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Russia's participation in Syria is costly and unpopular so I think Trump will easily be able to reach a deal with Putin to support Russia keeping its naval base in return to dropping its support of Assad and to help us stabilize Syria afterwards. More difficult will be trying to find a way to satisfy Russia's security concerns about NATO states on its border.Obama never cared, I agree. US Syrian policy, put in play by Bush and carried out by Obama, led to the probability of hostilities with Russia. There was a concerted effort to put pressure on Russia to try and limit Russia's response to the Syrian situation. I think Trump is going to have to change course on Syria and I'm not sure he can do it.Conciliation with Russia hasn't worked for Obama because Obama never asked the question, what does Putin want? Putin has been clear about what he wants but no one in the Obama WH seems to have heard him or cared.
Trump prides himself on being a negotiator and the first things you have to know when entering a negotiation are what exactly you want and what exactly does the other person want. Putin has been clear that he wants two things: Russia's naval base on the Mediterranean and a buffer zone between Russia and NATO. Bush41 had promised Gorbachev the buffer zone if Russia would liberate its satellite states, but Bill Clinton reneged on that promise and allowed several of these states to join NATO. Trump will have to try to reestablish the trust that existed between Bush41 and Gorbachev and which has been largely destroyed by our last three presidents in order to arrive at an arrangement that will satisfy Putin's concerns and ours.
The left hasn't waited so that ship has sailed. But which email revelation do the taking heads say was the worse one? I don't watch so haven't heard.I hope that the Americans can just wait until we have all of the informationThanks for your expert opinion. Asking for evidence isn't really being an expert so I can't agree it's a both sides are doing it scenario. "The intelligence community" is xontrolled by a leftist government that has politicized everything and not gulping down everything your government officials tell you is actually a quite healthy state to be in. Try it sometime! Oh, and STFU backatcha.As Liberals and Conservatives jockey for political advantage over Russia's possible involvement in the election of 2016, I would point out to both sides, there is a mountain of classified and top secret information on this subject that most voters will never see. With this in mind I would ask the "self appointed experts" here on both sides of the partisan fence to STFU on this subject for awhile. Investigations and intelligence gathering is a slow process, and no one here has all the facts. I have no idea if Russia was hacking American computers, and neither do any of you, so maybe we should let the intelligence community do their jobs...that's why we pay them.
I hate those commentators on TV who are just getting face time on the news, and they don't know shit yet.
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Russia and the US are not the only actors involved in the Syrian war is the point. How are you going to placate the Saudis and dare I say it, the Israelis?Russia's participation in Syria is costly and unpopular so I think Trump will easily be able to reach a deal with Putin to support Russia keeping its naval base in return to dropping its support of Assad and to help us stabilize Syria afterwards. More difficult will be trying to find a way to satisfy Russia's security concerns about NATO states on its border.Obama never cared, I agree. US Syrian policy, put in play by Bush and carried out by Obama, led to the probability of hostilities with Russia. There was a concerted effort to put pressure on Russia to try and limit Russia's response to the Syrian situation. I think Trump is going to have to change course on Syria and I'm not sure he can do it.Conciliation with Russia hasn't worked for Obama because Obama never asked the question, what does Putin want? Putin has been clear about what he wants but no one in the Obama WH seems to have heard him or cared.
Trump prides himself on being a negotiator and the first things you have to know when entering a negotiation are what exactly you want and what exactly does the other person want. Putin has been clear that he wants two things: Russia's naval base on the Mediterranean and a buffer zone between Russia and NATO. Bush41 had promised Gorbachev the buffer zone if Russia would liberate its satellite states, but Bill Clinton reneged on that promise and allowed several of these states to join NATO. Trump will have to try to reestablish the trust that existed between Bush41 and Gorbachev and which has been largely destroyed by our last three presidents in order to arrive at an arrangement that will satisfy Putin's concerns and ours.
