Santorum Accuses Obama Of 'Snobbery' For Wanting All U.S. Kids To Attend College

[Photonic]

I could call the government of Somolia a lot of things...but "liberal" isn't one of them.

That's because you have a naive understanding of liberalism.

Last I checked one of the core concepts of modern liberalism is the social contract.

Would you please provide evidence of Somalia having a social contract.

 

[Photonic]

Yes and no. From his perspective, that of a Monarchist in love with Dynastic rule, Somalia is sort of left leaning.

His preference would have been that America lose it's revolution and we still be living under the rule of royalty.

But watcha gonna do?

If you examine the historical record, monarchies have performed better than democracies. They consumed less of the country's wealth and allowed their citizens more individual freedom. They also enjoyed greater economic growth.

I would prefer it if the Constitution had never been adopted and we remained under the articles of Confederation. Creating a federal government is the biggest mistake this country ever made.

The Articles of Confederation failed for a reason. When was the last time you took history? This is common knowledge!

 

[R.C. Christian]

We need more trade schools. We don't need another graduate with a major in business or 18th century french literature and 50K in greedy banker debt pandered by the chocolate presidunce's filthy Wall-Street buddies.

 

[bripat9643]

That's just pure horseshit. What you had is a federal government that looked the other way when union thugs beat up anyone who crossed a picket line.

And that would be a bad thing, why?

ROFL! So you're admitting that you support thugs who use violence against innocent people?

 

[thereisnospoon]

Obama IS ahn elitist snob. He's been handed everything in his life.

He has never worked a DAY in his life.

lol

Somehow, I don't remember you applying that same standard to President Bush.

We're not discussing Bush. You people on the left are intellectually vacant.
There is not a debate that goes by without you people mentioning Bush 43.

 

[J.E.D]

Does 100% of the population need to attend college?

I believe what Obama said was that all kids should have the OPPORTUNITY to attend college; but even if he did say that all kids should attend college, would that really be such a bad thing to strive for? Good grief, this couintry is in deep trouble.

And what Santorum is saying is that college isn't for everyone. That doesn't make him a nutcase. That makes him a realist. Barack Obama has the classic "intellectual's" bias that anyone who hasn't gone to college is an idiot who's point of view shouldn't count as heavily as theirs. Funny how it's the "idiot" that the intellectual usually calls to fix their plumbing, electrical wiring or car engine when they stop working because they don't have a clue what to do. It's just one more example of why THIS President is so sorely out of touch with the country he lives in. He doesn't understand blue collar people because he's never been a blue collar person or been in contact with them. He was raised in privileged circumstances and attended an exclusive private school. Oh, he purports to speak for the lower classes and minorities but he has nothing in common with them. He's a golf playing prep school nerd who used Affirmative Action to overcome his early "stoner" college work to get into some of the best colleges in the country and then parlay that into a lifetime of cushy jobs. Is it any wonder that he thinks EVERYONE should go to college? Sure beats working for a living...right Barack?

Oh, give me a break. You know very well why I criticised Santorum. It wasn't because he thinks that all kids aren't equipped for college. He's welcome to that opinion, and he may be right. My criticism is the way he criticised Obama. To call the POTUS (or anybody for that matter) an elitist or a snob because he thinks it's a worthy goal for all kids to have the opportunity to attend college, is beyond stupid and beyond petty. It's just one more example of Republicans attacking Obama no matter what he says. Obama didn't infer that electricians and plumbers are 'idiots'. Your ridiculous hyperbole fits right in with Santorum and the general mindset of the far-right. Get a fucking grip.

 

[bripat9643]

Last I checked one of the core concepts of modern liberalism is the social contract.

Would you please provide evidence of Somalia having a social contract.

Can you provide evidence of the USA having a social contract?

 

[bripat9643]

The Articles of Confederation failed for a reason. When was the last time you took history? This is common knowledge!

They didn't "fail." They were simply discarded. The fact that certain power hungry statists didn't like them doesn't equate to failure.

 

[JoeB131]

That's just pure horseshit. What you had is a federal government that looked the other way when union thugs beat up anyone who crossed a picket line.

And that would be a bad thing, why?

ROFL! So you're admitting that you support thugs who use violence against innocent people?

