to an illegal before they passed their DL test? In order to get that insurance, the Insured would have to lie out his ass to get it. That means, when or if he does have an accident involving you, his insurance won't pay off a dime since it was obtain fraudulently. That means, even offering the DL to an Illegal doesn't protect you any better than if they were driving with no DL or insurance.
All auto insurance that I am familiar with requires a valid US drivers license. And they do check it. A few years ago I applied for auto insurance and made a mistake on my driver's license number. They came back immediately and denied coverage. I called the company and gave them my correct drivers licence number and the problem was solved.

If allowing undocumented immigrants to have drivers licenses and it increases the number of trained and insured drivers, I'm all far. I'm OK with the goverment enforcing immigration laws but I don't see how denying drivers license will help.

The same way it helps Americans. It's a perk. It's an attraction that's added to the list of attractions Democrats provide to lure them here.
If they enter the country illegally, they expose themselves to significant dangers and if caught lose their ability to enter the country legally. They don't qualify for any federal benefits programs, and in most states can't take advantage of police protection without exposing themselves. So now illegal immigrants come to the US to get a drivers license. You do realize most of them can get drivers licenses in their home country.
 
I am not sure I see how rights have anything to do with it, because the POINT is the can and will drive anyway, so issuing them a driver's license just allows us to ensure they are better and safer drivers.
If they have a driver's license, they have had some drivers education and they can buy auto insurance which benefits everyone. The GOP's attempt to keep driver's licenses out of the hands of illegal immigrants is just plain stupid.

Each State is different. Here, there is no law that says you have one second of Drivers Education. If you are over a certain age, you only have to pass a written test and a road test and Presto, Chango. Plus, you have to have Insurance to bind your license to. What idiot Insurance Company would give insurance to an illegal before they passed their DL test? In order to get that insurance, the Insured would have to lie out his ass to get it. That means, when or if he does have an accident involving you, his insurance won't pay off a dime since it was obtain fraudulently. That means, even offering the DL to an Illegal doesn't protect you any better than if they were driving with no DL or insurance.
All auto insurance that I am familiar with requires a valid US drivers license. And they do check it. A few years ago I applied for auto insurance and made a mistake on my driver's license number. They came back immediately and denied coverage. I called the company and gave them my correct drivers licence number and the problem was solved.

If allowing undocumented immigrants to have drivers licenses and it increases the number of trained and insured drivers, I'm all far. I'm OK with the goverment enforcing immigration laws but I don't see how denying drivers license will help.

The same way it helps Americans. It's a perk. It's an attraction that's added to the list of attractions Democrats provide to lure them here.
If they enter the country illegally, they expose themselves to significant dangers and if caught lose their ability to enter the country legally. They don't qualify for any federal benefits programs, and in most states can't take advantage of police protection without exposing themselves. So now illegal immigrants come to the US to get a drivers license. You do realize most of them can get drivers licenses in their home country.

The more deterrents the better. If you want to come here, do so legally.
 
Unless you’re here legally such as a travel visa, work visa, green card, etc. you do not have the right to get a drivers license. Period. End of story.

I am not sure I see how rights have anything to do with it, because the POINT is the can and will drive anyway, so issuing them a driver's license just allows us to ensure they are better and safer drivers.
If they have a driver's license, they have had some drivers education and they can buy auto insurance which benefits everyone. The GOP's attempt to keep driver's licenses out of the hands of illegal immigrants is just plain stupid.

Each State is different. Here, there is no law that says you have one second of Drivers Education. If you are over a certain age, you only have to pass a written test and a road test and Presto, Chango. Plus, you have to have Insurance to bind your license to. What idiot Insurance Company would give insurance to an illegal before they passed their DL test? In order to get that insurance, the Insured would have to lie out his ass to get it. That means, when or if he does have an accident involving you, his insurance won't pay off a dime since it was obtain fraudulently. That means, even offering the DL to an Illegal doesn't protect you any better than if they were driving with no DL or insurance.
All auto insurance that I am familiar with requires a valid US drivers license. And they do check it. A few years ago I applied for auto insurance and made a mistake on my driver's license number. They came back immediately and denied coverage. I called the company and gave them my correct drivers licence number and the problem was solved.

