Schumer's pipe dream, a trial with.....you know.....evidence.

[Superbadbrutha]

Mitch McConnell is nothing but a Trump Humpin Flunky.

and democrats are dishonest pieces of shit

Yep just like the dishonest POS republicans.

Nope take your TDS somewhere else

I know as a Trump Humper you can't see it.

I can see your TDS in your words that you post in these threads

I can see your Trump hypocrisy in your words in your post. You are a Trump Humper and in your eyes the guy can do no wrong.

 

[M14 Shooter]

1. Better tell Giuliani who has claimed he's doing everything in Ukraine solely as part of his service to his client, Trump. Sorry man, but that's a pretty big stretch.

When you can demonstrate that your personal lawyer in unable to act on your behalf with regard to your public business, let us know.

2. Another huge stretch. It's pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain why Trump might want the investigation made public.

The fact you cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship I spoke of is not a stretch at all.

So...

When you think you can demonstrate Trump acted for personal gain, as you claim, let us know

 

[bigrebnc1775]

and democrats are dishonest pieces of shit

Yep just like the dishonest POS republicans.

Nope take your TDS somewhere else

I know as a Trump Humper you can't see it.

I can see your TDS in your words that you post in these threads

I can see your Trump hypocrisy in your words in your post. You are a Trump Humper and in your eyes the guy can do no wrong.

I'm using the democrats playbook. Screw being fair you TDS moron

 

[Pogo]

Schumer

That's actually who I half-expected to see when I came in this thread. OP didn't say which Schumer.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Yep just like the dishonest POS republicans.

Nope take your TDS somewhere else

I know as a Trump Humper you can't see it.

I can see your TDS in your words that you post in these threads

I can see your Trump hypocrisy in your words in your post. You are a Trump Humper and in your eyes the guy can do no wrong.

I'm using the democrats playbook. Screw being fair you TDS moron

So you are just a Trump Humpin Ass Clown.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Wants the Senate trial to be limited to only what the House presented. He says that’s only fair. He’s an idiot.



it was just on TV. I will add link as soon as it becomes available.



here is link.

Schumer is a typical despicable demagogue Democrat Politician.
He is a fraud.
He doesn't care about the American people.
He only cares about his power and money.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Schumer proposes that Bolton, Mulvaney testify in Senate impeachment trial

"WASHINGTON — Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer proposed calling former national security adviser John Bolton and acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney as witnesses at an impeachment trial for President Donald Trump in a letter to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell on Sunday.

"The offer is intended as a signal that Democrats are seeking an evidentiary trial, not intending to simply rely on the House investigation."

How likely is it Trump will find it impossible to resist the spotlight and testify in his own defense?

no crime
no evidence
bogus impeachment

 

[B. Kidd]

Schumer has been reduced to the whiney little bitch that he is!
He was crying again in front of the Senate just this morning.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Wants the Senate trial to be limited to only what the House presented. He says that’s only fair. He’s an idiot.



it was just on TV. I will add link as soon as it becomes available.



here is link.

In other words Schumer wants to cover-up the Democrat Ukraine Crimes

 

[colfax_m]

1. Better tell Giuliani who has claimed he's doing everything in Ukraine solely as part of his service to his client, Trump. Sorry man, but that's a pretty big stretch.

When you can demonstrate that your personal lawyer in unable to act on your behalf with regard to your public business, let us know.

2. Another huge stretch. It's pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain why Trump might want the investigation made public.

The fact you cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship I spoke of is not a stretch at all.

So...

When you think you can demonstrate Trump acted for personal gain, as you claim, let us know

1. I don’t have to demonstrate anything. Giuliani admitted it publicly that he was working solely on the benefit of Trump.

2. I don’t even know what you’re trying to claim here. Would a public announcement of an investigation help or hurt Biden?

 

[Nostra]

Where's the House's evidence?

In Trump's phone call...

"Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it..."​

I think he was looking for some evidence against Trump, not Quid Pro Joe.

