Republicans and Poverty

[Indymike]

Hey, I'm new. One of the things that confuses me the most about the Republican Party is its stance on poverty. I want to start out by saying that I am an Indiana Republican and I grew up middle class. We lived by two common rules. Work Hard, Believe in God. These two things were not a bad thing to grow up on. I had early success in school, and I got a college degree, but my OCD became increasingly worse. I am now disabled and I am well versed in poverty.

I admit that I like watching Fox News, but people like O'Reily and Hannity seem completely clueless when discussing the poor. They think that if you have two parents and a good attitude that everyone can be successful. This is both naive and quite untrue. I think the biggest misconception is that minimum wage jobs are just for teenagers. The idea of working yourself up some kind of ladder is nice, but it is not reality for millions of people. I know many adults who would be grateful for any kind of work, not just some dream job. I want to focus on the mentally ill and those who have various forms of low IQ. If you have never been before a judge for a disability hearing, then you don't know that getting help for a mental disability is nearly impossible. For every person who cheats, there is at least another person who can't get help.

I'm going to tie everything up by going to the wage debate. I firmly believe that if you work hard for 40 hours a week, then you deserve a living wage. I'm not talking raising a family on one income, I'm talking food, gas, and health care for one person. I don't believe in "bad jobs" or meaningless jobs. I think the first step is to get everyone back to 40 hours a week. It is ridiculous that people have to work three part time jobs. I also think that wages can go up without the world coming to an end. I'm sick of hearing about the 100$ cheeseburger and half of all jobs as we know it will disappear. Instead of clinging so tightly to current wages, I do not think it is too difficult for fellow Republicans to treat minimum wage earners with respect. Bye the way, It is not just Fox, I have yet to see any Republican candidate or political expert view minimum wage jobs as anything other than high school kids who don't really matter.

Republicans want to help those who really need help and it sounds like you do.....and it isn't a misconception that minimum wage jobs are primarily for teenagers...you are the exception in that you say you are disabled and can only hold onto a minimum wage job....

The problem comes from the government encouraging healthy people to become dependent on the lowest level of success.....and democrats do this by destroying public education, creating graduates who can't read, write or do math...and that creates people who can't support themselves or advance in life....'

You mention 40 hours a week...if democrats love 40 hours a week...why did obama care create an incentive to reduce the hours of full time workers....?

Democrats need more people in your situation, but they need healthy, capable people on the government rolls because when people can succeed...they don't need democrats....

And because the government wastes so much money...that takes money away from people who really need it...back in the 90s the number was only 26 cents out of every dollar spent for the poor actually made it to people who needed it....26 cents.....the waste, fraud and abuse burns up all the tax money meant to help the really needy....we need to fix that...and more government...the people who created this mess, will not fix it....

Just because I am poor doesn't mean I am not a republican. I know the government messes everything up. I honestly don't know the answer to getting people off of government dependence. It is pretty clear that throwing money at education doesn't do any good, but I'm guessing that goes in the education section. All I really wanted to say is that it is a mistake to assume that minimum wage jobs don't count, and that many people need and are thankful for these jobs. Generational poverty does appear to be a democrat creation. I still believe in the American Dream, but kicking the little guy does get kind of old.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I did not intend to hit such a nerve. I never once advocated welfare. I'm talking about people who are working. I honestly did not expect people to be bashing people that are indeed working. It is kind of low to bash people that have jobs. This is kind of the point I was trying to make. I'm not saying everyone should make 100$ an hour. I do not think people are being honest when they say all businesses will fail if they actually paid their employees. I'm not trying to paint republicans with a wide brush of they don't care about the poor, but in this one instance I really don't think they get it.

I honestly did not expect people to be bashing people that are indeed working. It is kind of low to bash people that have jobs.

Where did this bashing occur? What post #?

I do not think people are being honest when they say all businesses will fail if they actually paid their employees.

Who said all businesses would fail? What post #?

 

[Pete7469]

OK, I'm sorry but when I go to a fucking drive thru and a fat tattooed clown can't even get my simple order right I'm not inclined to champion a raise for him/her/it.