If allowing undocumented immigrants to have drivers licenses and it increases the number of trained and insured drivers, I'm all far. I'm OK with the goverment enforcing immigration laws but I don't see how denying drivers license will help.

Play Devil's Advocate. How do you think it would help potentially?
I don't think allowing or not allowing drivers licenses to undocumented immigrants would have any measurable effect on immigration enforcement.

Undocumented workers have an average wages 42 percent lower than the wages of U.S.-born workers and legal immigrants. What that means is most of them can't afford to own and operate a vehicle.
 
I am not sure I see how rights have anything to do with it, because the POINT is the can and will drive anyway, so issuing them a driver's license just allows us to ensure they are better and safer drivers.
If they have a driver's license, they have had some drivers education and they can buy auto insurance which benefits everyone. The GOP's attempt to keep driver's licenses out of the hands of illegal immigrants is just plain stupid.

Each State is different. Here, there is no law that says you have one second of Drivers Education. If you are over a certain age, you only have to pass a written test and a road test and Presto, Chango. Plus, you have to have Insurance to bind your license to. What idiot Insurance Company would give insurance to an illegal before they passed their DL test? In order to get that insurance, the Insured would have to lie out his ass to get it. That means, when or if he does have an accident involving you, his insurance won't pay off a dime since it was obtain fraudulently. That means, even offering the DL to an Illegal doesn't protect you any better than if they were driving with no DL or insurance.
All auto insurance that I am familiar with requires a valid US drivers license. And they do check it. A few years ago I applied for auto insurance and made a mistake on my driver's license number. They came back immediately and denied coverage. I called the company and gave them my correct drivers licence number and the problem was solved.

If allowing undocumented immigrants to have drivers licenses and it increases the number of trained and insured drivers, I'm all far. I'm OK with the goverment enforcing immigration laws but I don't see how denying drivers license will help.

Play Devil's Advocate. How do you think it would help potentially?
I don't think allowing or not allowing drivers licenses to undocumented immigrants would have any measurable effect on immigration enforcement.

Undocumented workers have an average wages 42 percent lower than the wages of U.S.-born workers and legal immigrants. What that means is most of them can't afford to own and operate a vehicle.

That you know of? Most are paid in cash under the table. Zero taxes. There is your 42%...
 
If tests are conducted in English, why is New York offering drivers manuals in any language of your origin?
They always have been

Many non citizens obtain drivers licenses. Your car does not know what language you speak

However the signs tell you what a driver should be aware of, and they are all written in English.
Exactly

That is why them getting a license makes us safer
You are NOT this stupid. Just isn't possible.
Having properly trained, licensed and insured drivers does not make us safer?

Did you ever move on from that short bus?

You are NOT this stupid. Just isn't possible. You are shitposting.
 
I am not sure I see how rights have anything to do with it, because the POINT is the can and will drive anyway, so issuing them a driver's license just allows us to ensure they are better and safer drivers.
If they have a driver's license, they have had some drivers education and they can buy auto insurance which benefits everyone. The GOP's attempt to keep driver's licenses out of the hands of illegal immigrants is just plain stupid.

Each State is different. Here, there is no law that says you have one second of Drivers Education. If you are over a certain age, you only have to pass a written test and a road test and Presto, Chango. Plus, you have to have Insurance to bind your license to. What idiot Insurance Company would give insurance to an illegal before they passed their DL test? In order to get that insurance, the Insured would have to lie out his ass to get it. That means, when or if he does have an accident involving you, his insurance won't pay off a dime since it was obtain fraudulently. That means, even offering the DL to an Illegal doesn't protect you any better than if they were driving with no DL or insurance.
All auto insurance that I am familiar with requires a valid US drivers license. And they do check it. A few years ago I applied for auto insurance and made a mistake on my driver's license number. They came back immediately and denied coverage. I called the company and gave them my correct drivers licence number and the problem was solved.

If allowing undocumented immigrants to have drivers licenses and it increases the number of trained and insured drivers, I'm all far. I'm OK with the goverment enforcing immigration laws but I don't see how denying drivers license will help.

