Republicans have no health care plan

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Medicare is a cost controller, not a cost driver.

No, it isn't. It simply drives up the costs for everyone not on Medicare. A growing number of doctors won't even take Medicare patients or limit the number they will accept.

 

[Lesh]

Death Camps

Death panels, man, Death Panels. Geez, get it right!

Yea..here we are 8 years later and no death panels

 

[Lesh]

The VA is in fact socialized care. It's terrible. Everyone knows this. Or should....

Yea...except every Vet I ever talked to that used the VA

No, I have no health insurance, because in 2006, before Obama screwed it up, I could get a $67/month health insurance policy, that covered doctors visits, and prescriptions, and had a $2,000 deductible, with a million dollar cap.

Sure ya could. And you had unicorns living in your attic too

 

[Lesh]

Medicare is a cost controller, not a cost driver.

No, it isn't. It simply drives up the costs for everyone not on Medicare. A growing number of doctors won't even take Medicare patients or limit the number they will accept.

You would think if that were true that insurers would shy away from it...but they don't

Analysis: The 'Big 5' Insurers Are Increasingly Dependent on Medicare and Medicaid for Revenue

 

[Hutch Starskey]

If I were the Democrats, I'd be lighting a candle in a church somewhere to thank God for Trump's and the GOP's hoaxing.

I'd be smiling down on the Rube Herd so willfully going along with the hoax.

They just make it that much easier to achieve single payer.

It's almost as if Trump were hoaxing the pseudocon rubes to help the Democrats achieve their long term goals...

I'm already hearing about plans for Medicare X...essentially putting a properly priced Medicare plan on the Exchanges for anyone to buy,

If the court case strikes down the ACA...that's where we are going.

and medicare has been, and is the brunt of RW rage - now they get to be socialists by their own design !

oooooooooooooh the irony -

Yeah, because it drives up health care costs. You people keep complaining about how much health care costs, and then pointing to the very cause of the problem, and saying you want more of it.

You are not thinking logically. We're pointing to the facts.

Medicare is a cost controller, not a cost driver.

No, it is not. It is a cost-shifter.....

Medicare, and Medicaid both, pay less than the cost of care. This requires that health providers shift the cost of gov-patients, to private-patients. This is a well documented fact.

When you say medicare is a cost-controller, that shows a massive lack of fundamental economics. Costs are not just "controlled". What a ridiculous left-wing concept. You control costs by reducing something else. Either the quality of the care, through wait-lists, or by reducing the level of care you give, like France who doesn't have access to almost 1/4 of the medical drugs that we do.

In a private system, the method of 'controlling costs' is by shifting the cost of money-losing patients of the government, to money-making patients of insurance companies.

When you look at a medical bill, and whine about the cost.... you are looking at the cost of not only paying for your own treatment, but the treatment of the government-patients you had to pay for.

Medicare and Medicaid do not control costs. They are in fact, more expensive than any other system, it just show up on your bill as a private patient.

Simply not true in any way.
Healthcare providers don't raise rates because of medicare/medicade.
They account for the low reimbursement by having a mix of patients with a variety of payers. That's called the payer mix. That's why providers are either open or closed to mew medicare patients.

Medicare costs have been and are projected to grow at a slower rate than private insurers through 2025.

Medicare remains more efficient than private insurance | JustCare

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Medicare is a cost controller, not a cost driver.

No, it isn't. It simply drives up the costs for everyone not on Medicare. A growing number of doctors won't even take Medicare patients or limit the number they will accept.

You would think if that were true that insurers would shy away from it...but they don't

Analysis: The 'Big 5' Insurers Are Increasingly Dependent on Medicare and Medicaid for Revenue

Medicare advantage plans are all the rage now.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Medicare is a cost controller, not a cost driver.

No, it isn't. It simply drives up the costs for everyone not on Medicare. A growing number of doctors won't even take Medicare patients or limit the number they will accept.

Not true.

 

[Lesh]

Medicare is a cost controller, not a cost driver.

No, it isn't. It simply drives up the costs for everyone not on Medicare. A growing number of doctors won't even take Medicare patients or limit the number they will accept.

You would think if that were true that insurers would shy away from it...but they don't

Analysis: The 'Big 5' Insurers Are Increasingly Dependent on Medicare and Medicaid for Revenue

Medicare advantage plans are all the rage now.

The link above isn't even about Medicare Advantage. It's about Medicare and Medicaid overall.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Medicare is a cost controller, not a cost driver.

No, it isn't. It simply drives up the costs for everyone not on Medicare. A growing number of doctors won't even take Medicare patients or limit the number they will accept.

You would think if that were true that insurers would shy away from it...but they don't

Analysis: The 'Big 5' Insurers Are Increasingly Dependent on Medicare and Medicaid for Revenue

Medicare advantage plans are all the rage now.

The link above isn't even about Medicare Advantage. It's about Medicare and Medicaid overall.

I know. I was just expanding your point by sharing another revenue stream medicare provides private payers.