 

[Indymike]

So you would rather have this guy be a brain surgeon, or perhaps your dentist. Don't worry Alan Greenspan told everybody these guys should go back to school. I don't blame successful people for not understanding why others are not successful. There are many more of "us" than you would think. And contrary to popular belief it is not because of laziness.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So you would rather have this guy be a brain surgeon, or perhaps your dentist. Don't worry Alan Greenspan told everybody these guys should go back to school. I don't blame successful people for not understanding why others are not successful. There are many more of "us" than you would think. And contrary to popular belief it is not because of laziness.

Forget how to read?
Answer a question?

 

[Indymike]

Post #2 - only kids work for minimum wage
Post#3 - In response to living wage - belief in silly things, told to join "reality" - will admit I misread comment about illegal aliens - not an attack on the poor.
Post#7 - general statement about "Driving businesses under"
All posts by Stephanie

Grand government programs increase and perpetuate most problems. I encourage people to get creative and look for doable steps that could help. Democrats have been so spectacularly bad at helping anybody or anything that now most tax payers hate the working poor. Well Done. That was not aimed at you Toddsterpatriot.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Post #2 - only kids work for minimum wage
Post#3 - In response to living wage - belief in silly things, told to join "reality" - will admit I misread comment about illegal aliens - not an attack on the poor.
Post#7 - general statement about "Driving businesses under"
All posts by Stephanie

Grand government programs increase and perpetuate most problems. I encourage people to get creative and look for doable steps that could help. Democrats have been so spectacularly bad at helping anybody or anything that now most tax payers hate the working poor. Well Done. That was not aimed at you Toddsterpatriot.

Post #2 - only kids work for minimum wage

This is bashing the poor?

Post#3 - In response to living wage - belief in silly things, told to join "reality" -

That's not bashing the poor. That's bashing your silly living wage claim.

Post#7 - general statement about "Driving businesses under"

That general statement didn't say all businesses will fail.

When you accuse people of something, especially of lying in their posts, do it in a response to their post, so they can defend themselves and better point out your errors.

 

[Publius1787]

Hey, I'm new. One of the things that confuses me the most about the Republican Party is its stance on poverty. I want to start out by saying that I am an Indiana Republican and I grew up middle class. We lived by two common rules. Work Hard, Believe in God. These two things were not a bad thing to grow up on. I had early success in school, and I got a college degree, but my OCD became increasingly worse. I am now disabled and I am well versed in poverty.

I admit that I like watching Fox News, but people like O'Reily and Hannity seem completely clueless when discussing the poor. They think that if you have two parents and a good attitude that everyone can be successful. This is both naive and quite untrue. I think the biggest misconception is that minimum wage jobs are just for teenagers. The idea of working yourself up some kind of ladder is nice, but it is not reality for millions of people. I know many adults who would be grateful for any kind of work, not just some dream job. I want to focus on the mentally ill and those who have various forms of low IQ. If you have never been before a judge for a disability hearing, then you don't know that getting help for a mental disability is nearly impossible. For every person who cheats, there is at least another person who can't get help.

I'm going to tie everything up by going to the wage debate. I firmly believe that if you work hard for 40 hours a week, then you deserve a living wage. I'm not talking raising a family on one income, I'm talking food, gas, and health care for one person. I don't believe in "bad jobs" or meaningless jobs. I think the first step is to get everyone back to 40 hours a week. It is ridiculous that people have to work three part time jobs. I also think that wages can go up without the world coming to an end. I'm sick of hearing about the 100$ cheeseburger and half of all jobs as we know it will disappear. Instead of clinging so tightly to current wages, I do not think it is too difficult for fellow Republicans to treat minimum wage earners with respect. Bye the way, It is not just Fox, I have yet to see any Republican candidate or political expert view minimum wage jobs as anything other than high school kids who don't really matter.

If you wan't more of poverty you simply need to subsidize it. Benjamin Franklin once said
“I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.” There were never truer words spoken.

So what do we see when we look at the impoverished of today? They aren't doing as well as they could but you must admit that they aren't exactly uncomfortable. Lets have a look at the list shall we?

Place to live on the taxpayer dime. Check
Food to eat on the taxpayer dime. Check
Medical Care on the taxpayer dime. Check.

Well, that's more comfort than 90% of the world.

