Republicans Own Detroit Bankruptcy

[TemplarKormac]

The USA will come back under Dems. Voodoo and pandering to the rich has been a disaster for 30-40 years...

Mark this event folks. He didn't say the word "dupes." Jump for joy my friends, he went one whole sentence without saying it.

 

[bayoubill]

The USA will come back under Dems. Voodoo and pandering to the rich has been a disaster for 30-40 years...

Absolutely...!

I pine for the good old days when Jimmy Carter was president and everything was perfect...

 

[TemplarKormac]

So? Michigan has a Republican governor and a Republican state legislature. This is happening on their watch.

You don't want to accept that? You should have thought of that when you doing everything you could to put the blame for the US recession on the Democrats taking Congress in 2006.

This is your own argument come back to bite you in your fat ass.

Oh boy, another liberal meltdown. What could Bush do for Liberals constantly standing in his way? What you fail to recognize is that Bush saw the housing crisis coming and introduced legislation to create a committee to reign Fannie and Freddie in. Democrats rejected it. Some of the main figures and obstructs to this were none other than Hillary, Barney Frank, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Barack Obama; among other liberals. There was a Democratic Governor (I believe her name was Jennifer Granholm) in Michigan from 2003 to 2011. It takes a while to undo the damage. Tell me where I've heard this line before.

As compared to New York, Michigan is only $77 billion in debt. Detroit's debt was literally 1/8th of the state's entire debt total. So, what does that have to do with anything? If a colossal failure happens, by default you blame it on the other side. Detroit had 51 years to change it's ways. You sat there ignoring reality. Oh yeah, it's gonna hit you New Yorkers harder than it hit Detroit.

Tell Andrew Cuomo and Mayor Blooming idiot hello for me. Your argument is nothing but a tantrum. Come at me bro!

I always get a good laugh when retards blame members of the minority party for the failure of the majority party to pass legislation which could have prevented the financial meltdown.

Here, on planet Earth, Republicans had no less than 3 bills that could have achieved that.

S.1508 (2003)
S.190 (2005)
H.R.1461 (2005)

All 3 died in the Republican-led Senate and not one was held up with a filibuster.

Sorry. Not going to pull that crap on me. During the 107th Congress, the Senate switched majorities three times before the end of the term in 2003. It held a Democratic majority in 2003. The House remained Republican throughout. No wonder the 2003 bill died. It died in a Democratically held Senate!

In the 108th Congress, which ended in 2005, the Senate was held by Republicans, but only by a 51-49 margin. This means that the threat of a filibuster was always constant. Republicans did not have a filibuster proof majority in the senate. That explains why the two 2005 bills died.

S.190 was introduced in 2007 as S.1100, which again died in a Democratically held Senate during the 110th Congress. HR 1461 passed the house by a 331 to 90 margin in October of 2005 during the 109th Congress. The bill was referred to committee, and never touched again by the Senate. If anything, this is the only bill that could be passed off as the one Republicans let get away. So, again if anything Democrats had key roles in preventing legislation from passing, twice.

I know you worked hard to try and pin me with that one, but it was a futile effort. I love when people like you try to pin everything on the majority party, without first considering the political atmosphere in which the bills were introduced.

Have a seat.

 

[Claudette]

Its simple really.

The Dems have controlled the Govt in Detroit for fifty years.

Who should get the blame for the bankrupcy??

Why the Dems of course. If it had been the Reps then they would get the blame.

Common Sense 101.

 

[mudwhistle]

Snyder and the Michigan GOP cut hundreds of millions of Detroit aid, then put a GOP Wall St bankruptcy lawyer in as emergency city manager- money to be made screwing their teachers, police, and firemen...Just getting health care for them from O-care would save enough...

So you think that spending cuts is what caused the bankruptcy?

Now you might just understand why hardly anyone on this forum takes you seriously.

 

[RKMBrown]

What Detroit needs is a demon to blame, like the Jews circa 1933. - an artificial monster to expunge so that the motor city can go through moral renewal followed by a triumphal rebuilding upon a sound foundation.

Detroit needs a demagogue to lead the people out of the desert.

But it starts with us, here, taking a problem as deep as the fall of a great nation - to which this little speed bump no doubt portends - and retro-fitting it to our preferred talking points.

