Schumer's pipe dream, a trial with.....you know.....evidence.

[easyt65]

Liberal Dictionary:
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Stonewalling: Pursuing the legal means the Constitution makes available to you.

Liberal Dictionary:
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Stonewalling: Pursuing the legal means the Constitution makes available to you.

Get back to me when you elect a POTUS who's read the Constitution.
All the times Trump said the constitution let's him do whatever he wants

It definitely allows him to pursue Congressional demands all the way to the Supreme Court.

Do you disagree?

It definitely allows him to pursue Congressional demands all the way to the Supreme Court.

Do you disagree?

There's no Constitutional provision for refusing ALL congressional requests for documents AND individuals relating to a impeachment proceeding.

House Judiciary Committee passes articles of impeachment against Trump - WQOW

The FISA Court just DESTROYED this faux argument by exposing the fact that the Dems' coup attempts / investigations from day 1 have been ILLEGAL based on crimes perpetrated by the Obama administration's DOJ and FBI.

The US IG made it clear the FBI knowingly used BS propaganda from a known in-reliable source - a foreign spy working with Russians, withheld the fact that Carter Page was an official govt information source reporting on the Russians - one of 17 FISA Court abuses - to legally spy on Trump & his team based on a false manufactured accusation / story!

Jonathon Gruber must be so proud of you!

he FISA Court just DESTROYED this faux argument by exposing the fact that the Dems' coup attempts / investigations from day 1 have been ILLEGAL based on crimes perpetrated by the Obama administration's DOJ and FBI.

Is this the report you're referring to?
If so, link to pages supporting your allegations:

https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf

"Background The Department of Justice (Department) Office of the Inspector General (OIG) undertook this review to examine certain actions by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the Department during an FBI investigation opened on July 31, 2016, known as 'Crossfire Hurricane,' into whether individuals associated with the Donald J. Trump for President Campaign were coordinating, wittingly or unwittingly, with the Russian government's efforts to interfere in the 2016 U.S. presidential election."

Nice attempt to cherry pick and distort the Weismann-Mueller report that stated NO collusion with the Russians was found ...

Another good report is the US IG's latest report citing 17 cases of Obama's / Comey's FBI engaging in major FISA Court abuses to include altering official reports, withholding facts / info, violating Constitutional rights, etc...

 

[hadit]

We've been through this before
The Senate is the Jury and Judge in all impeachment EXCEPT for impeachment of the President. The Chief Justice presides over the impeachment
THE SENATE IS STILL THE JURY

Its a limited analogy. They’re more than the jury since apparently the Senate has to agree what witnesses will be called. This is a decision typically left to the prosecutor and defense, not the jury.

The witnesses from the Democrat investigation and no new witnesses

Who says the House has to call every witness they wan for the Trial??

Who says the Senate has to call any witnesses?

They don’t have to call witnesses.

They will if they’re interested in the truth

The House didn't get at the truth, but could have.

 

[edthecynic]

Whistleblowers (Really Criminals who filed False Reports).

The IG found the report CREDIBLE, and I will take over lying scum like you and Tramp!

No he didn't, moron.

Yes he did, LIAR!

How stupid can you be? The entire report was about everything wrong with the FISA warrant. Horowitz outlined how even the guy who was the source for the Steele "dossier" said it was a piece of crap.

WRONG IG idiot!!!!!!
it is the whistle blower IG, not the FISA IG, who found the WHISTLE BLOWER'S report CREDIBLE!

 

[georgephillip]

Except all first hand testimony and the memorandum of the conversation released by Putin's Bitch completely verifies the whistleblower's accusations.

You are a f*ing LIAR - THERE WAS NO 1ST-HAND ACCOUNT WITNESSES, & YOU ARE PARROTING DEM LIES OR SCHIFF'S 'PARODY'!

You are a f*ing LIAR - THERE WAS NO 1ST-HAND ACCOUNT WITNESSES, & YOU ARE PARROTING DEM LIES OR SCHIFF'S 'PARODY'!

Why is Trump blocking witnesses with first-hand account evidence from testifying under oath?

New witness claims firsthand account of Trump's push for Ukraine probes

"House impeachment investigators on Friday heard from a new witness claiming firsthand knowledge of President Trump's effort to enlist Ukrainian leaders to dig up dirt on his domestic political opponents.

"David Holmes, a State Department veteran now based in Kyiv, testified privately that he overheard a July phone conversation between Trump and Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, in which the president sought an update on 'the investigation' and Sondland delivered the news Trump wanted, according to the opening remarks obtained by The Hill.

"'So, he’s gonna do the investigation?' Trump asked, according to Holmes's testimony."

