Roe v. Wade getting overturned!!

[NotfooledbyW]

DNA.

I am telling what is taught in every embryology textbook. That is a fact.

I don’t believe Saint Ding read any books written by biologist Scott Gilbert,

February 4th, 2009 Stacey Kutish

Biologist Scott Gilbert Brings​

Origin of Life Discussion to Vatican​

by Stacey Kutish
2/05/09

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Scott Gilbert

In late 2007, Howard A. Schneiderman Professor of Biology Scott Gilbert discussed the beginning of life with the leaders of the Catholic Church. At that time, he was one of about 20 speakers to address a conference organized by the Vatican to help bridge gaps between religion and science - and the only one to suggest that very early embryos were not equivalent to human beings. According to the Philadelphia Inquirer, "That led to lots of yelling and gesticulating in Italian, not all of which could be translated for him."http://www.philly.com/inquirer/home_top_stories/20090204_From_Swarthmore_to_a_Vatican_invite.html

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Gilbert, the author of the bestselling textbook Developmental Biology (2000), will return to Rome next month to continue the dialogue with church leaders. He joined Swarthmore's faculty in 1980 and teaches developmental genetics, embryology, and the history of biology.​

vlvng.23.10.16 #713 “That is your mindset, not mine. I don't "humanize" DNA.”

dvng.23.10.16 #720 “You dehumanize certain human lives and you should be ashamed of yourself.”

Question for Saint Ding / reply to post dvng.23.10.16 #720 / re:

Biologist Scott Gillbert Takes Origin of Life Discussion to Vatican

Howard A. Schneiderman Professor of Biology Scott Gilbert describes his experience discussing the beginning of life with the leaders of the Catholic Church.

www.swarthmore.edu

From above excerpt:

In late 2007, Howard A. Schneiderman Professor of Biology Scott Gilbert discussed the beginning of life with the leaders of the Catholic Church. At that time, he was one of about 20 speakers to address a conference organized by the Vatican to help bridge gaps between religion and science - and the only one to suggest that very early embryos were not equivalent to human beings.

Based on the bolded words above Saint Ding , can you tell me and GoodAmerican Alang that Howard A. Schneiderman Professor of Biology Scott Gilbert is dehumanizing certain human lives for telling Catholic leaders that very early embryos were not equivalent to human beings and therefore the Howard A. Schneiderman Professor of Biology Scott Gilbert must be ashamed of his science because Saint Ding says so.

nf.23.10.17 #11,501

 

[tahuyaman]

The repeal of Roe vs Wade hasn’t been the catastrophe the pro abortion crowd thought it would be.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

The left

thymn.23.03.13 “The left won’t be happy until abortion is mandatory.

Democrats are for women keeping the right to privacy and making reproductive choices with no restriction by all levels of government.

Republicans are for “mandatory” full term gestation for all women to satisfy the religious fanatics in the Saving Baby Fetus Cult that America maintains it white Christian nation status by granting state government control over fertile female bodies and their egg dropping menstrual cycles.

So where do you stand on mandatory full term gestation for all pregnant wonen?

nf.23.10.17 #11,503

 

[tahuyaman]

thymn.23.03.13 “The left won’t be happy until abortion is mandatory.

Democrats are for women keeping the right to privacy and making reproductive choices with no restriction by all levels of government.

Republicans are for “mandatory” full term gestation for all women to satisfy the religious fanatics in the Saving Baby Fetus Cult that America maintains it white Christian nation status by granting state government control over fertile female bodies and their egg dropping menstrual cycles.

So where do you stand on mandatory full term gestation for all pregnant wonen?

nf.23.10.17 #11,503

I am 100% opposed to abortion. The choice is getting pregnant. There’s no justification in killing unborn babies. The only possible exception would be to save the mother’s life. This possibility would most likely be known prior to the pregnancy.

I’m sure the death cultists disagree.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

I am 100% opposed to abortion.

thymn.23.10.17 #11,504 I am 100% opposed to abortion.

That is excellent. Then do not have one. Do you insist the government use its authority to impose your morality on everyone else?

nf.23.20.27 #11,505 to thymn.23.10.17 #11,504

 

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vlvng.23.10.16 #713 I don't "humanize" DNA.”

dvng.23.10.16 #720 “You dehumanize certain human lives and you should be ashamed of yourself.”