For the Republicans, the demon is liberalism, as it is expressed in everything from the bloated pension system to the anti-family values found in everything from welfare laziness to black crime . . . all of it eroding the tax base like a cloud of locusts.

For Liberals, that demon is neoliberal austerity as it is expressed in everything from the war on middle class labor to the hijacking and looting of government by large corporations.

But none of this changes the fact that Detroit has been dying for 40 years. It is the symbol of the final and ultimate death of American manufacturing and the American middle class - something built upon cheap oil like no other social construct in history. (The cheap oil is gone).

Detroit's death represents a very conscious decision in the 80s to shift from a nation of production to a nation of consumption and Wall Street gambling. We sent the jobs to China, and then we financialized the economy, separating ourselves into those who loaned the profits from inflated assets to the "other half" at 30% so the Great unwashed could keep the ship afloat with Visa, MasterCard and American Express. Indeed, the American middle class left its factory jobs and headed straight for the shopping mall. For 30 years the economy has been levitating on the fumes of the greatest bubble of all time - middle class debt, represented by the sad accumulation of patio furniture, flat screen TVs and a whole universe of suburban excrement.

We are finally bumping into our borrowed-against future. Detroit is not a random anomaly. It is the another stop on the long decline of a once great nation.

Oil is still cheap. Look up inflation. We still manufacture. Our problem is our socialist authoritarian government that refuses to adhere to the constitution. That and the dregs of our society that are paid to sit on their asses. Hell we live in a country where people live to eighty but only work thirty years before retirement, do the math.

 

[Synthaholic]

It was 10T when he took office, its 17T today. he has added 7T to the national debt. In the next 3 years he will add another 3T or more. He is piling massive debt on YOUR KIDS AND GRANDKIDS, and you just grin and continue to worship him, amazing!

Who has the control of the money in Washington, dumbass? the House or the President?

Answer that, moron.

I will answer that question since you don't have a clue how our government works. All MONEY bills come out of the House but the Senate, you know the Congressional branch that is controlled by the democrats. must concur and if they do the president must either agree to or veto. So in the final say its the democrats 100%.

So where do you get that Obama is raising the debt?

 

[Synthaholic]

Two years into Obama's presidency, Right-wingers were saying it was now Obama's economy.

This means that two years into Rick Snyder's governorship, it is now his bankruptcy of Detroit.

The difference? Republican Rick Snyder has had a complete Republican majority in the State House and Senate, with no one to obstruct a thing.

Detroit is a "LIBERAL" adventure. What the hell are you talking about!

What are you going to say the KKK wasn't created by the DEMS too?

DEMS, just think COMMUNISTS! ... That is their claim. ( Stupid, EVIL, Reckless, Useless, DREAMERS, what to be's)

But in the republican party the dems have taken over too, we call those NEO CONS. ( Stupid, EVIL, Reckless, Useless, DREAMERS, what to be's)


Do you understand the Hegelian Dialectic...?


Really, I'm out of the game, the tricks are deep and just getting started. You with Children better wake up or your kids are in heavy Slavery under UN AGENDA 21.

but no matter to me...but I have family too...so it does matter to me.

I say Chains for no one, but the public says chains for everyone by the people holding the cuffs. NM

Agenda 21 is a non-binding, voluntarily implemented action plan of the United Nations with regard to sustainable development.[1]


Yes. Fear the non-binding, voluntary plan!


.

 

[Stephanie]

good grief, synthia and driveby both idiot trolls..

 

[Synthaholic]

because they suck, won't create jobs, and will create more debt.

But he was elected President, twice, in landslides.

landslides?

when all else fails, up your drip dude...

2008

Obama: 365
McCain: 173


2012

Obama: 332
Romney: 206


Yup - landslides.

You should know better by now than to challenge me on facts, sport.

 

[GHook93]

Two years into Obama's presidency, Right-wingers were saying it was now Obama's economy.

This means that two years into Rick Snyder's governorship, it is now his bankruptcy of Detroit.

The difference? Republican Rick Snyder has had a complete Republican majority in the State House and Senate, with no one to obstruct a thing.

Who has run Detriot for the last 50-60 years? The governor and legislature have been ENTIRELY Demcratic. Nice try though!