 

[edthecynic]

You mean like this?

https://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/CPRT-116-IG00-D024.pdf

MR. GOLDMAN: This is the deposition of Acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney.

Mr. Mulvaney was subpoenaed to appear at 9:00 a.m.
It is 9:07 a.m. He is not here.

And then followed up in court to force testimony, but they did not do that. This is what happens when you try to unseat a president this close to an election. He can use the clock.

Why hold up the process for a year (and place it smack middle of election) when the bare fact of this Obstruction of Congressional Investigation is itself an impeachment Article and evidence of guilt??

To do this is to basically give a roadmap to future President crooks - avoid Congressional oversight by running out the clock.

Because there are legal remedies to resolve the issue.

Yes there are - file Articles for Abuse of Power and Obstruction to impeach a president who is shamelessly engaging in a wholesale cover up.

It took 8 months to get a ruling on McGhan testimony(surprise! he has to testify)...and now it will take god knows how long for appeal. It’s never ending.

It can be fast tracked to the SC. Remember the 2000 election? IOW, there are ways to make it happen legally. Not even trying, then complaining about it and demanding the Senate do it isn't one of them.

But Tramp will NOT fast track it!
He is hiding his GUILT!

 

[easyt65]

Except all first hand testimony and the memorandum of the conversation released by Putin's Bitch completely verifies the whistleblower's accusations.

You are a f*ing LIAR - THERE WAS NO 1ST-HAND ACCOUNT WITNESSES, & YOU ARE PARROTING DEM LIES OR SCHIFF'S 'PARODY'!

You are a f*ing LIAR - THERE WAS NO 1ST-HAND ACCOUNT WITNESSES, & YOU ARE PARROTING DEM LIES OR SCHIFF'S 'PARODY'!

Why is Trump blocking witnesses with first-hand account evidence from testifying under oath?

New witness claims firsthand account of Trump's push for Ukraine probes

"House impeachment investigators on Friday heard from a new witness claiming firsthand knowledge of President Trump's effort to enlist Ukrainian leaders to dig up dirt on his domestic political opponents.

"David Holmes, a State Department veteran now based in Kyiv, testified privately that he overheard a July phone conversation between Trump and Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, in which the president sought an update on 'the investigation' and Sondland delivered the news Trump wanted, according to the opening remarks obtained by The Hill.

"'So, he’s gonna do the investigation?' Trump asked, according to Holmes's testimony."

Are you SERIOUSLY and pathetically trying to claim now that there is 1 witness in the entire world that can vouch for the debunked Dem story & Trump is blocking their testifying?

Bwuhahahahahaha.....

 

[Mac-7]

None of that applies to trump

Of course it does.

He asked a foreign national to investigate a political rival who's also campaigning for the office of president. An investigation is something of value that benefits his campaign.

You have summed up the democrst complaint

but I and most other people do not accept that claim

How is a president soliciting a foreign national to investigate a political rival not violating that law?

You only see biden as a political candidate rather than a former VP who abused his office

It doesn't matter. Under no circumstance can Trump break the law by soliciting a foreign national to investigate a political rival. Even if Trump suspected Biden committed a crime, he should have had his own Justice Department investigate Biden, not a foreign national. It involved a political rival. It's illegal and a threat to national security to delegate that job to a foreign nation.

You are entitled to your opinion

But if so you are going to be very shocked and angry in the coming near future as trump defeats you in the senate

 

[Mac-7]

Like you on the left did with Carter Page? Is that what you mean, Colfax? (eye roll)

Yes, exactly! People are likely going to jail because of what happened to Carter Page. There’s accountability. Where’s the accountability for Trump?

If you dont agree with trump you can vote against him in 2020

Justice is not out up for a vote.

Unfortunately for you voting is the only option you have

But it’s not the only option available to the country.

Your only other option is about to go down in the senate before your eyes

Then you will have no recourse

 

[Mac-7]

they accusations of wrongdoing

thats how all criminal prosecutions begin

A president cannot violate one law to enforce another.

Its a judgement call and most Americans dont see it the way you do

Most Americans think he should be impeached.

I dont believe so

And neither do most members of congress

Polls show it. What makes you think otherwise?

Because I dont trust the lib polls

They are intended to shape opinion not measure it

 

[easyt65]

But Tramp will NOT fast track it!
He is hiding his GUILT!

Hey DUMBASS...

Don't blame the President for the Democrats being unable to come up with a crime, with evidence, and with witnesses after 3 years...

And in this country we are INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty. If Democrats can't do that then the accused remains INNOCENT!

What a whiny, Trump-hating, butt-hurt assh@le.

 

[Siete]

I believe we should hear from the involved officials themselves. A genuine trial would welcome it.

It has nothing to do with the strength of the case. There is plenty of evidence already.