If you're crossing a picket line, you are not "innocent".

 

[bripat9643]

Your explanation of the facts doesn't seem to be accurate. The company grew rapidly after it was purchased by Bain Capital. Of course, when do liberals ever post facts?

Ampad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Guy, you need to do some real research... AmPad was looted by Bain.

They went bankrupt, while Bain walked out with a $50 million dollar profit.

According to your own source, the cause of Ampad's demise was foreign and domestic competition, not Bain Capital.

Sales grew, too - for a while. But by the late 1990s, foreign competition and increased buying power by superstores like Bain-funded Staples sliced Ampad's revenues.

 

[bripat9643]

And that would be a bad thing, why?

ROFL! So you're admitting that you support thugs who use violence against innocent people?

If you're crossing a picket line, you are not "innocent".

Are you breaking the law?

 

[JoeB131]

Your explanation of the facts doesn't seem to be accurate. The company grew rapidly after it was purchased by Bain Capital. Of course, when do liberals ever post facts?

Ampad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Guy, you need to do some real research... AmPad was looted by Bain.

They went bankrupt, while Bain walked out with a $50 million dollar profit.

According to your own source, the cause of Ampad's demise was foreign and domestic competition, not Bain Capital.

Sales grew, too - for a while. But by the late 1990s, foreign competition and increased buying power by superstores like Bain-funded Staples sliced Ampad's revenues.

So you find one sentence and ignore all the other ones that indicate Bain's conduct was a large part of the problem- including their buying of other companies in the same feild...

 

[JoeB131]

ROFL! So you're admitting that you support thugs who use violence against innocent people?

If you're crossing a picket line, you are not "innocent".

Are you breaking the law?

If I walk up to you in a bar and say insulting things about your mother's virtue, I'm probably not breaking the law, but I'd better be prepared to inflict or recieve an ass-kicking.

You cross a picket line and try to steal food off someone else's table, be prepared for the same.

The problem is, unions stopped doing that sort of thing, and they've been in decline ever since.

 

[Photonic]

Last I checked one of the core concepts of modern liberalism is the social contract.

Would you please provide evidence of Somalia having a social contract.

Can you provide evidence of the USA having a social contract?

Yea. Our tax code.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

They didn't "fail." They were simply discarded. The fact that certain power hungry statists didn't like them doesn't equate to failure.

Whatever.

The fact remains the Articles weren’t adequate for a modern Nation, thank goodness they were discarded.

 

[Katzndogz]

This bears repeating.

No, Class Warfare is when someone who was born wealthy goes into a company like GST or AmPad and puts a bunch of working stiff out of good paying jobs so that his company can make a profit

To keep running the company into bankruptcy just so these working stiffs could have a good paying job is not only a form of welfare, it is so counter productive that it will kill the company. So what if EVERYONE loses their jobs and the company folds. Liberals want all those evil companies dead and everyone unemployed because the company went under.

If a company does not make a profit, it is closed. Everyone is let go, the assets are sold off and it's over. That's okay. The goal is that companies should be deprived of profits. Even if it kills them.

Sometimes there is nothing to be done, all the financial surgery in the world won't save tht failure. It goes off to corporate death. Sometimes cutting off deadwood increases efficiency and productivity. The company grows. It hires three times the number of people it had to let go while it healed from the damage.

Mitt Romney has a lot to be proud of in turning companies around. He has a lot to be proud of in knowing what cuts to make and where. Just like any surgeon who amputates a diseased leg. This is a reason to vote for him, not to vote for obaabaa.

The problem was, these companies didn't "make a profit", they went under.

AmPad is instructive. When Mittens and his boys went in there, the company was selling at $35.00 a share and had 11 million in debt. When they were done, they laid hundreds of people off, the company declared bankruptcy after being saddled with 400 million dollars of debt from other Bain adventures, and the stock was reduced to junk bond status. They managed to pay them millions in "management fees" for this brilliance, though.

