Republican Senators send a letter to Iran. Wow. Damn!

[theDoctorisIn]

Iran is one of the oldest civilizations on the planet.

They haven't lasted 6,000 years being irrational.

Problem. Iran isn't limited to its geographical borders. It holds influence over multiple countries in the ME.

Iran has some level of influence in Syria and Iraq. That's about it.

The whole Iran empire-building meme is mostly just fantasy and fear-mongering.

Uh, and what proof do you have that Iran's influence is that limited?

What "proof" do you have that Iran's influence is any more than that?

As you so often point out, it isn't up to me to prove a negative.

You are making the positive claim here - that Iran has vast influence in surrounding countries.

It's your responsibility to back that up, not mine to prove wrong.

 

[1stRambo]

Yo, how quickly we forget? Just a few days back the "Socialist Progressive Democrats" showed their true colors as traitors! They boycotted Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's speech, our only ally in the middle east? Now who is the real Hypocrite in Washington?

"GTP"

"OBAMA AND HIS PUPPETS HATE AMERICA"
View attachment 37678

Umh...what does boycotting a speech have to do with anything?

Yo, use that tiny brain if possible?

"GTP"

 

[Judicial review]

Problem. Iran isn't limited to its geographical borders. It holds influence over multiple countries in the ME.

Iran has some level of influence in Syria and Iraq. That's about it.

The whole Iran empire-building meme is mostly just fantasy and fear-mongering.

Uh, and what proof do you have that Iran's influence is that limited?

What "proof" do you have that Iran's influence is any more than that?

As you so often point out, it isn't up to me to prove a negative.

You are making the positive claim here - that Iran has vast influence in surrounding countries.

It's your responsibility to back that up, not mine to prove wrong.

We'll they have a ton of terrorists in their country AND are in all the other countries..... so....... What does your common sense say they could possibly be doing? God gave us a brain for a reason, and the ability to know right from wrong, which come to think of it people with mental retardation can even tell that...

 

[Coyote]

Yo, how quickly we forget? Just a few days back the "Socialist Progressive Democrats" showed their true colors as traitors! They boycotted Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's speech, our only ally in the middle east? Now who is the real Hypocrite in Washington?

"GTP"

"OBAMA AND HIS PUPPETS HATE AMERICA"
View attachment 37678

Umh...what does boycotting a speech have to do with anything?

Yo, use that tiny brain if possible?

"GTP"

Translation: I can't come up with a coherent response so I'll just fling some monkey poo

So folks are now "traiters" if they boycott a foriegn national's speech? Will wonders never cease...

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Iran has some level of influence in Syria and Iraq. That's about it.

The whole Iran empire-building meme is mostly just fantasy and fear-mongering.

Uh, and what proof do you have that Iran's influence is that limited?

What "proof" do you have that Iran's influence is any more than that?

As you so often point out, it isn't up to me to prove a negative.

You are making the positive claim here - that Iran has vast influence in surrounding countries.

It's your responsibility to back that up, not mine to prove wrong.

We'll they have a ton of terrorists in their country AND are in all the other countries..... so....... What does your common sense say they could possibly be doing? God gave us a brain for a reason, and the ability to know right from wrong, which come to think of it people with mental retardation can even tell that...

"Common sense" is often what people say when they don't understand a situation, yet still have an opinion on it.

 

[Judicial review]

But in the process the US will be forced to retaliate. And most likely World War III will begin.

Exactly. Which is why I seriously doubt Iran would nuke Israel (aside from the fact that Israel would obliterate it in return).

Irans people don't support or control it's terroist regime. So why would the regime care about it's people?

 

[1stRambo]

Yo, how quickly we forget? Just a few days back the "Socialist Progressive Democrats" showed their true colors as traitors! They boycotted Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's speech, our only ally in the middle east? Now who is the real Hypocrite in Washington?

"GTP"

"OBAMA AND HIS PUPPETS HATE AMERICA"
View attachment 37678

Umh...what does boycotting a speech have to do with anything?

Yo, use that tiny brain if possible?

"GTP"

Translation: I can't come up with a coherent response so I'll just fling some monkey poo

So folks are now "traiters" if they boycott a foriegn national's speech? Will wonders never cease...

Yo, Traitors? If you can`t see it? Then maybe night school might help you, main subject needed: History!

"GTP"

 

[Shrimpbox]

"Neither the President nor the Senate, solely, can complete a treaty; they are checks upon each other, and are so balanced as to produce security to the people."