"We" means the US, and the US now means Donald Trump, the man who campaigned against the leaderships of both parties and won. He clearly does not believe he is bound by the mistakes of the past.The question is, who is we? Are you a policy maker? What makes you think those who helped spread the salafist movement want to now end it? Do you think it sprang up by accident?We want Russia's cooperation in getting Assad to leave Syria and to stabilize the the nation after he has left. We want to find some sort of agreement that will satisfy Russia's security concerns about NATO in order to end the fighting in eastern Europe. Additionally, we want Russian cooperation in preventing Iran from continuing to spread the Sunni - Shia war across the ME.Conciliation with Russia hasn't worked for Obama because Obama never asked the question, what does Putin want? Putin has been clear about what he wants but no one in the Obama WH seems to have heard him or cared.I'm no fan of Trump. I would think his administration will deal with Russia much the way Obama's did. Make overtures of conciliation to Russia and then act in direct opposition to those overtures. I am keenly interested to see it play out as well.Right. Putin is content to follow our lead. He know he can't beat us, so he has decided to join us. Why wouldn't he? Trump obviously recognizes this acquiescence on Putin's part and he's going to negotiate us into a better position. I am eager to see what a new global partnership with Russia looks like.
Trump prides himself on being a negotiator and the first things you have to know when entering a negotiation are what exactly you want and what exactly does the other person want. Putin has been clear that he wants two things: Russia's naval base on the Mediterranean and a buffer zone between Russia and NATO. Bush41 had promised Gorbachev the buffer zone if Russia would liberate its satellite states, but Bill Clinton reneged on that promise and allowed several of these states to join NATO. Trump will have to try to reestablish the trust that existed between Bush41 and Gorbachev and which has been largely destroyed by our last three presidents in order to arrive at an arrangement that will satisfy Putin's concerns and ours.
Cool! What do we want?
One thing we do know for sure is that the Wikileaks emails did not influence the election, so why is Obama using them as a pretext for dragging us into a new Cold War with Russia?Thanks for your expert opinion. Asking for evidence isn't really being an expert so I can't agree it's a both sides are doing it scenario. "The intelligence community" is xontrolled by a leftist government that has politicized everything and not gulping down everything your government officials tell you is actually a quite healthy state to be in. Try it sometime! Oh, and STFU backatcha.As Liberals and Conservatives jockey for political advantage over Russia's possible involvement in the election of 2016, I would point out to both sides, there is a mountain of classified and top secret information on this subject that most voters will never see. With this in mind I would ask the "self appointed experts" here on both sides of the partisan fence to STFU on this subject for awhile. Investigations and intelligence gathering is a slow process, and no one here has all the facts. I have no idea if Russia was hacking American computers, and neither do any of you, so maybe we should let the intelligence community do their jobs...that's why we pay them.
I hope that the Americans can just wait until we have all of the information
I hate those commentators on TV who are just getting face time on the news, and they don't know shit yet.
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. What other national leader actually wanted to see Trump win?
We'll see."We" means the US, and the US now means Donald Trump, the man who campaigned against the leaderships of both parties and won. He clearly does not believe he is bound by the mistakes of the past.The question is, who is we? Are you a policy maker? What makes you think those who helped spread the salafist movement want to now end it? Do you think it sprang up by accident?We want Russia's cooperation in getting Assad to leave Syria and to stabilize the the nation after he has left. We want to find some sort of agreement that will satisfy Russia's security concerns about NATO in order to end the fighting in eastern Europe. Additionally, we want Russian cooperation in preventing Iran from continuing to spread the Sunni - Shia war across the ME.Conciliation with Russia hasn't worked for Obama because Obama never asked the question, what does Putin want? Putin has been clear about what he wants but no one in the Obama WH seems to have heard him or cared.I'm no fan of Trump. I would think his administration will deal with Russia much the way Obama's did. Make overtures of conciliation to Russia and then act in direct opposition to those overtures. I am keenly interested to see it play out as well.
Trump prides himself on being a negotiator and the first things you have to know when entering a negotiation are what exactly you want and what exactly does the other person want. Putin has been clear that he wants two things: Russia's naval base on the Mediterranean and a buffer zone between Russia and NATO. Bush41 had promised Gorbachev the buffer zone if Russia would liberate its satellite states, but Bill Clinton reneged on that promise and allowed several of these states to join NATO. Trump will have to try to reestablish the trust that existed between Bush41 and Gorbachev and which has been largely destroyed by our last three presidents in order to arrive at an arrangement that will satisfy Putin's concerns and ours.
Cool! What do we want?