The House could have compelled the testimony. It's not on the Senate to make up for their failings.

The House would get their testimony in a few years. The Senate has an obligation to seek the truth. They’re going to help cover for Trump instead.

Remember 2000? Things can be fast tracked in the courts. And the Senate's job is to judge the House's case, not look for ways to get guilty.

Only when both parties agree to fast track it. Do you think Trump will agree to fast track this case?

Why do both parties have to agree? A judge can decide to hear a case if he wants to. He's in control of his court. The SC, which is where it would end up anywhere, is perfectly capable of hearing it quickly. Trump could delay only as long as the judge or justices agree he could.

a judge in an impeachment trial ------


yeah buddy .... right beside the jury.

 

[edthecynic]

LIAR!
The Republiscum had EQUAL time to cross examine EVERY witness.
When the worthless lying scum Right tell such obvious lies they expose the fact that they themselves KNOW they are WRONG!

No they didn’t.

Yes they did, and YOU know it, just read the online transcripts and you can see EVERY lying Republiscum had the exact same time to question each witness as the Dems.

Like I said when the worthless lying scum Right tell such obvious lies they expose the fact that they themselves KNOW they are WRONG!

Dems interviewing gov officials in a closet is not exactly a fair process.
Hillary lost, get over it or move to your NewSSR.

The Republiscum were in the same "closet" interviewing the same witnesses so it was more than fair.

No, they weren’t.

Yes they were, all 48 of them!

 

[Faun]

Of course it does.

He asked a foreign national to investigate a political rival who's also campaigning for the office of president. An investigation is something of value that benefits his campaign.

You have summed up the democrst complaint

but I and most other people do not accept that claim

How is a president soliciting a foreign national to investigate a political rival not violating that law?

You only see biden as a political candidate rather than a former VP who abused his office

It doesn't matter. Under no circumstance can Trump break the law by soliciting a foreign national to investigate a political rival. Even if Trump suspected Biden committed a crime, he should have had his own Justice Department investigate Biden, not a foreign national. It involved a political rival. It's illegal and a threat to national security to delegate that job to a foreign nation.

You are entitled to your opinion

But if so you are going to be very shocked and angry in the coming near future as trump defeats you in the senate

Why would I be shocked? You think I believe Republicans would ever hold Trump accountable? He could shoot someone on 5th avenue for no good reason and they would still turn the other cheek for him.

 

[Mac-7]

You have summed up the democrst complaint

but I and most other people do not accept that claim

How is a president soliciting a foreign national to investigate a political rival not violating that law?

You only see biden as a political candidate rather than a former VP who abused his office

It doesn't matter. Under no circumstance can Trump break solicit a foreign national to investigate a political rival. Even if Trump suspected Biden committed a crime, he should have had his own Justice Department investigate Biden, not a foreign national. It involved a political rival. It's illegal and a threat to national security to delegate that job to a foreign nation.

We've already told you, the DOJ is a next of deep state vipers. Trump gave the job to someone he could trust, not someone who was going to try to get him impeached or leak classified secrets to the press. That's not illegal.

You're also wrong in claiming that a foreign government to investigate American crooks in their country. The treaty we signed with Ukraine proves that theory is bogus from the starting gate.

You're inventing legal theories out of thin air.

LOLOL

You're such a lying fucking moron.

Lying fucking moron, Trump doesn't get to violate the law just because lying fucking morons like you are conspiracy nuts. And if he can't trust Barr, then he should have appointed someone he can trust.

Does cursing at your computer screen help?

It seems that despite all the personal insults the libs here are getting worse not better

 

[Faun]

A president cannot violate one law to enforce another.

Its a judgement call and most Americans dont see it the way you do

Most Americans think he should be impeached.

I dont believe so

And neither do most members of congress

Polls show it. What makes you think otherwise?

Because I dont trust the lib polls

They are intended to shape opinion not measure it

Well you said most Americans don't see it the way I do. Upon what do you base that?

 

[georgephillip]

2. The prosecutorial divisions within the DOJ REJECTED the complaint because NO CRIME was proven to have been committed, & there were NO WITNESSESS.

You mean the Bill Barr/Roy Cohn Donald J. Trump Protection Agency

"President Trump famously asked, 'Where’s my Roy Cohn?' Demanding a stand-in for his old personal lawyer and fixer, Mr. Trump has actually gotten something better with Bill Barr: a lawyer who like Cohn stops seemingly at nothing in his service to Mr. Trump and conveniently sits atop the nation’s Justice Department."

Opinion | Donald Trump Wanted Another Roy Cohn. He Got Bill Barr.

Nice 'OPINION' Piece....couldn't find any FACTS, huh?!