-James Wilson of Pennsylvania, delegate and signatory to the United States Constitution

In that respect, this treaty, with the terms as they are, would not only endanger Israel, it could necessarily threaten that of the world and ultimately the United States.

Executive agreements are madehttp://constitution.findlaw.com/article2/annotation12.html: Annotation 12 - Article II - FindLaw

Suddenly, Congress is having a hissy fit.

There is no indication yet that it would endanger israel or threaten the world or the US.

However - being forced into a military conflict most certainly would threaten us.

Perhaps you didn't see the post above the one you quoted. I know exactly what an EA is. It is legal to a point. Reid v Covert covers that.

Reid v. Covert 354 U.S. 1 1956 Justia U.S. Supreme Court Center

I'm just wondering why - suddenly - Republicans are having a hissy fit over something routinely done by presidents.

I think I know why...because, even with their limitations, they do carry the weight of law internationally and once in place, they are very difficult to dismantle. The Republicans are trying to scuttle it because they won't have much effect on it afterwards.

Coyote do you understand what you just said. Obama can unilaterally create international law that this country is bound by and the congress has no say in it. If such is true, and I don't believe it is, then you have just made the republican case. And remember, the only way Obama is able to pass big ticket items is to lie to the American people(see obamacare ) and keep details of a settlement secret until after it is passed(see FCC decision). Sound familiar.

But the floats in the repub stupid parade just keep on passing by. The lunatics are running the asylum. Let's see if i got this right. With two weeks to the treaty deadline, a deadline that would not have been met, repubs just gave Obama the perfect out. I could have had peace if it hadn't been for those warmongering republicans. The focus will be on stupid republicans and not an inept Obama. You can't even make this stuff up. Which Mensa republicans came up with this strategy gem. They couldn't have just waited and then sent a letter. And let's pile on after the Boehner invite to bibi undercutting the presidents negotiating stance by letting only the republican senators, not a bipartisan group,peacock strut in front of the mullahs to confirm their impotence and total lack of class. Democrats don't even have to worry about talking points, the republicans write em for them.

You know this can't get any worse and so I am offering myself up for free for 90 days as a pr/strategic consultant. Once I have turned around the republicans in Congress I will be available for the campaign. Suicide is not painless.

 

[Judicial review]

Uh, and what proof do you have that Iran's influence is that limited?

What "proof" do you have that Iran's influence is any more than that?

As you so often point out, it isn't up to me to prove a negative.

You are making the positive claim here - that Iran has vast influence in surrounding countries.

It's your responsibility to back that up, not mine to prove wrong.

We'll they have a ton of terrorists in their country AND are in all the other countries..... so....... What does your common sense say they could possibly be doing? God gave us a brain for a reason, and the ability to know right from wrong, which come to think of it people with mental retardation can even tell that...

"Common sense" is often what people say when they don't understand a situation, yet still have an opinion on it.

No, it's pretty clear to the majority of America.... Just not a select few.

So the iranian regime isn't a bunch of terroists? They don't silence their own people through force? There simply a country looking for cheap energy even though they have oil? I hope you explain this. I'm looking forward to it. Remember Doc, I'm the political genius here, and I always win.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

What "proof" do you have that Iran's influence is any more than that?

As you so often point out, it isn't up to me to prove a negative.

You are making the positive claim here - that Iran has vast influence in surrounding countries.

It's your responsibility to back that up, not mine to prove wrong.

We'll they have a ton of terrorists in their country AND are in all the other countries..... so....... What does your common sense say they could possibly be doing? God gave us a brain for a reason, and the ability to know right from wrong, which come to think of it people with mental retardation can even tell that...

"Common sense" is often what people say when they don't understand a situation, yet still have an opinion on it.

No, it's pretty clear to the majority of America.... Just not a select few.

So the iranian regime isn't a bunch of terroists? They don't silence their own people through force? There simply a country looking for cheap energy even though they have oil? I hope you explain this. I'm looking forward to it. Remember Doc, I'm the political genius here, and I always win.

Of course you are.

 

[Judicial review]

"Neither the President nor the Senate, solely, can complete a treaty; they are checks upon each other, and are so balanced as to produce security to the people."

-James Wilson of Pennsylvania, delegate and signatory to the United States Constitution

In that respect, this treaty, with the terms as they are, would not only endanger Israel, it could necessarily threaten that of the world and ultimately the United States.

