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Rollback Cuba shit...
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shockedcanadian
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I feel sorry for the citizens of Cuba but I will not support their economy. Many moons ago a former gf offered to pay for a trip to Cuba and I told her I would never step foot in that or any other Communist hellhole as long as the Good Lord gives me strength. She was stunned that I would turn down an all expenses trips (she knew someone at a travel agency)
Living in a socialist country myself, and, in the most socialist province on earth, I don't want to see any further the oppression of human beings on a more intense scale. Cuba is one such example.
My gf at the time argued with me about seeing the country, I asked her "there are thousands a year who risk their lives to leave Cuba and head to America, how many Americans risk their lives to get into Cuba?" She understood my point.
I don't know the answer about how to engage with Cuba in a diplomatic manner, or, government to government environment, but I sure as hell know that I am going to avoid Cuba as long as they are communist.
Living in a socialist country myself, and, in the most socialist province on earth, I don't want to see any further the oppression of human beings on a more intense scale. Cuba is one such example.
My gf at the time argued with me about seeing the country, I asked her "there are thousands a year who risk their lives to leave Cuba and head to America, how many Americans risk their lives to get into Cuba?" She understood my point.
I don't know the answer about how to engage with Cuba in a diplomatic manner, or, government to government environment, but I sure as hell know that I am going to avoid Cuba as long as they are communist.
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Yes, let's rollback progress and engage in another 50 year old embargo that will change absolutely nothing and only continue to harm the innocent people of that country. Smart....
Rustic
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Progressives are drawn to the shit holes like cuba...I feel sorry for the citizens of Cuba but I will not support their economy. Many moons ago a former gf offered to pay for a trip to Cuba and I told her I would never step foot in that or any other Communist hellhole as long as the Good Lord gives me strength. She was stunned that I would turn down an all expenses trips (she knew someone at a travel agency)
Living in a socialist country myself, and, in the most socialist province on earth, I don't want to see any further the oppression of human beings on a more intense scale. Cuba is one such example.
My gf at the time argued with me about seeing the country, I asked her "there are thousands a year who risk their lives to leave Cuba and head to America, how many Americans risk their lives to get into Cuba?" She understood my point.
I don't know the answer about how to engage with Cuba in a diplomatic manner, or, government to government environment, but I sure as hell know how I am going to engage in Cuba as long as they are communist.
Rustic
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Well, the people are oppressed by a fucked up government, why not kill the fuckers?Yes, let's rollback progress and engage in another 50 year old embargo that will change absolutely nothing and only continue to harm the innocent people of that country. Smart....
The Cuban people need to take care of their own business and quit relying on other countries.
Mr Natural
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But Communist China is okay, right?
Vandalshandle
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Cuba has nothing to offer the world in anyway they are shit hole, Trump is going to be rolling back economic trade to the shit hole.
After all, the last 50 year embargo worked so well.......
odanny
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Cuba has nothing to offer the world in anyway they are shit hole, Trump is going to be rolling back economic trade to the shit hole.
You're a fucking idiot who knows nothing about Cuba, so stay holed up in your little shit hole town. I will visit Cuba someday so fuck Trump and whatever retarded ideas that moron is pushing.
- Nov 17, 2009
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Well, the people are oppressed by a fucked up government, why not kill the fuckers?Yes, let's rollback progress and engage in another 50 year old embargo that will change absolutely nothing and only continue to harm the innocent people of that country. Smart....
When did it become our place to tell other governments how to govern their countries?
Vandalshandle
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More importantly, why does my government have the authority to keep it's citizens from visiting a foreign country? Is this an example of "freedom" that we all praise in song, pledge our allegiance, and shed our blood for in this country?
debbiedowner
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Implications of Repealing the Cuban Embargo for US Medicine and Public Health
Cuban researchers have been conducting world-class medical research on vaccines and preventive medicines and are eager to establish collaborations with American scientists.1 For several decades, Cuba’s Finlay Institute has successfully developed and produced inexpensive vaccines against hepatitis B virus (HBV), meningococcal meningitis, leptospirosis, and dengue virus that have been used worldwide. In 1989, Cuba produced a serogroup B meningococcal vaccine, based on the outer membrane vesicles of specific outbreak strains, to prevent childhood meningitis. The vaccine has been widely used throughout Latin America, but not within the US. The US Food and Drug Administration approved its first serogroup B meningococcal vaccine, which was manufactured by a subsidiary of Pfizer, in 2014.