And the only piece of information it gave us was that a few lines of code used in the hack of the DNC were consistent with some code that had previously been used in Russian hacks. It really doesn't matter if the Russians did it or some one else used that code to hack the DNC since none of the emails on Wikileaks could have conceivably influence the election. The only casualty of those emails was Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and the only people who wanted to see her go were Sanders supporters, so if you ask who gained from those emails, the answer is not Trump and not Putin but Sanders supporters, who should have been the prime suspects from the beginning.I have no idea if Russia was hacking American computers, and neither do any of you
You don't? You better go find your turnip truck. What other national leader actually wanted to see Trump win? Did you read the JAR report? It was released three days ago.
The majority of the Syrians are Sunni, so a peaceful resolution of the conflict will naturally leave them in charge and that should satisfy the Saudis. Israel's concern is about Iran and Hezbollah and with the Sunni in charge, Iran's role will be very limited and Hezbollah will be weakened.Russia and the US are not the only actors involved in the Syrian war is the point. How are you going to placate the Saudis and dare I say it, the Israelis?Russia's participation in Syria is costly and unpopular so I think Trump will easily be able to reach a deal with Putin to support Russia keeping its naval base in return to dropping its support of Assad and to help us stabilize Syria afterwards. More difficult will be trying to find a way to satisfy Russia's security concerns about NATO states on its border.Obama never cared, I agree. US Syrian policy, put in play by Bush and carried out by Obama, led to the probability of hostilities with Russia. There was a concerted effort to put pressure on Russia to try and limit Russia's response to the Syrian situation. I think Trump is going to have to change course on Syria and I'm not sure he can do it.Conciliation with Russia hasn't worked for Obama because Obama never asked the question, what does Putin want? Putin has been clear about what he wants but no one in the Obama WH seems to have heard him or cared.
Trump prides himself on being a negotiator and the first things you have to know when entering a negotiation are what exactly you want and what exactly does the other person want. Putin has been clear that he wants two things: Russia's naval base on the Mediterranean and a buffer zone between Russia and NATO. Bush41 had promised Gorbachev the buffer zone if Russia would liberate its satellite states, but Bill Clinton reneged on that promise and allowed several of these states to join NATO. Trump will have to try to reestablish the trust that existed between Bush41 and Gorbachev and which has been largely destroyed by our last three presidents in order to arrive at an arrangement that will satisfy Putin's concerns and ours.
These are the facts.And the only piece of information it gave us was that a few lines of code used in the hack of the DNC were consistent with some code that had previously been used in Russian hacks. It really doesn't matter if the Russians did it or some one else used that code to hack the DNC since none of the emails on Wikileaks could have conceivably influence the election. The only casualty of those emails was Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and the only people who wanted to see her go were Sanders supporters, so if you ask who gained from those emails, the answer is not Trump and not Putin but Sanders supporters, who should have been the prime suspects from the beginning.I have no idea if Russia was hacking American computers, and neither do any of you
You don't? You better go find your turnip truck. What other national leader actually wanted to see Trump win? Did you read the JAR report? It was released three days ago.
You just keep thinkin' that.
I don't know what the goal of that behavior is, because I admit I don't understand partisan politics.
The majority of the Syrians are Sunni, so a peaceful resolution of the conflict will naturally leave them in charge and that should satisfy the Saudis. Israel's concern is about Iran and Hezbollah and with the Sunni in charge, Iran's role will be very limited and Hezbollah will be weakened.
Yeah I don't think it is that easy. Putin already offered up a power sharing scenario that would lead to Assad's exit and that was declined. Israel doesn't want a Sunni State any more than they wanted a State run by Assad. There preference is a partitioned Syria and Putin won't agree to that.The majority of the Syrians are Sunni, so a peaceful resolution of the conflict will naturally leave them in charge and that should satisfy the Saudis. Israel's concern is about Iran and Hezbollah and with the Sunni in charge, Iran's role will be very limited and Hezbollah will be weakened.Russia and the US are not the only actors involved in the Syrian war is the point. How are you going to placate the Saudis and dare I say it, the Israelis?Russia's participation in Syria is costly and unpopular so I think Trump will easily be able to reach a deal with Putin to support Russia keeping its naval base in return to dropping its support of Assad and to help us stabilize Syria afterwards. More difficult will be trying to find a way to satisfy Russia's security concerns about NATO states on its border.Obama never cared, I agree. US Syrian policy, put in play by Bush and carried out by Obama, led to the probability of hostilities with Russia. There was a concerted effort to put pressure on Russia to try and limit Russia's response to the Syrian situation. I think Trump is going to have to change course on Syria and I'm not sure he can do it.Conciliation with Russia hasn't worked for Obama because Obama never asked the question, what does Putin want? Putin has been clear about what he wants but no one in the Obama WH seems to have heard him or cared.
