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Republican "Surrender then Play Fight" Strategy To Deceive the People

JimBowie1958

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"Step one: Obama wants to do something bad. The Republicans decide to let him do it, while appearing to oppose it. Why? Maybe because they secretly agree that it should be done but know it will infuriate their base (think: raising the debt ceiling). Maybe because, although Republicans know it is bad, they are less concerned about the danger to the country than about the media-Left wrath that will rain down on them if they block Obama. Making a calculation rooted in politics rather than statesmanship, they conclude: It’s better to let the bad thing happen than be blamed for “gridlock,” “partisanship,” etc.; plus, if they can pull off the “enable Obama while ostensibly opposing Obama” trick, their empty rhetorical opposition will poll better than taking real steps to stop the president (think: Iran deal).
"Step two: The legislative template — Surrender . . . Then Play-Fight — is deployed. Republicans engineer the enactment of an authorizing statute that fully permits the bad thing Obama wants to do, but it attaches a “process” that has two conditions: 1) Obama must take certain measures to formally propose the bad thing (even though the bad thing has already been conditionally authorized); and 2) congressional Republicans must be given an opportunity to “disapprove” of the bad thing they have already approved in the authorizing statute. As GOP leadership well knows, this opportunity to disapprove is sheer theater: Obama will veto the “disapproval” and needs only one-third-plus-one support in just one chamber (i.e., 34 senators or 146 House members) to prevent an override."

Read more at: Corker-Cardin Deal -- Congress Should Follow It, All of It | National Review Online

The Republicans really could stop the Iran treaty in its tracks if they wanted to since Obama has violated the terms of the Corker law that authorized its 'fast track' process.

Looks like the GOP might be realizing they have been lied to a snookered by their own leadership again.

The GOP can not defeat the Dimbocrats on any issue while it is led by professional losers Boehner and McConnell.
 
I was talking about this very thing yesterday. It's basically because the GOP (politicians) do not have a spine, nor are they smart.

They are scared of Obama and the media, they always have been. They give him whatever he wants in order that they don't get blamed for actually stopping anything then they pretend to be against it in order to fool the base.

But the base is no longer falling for it. This explains the popularity of Donald Trump. Say what you want about him, he has balls. This is what has been missing from the GOP for decades.
 
I was talking about this very thing yesterday. It's basically because the GOP (politicians) do not have a spine, nor are they smart.

They are scared of Obama and the media, they always have been. They give him whatever he wants in order that they don't get blamed for actually stopping anything then they pretend to be against it in order to fool the base.

But the base is no longer falling for it. This explains the popularity of Donald Trump. Say what you want about him, he has balls. This is what has been missing from the GOP for decades.

Yep, the GOP inside the Beltway hasn't had a pair of balls since Tom DeLay got railroaded out by a package of bullshit charges that only got thrown out after years in the courts. That is the libtard view of 'Justus'.
 
Balls Balls Balls

Actually Trump understands borrowing and leverage very well.

He is a Progressive Statist, you supposed conservatives, and if he is elected, you will be the first to cry. Abortion, Iran, Taxes, Single Payer. That's for starters only.
 
What are they fighting for? We all should agree that infrastructure, science institutions, r&d investment and education is worth while. I am thinking a government shut down would also hurt these things.

They aren't fighting anything, that's the point.

What do you want them to fight for? Why would it be good for this country to shut all these things down to fight for it.
 
What are they fighting for? We all should agree that infrastructure, science institutions, r&d investment and education is worth while. I am thinking a government shut down would also hurt these things.

They aren't fighting anything, that's the point.

What do you want them to fight for? Why would it be good for this country to shut all these things down to fight for it.

Well, how about an 18 trillion dollar deficit for starters? And many economists believe the actual debt is over twice that.
 
What are they fighting for? We all should agree that infrastructure, science institutions, r&d investment and education is worth while. I am thinking a government shut down would also hurt these things.

They aren't fighting anything, that's the point.

What do you want them to fight for? Why would it be good for this country to shut all these things down to fight for it.

Well, how about an 18 trillion dollar deficit for starters? And many economists believe the actual debt is over twice that.


We can balance it as Clinton did without cutting infrastructure, science, r&d and education a cent more. Stay out of wars, stop bail-outs and stop handing out so much welfare.

Weird how we once balanced it without taking a axe to everything.
 
What are they fighting for? We all should agree that infrastructure, science institutions, r&d investment and education is worth while. I am thinking a government shut down would also hurt these things.

They aren't fighting anything, that's the point.

What do you want them to fight for? Why would it be good for this country to shut all these things down to fight for it.

Well, how about an 18 trillion dollar deficit for starters? And many economists believe the actual debt is over twice that.


We can balance it as Clinton did without cutting infrastructure, science, r&d and education a cent more. Stay out of wars, stop bail-outs and stop handing out so much welfare.

