Sanders: Universal Healthcare and Free College Aren’t Radical Ideas, They Are ‘Human Rights’

[the_human_being]

Human rights? Oh the cheese has slipped off that boy's cracker.

Yep......the right to life, liberty, free health care, and tuition.

If you don't like it....you're a racist.

I guess I'm a racist then. I got my degree via the G.I. Bill but I paid dearly for my son's and two daughters' college educations. Damned if I think I should have to pay for anyone else's though.

Reminds me of the Marine Corps motto, "I got mine Mac, how you making out?"
Wonder if they still use that?

I have no idea. I was Army. Anyhow, the military is a great option for anyone to get college benefits. My own family doctor finally got his by serving in Iraq. His wife is still in the military. She's in Galveston.

 

[Disir]

You would have to rearrange the education system. It would please many on both sides. But, many would not be going to a university anyway.

Look at the structure and where it begins to branch off. Now, I know that we have a history hear but it does not have to take the same route. Further, recognizing that unwise decisions are made at a young age, many countries have created an option to backtrack and return to college.

There are people that have been vocal on the board about apprenticeship and vocational training. Check out Germany and Sweden. Notice that the special education students have their own schools.
Education in Sweden

How To Germany - German School System

But, many would not be going to a university anyway.​

That is true. Most jobs do not require college although many require technical education.

It used to be that a high school graduate could get a job almost anywhere and could buy a house. (If the minimum wage of the '60s was adjusted for inflation, it would be something like $22.00/hr.)

Since then many government and business decisions, based on greed and corruption, have kicked the ladder out from under our economy.

What do we do to get our economy running again. The so called stimulus merely put on a band aid without addressing the root problems.

Years ago we used to have vo-tech in high schools. The option was there. It still exists in some states. Then we had these for profit colleges pop up charging out the yin-yang for what amounts to an unnecessary degree. Daycare worker? Line cook? These people leave with these hefty loans and crash and burn because there are no jobs or the jobs they get pay minimum wage. Now the schools are feeling the heat somewhat. But not enough.

The wealthy have always had access to education. The talk is on higher education public schools. The private universities still function. It makes no sense not to examine the issue.

They still have the vo-tech in some high schools. It's a real good deal for everyone too. If you don't think the trades are a good vocation, just call a plumber, electrician. heating and air conditioning repairman, or take your auto to a mechanic.

That's what I am talking about. A lot of schools took that out and then tried to turn it into a for profit school.

There are a lot of kids that want to go into the trades but they don't know how. A lot of stuff that the for profit colleges offer, kids used to have access to in high school. Screw 'em. Put them back in the high schools if possible. The for profit schools can exist but the job could be better done and less expensive all the way around with the schools having their own vo-tech.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You would have to rearrange the education system. It would please many on both sides. But, many would not be going to a university anyway.

Look at the structure and where it begins to branch off. Now, I know that we have a history hear but it does not have to take the same route. Further, recognizing that unwise decisions are made at a young age, many countries have created an option to backtrack and return to college.

There are people that have been vocal on the board about apprenticeship and vocational training. Check out Germany and Sweden. Notice that the special education students have their own schools.
Education in Sweden

How To Germany - German School System

But, many would not be going to a university anyway.​

That is true. Most jobs do not require college although many require technical education.

It used to be that a high school graduate could get a job almost anywhere and could buy a house. (If the minimum wage of the '60s was adjusted for inflation, it would be something like $22.00/hr.)

Since then many government and business decisions, based on greed and corruption, have kicked the ladder out from under our economy.

What do we do to get our economy running again. The so called stimulus merely put on a band aid without addressing the root problems.

Indeed. Some of the wealthiest people I know are in the trades industry. I know a couple of Heating and Air Conditioning firms that must be running twenty trucks all over three counties. Plumbers make as much money as staff doctors.

Indeed, one of my millionaire friend is an electrical contractor. I can't blame him for that. That is the American dream. He pays his help well and leaves behind him schools, hospitals, and stadiums. He is an asset to our economy.