What are “certain” humans? Do you mean humans that have never had or used their bodies own brain? Then what is there to be ashamed of when s woman decides to have it removed before a brain can be developed.?

nf.23.10.16 #11,500

The ones you have been discussing for 576 pages.

 

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I don’t believe Saint Ding read any books written by biologist Scott Gilbert,




vlvng.23.10.16 #713 “That is your mindset, not mine. I don't "humanize" DNA.”

dvng.23.10.16 #720 “You dehumanize certain human lives and you should be ashamed of yourself.”

Question for Saint Ding / reply to post dvng.23.10.16 #720 / re:

Biologist Scott Gillbert Takes Origin of Life Discussion to Vatican

Howard A. Schneiderman Professor of Biology Scott Gilbert describes his experience discussing the beginning of life with the leaders of the Catholic Church.

www.swarthmore.edu

From above excerpt:

In late 2007, Howard A. Schneiderman Professor of Biology Scott Gilbert discussed the beginning of life with the leaders of the Catholic Church. At that time, he was one of about 20 speakers to address a conference organized by the Vatican to help bridge gaps between religion and science - and the only one to suggest that very early embryos were not equivalent to human beings.

Based on the bolded words above Saint Ding , can you tell me and GoodAmerican Alang that Howard A. Schneiderman Professor of Biology Scott Gilbert is dehumanizing certain human lives for telling Catholic leaders that very early embryos were not equivalent to human beings and therefore the Howard A. Schneiderman Professor of Biology Scott Gilbert must be ashamed of his science because Saint Ding says so.

nf.23.10.17 #11,501

“In that fraction of a second when the chromosomes form pairs, the sex of the new child will be determined, hereditary characteristics received from each parent will be set, and a new life will have begun.”

Kaluger, G., and Kaluger, M., Human Development: The Span of Life, page 28-29, The C.V. Mosby Co., St. Louis, 1974.

“It should always be remembered that many organs are still not completely developed by full-term and birth should be regarded only as an incident in the whole developmental process.”

F Beck Human Embryology, Blackwell Scientific Publications, 1985 page vi

“It is the penetration of the ovum by a sperm and the resulting mingling of nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the initiation of the life of a new individual.”

Clark Edward and Corliss Patten’s Human Embryology, McGraw – Hill Inc., 30

“Although it is customary to divide human development into prenatal and postnatal periods, it is important to realize that birth is merely a dramatic event during development resulting in a change in environment.”

The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology fifth edition, Moore and Persaud, 1993, Saunders Company, page 1

“The zygote and early embryo are living human organisms.”

Keith L. Moore & T.V.N. Persaud Before We Are Born – Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects (W.B. Saunders Company, 1998. Fifth edition.) Page 500

“The term conception refers to the union of the male and female pronuclear elements of procreation from which a new living being develops. It is synonymous with the terms fecundation, impregnation, and fertilization … The zygote thus formed represents the beginning of a new life.”

J.P. Greenhill and E.A. Freidman. Biological Principles and Modern Practice of Obstetrics. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Publishers. 1974 Pages 17 and 23.

“[The zygote], formed by the union of an oocyte and a sperm, is the beginning of a new human being.”

Keith L. Moore, Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2008. p. 2.

“Although life is a continuous process, fertilization… is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new genetically distinct human organism is formed when the chromosomes of the male and female pronuclei blend in the oocyte.”

Ronan O’Rahilly and Fabiola Miller, Human Embryology and Teratology, 3rd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 2001. p. 8.

“[All] organisms, however large and complex they might be as full grown, begin life as a single cell. This is true for the human being, for instance, who begins life as a fertilized ovum.”