You don't understand how the economy works in this country. Clinton didn't do shit. He benefitted from the Dot Com boom which meant high paying jobs for everyone. He also had a Republican congress that he worked with that had the balls to insist that the budget be balanced. The increase in taxes paid by these working people made him look good even though he didn't have shit to do with it.

We can't do that today because decades of progressive regulations huge entitlements has strangled business until the moves everything out of here. You aren't going to balance the budget unless you cut spending. If you want to give money to those things you mentioned then where are you going to cut?

Also, with a debt that high, simply balancing the budget won't do much.
 
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What are they fighting for? We all should agree that infrastructure, science institutions, r&d investment and education is worth while. I am thinking a government shut down would also hurt these things.

They aren't fighting anything, that's the point.

What do you want them to fight for? Why would it be good for this country to shut all these things down to fight for it.

Well, how about an 18 trillion dollar deficit for starters? And many economists believe the actual debt is over twice that.


We can balance it as Clinton did without cutting infrastructure, science, r&d and education a cent more. Stay out of wars, stop bail-outs and stop handing out so much welfare.

You don't understand how the economy works in this country. Clinton didn't do shit. He benefitted from the Dot Com boom which meant high paying jobs for everyone. He also has a Republican

Yup. Clinton was smart in that he stayed out of the way.
 
If republicans dedicated their efforts to pursuing sound, responsible governance, instead of coming up with these inane, goofy 'theories' such as the nonsense in the OP, the Nation and the GOP would be much the better for it.

Indeed, the problem is neither Boehner nor McConnell, the problem is the nitwit extremists, TPM loons, and dullards on the social right who've misappropriated the Republican Party.
 
"Step one: Obama wants to do something bad. The Republicans decide to let him do it, while appearing to oppose it. Why? Maybe because they secretly agree that it should be done but know it will infuriate their base (think: raising the debt ceiling). Maybe because, although Republicans know it is bad, they are less concerned about the danger to the country than about the media-Left wrath that will rain down on them if they block Obama. Making a calculation rooted in politics rather than statesmanship, they conclude: It’s better to let the bad thing happen than be blamed for “gridlock,” “partisanship,” etc.; plus, if they can pull off the “enable Obama while ostensibly opposing Obama” trick, their empty rhetorical opposition will poll better than taking real steps to stop the president (think: Iran deal).
"Step two: The legislative template — Surrender . . . Then Play-Fight — is deployed. Republicans engineer the enactment of an authorizing statute that fully permits the bad thing Obama wants to do, but it attaches a “process” that has two conditions: 1) Obama must take certain measures to formally propose the bad thing (even though the bad thing has already been conditionally authorized); and 2) congressional Republicans must be given an opportunity to “disapprove” of the bad thing they have already approved in the authorizing statute. As GOP leadership well knows, this opportunity to disapprove is sheer theater: Obama will veto the “disapproval” and needs only one-third-plus-one support in just one chamber (i.e., 34 senators or 146 House members) to prevent an override."

Read more at: Corker-Cardin Deal -- Congress Should Follow It, All of It | National Review Online

The Republicans really could stop the Iran treaty in its tracks if they wanted to since Obama has violated the terms of the Corker law that authorized its 'fast track' process.

Looks like the GOP might be realizing they have been lied to a snookered by their own leadership again.

The GOP can not defeat the Dimbocrats on any issue while it is led by professional losers Boehner and McConnell.
I have to agree with you Jim. We installed republicans to oppose Obama no matter what, but they chicken out. We have their back, but they're giving us the finger. Leadership change is the solution. InstAll Ted Cruz as majority leader. I don't know who to install for Speaker. Maybe Louis Gohmert.
 
What are they fighting for? We all should agree that infrastructure, science institutions, r&d investment and education is worth while. I am thinking a government shut down would also hurt these things.

They aren't fighting anything, that's the point.

What do you want them to fight for? Why would it be good for this country to shut all these things down to fight for it.
It is their job to approve treaties, Matthew. Remember that from Civics class?

The Republican leaders aren't going to fight, hell they wont even slow Obama down as he heads to the next golf course.

But this treaty is a catastrophe for world peace and nuclear containment.

But I guess that's OK with you as long as there is more science funding? Really?
 
Funny how the media spins this treaty being unstoppable. Even FOX News has had several experts on that said it was unstoppable and no one to state otherwise...and yet the means to stop it is plain and out in the open; Obama has not yet delivered to Congress the FULL TREATY. And the time clock is not supposed to start till he sends the whole thing to Congress.

Just like the TPP, the RINO leaders in Congress want to pass this thing because they don't want to draw Obama's wrath, but they want the public to think that they are a real opposition party, when nothing could be further from the Truth.
 

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