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It's not easy when the president decides when he is allowed to be investigated.If only you could demonstrate this is the case here - eh?Who polices the police?
If a cop is using their authority for personal gain, that’s a problem, wouldn’t you agree?
Our justice system doesn't make it "easy" to find people guilty of crimes, Colfax...it requires proof be presented by the prosecution. You don't put people in jail because you don't like them! You put them in jail because you've proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they have committed a crime! Trump hasn't cooperated with Adam Schiff''s attempt to rail road him. For some reason you now think THAT is also an impeachable offence! It would be the same as finding someone guilty of "obstruction of justice" for invoking their 5th Amendment rights!
Trump isn’t invoking his 5th amendment rights. He is preventing a constitutional process.
There is a dispute here between Congress and the Office of the Presidency as to what the President must provide them.
The right format to decide this is for congress to bring it through the courts, not to pass phony articles of impeachment.
What Chucky the shoe salesman wants is a separate Senate investigation, and he's not gonna get it.No, evidence from the folks Trump is blocking from testifying. The people he doesn't want to testify cuz they'd have to implicate Don in the crimes he's been accused of or perjure themselves.Schumer, Pushing McConnell to Negotiate, Lays Out Plan for Impeachment Trial
The Senate Democratic leader wants to seek testimony from Mick Mulvaney, John Bolton and other White House officials, and subpoena documents the White House has withheld.
Schumer, Pushing McConnell to Negotiate, Lays Out Plan for Impeachment Trial
WASHINGTON — As the House prepared to make President Trump only the third president in American history to be impeached, the Senate’s top Democrat on Sunday laid out a detailed proposal for a Senate trial “in which all of the facts can be considered fully and fairly” — including subpoenas for documents the White House has withheld and witnesses it has prevented from testifying.
Senator Chuck Schumer, the Democratic leader, presented the proposal in a letter to his Republican counterpart, Senator Mitch McConnell, in an opening move to force Republicans to negotiate over the shape and scope of the proceedings. Mr. McConnell had said last week that he was “taking my cues” from the White House, prompting Democrats to accuse him of abandoning his duty to render “impartial justice” in the trial.
In the letter, Mr. Schumer proposed a trial beginning Jan. 7 that would give each side a fixed amount of time to present its case, and called for four top White House officials who have not previously testified — including Mick Mulvaney, Mr. Trump’s acting chief of staff, and John R. Bolton, the president’s former national security adviser — to appear as witnesses.
Mr. Schumer also called for the Senate to subpoena documents that could shed light on the events at the heart of the charges against Mr. Trump: his campaign to enlist Ukraine to investigate his political rivals. And he set forth a specific timetable for each side to present its case, modeled on the one used when President Bill Clinton was tried in 1999. Mr. Clinton’s trial lasted about five weeks.
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Chuck should know better by now than to think McTurtle has an interest in anything approximating the kind of deliberative trial the Senate is obligated conduct. This is why it was so important for Trump's specious narrative of an unfair process in the House to have been spewed (just as it was equally important to make the similarly, objectively false accusations about the Mueller probe). All the trained seals repeat the sham process lie endlessly and will keep doing so all through the phony process Mitch is about to orchestrate in close consultation with the WH (Mitch has adopted the Trumpian strategy of violating rules, ethics, and law right out in the open). Why does McTreason think he can get away with it? Because he knows from experience The Following will swallow any ball of shit he feeds them. They rather like it.
Evidence from Schumer? That does sound like a pipe dream.
It's not easy when the president decides when he is allowed to be investigated.If only you could demonstrate this is the case here - eh?
Our justice system doesn't make it "easy" to find people guilty of crimes, Colfax...it requires proof be presented by the prosecution. You don't put people in jail because you don't like them! You put them in jail because you've proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they have committed a crime! Trump hasn't cooperated with Adam Schiff''s attempt to rail road him. For some reason you now think THAT is also an impeachable offence! It would be the same as finding someone guilty of "obstruction of justice" for invoking their 5th Amendment rights!
Trump isn’t invoking his 5th amendment rights. He is preventing a constitutional process.
There is a dispute here between Congress and the Office of the Presidency as to what the President must provide them.
The right format to decide this is for congress to bring it through the courts, not to pass phony articles of impeachment.
Why?
why should the legislature need permission from the judiciary to carry out their constitutional oversight of the executive?
