Republican Senators send a letter to Iran. Wow. Damn!

[TemplarKormac]

Iran simply doesn't have the technology for it.

Even with Russia and China as their allies? Come now.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Iran won't be able to build a boosted uranium fission bomb, no matter how many centrifuges they have. The best they could hope for would be a bomb the size of Little Boy or Fat Man, both of which had yields under 20 kilotons. It takes years of testing and experimentation (which would be immediately known by us, Russia and China) to build a simple uranium fission bomb - and years more testing and research to progress to further designs. You can't just build an H-bomb.

Heh, so, you think Iran is limited merely by its own technology? I seriously doubt that. And you forget how long the Iranian nuclear program has been active.

Alright then, so, Iran has enough nuclear fuel at the moment to make 7 implosion style nuclear warheads (that of which you just described)

If they launched just 5 and detonated them 4 miles above the surfaces at Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Haifa, Rishon LeZion, and Ashdod (Israel's 5 largest cities), you would see nearly 300,000 people die at once. It took 9 years for that many to die from the initial explosions, radiation burns and exposure in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Given how small Israel is, the death toll would be magnified.

No, they don't. They don't have any fuel yet - 20% enriched uranium isn't fuel for any bombs.

You're also missing a really big part of the picture. Bombs have to be tested. They don't just spring into being. Implosion triggers have to be designed, and tested. None of those tests will be secret from us, or from Russia, or from China. (Hint: they don't want another member of the club, either).

There is no conceivable scenario in which Iran could surprise Israel with a bomb.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Iran simply doesn't have the technology for it.

Even with Russia and China as their allies? Come now.

Russia and China aren't Iran's "allies". They don't want Iran to have a bomb any more than we do.

No one in the club wants new members.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

It's pretty likely that Israel has the satellites to see an Iranian bomb test, too.

 

[TemplarKormac]

No, they don't. They don't have any fuel yet - 20% enriched uranium isn't fuel for any bombs.

Not true:

http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/140129/clapper.pdf

Iran can now build and deliver nukes US intel reports The Times of Israel

 

[theDoctorisIn]

No, they don't. They don't have any fuel yet - 20% enriched uranium isn't fuel for any bombs.

Not true:

http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/140129/clapper.pdf

Iran can now build and deliver nukes US intel reports The Times of Israel

I think you should re-read that report. It doesn't say what you think it does.

It's actually pretty clear in saying that Iran is stockpiling 20% enriched uranium, and not enriching it further.

A uranium fission bomb requires 90+% enriched uranium.

 

[TemplarKormac]

No, they don't. They don't have any fuel yet - 20% enriched uranium isn't fuel for any bombs.

Not true:

http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/140129/clapper.pdf

Iran can now build and deliver nukes US intel reports The Times of Israel

I think you should re-read that report. It doesn't say what you think it does.

It's actually pretty clear in saying that Iran is stockpiling 20% enriched uranium, and not enriching it further.

A uranium fission bomb requires 90+% enriched uranium.

According to the enrichment process, when you enrich it to 20% you have done almost all the work to further enrich it to 90%. Clearly you aren't that gullible.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

No, they don't. They don't have any fuel yet - 20% enriched uranium isn't fuel for any bombs.

Not true:

http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/140129/clapper.pdf

Iran can now build and deliver nukes US intel reports The Times of Israel

I think you should re-read that report. It doesn't say what you think it does.

It's actually pretty clear in saying that Iran is stockpiling 20% enriched uranium, and not enriching it further.

A uranium fission bomb requires 90+% enriched uranium.

According to the enrichment process, when you enrich it to 20% you have done almost all the work to further enrich it to 90%. Clearly you aren't that gullible.

Where are you getting your information about the enrichment process?

 

[Judicial review]

Iran won't be able to build a boosted uranium fission bomb, no matter how many centrifuges they have. The best they could hope for would be a bomb the size of Little Boy or Fat Man, both of which had yields under 20 kilotons. It takes years of testing and experimentation (which would be immediately known by us, Russia and China) to build a simple uranium fission bomb - and years more testing and research to progress to further designs. You can't just build an H-bomb.

Heh, so, you think Iran is limited merely by its own technology? I seriously doubt that. And you forget how long the Iranian nuclear program has been active.