 

[Thinker101]

Schumer, Pushing McConnell to Negotiate, Lays Out Plan for Impeachment Trial
The Senate Democratic leader wants to seek testimony from Mick Mulvaney, John Bolton and other White House officials, and subpoena documents the White House has withheld.
Schumer, Pushing McConnell to Negotiate, Lays Out Plan for Impeachment Trial

WASHINGTON — As the House prepared to make President Trump only the third president in American history to be impeached, the Senate’s top Democrat on Sunday laid out a detailed proposal for a Senate trial “in which all of the facts can be considered fully and fairly” — including subpoenas for documents the White House has withheld and witnesses it has prevented from testifying.

Senator Chuck Schumer, the Democratic leader, presented the proposal in a letter to his Republican counterpart, Senator Mitch McConnell, in an opening move to force Republicans to negotiate over the shape and scope of the proceedings. Mr. McConnell had said last week that he was “taking my cues” from the White House, prompting Democrats to accuse him of abandoning his duty to render “impartial justice” in the trial.

In the letter, Mr. Schumer proposed a trial beginning Jan. 7 that would give each side a fixed amount of time to present its case, and called for four top White House officials who have not previously testified — including Mick Mulvaney, Mr. Trump’s acting chief of staff, and John R. Bolton, the president’s former national security adviser — to appear as witnesses.

Mr. Schumer also called for the Senate to subpoena documents that could shed light on the events at the heart of the charges against Mr. Trump: his campaign to enlist Ukraine to investigate his political rivals. And he set forth a specific timetable for each side to present its case, modeled on the one used when President Bill Clinton was tried in 1999. Mr. Clinton’s trial lasted about five weeks.
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Chuck should know better by now than to think McTurtle has an interest in anything approximating the kind of deliberative trial the Senate is obligated conduct. This is why it was so important for Trump's specious narrative of an unfair process in the House to have been spewed (just as it was equally important to make the similarly, objectively false accusations about the Mueller probe). All the trained seals repeat the sham process lie endlessly and will keep doing so all through the phony process Mitch is about to orchestrate in close consultation with the WH (Mitch has adopted the Trumpian strategy of violating rules, ethics, and law right out in the open). Why does McTreason think he can get away with it? Because he knows from experience The Following will swallow any ball of shit he feeds them. They rather like it.

Evidence from Schumer? That does sound like a pipe dream.

 

[AntonToo]

facts - Congressionally apropriated millitary aid to Ukraine was in fact held up by Trump and (partially) released only when Congressional investigations opened.

There is no evidence one had anything to do with the other.​

You mean aside from circumstatial fact of perfect timing?

Well as it happens you are still 100% wrong. Here is further evidence:

2. Mulvaney is Trump's Chief of Staff and a Director of OMB. Mulvaney PUBLICLY SAID that he held up the aid at Trump's direction, for specific purpose of getting Ukraine to do the investigation into DNC Servers.

"Did he also mention to me in the past the corruption related to the DNC server? Absolutely. No question about that. But that's it. And that's why we held up the money."

Mick Mulvaney publicly confirms Trump held up Ukraine aid for political gain

3. We have staff members at OMB quit over this aid hold up. It is ILLEGAL for a president to hold up congressionally aproved aid without a good reason.

4. There is NO COMPETING THEORY for why the aid was held up and subsequently released that makes any sense at all. If it wasn't the surfacing of the wistleblower complaint and opening of Congressional investigations that caused the aid to get dropped like hot potato, then WHAT WAS IT?


Now maybe Mulvaney can clear all this up in his testimony before Congress...but for some reason, unlike Democrats, Trump and Republicans DON'T WANT HIM TO.

Why do you think that is?

 

[berg80]

When you can demonstrate that your personal lawyer in unable to act on your behalf with regard to your public business, let us know.

Slimy Rudy claims to be Individual 1's personal attorney, but he isn't being paid by President Flim Flam. In truth, Trump has given Rudy tacit approval to act as a quasi-governmental agent and in so doing take on any client willing to pay him. Federal indictments state that at the same time Fraud Guarantee paid the Rudester $500,000 for services, it was representing the interests of an unidentified official of the Ukrainian government and at least one other foreign national. Sounds like Rudy G. is using his title to get people to pay him for the influence he has with Big Fat Don.