The way I see it we have two problems when it comes to poverty. 1) People in poverty have little incentive to get out of poverty. 2) Mistakes (Like catching the sperm of random strangers you met the same night) are paid for by the tax payers. People in poverty in today's America all suffer from the same illness. "Instant gratification." Simply walk into a social services office and look at the younger generation and you will find that you are among the most poorly dressed people in the building.
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Now what of this minimum wage garbage? What is a living wage? Sure, you could pay every one at least $15 an hour. But why would I start working in plumbing, hvac, or construction for $15 an hour when I can comfortably live as a bagger at a grocery store for the same price? Well you can probably guess whats going to happen to wages when the minimum wage becomes a living one. All skilled labor jobs would necessarily need to raise their wages higher. Then there is the economic shock of it all. Initially, inferior goods are going to take the biggest hit while normal goods experience a giant price increase (not necessarily because of the increased wages but because of the limited supply and the increased demand). After all of the dust has settled you're going to find yourself back exactly where you started off, only with larger wages and the more expensive goods and services that nullify the wage increase. Not to mention all of those businesses who would be all to happy to jump the ocean (if they weren't thinking about it before), lest they take an economic hit on their exports.

How about this? If people want to make more they compete against others for those high paying jobs. Now, I'm sorry to note that not everyone is going to come out a winner in this model, but then again, life isn't fair (There's no system you can think of that will make that statement untrue). Now for those who did poorly competing against their fellow man should take it as a signal that it might not be a good idea to be breeding just at the moment he/she cannot afford a pot to piss in. If they do decide to go to the club one night and get "it turned up" only to catch the sperm of a passing thug who wanted a good time without a rubber, how about we leave it to their state and local governments to decide what they deserve for their lack of judgement? better yet, how about local tax free charities? In the system as it stands today, the federal government has zero ability to measure progress and has zero interest in those in poverty making it up the economic ladder. Quite the contrary, millions of democrat votes depend on permanent poverty. Either way we swing it, no business owes you a living wage no taxpayer owes you a living by virtue of (insert bad decision or bad luck here). To do so would be to subjugate the taxpayer to the whims of the poor and tip the balance of political power in the hands of the uneducated and promiscuous.

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Whatever the case this is certain: A single woman working a minimum wage job to feed her three children is more often than not a woman who couldn't suspend her instant gratification until she made her own way in life.

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Ponder on this for a moment. If taxation without representation is wrong then why isn't representation without taxation?

 

[BULLDOG]

Hey, I'm new. One of the things that confuses me the most about the Republican Party is its stance on poverty. I want to start out by saying that I am an Indiana Republican and I grew up middle class. We lived by two common rules. Work Hard, Believe in God. These two things were not a bad thing to grow up on. I had early success in school, and I got a college degree, but my OCD became increasingly worse. I am now disabled and I am well versed in poverty.

I admit that I like watching Fox News, but people like O'Reily and Hannity seem completely clueless when discussing the poor. They think that if you have two parents and a good attitude that everyone can be successful. This is both naive and quite untrue. I think the biggest misconception is that minimum wage jobs are just for teenagers. The idea of working yourself up some kind of ladder is nice, but it is not reality for millions of people. I know many adults who would be grateful for any kind of work, not just some dream job. I want to focus on the mentally ill and those who have various forms of low IQ. If you have never been before a judge for a disability hearing, then you don't know that getting help for a mental disability is nearly impossible. For every person who cheats, there is at least another person who can't get help.

I'm going to tie everything up by going to the wage debate. I firmly believe that if you work hard for 40 hours a week, then you deserve a living wage. I'm not talking raising a family on one income, I'm talking food, gas, and health care for one person. I don't believe in "bad jobs" or meaningless jobs. I think the first step is to get everyone back to 40 hours a week. It is ridiculous that people have to work three part time jobs. I also think that wages can go up without the world coming to an end. I'm sick of hearing about the 100$ cheeseburger and half of all jobs as we know it will disappear. Instead of clinging so tightly to current wages, I do not think it is too difficult for fellow Republicans to treat minimum wage earners with respect. Bye the way, It is not just Fox, I have yet to see any Republican candidate or political expert view minimum wage jobs as anything other than high school kids who don't really matter.