Dr. Morris Krieger “The Human Reproductive System” p 88 (1969) Sterling Pub. Co

“The first cell of a new and unique human life begins existence at the moment of conception (fertilization) when one living sperm from the father joins with one living ovum from the mother. It is in this manner that human life passes from one generation to another. Given the appropriate environment and genetic composition, the single cell subsequently gives rise to trillions of specialized and integrated cells that compose the structures and functions of each individual human body. Every human being alive today and, as far as is known scientifically, every human being that ever existed, began his or her unique existence in this manner, i.e., as one cell. If this first cell or any subsequent configuration of cells perishes, the individual dies, ceasing to exist in matter as a living being. There are no known exceptions to this rule in the field of human biology.”
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James Bopp, ed., Human Life and Health Care Ethics, vol. 2 (Frederick, MD: University Publications of America, 1985)

“The formation, maturation and meeting of a male and female sex cell are all preliminary to their actual union into a combined cell, or zygote, which definitely marks the beginning of a new individual. The penetration of the ovum by the spermatozoon, and the coming together and pooling of their respective nuclei, constitutes the process of fertilization.”

Leslie Brainerd Arey, “Developmental Anatomy” seventh edition space (Philadelphia: Saunders, 1974), 55

“The zygote therefore contains a new arrangement of genes on the chromosomes never before duplicated in any other individual. The offspring destined to develop from the fertilized ovum will have a genetic constitution different from anyone else in the world.”

DeCoursey, R.M., The Human Organism, 4th edition McGraw Hill Inc., Toronto, 1974. page 584

“The science of the development of the individual before birth is called embryology. It is the story of miracles, describing the means by which a single microscopic cell is transformed into a complex human being. Genetically the zygote is complete. It represents a new single celled individual.”

Thibodeau, G.A., and Anthony, C.P., Structure and Function of the Body, 8th edition, St. Louis: Times Mirror/Mosby College Publishers, St. Louis, 1988. pages 409-419

“Each human begins life as a combination of two cells, a female ovum and a much smaller male sperm. This tiny unit, no bigger than a period on this page, contains all the information needed to enable it to grow into the complex …structure of the human body. The mother has only to provide nutrition and protection.”

Clark, J. ed., The Nervous System: Circuits of Communication in the Human Body, Torstar Books Inc., Toronto, 1985, page 99

“A zygote (a single fertilized egg cell) represents the onset of pregnancy and the genesis of new life.”

Turner, J.S., and Helms, D.B., Lifespan Developmental, 2nd ed., CBS College Publishing (Holt, Rhinehart, Winston), 1983, page 53

“Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)… The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual.”

Carlson, Bruce M. Patten’s Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3

“Embryo: The developing individual between the union of the germ cells and the completion of the organs which characterize its body when it becomes a separate organism…. At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun…. The term embryo covers the several stages of early development from conception to the ninth or tenth week of life.”

Considine, Douglas (ed.). Van Nostrand’s Scientific Encyclopedia. 5th edition. New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1976, p. 943

“In that fraction of a second when the chromosomes form pairs, [at conception] the sex of the new child will be determined, hereditary characteristics received from each parent will be set, and a new life will have begun.”

Kaluger, G., and Kaluger, M., Human Development: The Span of Life, page 28-29, The C.V. Mosby Co., St. Louis, 1974

“The development of a human being begins with fertilization, a process by which two highly specialized cells, the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female, unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote.”

Langman, Jan. Medical Embryology. 3rd edition. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1975, p. 3

“It is the penetration of the ovum by a spermatozoan and resultant mingling of the nuclear material each brings to the union that constitutes the culmination of the process of fertilization and marks the initiation of the life of a new individual.”

Human Embryology, 3rd ed. Bradley M. Patten, (New York: McGraw Hill, 1968), 43.

“In this text, we begin our description of the developing human with the formation and differentiation of the male and female sex cells or gametes, which will unite at fertilization to initiate the embryonic development of a new individual. … Fertilization takes place in the oviduct … resulting in the formation of a zygote containing a single diploid nucleus. Embryonic development is considered to begin at this point… This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development.”

Essentials of Human Embryology, William J. Larsen, (New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1998), 1-17.

“Fertilization is an important landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed… Fertilization is the procession of events that begins when a spermatozoon makes contact with a secondary oocyte or its investments… The zygote … is a unicellular embryo..”

From Human Embryology & Teratology, Ronan R. O’Rahilly, Fabiola Muller, (New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996), 5-55.