 

[berg80]

Schumer, Pushing McConnell to Negotiate, Lays Out Plan for Impeachment Trial
The Senate Democratic leader wants to seek testimony from Mick Mulvaney, John Bolton and other White House officials, and subpoena documents the White House has withheld.
Schumer, Pushing McConnell to Negotiate, Lays Out Plan for Impeachment Trial

WASHINGTON — As the House prepared to make President Trump only the third president in American history to be impeached, the Senate’s top Democrat on Sunday laid out a detailed proposal for a Senate trial “in which all of the facts can be considered fully and fairly” — including subpoenas for documents the White House has withheld and witnesses it has prevented from testifying.

Senator Chuck Schumer, the Democratic leader, presented the proposal in a letter to his Republican counterpart, Senator Mitch McConnell, in an opening move to force Republicans to negotiate over the shape and scope of the proceedings. Mr. McConnell had said last week that he was “taking my cues” from the White House, prompting Democrats to accuse him of abandoning his duty to render “impartial justice” in the trial.

In the letter, Mr. Schumer proposed a trial beginning Jan. 7 that would give each side a fixed amount of time to present its case, and called for four top White House officials who have not previously testified — including Mick Mulvaney, Mr. Trump’s acting chief of staff, and John R. Bolton, the president’s former national security adviser — to appear as witnesses.

Mr. Schumer also called for the Senate to subpoena documents that could shed light on the events at the heart of the charges against Mr. Trump: his campaign to enlist Ukraine to investigate his political rivals. And he set forth a specific timetable for each side to present its case, modeled on the one used when President Bill Clinton was tried in 1999. Mr. Clinton’s trial lasted about five weeks.
.....................................................................................................................................
Chuck should know better by now than to think McTurtle has an interest in anything approximating the kind of deliberative trial the Senate is obligated conduct. This is why it was so important for Trump's specious narrative of an unfair process in the House to have been spewed (just as it was equally important to make the similarly, objectively false accusations about the Mueller probe). All the trained seals repeat the sham process lie endlessly and will keep doing so all through the phony process Mitch is about to orchestrate in close consultation with the WH (Mitch has adopted the Trumpian strategy of violating rules, ethics, and law right out in the open). Why does McTreason think he can get away with it? Because he knows from experience The Following will swallow any ball of shit he feeds them. They rather like it.

Evidence from Schumer? That does sound like a pipe dream.

No, evidence from the folks Trump is blocking from testifying. The people he doesn't want to testify cuz they'd have to implicate Don in the crimes he's been accused of or perjure themselves.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Who polices the police?
If a cop is using their authority for personal gain, that’s a problem, wouldn’t you agree?

If only you could demonstrate this is the case here - eh?

It's not easy when the president decides when he is allowed to be investigated.

I accept your concession of the point.
When you think you can demonstrate Trump acted for personal gain, as you claim, let us know.

Two things stand out that show it was for personal gain.
1. He had his personal lawyer involved. His personal lawyer is only answerable to him. His personal lawyer is only obligated to work for his personal interests. He did not involve the DoJ, whose obligated to work for the public interest. That shows intent.

2. Trump wanted the investigation made public, to be announced by Zelinsky himself. Investigations by the DoJ are kept confidential. It is policy to keep from smearing people even by unfair association until there is something found that can be indicted. A public announcement only serves to harm the person being investigated and shows he intended to use this investigation to harm Biden's candidacy.

"Facts" not in evidence

 

[Oldstyle]

Who polices the police?
If a cop is using their authority for personal gain, that’s a problem, wouldn’t you agree?

If only you could demonstrate this is the case here - eh?

It's not easy when the president decides when he is allowed to be investigated.

Our justice system doesn't make it "easy" to find people guilty of crimes, Colfax...it requires proof be presented by the prosecution. You don't put people in jail because you don't like them! You put them in jail because you've proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they have committed a crime! Trump hasn't cooperated with Adam Schiff''s attempt to rail road him. For some reason you now think THAT is also an impeachable offence! It would be the same as finding someone guilty of "obstruction of justice" for invoking their 5th Amendment rights!

 

[colfax_m]

Who polices the police?
If a cop is using their authority for personal gain, that’s a problem, wouldn’t you agree?