Executive agreements are madehttp://constitution.findlaw.com/article2/annotation12.html: Annotation 12 - Article II - FindLaw

Suddenly, Congress is having a hissy fit.

There is no indication yet that it would endanger israel or threaten the world or the US.

However - being forced into a military conflict most certainly would threaten us.

Perhaps you didn't see the post above the one you quoted. I know exactly what an EA is. It is legal to a point. Reid v Covert covers that.

Reid v. Covert 354 U.S. 1 1956 Justia U.S. Supreme Court Center

I'm just wondering why - suddenly - Republicans are having a hissy fit over something routinely done by presidents.

I think I know why...because, even with their limitations, they do carry the weight of law internationally and once in place, they are very difficult to dismantle. The Republicans are trying to scuttle it because they won't have much effect on it afterwards.

Coyote do you understand what you just said. Obama can unilaterally create international law that this country is bound by and the congress has no say in it. If such is true, and I don't believe it is, then you have just made the republican case. And remember, the only way Obama is able to pass big ticket items is to lie to the American people(see obamacare ) and keep details of a settlement secret until after it is passed(see FCC decision). Sound familiar.

But the floats in the repub stupid parade just keep on passing by. The lunatics are running the asylum. Let's see if i got this right. With two weeks to the treaty deadline, a deadline that would not have been met, repubs just gave Obama the perfect out. I could have had peace if it hadn't been for those warmongering republicans. The focus will be on stupid republicans and not an inept Obama. You can't even make this stuff up. Which Mensa republicans came up with this strategy gem. They couldn't have just waited and then sent a letter. And let's pile on after the Boehner invite to bibi undercutting the presidents negotiating stance by letting only the republican senators, not a bipartisan group,peacock strut in front of the mullahs to confirm their impotence and total lack of class. Democrats don't even have to worry about talking points, the republicans write em for them.

You know this can't get any worse and so I am offering myself up for free for 90 days as a pr/strategic consultant. Once I have turned around the republicans in Congress I will be available for the campaign. Suicide is not painless.

It's one thing to understand political process, but that all changes when there is legit danger that could cost american lives, which this agreement will. Don't worry, though, the GOP will come out ahead, regardless. This deal with Iran will hurt him politically agreed to or not agreed to.

 

[Judicial review]

As you so often point out, it isn't up to me to prove a negative.

You are making the positive claim here - that Iran has vast influence in surrounding countries.

It's your responsibility to back that up, not mine to prove wrong.

We'll they have a ton of terrorists in their country AND are in all the other countries..... so....... What does your common sense say they could possibly be doing? God gave us a brain for a reason, and the ability to know right from wrong, which come to think of it people with mental retardation can even tell that...

"Common sense" is often what people say when they don't understand a situation, yet still have an opinion on it.

No, it's pretty clear to the majority of America.... Just not a select few.

So the iranian regime isn't a bunch of terroists? They don't silence their own people through force? There simply a country looking for cheap energy even though they have oil? I hope you explain this. I'm looking forward to it. Remember Doc, I'm the political genius here, and I always win.

Of course you are.

The response I expected. Thank you for your contribution to the JR fund, and I hope to see you again at the next one. Have a very lovely day.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

*Pats head* It's cute how you think mentioning abortion in every thread is some sort of magical spell that makes your drivel relevant.

You missed a spot on your head there gramps. You've mussed up quite the cowlick... .
Abortion is merely another presentation of a disordered mind. So where the issue is public professions advocating for policy that present mental disorder, I like to show other policy which stems from such.

You may disagree, but that's because of the deviant reasoning you're applying there.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

*Pats head* It's cute how you think mentioning abortion in every thread is some sort of magical spell that makes your drivel relevant.

You missed a spot on your head there gramps. You've mussed up quite the cowlick goin now.

Abortion is merely another presentation of a disordered mind. So where the issue is public professions advocating for policy that present mental disorder, I like to show other policy which stems from such.

You may disagree, but that's because of the deviant reasoning you're applying there.

I agree, constantly bringing up abortion in every conversation is a presentation of a disordered mind.

You should see someone about that, pubes.

 

[asterism]

Israel's interests don't trump the rest of the worlds - particularly since Israel is a nuclear power that has refused to sign the NPT.

Sure, but when Iran threatens to wipe you from the face of the Earth, it won't matter who has second strike capability and who doesn't. One nuke ends Israel forever. It won't matter who signed the NPT. Israel will get the blunt end of this deal.