Trump prides himself on being a negotiator and the first things you have to know when entering a negotiation are what exactly you want and what exactly does the other person want. Putin has been clear that he wants two things: Russia's naval base on the Mediterranean and a buffer zone between Russia and NATO. Bush41 had promised Gorbachev the buffer zone if Russia would liberate its satellite states, but Bill Clinton reneged on that promise and allowed several of these states to join NATO. Trump will have to try to reestablish the trust that existed between Bush41 and Gorbachev and which has been largely destroyed by our last three presidents in order to arrive at an arrangement that will satisfy Putin's concerns and ours.
Neither one of us knows whether they also tried phishing with the GOP but were unsuccessful.I don't know what the goal of that behavior is, because I admit I don't understand partisan politics.
Well, you admit you don't understand something, that's a start.
So I'll make it simple for you.
The Russians interfered in the election to help Trump win. Why do you think they did that?
That's because Obama has made the US a non factor in the ME, but a Russian-US agreement on how to settle the issue would benefit Turkey and Russia more than trying to police a fragmented Syria, and if Trump can find a way to satisfy Russia's security concerns about NATO, that will work to everyone's advantage except for Iran.The majority of the Syrians are Sunni, so a peaceful resolution of the conflict will naturally leave them in charge and that should satisfy the Saudis. Israel's concern is about Iran and Hezbollah and with the Sunni in charge, Iran's role will be very limited and Hezbollah will be weakened.
But that's not what's happening.
The agreement between the Russians, Turks and Iranians is to essentially partition the country into zones of influence.
The big move here is the Turks siding with the Russians and Iranians.. partially out of fear of Islamists in their own country, partially because they have a fear of the Kurdish parts of Syria joining with the Iraqi Kurdish semi - state.
Israel's only interest is in keeping Iran out of the area and keeping Hezbollah from acquiring advanced weapons and Trump has been a very successful negotiator.Yeah I don't think it is that easy. Putin already offered up a power sharing scenario that would lead to Assad's exit and that was declined. Israel doesn't want a Sunni State any more than they wanted a State run by Assad. There preference is a partitioned Syria and Putin won't agree to that.The majority of the Syrians are Sunni, so a peaceful resolution of the conflict will naturally leave them in charge and that should satisfy the Saudis. Israel's concern is about Iran and Hezbollah and with the Sunni in charge, Iran's role will be very limited and Hezbollah will be weakened.Russia and the US are not the only actors involved in the Syrian war is the point. How are you going to placate the Saudis and dare I say it, the Israelis?Russia's participation in Syria is costly and unpopular so I think Trump will easily be able to reach a deal with Putin to support Russia keeping its naval base in return to dropping its support of Assad and to help us stabilize Syria afterwards. More difficult will be trying to find a way to satisfy Russia's security concerns about NATO states on its border.Obama never cared, I agree. US Syrian policy, put in play by Bush and carried out by Obama, led to the probability of hostilities with Russia. There was a concerted effort to put pressure on Russia to try and limit Russia's response to the Syrian situation. I think Trump is going to have to change course on Syria and I'm not sure he can do it.Conciliation with Russia hasn't worked for Obama because Obama never asked the question, what does Putin want? Putin has been clear about what he wants but no one in the Obama WH seems to have heard him or cared.
Trump prides himself on being a negotiator and the first things you have to know when entering a negotiation are what exactly you want and what exactly does the other person want. Putin has been clear that he wants two things: Russia's naval base on the Mediterranean and a buffer zone between Russia and NATO. Bush41 had promised Gorbachev the buffer zone if Russia would liberate its satellite states, but Bill Clinton reneged on that promise and allowed several of these states to join NATO. Trump will have to try to reestablish the trust that existed between Bush41 and Gorbachev and which has been largely destroyed by our last three presidents in order to arrive at an arrangement that will satisfy Putin's concerns and ours.
Trump is not a great negotiator, he is an egomaniac who renegotiates (stiffs) with his investors and contractors when he can't make good on his deals. Big difference.
The Russians interfered in the election to help Trump win.
Neither one of us knows whether they also tried phishing with the GOP but were unsuccessful.
Stop lying to people you piece of shit.
rump won because people are sick of you and your bullshit identity politics. They didn't want another term of Obama policy.