The rich that I bitch about are those who leave nothing behind but poverty and desolation.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

U.S. Uncut ^ | September 27, 2015 | Hugh Wharton
This interview is amazing.As the Bernie Sanders campaign surges, the socialist senator continues to bring the national conversation back from the right after 30 years of bellicose class war rhetoric. In the clip below, he shames those (including Jeb Bush) who would cut taxes for the rich while stripping Social Security. Sanders states clearly that every other industrialized country invests in their own citizens and children and it’s high time that we followed suit. While Sanders is heavily-criticized for identifying as a democratic socialist, he embraces the label. Sanders says countries that abide by the principles of democratic socialism, like...

Pretty sure community colleges started as free. And we have free healthcare for the military, and politicians. But somehow for anyone else it's "socialist." So we have a socialist military and government and that's okay?

 

[Uncensored2008]

That's what I am talking about. A lot of schools took that out and then tried to turn it into a for profit school.

There are a lot of kids that want to go into the trades but they don't know how. A lot of stuff that the for profit colleges offer kids used to have access to in high school. Screw 'em. Put them back in the high schools if possible. The for profit schools can exist but the job could be better done and less expensive all the way around with the schools having their own vo-tech.

I used to work for the Hacienda La Puente USD, which had an excellent vocational program. The only problem was that it was for the adult school only.

 

[Andylusion]

You would have to rearrange the education system. It would please many on both sides. But, many would not be going to a university anyway.

Look at the structure and where it begins to branch off. Now, I know that we have a history hear but it does not have to take the same route. Further, recognizing that unwise decisions are made at a young age, many countries have created an option to backtrack and return to college.

There are people that have been vocal on the board about apprenticeship and vocational training. Check out Germany and Sweden. Notice that the special education students have their own schools.
Education in Sweden

How To Germany - German School System

But, many would not be going to a university anyway.​

That is true. Most jobs do not require college although many require technical education.

It used to be that a high school graduate could get a job almost anywhere and could buy a house. (If the minimum wage of the '60s was adjusted for inflation, it would be something like $22.00/hr.)

Since then many government and business decisions, based on greed and corruption, have kicked the ladder out from under our economy.

What do we do to get our economy running again. The so called stimulus merely put on a band aid without addressing the root problems.

Years ago we used to have vo-tech in high schools. The option was there. It still exists in some states. Then we had these for profit colleges pop up charging out the yin-yang for what amounts to an unnecessary degree. Daycare worker? Line cook? These people leave with these hefty loans and crash and burn because there are no jobs or the jobs they get pay minimum wage. Now the schools are feeling the heat somewhat. But not enough.

The wealthy have always had access to education. The talk is on higher education public schools. The private universities still function. It makes no sense not to examine the issue.

They still have the vo-tech in some high schools. It's a real good deal for everyone too. If you don't think the trades are a good vocation, just call a plumber, electrician. heating and air conditioning repairman, or take your auto to a mechanic.

That's what I am talking about. A lot of schools took that out and then tried to turn it into a for profit school.

There are a lot of kids that want to go into the trades but they don't know how. A lot of stuff that the for profit colleges offer, kids used to have access to in high school. Screw 'em. Put them back in the high schools if possible. The for profit schools can exist but the job could be better done and less expensive all the way around with the schools having their own vo-tech.

The solution is simple, and obvious to me. Just issue vouchers. Issue every child a school voucher. Then if vo-tech is the way to go, or trade-skill is the way to go, then they can take that voucher to the whatever school they want. Their parents can make up whatever difference.

You act like people don't know how to do this... what are you smoking?

When I worked at Columbus Cadillac in down town Columbus Ohio, we had a guy work the car wash, who used his money to get trained in welding. He's now a master welder for a big name company. He's doing just fine.

Come on people.... Work... earn money... pay for education. You don't need a Ph.D in self improvement to do this.

This couple came here from Laos, got training in CNC machining, while working crappy jobs in fast food joints. Now they make $100K together.

This isn't super hard. You just have to do it. It takes time, effort, and attitude. You have an entitlement belief system, and you'll never make it anywhere. People who think they should be given stuff because "I'm an American, and I deserve everything because Sanders said I was entitled to it......" and you are going to end up a train wreck.

 

[Andylusion]

You would have to rearrange the education system. It would please many on both sides. But, many would not be going to a university anyway.

Look at the structure and where it begins to branch off. Now, I know that we have a history hear but it does not have to take the same route. Further, recognizing that unwise decisions are made at a young age, many countries have created an option to backtrack and return to college.