The same way it helps Americans. It's a perk. It's an attraction that's added to the list of attractions Democrats provide to lure them here.
If they enter the country illegally, they expose themselves to significant dangers and if caught lose their ability to enter the country legally. They don't qualify for any federal benefits programs, and in most states can't take advantage of police protection without exposing themselves. So now illegal immigrants come to the US to get a drivers license. You do realize most of them can get drivers licenses in their home country.

I don't see how that's relevant here. If they come here and drop babies they can't afford, who do you think takes care of them? That's right, the US taxpayers. It's the same with education. The illegals don't pay for the education of their children, we taxpayers do via property tax, at least in my state. But no matter how it's funded, it's not being funded by them in many cases.

As for police, that's the excuse most people on the left give me about sanctuary cities and states. They have told me that by not cooperating with ICE, it gives illegals the ability to confide in police without ramifications. As for myself, I think that's as phony of a concern as safety on our roads by licensing them. They are just looking for excuses to keep and protect them here.

When NY announced that they will provide illegals with drivers licenses, they had videos of DMV's in NYC with lines a mile long outside of illegals. They didn't seem very coy or scared to me. Some of them waiving at the cameras.

The most disturbing part of this is that once they have a drivers license from a state that permits illegals to drive, they can drive to any state that don't want them driving. It's why one poster suggested that perhaps the way to combat this is for other states to not grant reciprocity. From now on, you can't drive in my state of Ohio with a NY license unless they get rid of handing them out to illegals.
 
I am not sure I see how rights have anything to do with it, because the POINT is the can and will drive anyway, so issuing them a driver's license just allows us to ensure they are better and safer drivers.
If they have a driver's license, they have had some drivers education and they can buy auto insurance which benefits everyone. The GOP's attempt to keep driver's licenses out of the hands of illegal immigrants is just plain stupid.

Each State is different. Here, there is no law that says you have one second of Drivers Education. If you are over a certain age, you only have to pass a written test and a road test and Presto, Chango. Plus, you have to have Insurance to bind your license to. What idiot Insurance Company would give insurance to an illegal before they passed their DL test? In order to get that insurance, the Insured would have to lie out his ass to get it. That means, when or if he does have an accident involving you, his insurance won't pay off a dime since it was obtain fraudulently. That means, even offering the DL to an Illegal doesn't protect you any better than if they were driving with no DL or insurance.
All auto insurance that I am familiar with requires a valid US drivers license. And they do check it. A few years ago I applied for auto insurance and made a mistake on my driver's license number. They came back immediately and denied coverage. I called the company and gave them my correct drivers licence number and the problem was solved.

If allowing undocumented immigrants to have drivers licenses and it increases the number of trained and insured drivers, I'm all far. I'm OK with the goverment enforcing immigration laws but I don't see how denying drivers license will help.

The same way it helps Americans. It's a perk. It's an attraction that's added to the list of attractions Democrats provide to lure them here.
If they enter the country illegally, they expose themselves to significant dangers and if caught lose their ability to enter the country legally. They don't qualify for any federal benefits programs, and in most states can't take advantage of police protection without exposing themselves. So now illegal immigrants come to the US to get a drivers license. You do realize most of them can get drivers licenses in their home country.

You are NOT this thick. Just isn't possible.
 
I am not sure I see how rights have anything to do with it, because the POINT is the can and will drive anyway, so issuing them a driver's license just allows us to ensure they are better and safer drivers.
If they have a driver's license, they have had some drivers education and they can buy auto insurance which benefits everyone. The GOP's attempt to keep driver's licenses out of the hands of illegal immigrants is just plain stupid.

Each State is different. Here, there is no law that says you have one second of Drivers Education. If you are over a certain age, you only have to pass a written test and a road test and Presto, Chango. Plus, you have to have Insurance to bind your license to. What idiot Insurance Company would give insurance to an illegal before they passed their DL test? In order to get that insurance, the Insured would have to lie out his ass to get it. That means, when or if he does have an accident involving you, his insurance won't pay off a dime since it was obtain fraudulently. That means, even offering the DL to an Illegal doesn't protect you any better than if they were driving with no DL or insurance.
All auto insurance that I am familiar with requires a valid US drivers license. And they do check it. A few years ago I applied for auto insurance and made a mistake on my driver's license number. They came back immediately and denied coverage. I called the company and gave them my correct drivers licence number and the problem was solved.