Republicans want to help those who really need help and it sounds like you do.....and it isn't a misconception that minimum wage jobs are primarily for teenagers...you are the exception in that you say you are disabled and can only hold onto a minimum wage job....

The problem comes from the government encouraging healthy people to become dependent on the lowest level of success.....and democrats do this by destroying public education, creating graduates who can't read, write or do math...and that creates people who can't support themselves or advance in life....'

You mention 40 hours a week...if democrats love 40 hours a week...why did obama care create an incentive to reduce the hours of full time workers....?

Democrats need more people in your situation, but they need healthy, capable people on the government rolls because when people can succeed...they don't need democrats....

And because the government wastes so much money...that takes money away from people who really need it...back in the 90s the number was only 26 cents out of every dollar spent for the poor actually made it to people who needed it....26 cents.....the waste, fraud and abuse burns up all the tax money meant to help the really needy....we need to fix that...and more government...the people who created this mess, will not fix it....

You were wrong when you said ".....and it isn't a misconception that minimum wage jobs are primarily for teenagers"

• The average age of affected workers is 35 years old;

• 88 percent of all affected workers are at least 20 years old;

• 35.5 percent are at least 40 years old;

• 56 percent are women;

• 28 percent have children;

• 55 percent work full-time (35 hours per week or more);

• 44 percent have at least some college experience.

Low-wage Workers Are Older Than You Think 88 Percent of Workers Who Would Benefit From a Higher Minimum Wage Are Older Than 20 One Third Are Over 40 Economic Policy Institute

 

[Publius1787]

Hey, I'm new. One of the things that confuses me the most about the Republican Party is its stance on poverty. I want to start out by saying that I am an Indiana Republican and I grew up middle class. We lived by two common rules. Work Hard, Believe in God. These two things were not a bad thing to grow up on. I had early success in school, and I got a college degree, but my OCD became increasingly worse. I am now disabled and I am well versed in poverty.

I admit that I like watching Fox News, but people like O'Reily and Hannity seem completely clueless when discussing the poor. They think that if you have two parents and a good attitude that everyone can be successful. This is both naive and quite untrue. I think the biggest misconception is that minimum wage jobs are just for teenagers. The idea of working yourself up some kind of ladder is nice, but it is not reality for millions of people. I know many adults who would be grateful for any kind of work, not just some dream job. I want to focus on the mentally ill and those who have various forms of low IQ. If you have never been before a judge for a disability hearing, then you don't know that getting help for a mental disability is nearly impossible. For every person who cheats, there is at least another person who can't get help.

I'm going to tie everything up by going to the wage debate. I firmly believe that if you work hard for 40 hours a week, then you deserve a living wage. I'm not talking raising a family on one income, I'm talking food, gas, and health care for one person. I don't believe in "bad jobs" or meaningless jobs. I think the first step is to get everyone back to 40 hours a week. It is ridiculous that people have to work three part time jobs. I also think that wages can go up without the world coming to an end. I'm sick of hearing about the 100$ cheeseburger and half of all jobs as we know it will disappear. Instead of clinging so tightly to current wages, I do not think it is too difficult for fellow Republicans to treat minimum wage earners with respect. Bye the way, It is not just Fox, I have yet to see any Republican candidate or political expert view minimum wage jobs as anything other than high school kids who don't really matter.

Republicans want to help those who really need help and it sounds like you do.....and it isn't a misconception that minimum wage jobs are primarily for teenagers...you are the exception in that you say you are disabled and can only hold onto a minimum wage job....

The problem comes from the government encouraging healthy people to become dependent on the lowest level of success.....and democrats do this by destroying public education, creating graduates who can't read, write or do math...and that creates people who can't support themselves or advance in life....'

You mention 40 hours a week...if democrats love 40 hours a week...why did obama care create an incentive to reduce the hours of full time workers....?

Democrats need more people in your situation, but they need healthy, capable people on the government rolls because when people can succeed...they don't need democrats....

And because the government wastes so much money...that takes money away from people who really need it...back in the 90s the number was only 26 cents out of every dollar spent for the poor actually made it to people who needed it....26 cents.....the waste, fraud and abuse burns up all the tax money meant to help the really needy....we need to fix that...and more government...the people who created this mess, will not fix it....