We both know the reason. You know that Trump would lose this battle. It’s just to delay, in other words to obstruct.
It's illegal for a candidate to solicit foreign aid for their campaign.In Trump's phone call...Where's the House's evidence?
"Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it..."
All true, Biden was using Ukraine to launder US taxpayer money and no bribery or quid pro quo.
Evidence from Schumer? That does sound like a pipe dream.
LOLDurham and Barr will show that Stalinist democrats conspired with Ukraine to interfere with the 2016 election.
Watergate is a fucking joke in comparison
Why did democrats impeach trump if you dont have evidence to convict?Schumer, Pushing McConnell to Negotiate, Lays Out Plan for Impeachment Trial
The Senate Democratic leader wants to seek testimony from Mick Mulvaney, John Bolton and other White House officials, and subpoena documents the White House has withheld.
Schumer, Pushing McConnell to Negotiate, Lays Out Plan for Impeachment Trial
WASHINGTON — As the House prepared to make President Trump only the third president in American history to be impeached, the Senate’s top Democrat on Sunday laid out a detailed proposal for a Senate trial “in which all of the facts can be considered fully and fairly” — including subpoenas for documents the White House has withheld and witnesses it has prevented from testifying.
Senator Chuck Schumer, the Democratic leader, presented the proposal in a letter to his Republican counterpart, Senator Mitch McConnell, in an opening move to force Republicans to negotiate over the shape and scope of the proceedings. Mr. McConnell had said last week that he was “taking my cues” from the White House, prompting Democrats to accuse him of abandoning his duty to render “impartial justice” in the trial.
In the letter, Mr. Schumer proposed a trial beginning Jan. 7 that would give each side a fixed amount of time to present its case, and called for four top White House officials who have not previously testified — including Mick Mulvaney, Mr. Trump’s acting chief of staff, and John R. Bolton, the president’s former national security adviser — to appear as witnesses.
Mr. Schumer also called for the Senate to subpoena documents that could shed light on the events at the heart of the charges against Mr. Trump: his campaign to enlist Ukraine to investigate his political rivals. And he set forth a specific timetable for each side to present its case, modeled on the one used when President Bill Clinton was tried in 1999. Mr. Clinton’s trial lasted about five weeks.
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Chuck should know better by now than to think McTurtle has an interest in anything approximating the kind of deliberative trial the Senate is obligated conduct. This is why it was so important for Trump's specious narrative of an unfair process in the House to have been spewed (just as it was equally important to make the similarly, objectively false accusations about the Mueller probe). All the trained seals repeat the sham process lie endlessly and will keep doing so all through the phony process Mitch is about to orchestrate in close consultation with the WH (Mitch has adopted the Trumpian strategy of violating rules, ethics, and law right out in the open). Why does McTreason think he can get away with it? Because he knows from experience The Following will swallow any ball of shit he feeds them. They rather like it.
It's illegal for a candidate to solicit foreign aid for their campaign.In Trump's phone call...Where's the House's evidence?
"Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it..."
All true, Biden was using Ukraine to launder US taxpayer money and no bribery or quid pro quo.
Trump tried to get Ukraine to politically hit a rival for the 2020 presidential election. That's of personal gain to Trump who's also campaigning for that same officeI accept your concession of the point.It's not easy when the president decides when he is allowed to be investigated.If only you could demonstrate this is the case here - eh?Who polices the police?
If a cop is using their authority for personal gain, that’s a problem, wouldn’t you agree?
When you think you can demonstrate Trump acted for personal gain, as you claim, let us know.
Biden misbehaved in ukraine while he was VPTrump tried to get Ukraine to politically hit a rival for the 2020 presidential election. That's of personal gain to Trump who's also campaigning for that same officeI accept your concession of the point.It's not easy when the president decides when he is allowed to be investigated.If only you could demonstrate this is the case here - eh?Who polices the police?
If a cop is using their authority for personal gain, that’s a problem, wouldn’t you agree?
When you think you can demonstrate Trump acted for personal gain, as you claim, let us know.
Giuliani is not an elected official or appointed by one. He doesn't work on the public's behalf.Using your personal lawyer in no way necessitates that he is doing your personal business; it is perfectly possible for your personal lawyer to act on your behalf of your public business.Two things stand out that show it was for personal gain.
1. He had his personal lawyer involved. His personal lawyer is only answerable to him. His personal lawyer is only obligated to work for his personal interests. He did not involve the DoJ, whose obligated to work for the public interest. That shows intent.