If allowing undocumented immigrants to have drivers licenses and it increases the number of trained and insured drivers, I'm all far. I'm OK with the goverment enforcing immigration laws but I don't see how denying drivers license will help.

Play Devil's Advocate. How do you think it would help potentially?
I don't think allowing or not allowing drivers licenses to undocumented immigrants would have any measurable effect on immigration enforcement.

Undocumented workers have an average wages 42 percent lower than the wages of U.S.-born workers and legal immigrants. What that means is most of them can't afford to own and operate a vehicle.

If that were true, how is it that in 2018, ICE deported over 80,000 illegals who were charged or convicted of drunk driving?
 
If they have a driver's license, they have had some drivers education and they can buy auto insurance which benefits everyone. The GOP's attempt to keep driver's licenses out of the hands of illegal immigrants is just plain stupid.

Each State is different. Here, there is no law that says you have one second of Drivers Education. If you are over a certain age, you only have to pass a written test and a road test and Presto, Chango. Plus, you have to have Insurance to bind your license to. What idiot Insurance Company would give insurance to an illegal before they passed their DL test? In order to get that insurance, the Insured would have to lie out his ass to get it. That means, when or if he does have an accident involving you, his insurance won't pay off a dime since it was obtain fraudulently. That means, even offering the DL to an Illegal doesn't protect you any better than if they were driving with no DL or insurance.
All auto insurance that I am familiar with requires a valid US drivers license. And they do check it. A few years ago I applied for auto insurance and made a mistake on my driver's license number. They came back immediately and denied coverage. I called the company and gave them my correct drivers licence number and the problem was solved.

If allowing undocumented immigrants to have drivers licenses and it increases the number of trained and insured drivers, I'm all far. I'm OK with the goverment enforcing immigration laws but I don't see how denying drivers license will help.

The same way it helps Americans. It's a perk. It's an attraction that's added to the list of attractions Democrats provide to lure them here.
If they enter the country illegally, they expose themselves to significant dangers and if caught lose their ability to enter the country legally. They don't qualify for any federal benefits programs, and in most states can't take advantage of police protection without exposing themselves. So now illegal immigrants come to the US to get a drivers license. You do realize most of them can get drivers licenses in their home country.

I don't see how that's relevant here. If they come here and drop babies they can't afford, who do you think takes care of them? That's right, the US taxpayers. It's the same with education. The illegals don't pay for the education of their children, we taxpayers do via property tax, at least in my state. But no matter how it's funded, it's not being funded by them in many cases.

As for police, that's the excuse most people on the left give me about sanctuary cities and states. They have told me that by not cooperating with ICE, it gives illegals the ability to confide in police without ramifications. As for myself, I think that's as phony of a concern as safety on our roads by licensing them. They are just looking for excuses to keep and protect them here.

When NY announced that they will provide illegals with drivers licenses, they had videos of DMV's in NYC with lines a mile long outside of illegals. They didn't seem very coy or scared to me. Some of them waiving at the cameras.

The most disturbing part of this is that once they have a drivers license from a state that permits illegals to drive, they can drive to any state that don't want them driving. It's why one poster suggested that perhaps the way to combat this is for other states to not grant reciprocity. From now on, you can't drive in my state of Ohio with a NY license unless they get rid of handing them out to illegals.

I am closer than I ever thought I would be to my wife's view on illegal aliens. Honestly...that scares the hell out of me.
 
Each State is different. Here, there is no law that says you have one second of Drivers Education. If you are over a certain age, you only have to pass a written test and a road test and Presto, Chango. Plus, you have to have Insurance to bind your license to. What idiot Insurance Company would give insurance to an illegal before they passed their DL test? In order to get that insurance, the Insured would have to lie out his ass to get it. That means, when or if he does have an accident involving you, his insurance won't pay off a dime since it was obtain fraudulently. That means, even offering the DL to an Illegal doesn't protect you any better than if they were driving with no DL or insurance.
All auto insurance that I am familiar with requires a valid US drivers license. And they do check it. A few years ago I applied for auto insurance and made a mistake on my driver's license number. They came back immediately and denied coverage. I called the company and gave them my correct drivers licence number and the problem was solved.