In 1994, Cuban researchers at the Center for Molecular Immunology began developing novel therapeutic vaccine candidates for non-small-cell lung cancer (NSCLC), a leading cause of mortality among Cuba’s cigar-smoking population. The CimaVax-EGF vaccine, which contains a ligand of the epidermal growth factor receptor (EGFR) to stimulate anti-EGFR antibodies, has been shown to extend survival of NSCLC by several months in a phase 2 clinical trial.3 Earlier this year, the Roswell Park Cancer Institute in Buffalo, New York, finalized an agreement with the Center for Molecular Immunology to conduct a clinical trial of CimaVax-EGF for a potential application to the US Food and Drug Administration for approval.4 A second therapeutic vaccine candidate for NSCLC, racotumomab, is currently being evaluated in a multicountry phase 3 randomized controlled trial (ClinicalTrials.gov #NCT01460472). Fostering collaborations between innovative but underfunded Cuban scientists and American scientists could lead to more scientific and medical advancements.
In addition, American universities may develop more formalized programs to send students to Cuba to learn alternative approaches for delivering primary health care and preventive medicine within accessible community-based clinics (polyclinics) and neighborhood-based clinics (consultarios).1 Cuba recently became the world’s first country to receive validation from the World Health Organization for eliminating mother-to-child transmission of HIV.5 They achieved this goal by integrating maternal and child health programs with HIV programs while maintaining a focus on universal health coverage. If the US and global health communities are to reduce the 240 000 new child HIV infections in 2013 to the target of less than 40 000 new child HIV infections per year,5 then some lessons should be learned from Cuba’s accomplishment. Conversely, US graduate medical education programs may eventually draw upon Cuban foreign medical graduates for the hundreds of unfiled primary care residency positions each year, but this would first require change within the Cuban laws.
The US and Cuba have maintained two of the largest global health programs, and efforts to address HIV and emerging infections may benefit from greater cooperation. Cuba has sent over 100 000 physicians to work in developing countries since 19611 and recently deployed a large delegation of physicians to address the Ebola outbreak. Expanding opportunities to address existing and emerging global health challenges, perhaps in collaboration with the US President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief program, could improve the global delivery of health services, infrastructure development, and medications.
Diplomatic relations between the United States and Cuba changed course in December 2014, when President Obama announced plans to improve ties with the small island nation. During the ensuing 8 months, there has been a flurry of executive and legislative activity—travel and banking restrictions have been eased, the sitting American President and Cuban President (Raúl Castro) met for the first time in over 50 years, respective embassies have been reopened, and new legislation has been proposed and approved. Although the Republican-led Congress has not yet repealed the 55-year-old US trade embargo against Cuba, a normalization of relations in the near future now seems almost inevitable.
In February 2015, Representative Charles Rangel (D, NY) and Senator Amy Klobuchar (D, MN) introduced the Freedom to Export to Cuba Act of 2015 in both the House of Representatives [HR 634] and Senate [S 491]. More recently, Senator Jerry Moran (R, KS), along with Representatives Tom Emmer (R, MN) and Kathy Castor (D, FL), introduced the Cuba Trade Act of 2015 [S 1543; HR 3238]. Both bills would lift the embargo by allowing private-sector businesses to trade freely with Cuba while still prohibiting taxpayer funds to be used on promotion or development of the Cuban market. They would also repeal or amend all of the primary bills that currently restrict trade and travel to Cuba, including the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961, Cuban Democracy Act of 1992, and the Cuban Liberty and Democratic Solidarity Act of 1996.
The process to repeal the Cuban embargo accelerated in July, when the Republican-controlled Senate Appropriations Committee passed a measure to allow for American citizens to travel freely to Cuba. The same committee also attached amendments to a financial services appropriations bill to allow private financing for agricultural sales and lift restrictions on ships that have docked at Cuban ports. The appropriations measure was the first piece of legislation to pass any congressional committee, and the amendments increased the likelihood that the embargo issue will be voted on by the full Senate.
A dismantling of the Cuban embargo by Congress will almost certainly have a greater impact on Cuba’s society and health care system. For example, better availability to more advanced technologies and expensive therapeutics might divert attention and funding away from Cuba’s historical focus on preventive medicine. However, there will also be effects on the US medical and public health communities. The single biggest positive change from normalizing trade and travel with Cuba may be improved opportunities for research collaborations between American and Cuban scientists.
Although opposition to repealing the embargo remains vocal, the overwhelming majority of Cubans and a growing majority of Americans support an embargo repeal and normalizing relations. A Pew Research Center poll conducted in July reported that 72% of Americans favor ending the embargo.6 Even Latino and Cuban-American voters now favor a presidential candidate who supports normalizing relations over a candidate who would not.7 The dissenting minority will argue that policy reversals will legitimize the Cuban government, but the US Congress has already concluded, “one of the most complex and longstanding embargoes in modern history has failed to achieve its stated purpose.”8 Meanwhile, foreign companies have been rushing to get a foothold in the liberalizing Cuban market, which leaves American opportunities at a clear disadvantage once trade restrictions are repealed. Cuba already provides medical care for thousands of medical tourists from other countries, and US-based companies and Cuban health officials have begun preparing for an influx of the estimated 750 000 Americans who travel abroad for care each year.7
President Obama has been clear on his desire to normalize trade relations with Cuba, and the two bills being considered in Congress would dismantle the embargo. Given the bipartisan backing of legislation and growing public support, a complete repeal of the Cuban embargo may occur soon. The result will be mostly beneficial for the US medical and public health communities, but will also create a new market for American medical tourism. Potential collaborations should be guided by the shared principles of equitable access to health care and may open up a new era of cooperation to achieve common global health goals, which—in the end—may also encourage democracy.