Alright then, so, Iran has enough nuclear fuel at the moment to make 7 implosion style nuclear warheads (that of which you just described)

If they launched just 5 and detonated them 4 miles above the surfaces at Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Haifa, Rishon LeZion, and Ashdod (Israel's 5 largest cities), you would see nearly 300,000 people die at once. It took 9 years for that many to die from the initial explosions, radiation burns and exposure in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Given how small Israel is, the death toll would be magnified.

No, they don't. They don't have any fuel yet - 20% enriched uranium isn't fuel for any bombs.

You're also missing a really big part of the picture. Bombs have to be tested. They don't just spring into being. Implosion triggers have to be designed, and tested. None of those tests will be secret from us, or from Russia, or from China. (Hint: they don't want another member of the club, either).

There is no conceivable scenario in which Iran could surprise Israel with a bomb.

Dude, they have oil over there.. why do they need uranium? Answer this and I will leave you alone for 24 hours.

 

[TemplarKormac]

No, they don't. They don't have any fuel yet - 20% enriched uranium isn't fuel for any bombs.

Not true:

http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/140129/clapper.pdf

Iran can now build and deliver nukes US intel reports The Times of Israel

I think you should re-read that report. It doesn't say what you think it does.

It's actually pretty clear in saying that Iran is stockpiling 20% enriched uranium, and not enriching it further.

A uranium fission bomb requires 90+% enriched uranium.

According to the enrichment process, when you enrich it to 20% you have done almost all the work to further enrich it to 90%. Clearly you aren't that gullible.

Where are you getting your information about the enrichment process?

"Increasing the percentage of U-235 becomes progressively easier, as explained in a 2012 glossary by the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and Harvard Kennedy School.

If the aim is to reach 90 per cent, getting to 3.5 per cent requires some 75 per cent of the work, and once 20 per cent is attained, nine-tenths of the job is done.

For this reason, when in February 2010 Iran began enriching to 20 per cent alarm bells rang. This dramatically shortens the time needed – in theory – to produce a bomb's worth of weapons-grade uranium.

Iran could, in theory, produce weapons-grade uranium from its stockpile of uranium enriched to five per cent using its existing enrichment facilities at Natanz and Fordo."

Iran nuclear talks what you need to know about uranium enrichment - Telegraph

 

[TemplarKormac]

To state my case further:

"The deadline for an agreement on Iran’s nuclear program is something of a moving target, but right now negotiators need to wrap things up by June 2015. The five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council — China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom and the United States — along with Germany, have until then to strike a deal with the Islamic republic. If all goes the way the United States hopes, a signed agreement will keep Iran out of the nuclear weapons club.

For now, the two sides are operating under an interim agreement, which rolls back Iran’s stock of enriched uranium and freezes the country’s capability to produce nuclear materials that could be used to make a nuclear bomb. In exchange, Iran can sell its oil more freely and gain access to millions of dollars in frozen assets.

One element that’s fully expected in a long-term arrangement is a limit on the number and kinds of centrifuges Iran can use to enrich uranium. Former CIA deputy director Michael Morell said there’s an irony in that.

"If you are going to have a nuclear weapons program, 5,000 is pretty much the number you need," Morell, now a CBS analyst, said on Charlie Rose. "If you have a power program, you need a lot more. By limiting them to a small number of centrifuges, we are limiting them to the number you need for a weapon."

Morell told PunditFact he said 5,000 because that was lowest number he had heard was in play. The number of centrifuges in place today is a hair over 20,000, and a likely goal is to cut that to about 5,000. But Morell’s basic point struck us as just plain intriguing. We wanted to learn more about this idea that a nuclear power program would require many more centrifuges than you’d need for a bomb -- which by extension means that limiting centrifuge capacity is just one negotiating point out of many.

The consensus among the experts we reached is that Morell is on the money. Matthew Kroenig at Georgetown University told PunditFact the Morell is "is absolutely correct." Ditto for Daryl Kimball of the Arms Control Association and David Albright of the Institute for Science and International Security.

Matthew Bunn at Harvardagreed with his colleagues.

"People think surely you must need a bigger enrichment system to make 90 percent enriched material for bombs than to make 4-5 percent enriched material for power reactors," Bunn said. "But exactly the opposite is true."