You were wrong when you said ".....and it isn't a misconception that minimum wage jobs are primarily for teenagers"

• The average age of affected workers is 35 years old;

• 88 percent of all affected workers are at least 20 years old;

• 35.5 percent are at least 40 years old;

• 56 percent are women;

• 28 percent have children;

• 55 percent work full-time (35 hours per week or more);

• 44 percent have at least some college experience.

Low-wage Workers Are Older Than You Think 88 Percent of Workers Who Would Benefit From a Higher Minimum Wage Are Older Than 20 One Third Are Over 40 Economic Policy Institute

A gross miss-characterization. No inference is given to the minimum wage worker who is not the primary bread winner in the house. Women with children often prioritize their children over work while the husband remains the primary bread winner. They therefore make minimum wage in part time work/work that accepts a flexible schedule. Second, those statistics only account for "everyone who earns between the current minimum wage and the proposed new one, as well as workers earning just above the new minimum wage" Those minimum wage workers you have in your stats are therefore not all minimum wage workers.

 

[auditor0007]

Hey, I'm new. One of the things that confuses me the most about the Republican Party is its stance on poverty. I want to start out by saying that I am an Indiana Republican and I grew up middle class. We lived by two common rules. Work Hard, Believe in God. These two things were not a bad thing to grow up on. I had early success in school, and I got a college degree, but my OCD became increasingly worse. I am now disabled and I am well versed in poverty.

I admit that I like watching Fox News, but people like O'Reily and Hannity seem completely clueless when discussing the poor. They think that if you have two parents and a good attitude that everyone can be successful. This is both naive and quite untrue. I think the biggest misconception is that minimum wage jobs are just for teenagers. The idea of working yourself up some kind of ladder is nice, but it is not reality for millions of people. I know many adults who would be grateful for any kind of work, not just some dream job. I want to focus on the mentally ill and those who have various forms of low IQ. If you have never been before a judge for a disability hearing, then you don't know that getting help for a mental disability is nearly impossible. For every person who cheats, there is at least another person who can't get help.

I'm going to tie everything up by going to the wage debate. I firmly believe that if you work hard for 40 hours a week, then you deserve a living wage. I'm not talking raising a family on one income, I'm talking food, gas, and health care for one person. I don't believe in "bad jobs" or meaningless jobs. I think the first step is to get everyone back to 40 hours a week. It is ridiculous that people have to work three part time jobs. I also think that wages can go up without the world coming to an end. I'm sick of hearing about the 100$ cheeseburger and half of all jobs as we know it will disappear. Instead of clinging so tightly to current wages, I do not think it is too difficult for fellow Republicans to treat minimum wage earners with respect. Bye the way, It is not just Fox, I have yet to see any Republican candidate or political expert view minimum wage jobs as anything other than high school kids who don't really matter.

Without a doubt, if a person works 40 hours per week, they should be able to afford a roof over their head, food on the table, and have an assurance that they will receive proper healthcare should they become sick. I don't care if their job is shoveling shit or shoveling burgers; if they do it full-time, they should be able to afford the simple basics. Republicans seem to have a real big problem with this concept and believe if you cannot better yourself through education, then you have no value to society.

 

[Publius1787]

Hey, I'm new. One of the things that confuses me the most about the Republican Party is its stance on poverty. I want to start out by saying that I am an Indiana Republican and I grew up middle class. We lived by two common rules. Work Hard, Believe in God. These two things were not a bad thing to grow up on. I had early success in school, and I got a college degree, but my OCD became increasingly worse. I am now disabled and I am well versed in poverty.

I admit that I like watching Fox News, but people like O'Reily and Hannity seem completely clueless when discussing the poor. They think that if you have two parents and a good attitude that everyone can be successful. This is both naive and quite untrue. I think the biggest misconception is that minimum wage jobs are just for teenagers. The idea of working yourself up some kind of ladder is nice, but it is not reality for millions of people. I know many adults who would be grateful for any kind of work, not just some dream job. I want to focus on the mentally ill and those who have various forms of low IQ. If you have never been before a judge for a disability hearing, then you don't know that getting help for a mental disability is nearly impossible. For every person who cheats, there is at least another person who can't get help.