Just for a promising vaccine to fight lung cancer is enough for me.
So you stay up in S. Dakota and let the rest of the country be.
Cuban researchers have been conducting world-class medical research on vaccines and preventive medicines and are eager to establish collaborations with American scientists.1 For several decades, Cuba’s Finlay Institute has successfully developed and produced inexpensive vaccines against hepatitis B virus (HBV), meningococcal meningitis, leptospirosis, and dengue virus that have been used worldwide. In 1989, Cuba produced a serogroup B meningococcal vaccine, based on the outer membrane vesicles of specific outbreak strains, to prevent childhood meningitis. The vaccine has been widely used throughout Latin America, but not within the US. The US Food and Drug Administration approved its first serogroup B meningococcal vaccine, which was manufactured by a subsidiary of Pfizer, in 2014.
In 1994, Cuban researchers at the Center for Molecular Immunology began developing novel therapeutic vaccine candidates for non-small-cell lung cancer (NSCLC), a leading cause of mortality among Cuba’s cigar-smoking population. The CimaVax-EGF vaccine, which contains a ligand of the epidermal growth factor receptor (EGFR) to stimulate anti-EGFR antibodies, has been shown to extend survival of NSCLC by several months in a phase 2 clinical trial.3 Earlier this year, the Roswell Park Cancer Institute in Buffalo, New York, finalized an agreement with the Center for Molecular Immunology to conduct a clinical trial of CimaVax-EGF for a potential application to the US Food and Drug Administration for approval.4 A second therapeutic vaccine candidate for NSCLC, racotumomab, is currently being evaluated in a multicountry phase 3 randomized controlled trial (ClinicalTrials.gov #NCT01460472). Fostering collaborations between innovative but underfunded Cuban scientists and American scientists could lead to more scientific and medical advancements.
In addition, American universities may develop more formalized programs to send students to Cuba to learn alternative approaches for delivering primary health care and preventive medicine within accessible community-based clinics (polyclinics) and neighborhood-based clinics (consultarios).1 Cuba recently became the world’s first country to receive validation from the World Health Organization for eliminating mother-to-child transmission of HIV.5 They achieved this goal by integrating maternal and child health programs with HIV programs while maintaining a focus on universal health coverage. If the US and global health communities are to reduce the 240 000 new child HIV infections in 2013 to the target of less than 40 000 new child HIV infections per year,5 then some lessons should be learned from Cuba’s accomplishment. Conversely, US graduate medical education programs may eventually draw upon Cuban foreign medical graduates for the hundreds of unfiled primary care residency positions each year, but this would first require change within the Cuban laws.
The US and Cuba have maintained two of the largest global health programs, and efforts to address HIV and emerging infections may benefit from greater cooperation. Cuba has sent over 100 000 physicians to work in developing countries since 19611 and recently deployed a large delegation of physicians to address the Ebola outbreak. Expanding opportunities to address existing and emerging global health challenges, perhaps in collaboration with the US President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief program, could improve the global delivery of health services, infrastructure development, and medications.
Diplomatic relations between the United States and Cuba changed course in December 2014, when President Obama announced plans to improve ties with the small island nation. During the ensuing 8 months, there has been a flurry of executive and legislative activity—travel and banking restrictions have been eased, the sitting American President and Cuban President (Raúl Castro) met for the first time in over 50 years, respective embassies have been reopened, and new legislation has been proposed and approved. Although the Republican-led Congress has not yet repealed the 55-year-old US trade embargo against Cuba, a normalization of relations in the near future now seems almost inevitable.
In February 2015, Representative Charles Rangel (D, NY) and Senator Amy Klobuchar (D, MN) introduced the Freedom to Export to Cuba Act of 2015 in both the House of Representatives [HR 634] and Senate [S 491]. More recently, Senator Jerry Moran (R, KS), along with Representatives Tom Emmer (R, MN) and Kathy Castor (D, FL), introduced the Cuba Trade Act of 2015 [S 1543; HR 3238]. Both bills would lift the embargo by allowing private-sector businesses to trade freely with Cuba while still prohibiting taxpayer funds to be used on promotion or development of the Cuban market. They would also repeal or amend all of the primary bills that currently restrict trade and travel to Cuba, including the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961, Cuban Democracy Act of 1992, and the Cuban Liberty and Democratic Solidarity Act of 1996.