There are people that have been vocal on the board about apprenticeship and vocational training. Check out Germany and Sweden. Notice that the special education students have their own schools.
Education in Sweden

How To Germany - German School System

But, many would not be going to a university anyway.​

That is true. Most jobs do not require college although many require technical education.

It used to be that a high school graduate could get a job almost anywhere and could buy a house. (If the minimum wage of the '60s was adjusted for inflation, it would be something like $22.00/hr.)

Since then many government and business decisions, based on greed and corruption, have kicked the ladder out from under our economy.

What do we do to get our economy running again. The so called stimulus merely put on a band aid without addressing the root problems.

Indeed. Some of the wealthiest people I know are in the trades industry. I know a couple of Heating and Air Conditioning firms that must be running twenty trucks all over three counties. Plumbers make as much money as staff doctors.

Indeed, one of my millionaire friend is an electrical contractor. I can't blame him for that. That is the American dream. He pays his help well and leaves behind him schools, hospitals, and stadiums. He is an asset to our economy.

The rich that I bitch about are those who leave nothing behind but poverty and desolation.

I would say that most fit the first category. What example would you give for the second?

 

[the_human_being]

You would have to rearrange the education system. It would please many on both sides. But, many would not be going to a university anyway.

Look at the structure and where it begins to branch off. Now, I know that we have a history hear but it does not have to take the same route. Further, recognizing that unwise decisions are made at a young age, many countries have created an option to backtrack and return to college.

There are people that have been vocal on the board about apprenticeship and vocational training. Check out Germany and Sweden. Notice that the special education students have their own schools.
Education in Sweden

How To Germany - German School System

But, many would not be going to a university anyway.​

That is true. Most jobs do not require college although many require technical education.

It used to be that a high school graduate could get a job almost anywhere and could buy a house. (If the minimum wage of the '60s was adjusted for inflation, it would be something like $22.00/hr.)

Since then many government and business decisions, based on greed and corruption, have kicked the ladder out from under our economy.

What do we do to get our economy running again. The so called stimulus merely put on a band aid without addressing the root problems.

Indeed. Some of the wealthiest people I know are in the trades industry. I know a couple of Heating and Air Conditioning firms that must be running twenty trucks all over three counties. Plumbers make as much money as staff doctors.

Indeed, one of my millionaire friend is an electrical contractor. I can't blame him for that. That is the American dream. He pays his help well and leaves behind him schools, hospitals, and stadiums. He is an asset to our economy.

The rich that I bitch about are those who leave nothing behind but poverty and desolation.

What are you leaving behind? I don't know anyone who is intentionally leaving behind poverty and desolation. Whom are you speaking about here?

 

[Disir]

You would have to rearrange the education system. It would please many on both sides. But, many would not be going to a university anyway.

Look at the structure and where it begins to branch off. Now, I know that we have a history hear but it does not have to take the same route. Further, recognizing that unwise decisions are made at a young age, many countries have created an option to backtrack and return to college.

There are people that have been vocal on the board about apprenticeship and vocational training. Check out Germany and Sweden. Notice that the special education students have their own schools.
Education in Sweden

How To Germany - German School System

But, many would not be going to a university anyway.​

That is true. Most jobs do not require college although many require technical education.

It used to be that a high school graduate could get a job almost anywhere and could buy a house. (If the minimum wage of the '60s was adjusted for inflation, it would be something like $22.00/hr.)

Since then many government and business decisions, based on greed and corruption, have kicked the ladder out from under our economy.

What do we do to get our economy running again. The so called stimulus merely put on a band aid without addressing the root problems.

Years ago we used to have vo-tech in high schools. The option was there. It still exists in some states. Then we had these for profit colleges pop up charging out the yin-yang for what amounts to an unnecessary degree. Daycare worker? Line cook? These people leave with these hefty loans and crash and burn because there are no jobs or the jobs they get pay minimum wage. Now the schools are feeling the heat somewhat. But not enough.

The wealthy have always had access to education. The talk is on higher education public schools. The private universities still function. It makes no sense not to examine the issue.

They still have the vo-tech in some high schools. It's a real good deal for everyone too. If you don't think the trades are a good vocation, just call a plumber, electrician. heating and air conditioning repairman, or take your auto to a mechanic.