I'm going to tie everything up by going to the wage debate. I firmly believe that if you work hard for 40 hours a week, then you deserve a living wage. I'm not talking raising a family on one income, I'm talking food, gas, and health care for one person. I don't believe in "bad jobs" or meaningless jobs. I think the first step is to get everyone back to 40 hours a week. It is ridiculous that people have to work three part time jobs. I also think that wages can go up without the world coming to an end. I'm sick of hearing about the 100$ cheeseburger and half of all jobs as we know it will disappear. Instead of clinging so tightly to current wages, I do not think it is too difficult for fellow Republicans to treat minimum wage earners with respect. Bye the way, It is not just Fox, I have yet to see any Republican candidate or political expert view minimum wage jobs as anything other than high school kids who don't really matter.

Without a doubt, if a person works 40 hours per week, they should be able to afford a roof over their head, food on the table, and have an assurance that they will receive proper healthcare should they become sick. I don't care if their job is shoveling shit or shoveling burgers; if they do it full-time, they should be able to afford the simple basics. Republicans seem to have a real big problem with this concept and believe if you cannot better yourself through education, then you have no value to society.

No one owes you anything by no other virtue than the fact you exist. Seems like an entitlement mentality problem to me. The quality and productivity of your work matters. The market sets this standard. If you aren't able to make a living then you should take it as a signal that something is screwed up and pursue advancement via another avenue.

The only thing owes to you is due process and equal treatment under the law. Aside for that i don't care if yo can't feed yourself and that's my right.

 

[OKTexas]

I did not intend to hit such a nerve. I never once advocated welfare. I'm talking about people who are working. I honestly did not expect people to be bashing people that are indeed working. It is kind of low to bash people that have jobs. This is kind of the point I was trying to make. I'm not saying everyone should make 100$ an hour. I do not think people are being honest when they say all businesses will fail if they actually paid their employees. I'm not trying to paint republicans with a wide brush of they don't care about the poor, but in this one instance I really don't think they get it.

I honestly don't think you get it either. Wages are not the only component of business expenses that are tied to a particular wage. If you double the wage you also double the employers cost on payroll taxes and worker compensation insurance. Then you have the suppliers to the business having to raise their wages which at least a portion, if not all, would be passed on. How do you expect a business to absorb these additional costs and not raise prices? Businesses are built on models, you start randomly screwing with major components of the model and you could easily put them out of business.

You're already seeing stores going to automated checkouts and restaurants going to automated ordering. These machines replace people and the only people who make out are the folks that sell and service those machines and they don't make the minimum wage.

 

[BluesLegend]

Hey, I'm new. One of the things that confuses me the most about the Republican Party is its stance on poverty. I want to start out by saying that I am an Indiana Republican and I grew up middle class. We lived by two common rules. Work Hard, Believe in God. These two things were not a bad thing to grow up on. I had early success in school, and I got a college degree, but my OCD became increasingly worse. I am now disabled and I am well versed in poverty.

I admit that I like watching Fox News, but people like O'Reily and Hannity seem completely clueless when discussing the poor. They think that if you have two parents and a good attitude that everyone can be successful. This is both naive and quite untrue. I think the biggest misconception is that minimum wage jobs are just for teenagers. The idea of working yourself up some kind of ladder is nice, but it is not reality for millions of people. I know many adults who would be grateful for any kind of work, not just some dream job. I want to focus on the mentally ill and those who have various forms of low IQ. If you have never been before a judge for a disability hearing, then you don't know that getting help for a mental disability is nearly impossible. For every person who cheats, there is at least another person who can't get help.

I'm going to tie everything up by going to the wage debate. I firmly believe that if you work hard for 40 hours a week, then you deserve a living wage. I'm not talking raising a family on one income, I'm talking food, gas, and health care for one person. I don't believe in "bad jobs" or meaningless jobs. I think the first step is to get everyone back to 40 hours a week. It is ridiculous that people have to work three part time jobs. I also think that wages can go up without the world coming to an end. I'm sick of hearing about the 100$ cheeseburger and half of all jobs as we know it will disappear. Instead of clinging so tightly to current wages, I do not think it is too difficult for fellow Republicans to treat minimum wage earners with respect. Bye the way, It is not just Fox, I have yet to see any Republican candidate or political expert view minimum wage jobs as anything other than high school kids who don't really matter.