 

[Dana7360]

The Washington Post reports that the Republican Party has no health care plan.
"Not only is there no such health-care overhaul in the works on Capitol Hill — there are no plans to make such a plan, and most Republicans hope the president will drop the idea of trying to come up with a replacement for the Affordable Care Act."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...005bd0-5264-11e9-8d28-f5149e5a2fda_story.html

We don't need a health care plan other than getting the government the hell out of it and doing away with the crooked insurance companies too. Let the free market regulate healthcare. At least we know that always works. KISS (keep it simple stupid)

No that doesn't work. It leaves millions of people uninsured with thousands dying every year.

We had that before the ACA.

Insurance companies were able to deny people coverage, kick them off their plan and pretty much charge whatever they wanted to.

Over 45 million people died each year before the ACA because the "market" was allowed to regulate health insurance. Which allowed insurance companies to classify people at "preexisting" condition and not cover them. Or if they were offered a policy the premiums were way too expensive and usually excluded the health condition the person has already. Or had in the past.

The "market" doesn't solve this problem or many other problems. Just saying the market is the solution to everything is a big cop out to do nothing.

There is no "market" with health insurance. It's a monopoly and legally allowed by the reforms and deregulation of ronald reagan in the 80s. They're exempted from anti trust laws so a handful of companies have a monopoly on heath insurance in America.

 

[jasonnfree]

Republican health care is an oxymoron. Republican and any kind of care is, unless it's taking care of the oligarchy with huge tax breaks.

 

[Andylusion]

The VA is in fact socialized care. It's terrible. Everyone knows this. Or should....

Yea...except every Vet I ever talked to that used the VA

No, I have no health insurance, because in 2006, before Obama screwed it up, I could get a $67/month health insurance policy, that covered doctors visits, and prescriptions, and had a $2,000 deductible, with a million dollar cap.

Sure ya could. And you had unicorns living in your attic too

Except every Vet I've talked to, that has used the VA.

Everything I said is the absolute truth. You can mock it, but you can't contradict it.

 

[Penelope]

While we are at it, charitable deductions should not be a deduction.

Agreed. Taxation shouldn't be used as a tool to manipulate society.

The problem with a charitable deductions is you get to give to who you want, and that is not fair. I would do away with all loopholes and put some more savvy IRS agents to audit more taxpayers and those who do not pay taxes.

Yes taxes are a tool.

If you want to give to a charity, give after taxes.

 

[debbiedowner]

Trump is attempting, once again, to hold the American public hostage, by declaring that there will be no GOP health care plan UNLESS HE IS REELECTED. This is about as low as he can possibly get. Why 100% of the voting public is not totally disgusted with this man is beyond me.

His base will buy it.

 

[hunarcy]

The Washington Post reports that the Republican Party has no health care plan.

That's a relief, if it's true. Every time I hear this horseshit that the Republicans are responsible for "replacing" ACA (presumably with some other bullshit, big-government "solution") it makes me cringe. If Republicans don't have the will to repeal ACA outright, the last thing I want them doing is replacing it.

The Republicans aren't going to replace O'care IMHO.

Obama's big mistake with the ACA was insisting on a single party, ultra partisan healthcare plan. A lot like Hitler's plan in the 1930's, which passed solely on National Socialist Party votes in the Reichstag.

The result was that the GOP and Independents had no actual ownership of the program, no reason to try and make it a success. All they really want to do is to get rid of it.

When Johnson instituted Medicare- he worked to get bipartisan support, and that gave the GOP a stake in trying to make sure it worked.

If President Trump get Tremendous Health Care to replace the ACA failure, it will be done on a bipartisan basis or not at all

Really, now you have to vote Trump in 2020 to know his plan and it will not be done bipartisan. Look for more cuts in Medicare and Medicaid if you vote this fool in again. He will deliver no plan. The republicans have no plan, only the Democrats with the brains have a plan and the ACA is and was amazing. If the GOP had thought of it, which they didn't, they would be praising it.

My gosh, don't you remember that you had to vote for the ACA so it'd be law and then find out what was in it? Why do you insist on a standard with Trump that you didn't follow?

 

[debbiedowner]

The Washington Post reports that the Republican Party has no health care plan.
"Not only is there no such health-care overhaul in the works on Capitol Hill — there are no plans to make such a plan, and most Republicans hope the president will drop the idea of trying to come up with a replacement for the Affordable Care Act."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...005bd0-5264-11e9-8d28-f5149e5a2fda_story.html

It's true. The Republicans have no plan, because the only good plan would be to simply repeal the entire system, and go back to free-market system. While that would result in the best possible care for the most possible people, without corporate welfare across the economy.... it would also result in the Republicans being voted out of office.

Republicans are politicians first, and protectors of the country second.... which is only different than Democrats in that Democrats don't care at all about the country, as long as they have power.

So they are not going to come up with a health care plan.

LOL...Derp.

The Dems already came up with and enacted healthcare. The Repubs, if they were smart, would build on what is already existing rather than trying to destroy it. Like it or not, a lot of people use it, like it, depend on it.

Yeah, we know they did. That's why everyone is worse off today. I have no health insurance right now, specifically because of the Democrats.

If they were smart, they wouldn't have harmed everyone to begin with.

LOL.....

You have no health insurance because of you.