“[The Zygote] results from the union of an oocyte and a sperm. A zygote is the beginning of a new human being. Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm … unites with a female gamete or oocyte … to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marks the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.”

The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 6th ed. Keith L. Moore, Ph.D. & T.V.N. Persaud, Md., (Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1998), 2-18:

 

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I don’t believe Saint Ding read any books written by biologist Scott Gilbert,




vlvng.23.10.16 #713 “That is your mindset, not mine. I don't "humanize" DNA.”

dvng.23.10.16 #720 “You dehumanize certain human lives and you should be ashamed of yourself.”

Question for Saint Ding / reply to post dvng.23.10.16 #720 / re:

Biologist Scott Gillbert Takes Origin of Life Discussion to Vatican

Howard A. Schneiderman Professor of Biology Scott Gilbert describes his experience discussing the beginning of life with the leaders of the Catholic Church.

www.swarthmore.edu

From above excerpt:

In late 2007, Howard A. Schneiderman Professor of Biology Scott Gilbert discussed the beginning of life with the leaders of the Catholic Church. At that time, he was one of about 20 speakers to address a conference organized by the Vatican to help bridge gaps between religion and science - and the only one to suggest that very early embryos were not equivalent to human beings.

Based on the bolded words above Saint Ding , can you tell me and GoodAmerican Alang that Howard A. Schneiderman Professor of Biology Scott Gilbert is dehumanizing certain human lives for telling Catholic leaders that very early embryos were not equivalent to human beings and therefore the Howard A. Schneiderman Professor of Biology Scott Gilbert must be ashamed of his science because Saint Ding says so.

nf.23.10.17 #11,501

Seems like making abortion a misdemeanor would be an agreeable solution unless one is a zealot.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

It is interesting with regard to Dr Keith Moore's sincerity (or lack thereof) to note that during his lecture tours to promote his book to Muslim audiences, he stated many times that he never left his Christian faith to become a Muslim and admitted that he had no knowledge of Arabic, that Muslim scholars had translated the Arabic words for him, and that he is not claiming his interpretations are accurate.​

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…, was born in Brantford, Ontario; the son of Rev. James Henry Moore and Gertrude Myrtle McComb. He grew up in Bethel, Wallacetown, Shakespeare, and Streetsville. His father was a Presbyterian minister and his mother was a musician (Associate of the Toronto Conservatory of Music).​

The beginning of each of us

dvng.23.10.16 #674 to nf.23.10.15 #672 “the beginning of each of us as a unique individual . . . . “Dr Keith L. Moore”​

The DNA science sounds correct that in fact the beginning’s of each of our unique individual physical bodies begins immediately at conception but billions upon billions of conceptions have been rejected by nature since the beginning of nature’s time for human beings. So why does Saint Ding duck the scientific reality that perhaps up to half of every conceived, unique individual dies within the first 20 weeks after conception? Innocent fetal death is the result of natural abortion and it means to me that nature has no moral respect for our DNA uniqueness at all. And moral high valuation of life within the first 20 weeks in the womb is not a requirement to be a moral citizen of any society that protects freedom of conscience like ours.

Catholic doctrine in Humanae Vitae asserts that God creates every unique human being at conception to have a personal relationship with them and therefore to interfere with that creation is a sin. That makes abortion on demand a sin in Catholic belief,

No unique individual American is obligated to give a damn about that Catholic belief or accept that early deliberate termination of a pregnancy is a moral black mark on one’s life.

It is not because conception makes we humans special and above all other animated species. For me it is when our souls (eternal metaphysical sparks of life) are assigned to our mortal physical bodies by nature that make us human. I accept Rabbi poetry and guidance that the value of life begins around first breath because science has absolutely nothing to do with it and Humanae Vitae is rationally absurd to me.

nf.23.10.17 #11,509

 

[CarsomyrPlusSix]

Always delicious to see these two abject retards call for eugenics, as if they are the ones who wouldn’t be culled for the good of the species.

 

[beagle9]

thymn.23.10.17 #11,504 I am 100% opposed to abortion.