Without a doubt, if a person works 40 hours per week, they should be able to afford a roof over their head, food on the table, and have an assurance that they will receive proper healthcare should they become sick. I don't care if their job is shoveling shit or shoveling burgers; if they do it full-time, they should be able to afford the simple basics. Republicans seem to have a real big problem with this concept and believe if you cannot better yourself through education, then you have no value to society.

No, we are just saying what you propose is insane and disconnected from reality. Its your typical half assed feel good liberal thinking that conveniently fails to understand the ramifications of such a pie in the sky system.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Aside for that i don't care if yo can't feed yourself and that's my right.

Yes, you do have a right to adopt a selfish puerile attitude towards your fellow Americans and they in turn can shun you for what you are. What you don't have is a right to impose your selfish greed agenda on your fellow Americans.

 

[Theowl32]

I did not intend to hit such a nerve. I never once advocated welfare. I'm talking about people who are working. I honestly did not expect people to be bashing people that are indeed working. It is kind of low to bash people that have jobs. This is kind of the point I was trying to make. I'm not saying everyone should make 100$ an hour. I do not think people are being honest when they say all businesses will fail if they actually paid their employees. I'm not trying to paint republicans with a wide brush of they don't care about the poor, but in this one instance I really don't think they get it.

Life is unfair man. That is it. Life today is more fair than perhaps at any time in history. What system do you advocate where everything is fair for everyone. Tell us all about it.

Are you saying that in this utopia there is NO rich people, NO poor people, just people living in harmony in the forest under a tree?

I have no idea what it is you all want. Everyone as of right now have choices. That is about the only way you can achieve the fairest conditions. Some people's roads are harder. Regardless of how much harder some have it than others, they still have choices.

There are more than enough people who have had disadvantages and have made it. There is a long list of people working their way out of the ghetto.

There is more than one reason why mass numbers of people are desperately trying to get here as opposed to the other way around. You think it is so much better in Denmark or Canada. Well, why aren't mass numbers of people moving there?

Go ahead, answer that.

 

[JoeMoma]

Why pick on republicans? Hillary Clinton gets 100k for a speaking engagement and Barry Hussein is still president.

That's when she is feeling charitable and gives a discount.

 

[Theowl32]

I wonder why liberals only want $15/hr.

He is a question for liberal morons who do not know the democrats use this issue (like they do with every issue) to seduce you into thinking they are robin hoods and buying large blocks of voters.

Here is the question.

Why don't you ask the minimum wage to be $50/hr? Go ahead, why don't you push for that? Give us the reasons why you do not ask for that.

 

[Stephanie]

The same people who shout that one doesn't need a college education are the same ones who believe a person can survive on $15 an hour. They are for cutting and gutting education as they know American companies need a low wage work force so the company can make their profits with nobody asking "how about a raise". They stick their trust that corporate America is such a wonderful place.... when in reality.... Its all about getting a degree in a needed field... and holding that over your employers head. Make them believe you will get up and leave at any time. They will come around. A good worker does NOT in any way shape or form need to be loyal to his/her employee. No 2 weekis notice. Nothing. Find a better job at all times and walk away whenever you want. There are ways to get ahead of the crookedness of corporate America. One must always remember that a company does not like even their best employees and one must FORCE them to get ahead. This can be done with a college degree.

nice talking point you have down pat. why don't you adopt someone (you don't Know) and pay for the college education? then you can be taken seriously

 

[Stephanie]

Those are high school jobs because only kids would work for that. I totally agree that conservatives make a mistake in thinking that the best way to attack the welfare state is to appear unsympathetic to the poor. On the other hand, there are lots of people who need a shove to begin looking for work and be self sufficient. Honestly, welfare is a waste of money and only exist to satisfy our guilty conscience.

Its called tough love, the poor need to pull their heads out of their ass and come to grips with the fact that liberals and many democrats are lying lowlife scum that frequently throw them under the bus.

It's too late. They've been told they can't make it in life by the Democrat party, so that's why they should vote for them. they will give A FREE life from cradle to grave in their utopia they are planning