Bunn said there are two reasons. First, you need tens of tons of material to fuel a power reactor for a year, but just tens of kilograms to make a bomb. According to theInternational Atomic Energy Agency, the threshold amount for a bomb is about 25 kilograms of the most highly enriched U-235.

And while yes, it’s harder to make 90 percent enriched uranium (bomb) than 4-5 percent enriched uranium (power), it’s not that much harder, Bunn said.

The toughest part in the process comes when you start with the raw uranium. By the time you’ve brought that to 4-5 percent, "you’ve already done more than 2/3 of the work of going all the way to 90 percent U-235 for weapons," Bunn said. "So the amount of work needed to make bomb material is only a modest amount more per kilogram, and the number of kilograms you need for bombs is 1,000 times less.

Bottom line: Making bombs takes fewer centrifuges. And without a lot of centrifuges, it’s hard to make nuclear power. For the record, some centrifuge models are better than others, so that's also a factor.

The odd reality of Iran s centrifuges Enough for a bomb not power PunditFact

 

[theDoctorisIn]

No, they don't. They don't have any fuel yet - 20% enriched uranium isn't fuel for any bombs.

Not true:

http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/140129/clapper.pdf

Iran can now build and deliver nukes US intel reports The Times of Israel

I think you should re-read that report. It doesn't say what you think it does.

It's actually pretty clear in saying that Iran is stockpiling 20% enriched uranium, and not enriching it further.

A uranium fission bomb requires 90+% enriched uranium.

According to the enrichment process, when you enrich it to 20% you have done almost all the work to further enrich it to 90%. Clearly you aren't that gullible.

Where are you getting your information about the enrichment process?

"Increasing the percentage of U-235 becomes progressively easier, as explained in a 2012 glossary by the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and Harvard Kennedy School.

If the aim is to reach 90 per cent, getting to 3.5 per cent requires some 75 per cent of the work, and once 20 per cent is attained, nine-tenths of the job is done.

For this reason, when in February 2010 Iran began enriching to 20 per cent alarm bells rang. This dramatically shortens the time needed – in theory – to produce a bomb's worth of weapons-grade uranium.

Iran could, in theory, produce weapons-grade uranium from its stockpile of uranium enriched to five per cent using its existing enrichment facilities at Natanz and Fordo."

Iran nuclear talks what you need to know about uranium enrichment - Telegraph

Fair enough.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Enriching the uranium isn't the same as building a weapon, though.

 

[Judicial review]

Enriching the uranium isn't the same as building a weapon, though.

Why do either? Still waiting..

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Enriching the uranium isn't the same as building a weapon, though.

Why do either? Still waiting..

Pressure.

 

[Judicial review]

Enriching the uranium isn't the same as building a weapon, though.

Why do either? Still waiting..

Pressure.

From who?

 

[theDoctorisIn]

Enriching the uranium isn't the same as building a weapon, though.

Why do either? Still waiting..

Pressure.

From who?

Not from anyone.

Its to put pressure on us, Israel, and the rest of the club.

Iran is surrounded by nuclear powers.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Enriching the uranium isn't the same as building a weapon, though.

In what way may I ask? I unwittingly addressed that question in the intelligence report I linked to earlier. They already have the means, all they need is the payload in place of a conventional warhead. They have all sorts of missiles capable of reaching Israel, I do believe.

Those include

The Soumar Surface to Surface missile (range of 1,500 miles), which they just revealed YESTERDAY, plus the Qadr and Qiyah LRBMs (Long Range Ballistic Missiles) that are capable of hitting the US, over 9,850 miles away (provided that New York is the target).

 

[TemplarKormac]

Iran is surrounded by nuclear powers.

Which screams "I want to be in the club and I don't know the secret password!"

 

[Judicial review]

Enriching the uranium isn't the same as building a weapon, though.

Why do either? Still waiting..

Pressure.

From who?

Not from anyone.

Its to put pressure on us, Israel, and the rest of the club.

Iran is surrounded by nuclear powers.

You know if you said Iran was doing it out of fear of being nuked youd actually have a point to troll on, but dude, you are leaving yourself vulnarable by a genius like me to simply hit you with common sense bro. However, what you said was horribly dumb. You are saying they WANT to be nuked.