Iran is not suicidal - they're not going to "nuke Israel", and even if they did, "one nuke" won't come close to ending Israel forever.

Israel has second-strike capability, both from ground silos and from submarines. A nuclear attack on Israel would guarantee an automatic nuclear response against Iran.

Israel's nukes are modern thermonuclear fusion bombs - "H-bombs" - which are magnitudes more powerful than anything Iran is close to building. Not to mention the other 3 nuclear powers within 200 miles of Iran.

If a country behaves in a rational manner,,, your argument might work
Iran, or least it leaders are far from stable and trustworthy.
If a theocracy has a belief that suicidal acts can get one into heaven,
it seems a hard sell to believe they are not at least a bit irrational.


Besides, a nuclear bomb capability is the required "trigger" for a H bomb
so, yeah it is a big thing

Iran is one of the oldest civilizations on the planet.

They haven't lasted 6,000 years being irrational.

That's not true at all. Iran is the place where people have lived for 6000 years. The societies that inhabit the land it has changed dramatically many times. The current Iranians are not the former Persians by a long shot.

I don't consider wikipedia a credible source, but it's a good starting point for a one page chronology.

History of Iran - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Israel's interests don't trump the rest of the worlds - particularly since Israel is a nuclear power that has refused to sign the NPT.

Sure, but when Iran threatens to wipe you from the face of the Earth, it won't matter who has second strike capability and who doesn't. One nuke ends Israel forever. It won't matter who signed the NPT. Israel will get the blunt end of this deal.

Iran is not suicidal - they're not going to "nuke Israel", and even if they did, "one nuke" won't come close to ending Israel forever.

Israel has second-strike capability, both from ground silos and from submarines. A nuclear attack on Israel would guarantee an automatic nuclear response against Iran.

Israel's nukes are modern thermonuclear fusion bombs - "H-bombs" - which are magnitudes more powerful than anything Iran is close to building. Not to mention the other 3 nuclear powers within 200 miles of Iran.

If a country behaves in a rational manner,,, your argument might work
Iran, or least it leaders are far from stable and trustworthy.
If a theocracy has a belief that suicidal acts can get one into heaven,
it seems a hard sell to believe they are not at least a bit irrational.


Besides, a nuclear bomb capability is the required "trigger" for a H bomb
so, yeah it is a big thing

Iran is one of the oldest civilizations on the planet.

They haven't lasted 6,000 years being irrational.

That's not true at all. Iran is the place where people have lived for 6000 years. The societies that inhabit the land it has changed dramatically many times. The current Iranians are not the former Persians by a long shot.

I don't consider wikipedia a credible source, but it's a good starting point for a one page chronology.

History of Iran - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Nearly 2/3s of those currently living in Iran are Persian.

 

[asterism]

Israel's interests don't trump the rest of the worlds - particularly since Israel is a nuclear power that has refused to sign the NPT.

Sure, but when Iran threatens to wipe you from the face of the Earth, it won't matter who has second strike capability and who doesn't. One nuke ends Israel forever. It won't matter who signed the NPT. Israel will get the blunt end of this deal.

Iran is not suicidal - they're not going to "nuke Israel", and even if they did, "one nuke" won't come close to ending Israel forever.

Israel has second-strike capability, both from ground silos and from submarines. A nuclear attack on Israel would guarantee an automatic nuclear response against Iran.

Israel's nukes are modern thermonuclear fusion bombs - "H-bombs" - which are magnitudes more powerful than anything Iran is close to building. Not to mention the other 3 nuclear powers within 200 miles of Iran.

If a country behaves in a rational manner,,, your argument might work
Iran, or least it leaders are far from stable and trustworthy.
If a theocracy has a belief that suicidal acts can get one into heaven,
it seems a hard sell to believe they are not at least a bit irrational.


Besides, a nuclear bomb capability is the required "trigger" for a H bomb
so, yeah it is a big thing

Iran is one of the oldest civilizations on the planet.

They haven't lasted 6,000 years being irrational.

Germans are still around and they were pretty irrational


The people have been around that long but they have
change gov'ts and belief systems, multiple times over
It has not even been called Iran for that long of a time

How can a nation that could soon be a nuclear power still legally stone women to death for adultery?

Again, tough sell to make
it seems like a real loser

Somalia has an even older civilization than Iran. I doubt anyone would call their government rational.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Sure, but when Iran threatens to wipe you from the face of the Earth, it won't matter who has second strike capability and who doesn't. One nuke ends Israel forever. It won't matter who signed the NPT. Israel will get the blunt end of this deal.