The process to repeal the Cuban embargo accelerated in July, when the Republican-controlled Senate Appropriations Committee passed a measure to allow for American citizens to travel freely to Cuba. The same committee also attached amendments to a financial services appropriations bill to allow private financing for agricultural sales and lift restrictions on ships that have docked at Cuban ports. The appropriations measure was the first piece of legislation to pass any congressional committee, and the amendments increased the likelihood that the embargo issue will be voted on by the full Senate.
A dismantling of the Cuban embargo by Congress will almost certainly have a greater impact on Cuba’s society and health care system. For example, better availability to more advanced technologies and expensive therapeutics might divert attention and funding away from Cuba’s historical focus on preventive medicine. However, there will also be effects on the US medical and public health communities. The single biggest positive change from normalizing trade and travel with Cuba may be improved opportunities for research collaborations between American and Cuban scientists.
Although opposition to repealing the embargo remains vocal, the overwhelming majority of Cubans and a growing majority of Americans support an embargo repeal and normalizing relations. A Pew Research Center poll conducted in July reported that 72% of Americans favor ending the embargo.6 Even Latino and Cuban-American voters now favor a presidential candidate who supports normalizing relations over a candidate who would not.7 The dissenting minority will argue that policy reversals will legitimize the Cuban government, but the US Congress has already concluded, “one of the most complex and longstanding embargoes in modern history has failed to achieve its stated purpose.”8 Meanwhile, foreign companies have been rushing to get a foothold in the liberalizing Cuban market, which leaves American opportunities at a clear disadvantage once trade restrictions are repealed. Cuba already provides medical care for thousands of medical tourists from other countries, and US-based companies and Cuban health officials have begun preparing for an influx of the estimated 750 000 Americans who travel abroad for care each year.7
President Obama has been clear on his desire to normalize trade relations with Cuba, and the two bills being considered in Congress would dismantle the embargo. Given the bipartisan backing of legislation and growing public support, a complete repeal of the Cuban embargo may occur soon. The result will be mostly beneficial for the US medical and public health communities, but will also create a new market for American medical tourism. Potential collaborations should be guided by the shared principles of equitable access to health care and may open up a new era of cooperation to achieve common global health goals, which—in the end—may also encourage democracy.
Just for a promising vaccine to fight lung cancer is enough for me.
So you stay up in S. Dakota and let the rest of the country be.
Borillar
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- Jun 4, 2012
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What's the point in doing that? What has Cuba done that is so horrible that we can't trade with them? Keep in mind we do business with China, Russia, Viet-Nam, and lots of other repressive countries worse than Cuba.Cuba has nothing to offer the world in anyway they are shit hole, Trump is going to be rolling back economic trade to the shit hole.
- Apr 17, 2009
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But Communist China is okay, right?
Exactly.
And a host of other countries we're buddies with who have extreme human rights violations....
Makes no sense.
Vandalshandle
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The Vietnamese wanted to kill my friends and classmates. In fact, they did kill 2 of them. Still, they make pretty good shirts, and they must be contrite or else our government would not have granted them "most favored nation" trade status....
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It's part of this bizarre regressive mindset that is stuck in America of 40 years ago.
It's the same mindset that insists on propping up the coal industry while ignoring the fact that buisness' world wide are already widely vested in renewable technologies and low carbon foot prints.
It's the same mindset that insists on propping up the coal industry while ignoring the fact that buisness' world wide are already widely vested in renewable technologies and low carbon foot prints.
Vandalshandle
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I'm planning a trip to Cuba, as soon as my Significant Other is ready to go (not in hurricane season).
Vandalshandle
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I've got my eye on this....
odanny
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Just fly to Costa Rica and take a direct flight from San Jose to Havana. Costa Rica, by the way, is absolute paradise. The only country in Central America without an army is also the safest country in Central America. We took a regular Greyhound style bus all across the country and I never once felt unsafe. And I don't even speak Spanish.
Everything this country has touched in the Western Hemisphere has turned to shit so travel to countries that are independent of our military industrial aggression. Kudos to Cuba for standing up to us.
Everything this country has touched in the Western Hemisphere has turned to shit so travel to countries that are independent of our military industrial aggression. Kudos to Cuba for standing up to us.
Rustic
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It's not, what I said is that we should have no relations with their government.Well, the people are oppressed by a fucked up government, why not kill the fuckers?Yes, let's rollback progress and engage in another 50 year old embargo that will change absolutely nothing and only continue to harm the innocent people of that country. Smart....
When did it become our place to tell other governments how to govern their countries?
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