But you are right on one thing, Republicans will be responsible for Detriots eventual recovery! They will own that!

 

[Synthaholic]

Absolute rubbish... his programs, policies, etc were all there for him to do.. and as you can see by Obamalamacare, it got thru the DEM congress.. it has been his economy since he first started all this.. period.. the fucker has to reap what he has sown

The House won't even let Obama's Jobs bill come up for a vote.

Can you explain why?

and the senate won't bring up the budgets the house has passed......

Can you explain why?

You're asking a new question but can't answer my question?

This is called deflection. Or pathetic deflection. Your choice.

 

[Redfish]

But he was elected President, twice, in landslides.

landslides?

when all else fails, up your drip dude...

2008

Obama: 365
McCain: 173


2012

Obama: 332
Romney: 206


Yup - landslides.

You should know better by now than to challenge me on facts, sport.

do you have access to the popular vote? if so, please post those numbers. neither election was a landslide, 2 or 3 states skewed the EC numbers. If CA, OH, PA and NY were not winner take all the result might have been different.

 

[drivebymedia]

Two years into Obama's presidency, Right-wingers were saying it was now Obama's economy.

This means that two years into Rick Snyder's governorship, it is now his bankruptcy of Detroit.

The difference? Republican Rick Snyder has had a complete Republican majority in the State House and Senate, with no one to obstruct a thing.

Snyder has fixed the economy in 3 years?

OMG, impeach him!

 

[drivebymedia]

Yeah, thank God republicans voted to keep Coleman Young as the head ****** in charge for all those years.

Bush was Republicans' head ****** for 8 long, brutal years!

 

[Synthaholic]

No he wasn't... he was elected by a 95% vote by the uninformed blacks who thought they would get more free stuff. And what did they get... 16.7 unemployment and a city no one but them wants to live in.

^^^^Racist asshole.

Since when are facts racist?

Since when does intelligence, knowledge or any other factor determine the legitimacy of a vote?

It doesn't. Plenty of stupid people voted for George Bush because they wanted to have a beer with him. Their votes counted, too.

 

[Synthaholic]

Two years into Obama's presidency, Right-wingers were saying it was now Obama's economy.

This means that two years into Rick Snyder's governorship, it is now his bankruptcy of Detroit.

The difference? Republican Rick Snyder has had a complete Republican majority in the State House and Senate, with no one to obstruct a thing.

That is an amazing conclusion.

Thank you!

 

[Synthaholic]

Detroit's death represents a very conscious decision in the 80s to shift from a nation of production to a nation of consumption and Wall Street gambling. We sent the jobs to China, and then we financialized the economy, separating ourselves into those who loaned the profits from inflated assets to the "other half" at 30% so the Great unwashed could keep the ship afloat with Visa, MasterCard and American Express. Indeed, the American middle class left its factory jobs and headed straight for the shopping mall. For 30 years the economy has been levitating on the fumes of the greatest bubble of all time - middle class debt, represented by the sad accumulation of patio furniture, flat screen TVs and a whole universe of suburban excrement.

We are finally bumping into our borrowed-against future. Detroit is not a random anomaly. It is the another stop on the long decline of a once great nation.

 

[Synthaholic]

Two years into Obama's presidency, Right-wingers were saying it was now Obama's economy.

This means that two years into Rick Snyder's governorship, it is now his bankruptcy of Detroit.

The difference? Republican Rick Snyder has had a complete Republican majority in the State House and Senate, with no one to obstruct a thing.

as I recall from my philosophy class more'n 40 years ago...

this is what they call a non sequitur...

which is a fancy way of saying you're talking outta your ass, Synth...

Are you also saying that conservatives were talking out their asses by saying it was Obama's Economy 2 years into his term?

Consistency, please.

 

[peach174]

Who has the control of the money in Washington, dumbass? the House or the President?

Answer that, moron.

I will answer that question since you don't have a clue how our government works. All MONEY bills come out of the House but the Senate, you know the Congressional branch that is controlled by the democrats. must concur and if they do the president must either agree to or veto. So in the final say its the democrats 100%.

So where do you get that Obama is raising the debt?

For the same reason that you blame Bush for the debt, their unfunded policies.
Unfunded Health Care under Bush 65 trillion.
New Health Care bill under Obama brings it up to 82 trillion.