That's what I am talking about. A lot of schools took that out and then tried to turn it into a for profit school.

There are a lot of kids that want to go into the trades but they don't know how. A lot of stuff that the for profit colleges offer, kids used to have access to in high school. Screw 'em. Put them back in the high schools if possible. The for profit schools can exist but the job could be better done and less expensive all the way around with the schools having their own vo-tech.

The solution is simple, and obvious to me. Just issue vouchers. Issue every child a school voucher. Then if vo-tech is the way to go, or trade-skill is the way to go, then they can take that voucher to the whatever school they want. Their parents can make up whatever difference.

You act like people don't know how to do this... what are you smoking?

When I worked at Columbus Cadillac in down town Columbus Ohio, we had a guy work the car wash, who used his money to get trained in welding. He's now a master welder for a big name company. He's doing just fine.

Come on people.... Work... earn money... pay for education. You don't need a Ph.D in self improvement to do this.

This couple came here from Laos, got training in CNC machining, while working crappy jobs in fast food joints. Now they make $100K together.

This isn't super hard. You just have to do it. It takes time, effort, and attitude. You have an entitlement belief system, and you'll never make it anywhere. People who think they should be given stuff because "I'm an American, and I deserve everything because Sanders said I was entitled to it......" and you are going to end up a train wreck.

The voucher program is a rip off. I'm over every little jack off coming along to rip off the public education system---which is, I remind you, for the public.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Single payer health care would cover everyone for less than we are paying now.

How can we expect to stay on top of the world economy if we treat education as an extra cost option?

Yeah, that's what you jackasses said about Obamacare, and now it costs way more and we're still hearing the exact same sob stories about "poor people who can't get healthcare".

Why in the hell should we take you lying sacks seriously again?

 

[the_human_being]

You would have to rearrange the education system. It would please many on both sides. But, many would not be going to a university anyway.

Look at the structure and where it begins to branch off. Now, I know that we have a history hear but it does not have to take the same route. Further, recognizing that unwise decisions are made at a young age, many countries have created an option to backtrack and return to college.

There are people that have been vocal on the board about apprenticeship and vocational training. Check out Germany and Sweden. Notice that the special education students have their own schools.
Education in Sweden

How To Germany - German School System

But, many would not be going to a university anyway.​

That is true. Most jobs do not require college although many require technical education.

It used to be that a high school graduate could get a job almost anywhere and could buy a house. (If the minimum wage of the '60s was adjusted for inflation, it would be something like $22.00/hr.)

Since then many government and business decisions, based on greed and corruption, have kicked the ladder out from under our economy.

What do we do to get our economy running again. The so called stimulus merely put on a band aid without addressing the root problems.

Years ago we used to have vo-tech in high schools. The option was there. It still exists in some states. Then we had these for profit colleges pop up charging out the yin-yang for what amounts to an unnecessary degree. Daycare worker? Line cook? These people leave with these hefty loans and crash and burn because there are no jobs or the jobs they get pay minimum wage. Now the schools are feeling the heat somewhat. But not enough.

The wealthy have always had access to education. The talk is on higher education public schools. The private universities still function. It makes no sense not to examine the issue.

They still have the vo-tech in some high schools. It's a real good deal for everyone too. If you don't think the trades are a good vocation, just call a plumber, electrician. heating and air conditioning repairman, or take your auto to a mechanic.

That's what I am talking about. A lot of schools took that out and then tried to turn it into a for profit school.

There are a lot of kids that want to go into the trades but they don't know how. A lot of stuff that the for profit colleges offer, kids used to have access to in high school. Screw 'em. Put them back in the high schools if possible. The for profit schools can exist but the job could be better done and less expensive all the way around with the schools having their own vo-tech.

Well, I guess it helps to have a vo-tech school nearby so the kids can be bussed from the high school over to the vo-tech. I know one vo-tech where the kids are bussed in from high schools 20 miles away.

 

[the_human_being]

To be honest though, the military is really not a bad deal. A young person can get paid, get room and board, and learn a skill that will work in civilian life and/or earn college benefits.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You would have to rearrange the education system. It would please many on both sides. But, many would not be going to a university anyway.