No, I have no health insurance, because in 2006, before Obama screwed it up, I could get a $67/month health insurance policy, that covered doctors visits, and prescriptions, and had a $2,000 deductible, with a million dollar cap.

By 2014, the cheapest policy was $300/month, with a $7,000 deductible, and today the policies are worse.

It is now better for me to not have insurance, and then just get insurance when I get sick, since the insurance companies can't deny me for pre-existing conditions.

Granted, this is why premiums have more than doubled, and deductibles have quadrupled, but that's the system the idiotic democraps setup.

LOL......

This post is a lie the max deductible in 2014 was 6350 and you cannot buy insurance when you get sick unless it's during open enrollment.

 

[debbiedowner]

The VA is in fact socialized care. It's terrible. Everyone knows this. Or should....

Yea...except every Vet I ever talked to that used the VA

No, I have no health insurance, because in 2006, before Obama screwed it up, I could get a $67/month health insurance policy, that covered doctors visits, and prescriptions, and had a $2,000 deductible, with a million dollar cap.

Sure ya could. And you had unicorns living in your attic too

Except every Vet I've talked to, that has used the VA.

Everything I said is the absolute truth. You can mock it, but you can't contradict it.

So you post this shit without a link to the full story.

 

[Astrostar]

The Washington Post reports that the Republican Party has no health care plan.
"Not only is there no such health-care overhaul in the works on Capitol Hill — there are no plans to make such a plan, and most Republicans hope the president will drop the idea of trying to come up with a replacement for the Affordable Care Act."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...005bd0-5264-11e9-8d28-f5149e5a2fda_story.html

As Progressives, we owe President Trump a basket full of thanks for resurrecting the one issue that cost him the House in 2018 and will cost him the Presidency and Senate in 2020. He and most Repubs are against Americans having healthcare. They view (incorrectly) Obamacare aficionados as mostly Democrats, since Republicans are usually wealthy and have no need for Obamacare. And, many Trump fans, mental Einsteins, will tell you they don't have Obamacare, but rather The Affordable Care Act.

Well, health care is a losing proposition for Trump & company. While he now tries to run and hide, us Progressives will keep it on the front burner and laugh at Trump's big time losses in 2020.

Sorry Trump. After running your big mouth last week on health care, too late to turn back now! BIGLY!!

 

[Dick Foster]

If I were the Democrats, I'd be lighting a candle in a church somewhere to thank God for Trump's and the GOP's hoaxing.

I'd be smiling down on the Rube Herd so willfully going along with the hoax.

They just make it that much easier to achieve single payer.

It's almost as if Trump were hoaxing the pseudocon rubes to help the Democrats achieve their long term goals...

I'm already hearing about plans for Medicare X...essentially putting a properly priced Medicare plan on the Exchanges for anyone to buy,

If the court case strikes down the ACA...that's where we are going.

and medicare has been, and is the brunt of RW rage - now they get to be socialists by their own design !

oooooooooooooh the irony -

Yeah, because it drives up health care costs. You people keep complaining about how much health care costs, and then pointing to the very cause of the problem, and saying you want more of it.

You are not thinking logically. We're pointing to the facts.

Medicare is a cost controller, not a cost driver.

Apparently you're not very bright and have no understanding of cause and effect. Unfortunately you have lots of company. It's helpful to sit down and try to name just one thing government has done that it didn't screw up. Then ask yourself if you really want to put your life in the hands of a beauricrat that pays no penalty when they screw up.

 

[Andylusion]

It's true. The Republicans have no plan, because the only good plan would be to simply repeal the entire system, and go back to free-market system. While that would result in the best possible care for the most possible people, without corporate welfare across the economy.... it would also result in the Republicans being voted out of office.

Republicans are politicians first, and protectors of the country second.... which is only different than Democrats in that Democrats don't care at all about the country, as long as they have power.

So they are not going to come up with a health care plan.

LOL...Derp.

The Dems already came up with and enacted healthcare. The Repubs, if they were smart, would build on what is already existing rather than trying to destroy it. Like it or not, a lot of people use it, like it, depend on it.

Yeah, we know they did. That's why everyone is worse off today. I have no health insurance right now, specifically because of the Democrats.

If they were smart, they wouldn't have harmed everyone to begin with.

LOL.....

You have no health insurance because of you.

No, I have no health insurance, because in 2006, before Obama screwed it up, I could get a $67/month health insurance policy, that covered doctors visits, and prescriptions, and had a $2,000 deductible, with a million dollar cap.

By 2014, the cheapest policy was $300/month, with a $7,000 deductible, and today the policies are worse.

It is now better for me to not have insurance, and then just get insurance when I get sick, since the insurance companies can't deny me for pre-existing conditions.

Granted, this is why premiums have more than doubled, and deductibles have quadrupled, but that's the system the idiotic democraps setup.

LOL......

This post is a lie the max deductible in 2014 was 6350 and you cannot buy insurance when you get sick unless it's during open enrollment.

Yes, I'm aware of this. And that is what I plan to do.

Remember the hospital cannot deny me care by law. So all I have to do, is get whatever care I can from the hospital, until open enrollment, and then I'll enroll. Simple as that.