Iran is not suicidal - they're not going to "nuke Israel", and even if they did, "one nuke" won't come close to ending Israel forever.

Israel has second-strike capability, both from ground silos and from submarines. A nuclear attack on Israel would guarantee an automatic nuclear response against Iran.

Israel's nukes are modern thermonuclear fusion bombs - "H-bombs" - which are magnitudes more powerful than anything Iran is close to building. Not to mention the other 3 nuclear powers within 200 miles of Iran.

If a country behaves in a rational manner,,, your argument might work
Iran, or least it leaders are far from stable and trustworthy.
If a theocracy has a belief that suicidal acts can get one into heaven,
it seems a hard sell to believe they are not at least a bit irrational.


Besides, a nuclear bomb capability is the required "trigger" for a H bomb
so, yeah it is a big thing

Iran is one of the oldest civilizations on the planet.

They haven't lasted 6,000 years being irrational.

Germans are still around and they were pretty irrational


The people have been around that long but they have
change gov'ts and belief systems, multiple times over
It has not even been called Iran for that long of a time

How can a nation that could soon be a nuclear power still legally stone women to death for adultery?

Again, tough sell to make
it seems like a real loser

Somalia has an even older civilization than Iran. I doubt anyone would call their government rational.

The leaders of Somalia are rational.

Corruption isn't irrational.

 

[asterism]

Sure, but when Iran threatens to wipe you from the face of the Earth, it won't matter who has second strike capability and who doesn't. One nuke ends Israel forever. It won't matter who signed the NPT. Israel will get the blunt end of this deal.

Iran is not suicidal - they're not going to "nuke Israel", and even if they did, "one nuke" won't come close to ending Israel forever.

Israel has second-strike capability, both from ground silos and from submarines. A nuclear attack on Israel would guarantee an automatic nuclear response against Iran.

Israel's nukes are modern thermonuclear fusion bombs - "H-bombs" - which are magnitudes more powerful than anything Iran is close to building. Not to mention the other 3 nuclear powers within 200 miles of Iran.

If a country behaves in a rational manner,,, your argument might work
Iran, or least it leaders are far from stable and trustworthy.
If a theocracy has a belief that suicidal acts can get one into heaven,
it seems a hard sell to believe they are not at least a bit irrational.


Besides, a nuclear bomb capability is the required "trigger" for a H bomb
so, yeah it is a big thing

Iran is one of the oldest civilizations on the planet.

They haven't lasted 6,000 years being irrational.

That's not true at all. Iran is the place where people have lived for 6000 years. The societies that inhabit the land it has changed dramatically many times. The current Iranians are not the former Persians by a long shot.

I don't consider wikipedia a credible source, but it's a good starting point for a one page chronology.

History of Iran - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Nearly 2/3s of those currently living in Iran are Persian.

Descendants of Persians who are adherents to radical Shi'a Islam, not exactly on the same level as Al-Razi or the Banu Musa.

 

[asterism]

Iran is not suicidal - they're not going to "nuke Israel", and even if they did, "one nuke" won't come close to ending Israel forever.

Israel has second-strike capability, both from ground silos and from submarines. A nuclear attack on Israel would guarantee an automatic nuclear response against Iran.

Israel's nukes are modern thermonuclear fusion bombs - "H-bombs" - which are magnitudes more powerful than anything Iran is close to building. Not to mention the other 3 nuclear powers within 200 miles of Iran.

If a country behaves in a rational manner,,, your argument might work
Iran, or least it leaders are far from stable and trustworthy.
If a theocracy has a belief that suicidal acts can get one into heaven,
it seems a hard sell to believe they are not at least a bit irrational.


Besides, a nuclear bomb capability is the required "trigger" for a H bomb
so, yeah it is a big thing

Iran is one of the oldest civilizations on the planet.

They haven't lasted 6,000 years being irrational.

Germans are still around and they were pretty irrational


The people have been around that long but they have
change gov'ts and belief systems, multiple times over
It has not even been called Iran for that long of a time

How can a nation that could soon be a nuclear power still legally stone women to death for adultery?

Again, tough sell to make
it seems like a real loser

Somalia has an even older civilization than Iran. I doubt anyone would call their government rational.

The leaders of Somalia are rational.

Corruption isn't irrational.

We obviously have different opinions regarding "rational." I can accept that you think the leaders of Iran are rational since you think that the leaders of Somalia are rational also.