Look at the structure and where it begins to branch off. Now, I know that we have a history hear but it does not have to take the same route. Further, recognizing that unwise decisions are made at a young age, many countries have created an option to backtrack and return to college.

There are people that have been vocal on the board about apprenticeship and vocational training. Check out Germany and Sweden. Notice that the special education students have their own schools.
Education in Sweden

How To Germany - German School System

But, many would not be going to a university anyway.​

That is true. Most jobs do not require college although many require technical education.

It used to be that a high school graduate could get a job almost anywhere and could buy a house. (If the minimum wage of the '60s was adjusted for inflation, it would be something like $22.00/hr.)

Since then many government and business decisions, based on greed and corruption, have kicked the ladder out from under our economy.

What do we do to get our economy running again. The so called stimulus merely put on a band aid without addressing the root problems.

Indeed. Some of the wealthiest people I know are in the trades industry. I know a couple of Heating and Air Conditioning firms that must be running twenty trucks all over three counties. Plumbers make as much money as staff doctors.

Indeed, one of my millionaire friend is an electrical contractor. I can't blame him for that. That is the American dream. He pays his help well and leaves behind him schools, hospitals, and stadiums. He is an asset to our economy.

The rich that I bitch about are those who leave nothing behind but poverty and desolation.

I would say that most fit the first category. What example would you give for the second?

Good question. Do they produce wealth and benefit our economy, or do they just grab money?

It seems that the more someone gets, above a reasonable amount, the more they are separated from the creation of wealth. Then they just become a burden on our economy

 

[Andylusion]

You would have to rearrange the education system. It would please many on both sides. But, many would not be going to a university anyway.

Look at the structure and where it begins to branch off. Now, I know that we have a history hear but it does not have to take the same route. Further, recognizing that unwise decisions are made at a young age, many countries have created an option to backtrack and return to college.

There are people that have been vocal on the board about apprenticeship and vocational training. Check out Germany and Sweden. Notice that the special education students have their own schools.
Education in Sweden

How To Germany - German School System

But, many would not be going to a university anyway.​

That is true. Most jobs do not require college although many require technical education.

It used to be that a high school graduate could get a job almost anywhere and could buy a house. (If the minimum wage of the '60s was adjusted for inflation, it would be something like $22.00/hr.)

Since then many government and business decisions, based on greed and corruption, have kicked the ladder out from under our economy.

What do we do to get our economy running again. The so called stimulus merely put on a band aid without addressing the root problems.

Indeed. Some of the wealthiest people I know are in the trades industry. I know a couple of Heating and Air Conditioning firms that must be running twenty trucks all over three counties. Plumbers make as much money as staff doctors.

Indeed, one of my millionaire friend is an electrical contractor. I can't blame him for that. That is the American dream. He pays his help well and leaves behind him schools, hospitals, and stadiums. He is an asset to our economy.

The rich that I bitch about are those who leave nothing behind but poverty and desolation.

I would say that most fit the first category. What example would you give for the second?

Good question. Do they produce wealth and benefit our economy, or do they just grab money?

It seems that the more someone gets, above a reasonable amount, the more they are separated from the creation of wealth. Then they just become a burden on our economy

Who? What example would you cite? Someone somewhere.... not sure who, but someone?

Give me some names. Who?

 

[Disir]

You would have to rearrange the education system. It would please many on both sides. But, many would not be going to a university anyway.

Look at the structure and where it begins to branch off. Now, I know that we have a history hear but it does not have to take the same route. Further, recognizing that unwise decisions are made at a young age, many countries have created an option to backtrack and return to college.

There are people that have been vocal on the board about apprenticeship and vocational training. Check out Germany and Sweden. Notice that the special education students have their own schools.
Education in Sweden

How To Germany - German School System

But, many would not be going to a university anyway.​

That is true. Most jobs do not require college although many require technical education.

It used to be that a high school graduate could get a job almost anywhere and could buy a house. (If the minimum wage of the '60s was adjusted for inflation, it would be something like $22.00/hr.)

Since then many government and business decisions, based on greed and corruption, have kicked the ladder out from under our economy.

What do we do to get our economy running again. The so called stimulus merely put on a band aid without addressing the root problems.