Democrats target Mitt Romney’s role concerning job cuts while at Bain - Political Intelligence - A national political and campaign blog from The Boston Globe - Boston.com

The person really responsible for the failure of AmPad was the retard who made the decision to buy a typewriter factory. The second person responsible was the union retard that started a strike on a company that was failing. There's BRILLIANCE for you. I notice that Romney did not intervene in AmPad's self-destruction on the advice of his lawyers. Bain was nothing more than a holding company. If the people really responsible for AmPad wanted to kill it, Bain wasn't going to stop such seriousness. What Romney was accused of was not doing enough to settle the strike. Such as, maybe having a company already failing agree to union demands for more benefits!

The American Pad and Paper company was acquired by Bain Capital, the venture capital firm Romney oversaw, in 1992. Two years later, Ampad bought an office supplies division, including a Marion, Ind., plant of typewriter maker Smith Corona. After a bitter strike, Ampad shuttered the plant in 1995, moving equipment and production to other factories.

Johnson, a union official at the plant, wrote a personal letter to Romney in early 1995, saying that Romney had not done enough to settle the strike, the Globe reported in 2008 .

“We really thought you might help,” Johnson said in the handwritten note, “but instead we heard excuses that were unacceptable from a man of your prominent position.”

Seems like if all those people lost their jobs when AmPad folded, the ones you really should be looking at for blame are the unions.

 

[bripat9643]

According to your own source, the cause of Ampad's demise was foreign and domestic competition, not Bain Capital.

Sales grew, too - for a while. But by the late 1990s, foreign competition and increased buying power by superstores like Bain-funded Staples sliced Ampad's revenues.

So you find one sentence and ignore all the other ones that indicate Bain's conduct was a large part of the problem- including their buying of other companies in the same feild...

The facts aren't what you initially claimed. They are quite a bit more complex. Was Bain ultimately responsible for Ampad's demise? Perhaps, but I don't see any evidence that Bain deliberately tried to destroy the company. Mismanagement is about the worst thing they are guilty of, and companies that go south because of mismanagement are a dime a dozen. I've worked for several such companies.

 

[bripat9643]

They didn't "fail." They were simply discarded. The fact that certain power hungry statists didn't like them doesn't equate to failure.

Whatever.

The fact remains the Articles weren’t adequate for a modern Nation, thank goodness they were discarded.

You mean they weren't adequate for an empire populated by subjects. They were perfectly adequate for a nation of free people who simply wanted to be left alone.

 

[bripat9643]

Can you provide evidence of the USA having a social contract?

Yea. Our tax code.

When did I agree to that?

 

[candycorn]

I believe what Obama said was that all kids should have the OPPORTUNITY to attend college; but even if he did say that all kids should attend college, would that really be such a bad thing to strive for? Good grief, this couintry is in deep trouble.

And what Santorum is saying is that college isn't for everyone. That doesn't make him a nutcase. That makes him a realist. Barack Obama has the classic "intellectual's" bias that anyone who hasn't gone to college is an idiot who's point of view shouldn't count as heavily as theirs. Funny how it's the "idiot" that the intellectual usually calls to fix their plumbing, electrical wiring or car engine when they stop working because they don't have a clue what to do. It's just one more example of why THIS President is so sorely out of touch with the country he lives in. He doesn't understand blue collar people because he's never been a blue collar person or been in contact with them. He was raised in privileged circumstances and attended an exclusive private school. Oh, he purports to speak for the lower classes and minorities but he has nothing in common with them. He's a golf playing prep school nerd who used Affirmative Action to overcome his early "stoner" college work to get into some of the best colleges in the country and then parlay that into a lifetime of cushy jobs. Is it any wonder that he thinks EVERYONE should go to college? Sure beats working for a living...right Barack?

Oh, give me a break. You know very well why I criticised Santorum. It wasn't because he thinks that all kids aren't equipped for college. He's welcome to that opinion, and he may be right. My criticism is the way he criticised Obama. To call the POTUS (or anybody for that matter) an elitist or a snob because he thinks it's a worthy goal for all kids to have the opportunity to attend college, is beyond stupid and beyond petty. It's just one more example of Republicans attacking Obama no matter what he says. Obama didn't infer that electricians and plumbers are 'idiots'. Your ridiculous hyperbole fits right in with Santorum and the general mindset of the far-right. Get a fucking grip.

And now...if you go to college you don't "work for a living".

Un f'ing believable.