NotfooledbyW
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NFBW: Why do you support the government being involved in a woman’s health decision then?Currently, there is no need for an abortion within the US as a birth control measure.
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NFBW: Why do you support the government being involved in a woman’s health decision then?Currently, there is no need for an abortion within the US as a birth control measure.
Birth control pills are safe and effective.GREAT - end abortion by making sure every fertile female have them when they need them.and all are safe to use.
I'm not and that is why SCOTUS should never have made Roe v Wade a law.NFBW: Why do you support the government being involved in a woman’s health decision then?
Are you confused? The reason for Roe v Wade was to prevent state governments from making woman’s health decisions for them.I'm not and that is why SCOTUS should never have made Roe v Wade a law.
So you'd rather have the federal government make those decisions. You really are obtuse.Are you confused? The reason for Roe v Wade was to prevent state governments from making woman’s health decisions for them.
If you don't see the complete disconnect between your 2 statements: "I oppose abortion after my second kid" and "what they do with their health and their bodies" (which factually is incorrect in the most obvious way -the growing life is NOT the woman's life) there is little motivation for me to further respond. Spinning wheels and the like.Go for it. I have stated that I oppose abortion and after my second kid - I got snipped because as a man I thought I should take responsibility and not put the burden in my wife. But for all the woman out there unrelated to me in any way - what they do with their health and their bodies is not my business nor is it the business of any church or state.
But I will love to see the day when woman won’t need to ever have to decide to terminate an unwanted pregnancy ever again . . , but it’s not here yet. Until such time get your nose and state officials creepy laws out of every fertile woman’s uterus. It’s none of your business.
You make no sense as you run away. How do get clarification on what you just posted. I See no disconnect other than you may have misread the post you were responding to.there is little motivation for me to further respond
(which factually is incorrect in the most obvious way -the growing life is NOT the woman's life)
Seems like from reality on the planet Earth where the science of Biology is a widely known thing.NFBW: Where do you get your facts?
NFBW: I say what I think. I do not imply things. I think the majority of US Senate Republicans are dazed and confused by what Graham is trying to do.Added note: If you are trying to imply that a majority of Republic cans and conservatives back Graham’s leadership at this late date (his expiration date is up) you couldn’t be more wrong.
“the growing life is NOT the woman's life”science of Biology
Yes, the young human being - who is the offspring of the mother - is not the mother.“the growing life is NOT the woman's life”
NFBW; ClaireH says her expression, “the growing life is NOT the woman's life” is factual.
Yes, the young human being - who is the offspring of the mother - is not the mothe
NFBW: No. You are embarrassingly confused Blaster .So you'd rather have the federal government make those decisions.
NFBW: That is not what ClaireH was saying.
Stop projecting.What forces you to lie so easily?
There is no distinction to be had here, you consummate buffoon.The growing life is NOT the mother is true.
“the growing life is NOT the woman's life”
Objectively false, you fucking retard. Open a science textbook. Learn English first.the growing life can have no life scientifically prior to 24 weeks of pregnancy
Objectively false,
They need some oxygen and nutrients from that blood, the addition of which the mother already naturally has the inclination to intake for their sake.
There is no distinction to be had here, you consummate buffoon.
NFBW: I agree as explained earlier.Life begins at fertilization
NFBW; Prior to the discovery of DNA When life began at quickening nothing has changed. Life begins at viability not a unique genetic code.
NFBW: Viability according to science determines when human life actually begins. It used to be 28 weeks now it is down to 24 weeks for preemies if parents have a spare $100k laying around to keep them alive
Even when receiving the most advanced treatment possible, the vulnerability of a 22-week preemie is acute. The skin is thinner than paper, the lungs may be three or more months away from being able to take in air on their own and the brain, which is still forming basic structures, bleeds easily.Abortion, Science and Post-Roe America
Overturning Roe won't stop States from tying abortion access to fetal viability.www.newsweek.comTo develop properly, a preemie needs to bond to the mother through touch, smell and hearing—but enveloped in tubes inside a small pod with tightly controlled temperature and air, that's often impossible. "We can't jeopardize the infant's health or stability to allow for that bonding," says Dr. Katherine Kosiv, a pediatric cardiologist at Yale Medical School.The fact that exactly one preemie ever has been saved at 21 weeks doesn't lead many experts to predict that similar feats will become commonplace. It's hard to find any experts who think viability will be pushed down to 20 weeks in the foreseeable future, given the severe immaturity of virtually every organ and piece of tissue in a fetus that young. "There's definitely a kind of biological barrier below about 22 weeks, and it seems to be insurmountable by current technology," says Dr. John Wyatt, a neonatal physician and professor of ethics and perinatology at University College, London.
The Limits of ViabilityThese efforts require maintaining teams of experts, and the cost of caring for a single very-premature baby typically runs to more than $100,000, with a typical NICU handling 20 or more babies at once. Such advanced NICUs are beyond the reach of most hospitals. The huge variation in survival rates of extreme preemies among hospitals reflects the differences in that investment. The University of Alabama at Birmingham operates a NICU with a staff of 350, while many other hospitals have no NICU at all.It's no wonder. At 22 weeks, the brain has just barely formed the cortex—the part that confers higher thought—and the brain cells are only beginning to form the first of the 100 trillion connections they would normally make while still safe and comfortable in a quiet, dark womb.
NFBW: Your DNA argument is a religion driven bastardized interpretation of scientific data and discovery. END2208041158
NFBW: See above: 24 weeks appears to be the earliest a fetus can survive being separated from its mother. END2209160510Objectively false, you fucking retard.