That is excellent. Then do not have one. Do you insist the government use its authority to impose your morality on everyone else?

nf.23.20.27 #11,505 to thymn.23.10.17 #11,504

Why not ? You insist that the government can constantly involve itself in telling people that they can or cannot do certain things, so it all depends on what you agree with and what you don't.

Leftist want their cake, and then they want government to provide the spoon to eat it with until that spoon is given with a bowl of spinach. Then the leftist rebellion begins, even if spinach is healthy for the human when consumed. So government is only right if the leftist agree, and wrong when they don't agree, but the left don't want to apply the same rights or concepts to the right.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

culled

Did the Eugenics Atheist say anything with redeeming social value!

Yours is about the stupidest idea ever Saint Ding by a Republican when you know the Ohio vote is coming up in a few weeks,,

making abortion a misdemeanor

Take a knee dude, Your Saving Baby Fetus Cult is dying hopefully a faster death because of Dobbs.


dvng.23.10.17 #11,508 Seems like making abortion a misdemeanor would be an agreeable solution unless one is a zealot.

Why would the good moral and rational people of Ohio want to negotiate with a Catholic absolutist on abortion like you Saint Ding? You want to punish women for doing something in private when you hsve no business fussing about it in the first place.

nf.23.09.19 #11,093 The quickest path to legal accessibility to abortion is a state by state constitutional amendment declaration by the voters that a woman’s body belongs to her.

nf.23.10.17 #11,512

 

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dvng.23.10.16 #674 to nf.23.10.15 #672 “the beginning of each of us as a unique individual . . . . “Dr Keith L. Moore”​

The DNA science sounds correct that in fact the beginning’s of each of our unique individual physical bodies begins immediately at conception but billions upon billions of conceptions have been rejected by nature since the beginning of nature’s time for human beings. So why does Saint Ding duck the scientific reality that perhaps up to half of every conceived, unique individual dies within the first 20 weeks after conception? Innocent fetal death is the result of natural abortion and it means to me that nature has no moral respect for our DNA uniqueness at all. And moral high valuation of life within the first 20 weeks in the womb is not a requirement to be a moral citizen of any society that protects freedom of conscience like ours.

Catholic doctrine in Humanae Vitae asserts that God creates every unique human being at conception to have a personal relationship with them and therefore to interfere with that creation is a sin. That makes abortion on demand a sin in Catholic belief,

No unique individual American is obligated to give a damn about that Catholic belief or accept that early deliberate termination of a pregnancy is a moral black mark on one’s life.

It is not because conception makes we humans special and above all other animated species. For me it is when our souls (eternal metaphysical sparks of life) are assigned to our mortal physical bodies by nature that make us human. I accept Rabbi poetry and guidance that the value of life begins around first breath because science has absolutely nothing to do with it and Humanae Vitae is rationally absurd to me.

nf.23.10.17 #11,509

So that’s a no that you don’t believe abortion should be considered a misdemeanor?

 

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Did the Eugenics Atheist say anything with redeeming social value!

Yours is about the stupidest idea ever Saint Ding by a Republican when you know the Ohio vote is coming up in a few weeks,,

Take a knee dude, Your Saving Baby Fetus Cult is dying hopefully a faster death because of Dobbs.


dvng.23.10.17 #11,508 Seems like making abortion a misdemeanor would be an agreeable solution unless one is a zealot.

Why would the good moral and rational people of Ohio want to negotiate with a Catholic absolutist on abortion like you Saint Ding? You want to punish women for doing something in private when you hsve no business fussing about it in the first place.

nf.23.09.19 #11,093 The quickest path to legal accessibility to abortion is a state by state constitutional amendment declaration by the voters that a woman’s body belongs to her.

nf.23.10.17 #11,512

So still no to making abortion a misdemeanor?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

misdemeanor

dvng.23.10.17 #11,508 “Seems like making abortion a misdemeanor would be an agreeable solution unless one is a zealot

nf.23.10.17 #11,512 to dvng.23.10.17 #11,508 “Why would the good moral and rational people of Ohio want to negotiate with a Catholic absolutist on abortion like you Saint Ding?”

dvng.23.10.17 #11,514 to nf.23.10.17 #11,512 So still no to making abortion a misdemeanor?