Years ago we used to have vo-tech in high schools. The option was there. It still exists in some states. Then we had these for profit colleges pop up charging out the yin-yang for what amounts to an unnecessary degree. Daycare worker? Line cook? These people leave with these hefty loans and crash and burn because there are no jobs or the jobs they get pay minimum wage. Now the schools are feeling the heat somewhat. But not enough.

The wealthy have always had access to education. The talk is on higher education public schools. The private universities still function. It makes no sense not to examine the issue.

They still have the vo-tech in some high schools. It's a real good deal for everyone too. If you don't think the trades are a good vocation, just call a plumber, electrician. heating and air conditioning repairman, or take your auto to a mechanic.

That's what I am talking about. A lot of schools took that out and then tried to turn it into a for profit school.

There are a lot of kids that want to go into the trades but they don't know how. A lot of stuff that the for profit colleges offer, kids used to have access to in high school. Screw 'em. Put them back in the high schools if possible. The for profit schools can exist but the job could be better done and less expensive all the way around with the schools having their own vo-tech.

Well, I guess it helps to have a vo-tech school nearby so the kids can be bussed from the high school over to the vo-tech. I know one vo-tech where the kids are bussed in from high schools 20 miles away.

It doesn't have to be that way. I think the primary hold up is that there is a fear of what is called "tracking" and kids are pushed or guided into vocational pursuits because of race, gender and class status. It was a very real and very huge problem.

 

[P F Tinmore]

But, many would not be going to a university anyway.​

That is true. Most jobs do not require college although many require technical education.

It used to be that a high school graduate could get a job almost anywhere and could buy a house. (If the minimum wage of the '60s was adjusted for inflation, it would be something like $22.00/hr.)

Since then many government and business decisions, based on greed and corruption, have kicked the ladder out from under our economy.

What do we do to get our economy running again. The so called stimulus merely put on a band aid without addressing the root problems.

Years ago we used to have vo-tech in high schools. The option was there. It still exists in some states. Then we had these for profit colleges pop up charging out the yin-yang for what amounts to an unnecessary degree. Daycare worker? Line cook? These people leave with these hefty loans and crash and burn because there are no jobs or the jobs they get pay minimum wage. Now the schools are feeling the heat somewhat. But not enough.

The wealthy have always had access to education. The talk is on higher education public schools. The private universities still function. It makes no sense not to examine the issue.

They still have the vo-tech in some high schools. It's a real good deal for everyone too. If you don't think the trades are a good vocation, just call a plumber, electrician. heating and air conditioning repairman, or take your auto to a mechanic.

That's what I am talking about. A lot of schools took that out and then tried to turn it into a for profit school.

There are a lot of kids that want to go into the trades but they don't know how. A lot of stuff that the for profit colleges offer, kids used to have access to in high school. Screw 'em. Put them back in the high schools if possible. The for profit schools can exist but the job could be better done and less expensive all the way around with the schools having their own vo-tech.

The solution is simple, and obvious to me. Just issue vouchers. Issue every child a school voucher. Then if vo-tech is the way to go, or trade-skill is the way to go, then they can take that voucher to the whatever school they want. Their parents can make up whatever difference.

You act like people don't know how to do this... what are you smoking?

When I worked at Columbus Cadillac in down town Columbus Ohio, we had a guy work the car wash, who used his money to get trained in welding. He's now a master welder for a big name company. He's doing just fine.

Come on people.... Work... earn money... pay for education. You don't need a Ph.D in self improvement to do this.

This couple came here from Laos, got training in CNC machining, while working crappy jobs in fast food joints. Now they make $100K together.

This isn't super hard. You just have to do it. It takes time, effort, and attitude. You have an entitlement belief system, and you'll never make it anywhere. People who think they should be given stuff because "I'm an American, and I deserve everything because Sanders said I was entitled to it......" and you are going to end up a train wreck.

The voucher program is a rip off. I'm over every little jack off coming along to rip off the public education system---which is, I remind you, for the public.

The mantra is that you can send your kids to a private school like the rich people.

Then they give you a voucher that wouldn't buy lunch in a real private school.

 

[Andylusion]

To be honest though, the military is really not a bad deal. A young person can get paid, get room and board, and learn a skill that will work in civilian life and/or earn college benefits.