If only you could demonstrate this is the case here - eh?

It's not easy when the president decides when he is allowed to be investigated.

Our justice system doesn't make it "easy" to find people guilty of crimes, Colfax...it requires proof be presented by the prosecution. You don't put people in jail because you don't like them! You put them in jail because you've proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they have committed a crime! Trump hasn't cooperated with Adam Schiff''s attempt to rail road him. For some reason you now think THAT is also an impeachable offence! It would be the same as finding someone guilty of "obstruction of justice" for invoking their 5th Amendment rights!

Trump isn’t invoking his 5th amendment rights. He is preventing a constitutional process.

 

[Polishprince]

Schumer, Pushing McConnell to Negotiate, Lays Out Plan for Impeachment Trial
The Senate Democratic leader wants to seek testimony from Mick Mulvaney, John Bolton and other White House officials, and subpoena documents the White House has withheld.
Schumer, Pushing McConnell to Negotiate, Lays Out Plan for Impeachment Trial

WASHINGTON — As the House prepared to make President Trump only the third president in American history to be impeached, the Senate’s top Democrat on Sunday laid out a detailed proposal for a Senate trial “in which all of the facts can be considered fully and fairly” — including subpoenas for documents the White House has withheld and witnesses it has prevented from testifying.

Senator Chuck Schumer, the Democratic leader, presented the proposal in a letter to his Republican counterpart, Senator Mitch McConnell, in an opening move to force Republicans to negotiate over the shape and scope of the proceedings. Mr. McConnell had said last week that he was “taking my cues” from the White House, prompting Democrats to accuse him of abandoning his duty to render “impartial justice” in the trial.

In the letter, Mr. Schumer proposed a trial beginning Jan. 7 that would give each side a fixed amount of time to present its case, and called for four top White House officials who have not previously testified — including Mick Mulvaney, Mr. Trump’s acting chief of staff, and John R. Bolton, the president’s former national security adviser — to appear as witnesses.

Mr. Schumer also called for the Senate to subpoena documents that could shed light on the events at the heart of the charges against Mr. Trump: his campaign to enlist Ukraine to investigate his political rivals. And he set forth a specific timetable for each side to present its case, modeled on the one used when President Bill Clinton was tried in 1999. Mr. Clinton’s trial lasted about five weeks.
.....................................................................................................................................
Chuck should know better by now than to think McTurtle has an interest in anything approximating the kind of deliberative trial the Senate is obligated conduct. This is why it was so important for Trump's specious narrative of an unfair process in the House to have been spewed (just as it was equally important to make the similarly, objectively false accusations about the Mueller probe). All the trained seals repeat the sham process lie endlessly and will keep doing so all through the phony process Mitch is about to orchestrate in close consultation with the WH (Mitch has adopted the Trumpian strategy of violating rules, ethics, and law right out in the open). Why does McTreason think he can get away with it? Because he knows from experience The Following will swallow any ball of shit he feeds them. They rather like it.

There aren't going to be any "negotiations" with Chuck U. Schumer.

Mr. Turtle will tell him how its going to be run, and that will be that.

The liberals are already committed to voting against the People on this, the idea of the trial is to make them pay a political price for their "principles"

 

[Polishprince]

Who polices the police?
If a cop is using their authority for personal gain, that’s a problem, wouldn’t you agree?

If only you could demonstrate this is the case here - eh?

It's not easy when the president decides when he is allowed to be investigated.

Our justice system doesn't make it "easy" to find people guilty of crimes, Colfax...it requires proof be presented by the prosecution. You don't put people in jail because you don't like them! You put them in jail because you've proven beyond a reasonable doubt that they have committed a crime! Trump hasn't cooperated with Adam Schiff''s attempt to rail road him. For some reason you now think THAT is also an impeachable offence! It would be the same as finding someone guilty of "obstruction of justice" for invoking their 5th Amendment rights!

Trump isn’t invoking his 5th amendment rights. He is preventing a constitutional process.

There is a dispute here between Congress and the Office of the Presidency as to what the President must provide them.

The right format to decide this is for congress to bring it through the courts, not to pass phony articles of impeachment.