If you cannot force full term gestation on all women in Kansas and Ohio why would there need to be punishment for exercising their constitutional right to make reproductive decisions prior to viability and within the 20 week window when miscarriages happen.

There is nothing immoral shameful or wrong when a woman has an abortion early in her pregnancy. Talk about using misdemeanor laws to shame young women is absurd. So of course It’s a no,

nf.23.10.17 #11,515

 

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dvng.23.10.17 #11,508 “Seems like making abortion a misdemeanor would be an agreeable solution unless one is a zealot

nf.23.10.17 #11,512 to dvng.23.10.17 #11,508 “Why would the good moral and rational people of Ohio want to negotiate with a Catholic absolutist on abortion like you Saint Ding?”

dvng.23.10.17 #11,514 to nf.23.10.17 #11,512 So still no to making abortion a misdemeanor?

If you cannot force full term gestation on all women in Kansas and Ohio why would there need to be punishment for exercising their constitutional right to make reproductive decisions prior to viability and within the 20 week window when miscarriages happen.

There is nothing immoral shameful or wrong when a woman has an abortion early in her pregnancy. Talk about using misdemeanor laws to shame young women is absurd. So of course It’s a no,

nf.23.10.17

Making abortion a misdemeanor is actually less restrictive than Israel's policy.

 

[beagle9]

dvng.23.10.17 #11,508 “Seems like making abortion a misdemeanor would be an agreeable solution unless one is a zealot

nf.23.10.17 #11,512 to dvng.23.10.17 #11,508 “Why would the good moral and rational people of Ohio want to negotiate with a Catholic absolutist on abortion like you Saint Ding?”

dvng.23.10.17 #11,514 to nf.23.10.17 #11,512 So still no to making abortion a misdemeanor?

If you cannot force full term gestation on all women in Kansas and Ohio why would there need to be punishment for exercising their constitutional right to make reproductive decisions prior to viability and within the 20 week window when miscarriages happen.

There is nothing immoral shameful or wrong when a woman has an abortion early in her pregnancy. Talk about using misdemeanor laws to shame young women is absurd. So of course It’s a no,

nf.23.10.17 #11,515

Hell, let's take seat belts off of everybody then, because it's none of yours or my business who dies in that car when it crashes.

Fact is by adding the deterrent it saved lives didn't it ? The same with regulating abortion down to - the life of the mother has to be at stake or there is an extreme deformation that is evident early on without a doubt, and for rape and incest only... This is done by using language that is to be interpreted into the regulation that abortion on demand will be illegal, and after to much time passes the rape resulting in pregnancy will be illegal to abort also. The same in the case of incest wherefore the female waits to long to report the situation, and therefore the baby has begun developing beyond a legal DNC or abortion stage in her womb.

It should also become a law that birth control is to be used if the intent is not to produce a pregnancy, and if the guy forces the girl to allow him (per his persuasion) to let him go raw, then he will be responsible for the pregnancy if it occurs and goes beyond the beginning stages, and if he bolt's then she can get him for rape if she wants too. That ought to cool down the bull shite that has started the trend of our of control abortions taking place in this country.

What to harsh maybe ??

 

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People who believe abortion shouldn't even be a misdemeanor are unreasonable zealots.

 

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Women feel bad after having an abortion because they know it is wrong to end a human life and they are sad for having done it. The least we can do is make them publicly acknowledge what they have done and pay a small fine for doing it.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

nf.23.03.19 #7,800 Women’s Health also argued that abortion, or the right of a person to have possession of their own body is important in the common law tradition.


dvng.23.10.17 #11,516 to nf.23.10.17 #11,515 “Making abortion a misdemeanor is actually less restrictive than Israel's policy.”


In the British colonies, when the constitution was written, English common law was fairly close to Roe versus Wade. The concept of viability was called quickening, and the English common law over the centuries was that abortion was legal until quickening. And then, after quickening it was a misdemeanor which I have read has been described, is hardly ever enforced.


But you Saint Ding want misdemeanor convictions prior to viability. That can only happen in the deepest red confederate white Christian run states. Like I said, it’s probably the most absurd idea out there. Women have a right to reproductive freedom and keeping the government out of their uterus and they will let the republican party know.