So...
The Ukraine equivalent to the DoJ is not the DoJ, and you cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship between said request and the supposed effect you claim .2. Trump wanted the investigation made public, to be announced by Zelinsky himself. Investigations by the DoJ are kept confidential.
So...
When you think you can demonstrate Trump acted for personal gain, as you claim, let us know.
Trump tried to get Ukraine to politically hit a rival for the 2020 presidential election. That's of personal gain to Trump who's also campaigning for that same office
Trump wanted Zelensky to investigate Trump??I think he was looking for some evidence against Trump, not Quid Pro Joe.In Trump's phone call...Where's the House's evidence?
"Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it..."
Trumpette's will go to irrational lengths to defend their Dear Leader.It's not easy when the president decides when he is allowed to be investigated.If only you could demonstrate this is the case here - eh?Who polices the police?
If a cop is using their authority for personal gain, that’s a problem, wouldn’t you agree?
Our justice system doesn't make it "easy" to find people guilty of crimes, Colfax...it requires proof be presented by the prosecution. You don't put people in jail because you don't like them! You put them in jail because you've proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they have committed a crime! Trump hasn't cooperated with Adam Schiff''s attempt to rail road him. For some reason you now think THAT is also an impeachable offence! It would be the same as finding someone guilty of "obstruction of justice" for invoking their 5th Amendment rights!
Trump isn’t invoking his 5th amendment rights. He is preventing a constitutional process.
Would you care to share with us what criminal charges you believe would be filed?Trump tried to get Ukraine to politically hit a rival for the 2020 presidential election. That's of personal gain to Trump who's also campaigning for that same office
No he didn't .
Criminal charges from Ukraine wouldn't hurt Biden in the least. I can't think of how it would influence a single Dem.
Further, the libs would have to prove the President intent here.
It's not illegal to campaign overseas as long as you're not soliciting or accepting contributions.It's illegal for a candidate to solicit foreign aid for their campaign.In Trump's phone call...Where's the House's evidence?
"Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it..."
All true, Biden was using Ukraine to launder US taxpayer money and no bribery or quid pro quo.
President Obama actually campaign in Europe, Africa and elsewhere.
When Trump has a rally in Kiev, you might have a point
Who said he shouldn't be investigated?Biden misbehaved in ukraine while he was VPTrump tried to get Ukraine to politically hit a rival for the 2020 presidential election. That's of personal gain to Trump who's also campaigning for that same officeI accept your concession of the point.It's not easy when the president decides when he is allowed to be investigated.If only you could demonstrate this is the case here - eh?Who polices the police?
If a cop is using their authority for personal gain, that’s a problem, wouldn’t you agree?
When you think you can demonstrate Trump acted for personal gain, as you claim, let us know.
That needs to be investigated
If it wouldn't hurt Biden politically, then why did Trump spend millions on a campaign ad about Biden stopping the prosecution of Burisma (which was a lie anyway)?Trump tried to get Ukraine to politically hit a rival for the 2020 presidential election. That's of personal gain to Trump who's also campaigning for that same office
No he didn't .
Criminal charges from Ukraine wouldn't hurt Biden in the least. I can't think of how it would influence a single Dem.
Further, the libs would have to prove the President intent here.
Would you care to share with us what criminal charges you believe would be filed?Trump tried to get Ukraine to politically hit a rival for the 2020 presidential election. That's of personal gain to Trump who's also campaigning for that same office
No he didn't .
Criminal charges from Ukraine wouldn't hurt Biden in the least. I can't think of how it would influence a single Dem.
Further, the libs would have to prove the President intent here.
Lies.It's not easy when the president decides when he is allowed to be investigated.If only you could demonstrate this is the case here - eh?Who polices the police?
If a cop is using their authority for personal gain, that’s a problem, wouldn’t you agree?
Our justice system doesn't make it "easy" to find people guilty of crimes, Colfax...it requires proof be presented by the prosecution. You don't put people in jail because you don't like them! You put them in jail because you've proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they have committed a crime! Trump hasn't cooperated with Adam Schiff''s attempt to rail road him. For some reason you now think THAT is also an impeachable offence! It would be the same as finding someone guilty of "obstruction of justice" for invoking their 5th Amendment rights!
Trump isn’t invoking his 5th amendment rights. He is preventing a constitutional process.