Cheapest way to earn an upper class income, go to the Navy, work on Nuclear sub, learn nuclear power operator. You come out, and you can earn $70,000, and top out at $120,000 a year. And think about it... they pay you to train you on doing this job.

The down side is you'll be working at a nuclear power plant.... but name another job that has you monitoring read outs in a chair, earning $120,000?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Single payer health care would cover everyone for less than we are paying now.

How can we expect to stay on top of the world economy if we treat education as an extra cost option?

Yeah, that's what you jackasses said about Obamacare, and now it costs way more and we're still hearing the exact same sob stories about "poor people who can't get healthcare".

Why in the hell should we take you lying sacks seriously again?

Obamacare is the most expensive and most convoluted system possible. It was written by insurance companies to pack their pockets with your money.

I have heard it called fascistcare. It is another example of corporate welfare.

 

[Andylusion]

But, many would not be going to a university anyway.​

That is true. Most jobs do not require college although many require technical education.

It used to be that a high school graduate could get a job almost anywhere and could buy a house. (If the minimum wage of the '60s was adjusted for inflation, it would be something like $22.00/hr.)

Since then many government and business decisions, based on greed and corruption, have kicked the ladder out from under our economy.

What do we do to get our economy running again. The so called stimulus merely put on a band aid without addressing the root problems.

Years ago we used to have vo-tech in high schools. The option was there. It still exists in some states. Then we had these for profit colleges pop up charging out the yin-yang for what amounts to an unnecessary degree. Daycare worker? Line cook? These people leave with these hefty loans and crash and burn because there are no jobs or the jobs they get pay minimum wage. Now the schools are feeling the heat somewhat. But not enough.

The wealthy have always had access to education. The talk is on higher education public schools. The private universities still function. It makes no sense not to examine the issue.

They still have the vo-tech in some high schools. It's a real good deal for everyone too. If you don't think the trades are a good vocation, just call a plumber, electrician. heating and air conditioning repairman, or take your auto to a mechanic.

That's what I am talking about. A lot of schools took that out and then tried to turn it into a for profit school.

There are a lot of kids that want to go into the trades but they don't know how. A lot of stuff that the for profit colleges offer, kids used to have access to in high school. Screw 'em. Put them back in the high schools if possible. The for profit schools can exist but the job could be better done and less expensive all the way around with the schools having their own vo-tech.

The solution is simple, and obvious to me. Just issue vouchers. Issue every child a school voucher. Then if vo-tech is the way to go, or trade-skill is the way to go, then they can take that voucher to the whatever school they want. Their parents can make up whatever difference.

You act like people don't know how to do this... what are you smoking?

When I worked at Columbus Cadillac in down town Columbus Ohio, we had a guy work the car wash, who used his money to get trained in welding. He's now a master welder for a big name company. He's doing just fine.

Come on people.... Work... earn money... pay for education. You don't need a Ph.D in self improvement to do this.

This couple came here from Laos, got training in CNC machining, while working crappy jobs in fast food joints. Now they make $100K together.

This isn't super hard. You just have to do it. It takes time, effort, and attitude. You have an entitlement belief system, and you'll never make it anywhere. People who think they should be given stuff because "I'm an American, and I deserve everything because Sanders said I was entitled to it......" and you are going to end up a train wreck.

The voucher program is a rip off. I'm over every little jack off coming along to rip off the public education system---which is, I remind you, for the public.

But is sucks. The system could be "for the people" or "for the public" or "for whatever benevolent altruistic belief system we want".

None of that matters. Does it work? Is it good? No it is not. Public education is terrible.

The system needs completely dismantled and replaced. It's rotten to the common core.

 

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Single payer health care would cover everyone for less than we are paying now.

How can we expect to stay on top of the world economy if we treat education as an extra cost option?

Yeah, that's what you jackasses said about Obamacare, and now it costs way more and we're still hearing the exact same sob stories about "poor people who can't get healthcare".

Why in the hell should we take you lying sacks seriously again?

Obamacare is the most expensive and most convoluted system possible. It was written by insurance companies to pack their pockets with your money.

I have heard it called fascistcare. It is another example of corporate welfare.

The insurance companies fought it. I think if they wrote the law, it'd be much different. Possibly worse... maybe better... who knows. But you can't say they wrote it, when they opposed it.