If allowing undocumented immigrants to have drivers licenses and it increases the number of trained and insured drivers, I'm all far. I'm OK with the goverment enforcing immigration laws but I don't see how denying drivers license will help.

The same way it helps Americans. It's a perk. It's an attraction that's added to the list of attractions Democrats provide to lure them here.
If they enter the country illegally, they expose themselves to significant dangers and if caught lose their ability to enter the country legally. They don't qualify for any federal benefits programs, and in most states can't take advantage of police protection without exposing themselves. So now illegal immigrants come to the US to get a drivers license. You do realize most of them can get drivers licenses in their home country.

I don't see how that's relevant here. If they come here and drop babies they can't afford, who do you think takes care of them? That's right, the US taxpayers. It's the same with education. The illegals don't pay for the education of their children, we taxpayers do via property tax, at least in my state. But no matter how it's funded, it's not being funded by them in many cases.

As for police, that's the excuse most people on the left give me about sanctuary cities and states. They have told me that by not cooperating with ICE, it gives illegals the ability to confide in police without ramifications. As for myself, I think that's as phony of a concern as safety on our roads by licensing them. They are just looking for excuses to keep and protect them here.

When NY announced that they will provide illegals with drivers licenses, they had videos of DMV's in NYC with lines a mile long outside of illegals. They didn't seem very coy or scared to me. Some of them waiving at the cameras.

The most disturbing part of this is that once they have a drivers license from a state that permits illegals to drive, they can drive to any state that don't want them driving. It's why one poster suggested that perhaps the way to combat this is for other states to not grant reciprocity. From now on, you can't drive in my state of Ohio with a NY license unless they get rid of handing them out to illegals.

I am closer than I ever thought I would be to my wife's view on illegal aliens. Honestly...that scares the hell out of me.

I don't know what your wife's view is. You mean more pro-immigrant or anti-immigrant?
 
I don't know what your wife's view is. You mean more pro-immigrant or anti-immigrant?

She is in favor of all illegals being rounded up en masse and shot.

Then I'm with your wife as well. Just a few years ago they started handing out ballots in different languages. That isn't the America I grew up in. Now we have to cater to any clown that gets into our country. If you can't take the effort to come here legally, learn our language the best you can, then we shouldn't be catering to those people--they should be catering to us.
 
The advantage of them getting a license here is that they may not have been well tested in Mexico, or they may not be up on local state law peculiarities. You also want a local address on file so you can get a hold of them if there is a complaint or law suit.

No, what I want is to make them as miserable as possible being here. I want them hiding in sewers and scared to death of getting caught here.

We on the right are doing everything we can to stop this terrible problem, and you on the left are doing everything you can to getting more of them in this country. And yes, making it comfortable and rewarding their criminal behavior is doing just that.

Ray, will you admit that I am left of you? Just a simple yes or no will work.

Now, that we have that covered and to you I am a Leftie, how can you explain me not wanting to issued DL's to Illegal? Afterall, it's only the Right that is working so hard to prevent DL's being issued to Illegals and us Lefties that are working so hard to get all of them DL's. How about an answer to that one for a change?

WTF are you talking about? I wasn't responding to you, I was responding to Rigby.

You said that ALL Lefties were after the same conclusion. Well, chipper, I asked you two questions.

Am I a leftie?
Do ALL Lefties want Illegals to have a legal Drivers License and be Insured?

Why are you asking me if I think you are a lefty? I don't need to ask anybody how they think about what side I'm on. I said "you on the left" to another poster, and if you think I was talking about you, then so be it. But I didn't make the judgment on you being a lefty or not.

You made the blanket statement that ALL Lefties pretty much want Illegals to have legal Drivers Licenses. Not your exact words, but close enough. And you stated it in an open forum. Do you hold to that still or did your fingers get your ass in trouble once again? You insulted many in here. If you don't want called on it, don't insult the group. And it doesn't matter if you were answering just one person or not.
 

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