Nice 'OPINION' Piece....couldn't find any FACTS, huh?!

Opinion | Donald Trump Wanted Another Roy Cohn. He Got Bill Barr.

"President Trump famously asked, 'Where’s my Roy Cohn?' Demanding a stand-in for his old personal lawyer and fixer, Mr. Trump has actually gotten something better with Bill Barr: a lawyer who like Cohn stops seemingly at nothing in his service to Mr. Trump and conveniently sits atop the nation’s Justice Department."

Can you spot the facts?

Here's another: Trump's lifelong corruption will bury your party deeper than the Whigs.

 

[Oldstyle]

None of that applies to trump

Of course it does.

He asked a foreign national to investigate a political rival who's also campaigning for the office of president. An investigation is something of value that benefits his campaign.

You have summed up the democrst complaint

but I and most other people do not accept that claim

How is a president soliciting a foreign national to investigate a political rival not violating that law?

You only see biden as a political candidate rather than a former VP who abused his office

It doesn't matter. Under no circumstance can Trump break the law by soliciting a foreign national to investigate a political rival. Even if Trump suspected Biden committed a crime, he should have had his own Justice Department investigate Biden, not a foreign national. It involved a political rival. It's illegal and a threat to national security to delegate that job to a foreign nation.

Threat to national security? Really, Faun? You folks keep trotting that out like it's going to give your pathetic impeachment some gravitas and all it does is make me laugh at you! An investigation into apparent corruption between the Biden family and numerous foreign entities isn't going to bring down America any more than an investigation into Trump did! It sure as hell isn't a threat to national security...what it is...is a threat to Joe Biden because it looks like his family cashed in on his position as Vice President in a huge way!
As for what Trump should have done? We don't have jurisdiction to investigate crimes in other countries on a whim...we have to ask them to allow us to do so. Trump asking the President of the Ukraine to look into possible Quid Pro Quo between Biden and Burismo and into whether anyone in the Ukraine interfered in our election is EXACTLY as it should have been handled. The Ukraine is a sovereign nation. They're not our lap dog! (Although you'd be hard pressed to believe that from the way that the Obama Administration treated them! Six hours to fire someone or we're cutting off a billion in foreign aid?) Who was the REAL threat to national security...

 

[hadit]

To serve justice

Biden is dirty and all for the sake of providing for his deadbeat son

Your hollow claims that Biden is dirty are unproven.

And even if he was, that doesn't give a private attorney the legal authority to subvert the law to solicit a foreign leader to investigate his client's political rivals.

they accusations of wrongdoing

thats how all criminal prosecutions begin

The accusations need to be credible. You don’t get to make up accusations as a false pretense.

Like you on the left did with Carter Page? Is that what you mean, Colfax? (eye roll)

Yes, exactly! People are likely going to jail because of what happened to Carter Page. There’s accountability. Where’s the accountability for Trump?

Impeachment isn't enough?

 

[georgephillip]

Except all first hand testimony and the memorandum of the conversation released by Putin's Bitch completely verifies the whistleblower's accusations.

You are a f*ing LIAR - THERE WAS NO 1ST-HAND ACCOUNT WITNESSES, & YOU ARE PARROTING DEM LIES OR SCHIFF'S 'PARODY'!

You are a f*ing LIAR - THERE WAS NO 1ST-HAND ACCOUNT WITNESSES, & YOU ARE PARROTING DEM LIES OR SCHIFF'S 'PARODY'!

Why is Trump blocking witnesses with first-hand account evidence from testifying under oath?

New witness claims firsthand account of Trump's push for Ukraine probes

"House impeachment investigators on Friday heard from a new witness claiming firsthand knowledge of President Trump's effort to enlist Ukrainian leaders to dig up dirt on his domestic political opponents.

"David Holmes, a State Department veteran now based in Kyiv, testified privately that he overheard a July phone conversation between Trump and Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, in which the president sought an update on 'the investigation' and Sondland delivered the news Trump wanted, according to the opening remarks obtained by The Hill.

"'So, he’s gonna do the investigation?' Trump asked, according to Holmes's testimony."

Are you SERIOUSLY and pathetically trying to claim now that there is 1 witness in the entire world that can vouch for the debunked Dem story & Trump is blocking their testifying?

Bwuhahahahahaha.....

Are you SERIOUSLY and pathetically trying to claim now that there is 1 witness in the entire world that can vouch for the debunked Dem story & Trump is blocking their testifying?

I'm not STUPID enough to believe there is only ONE witness Trump is blocking from testifying; are you?

 

[hadit]

To serve justice

Biden is dirty and all for the sake of providing for his deadbeat son

Your hollow claims that Biden is dirty are unproven.

And even if he was, that doesn't give a private attorney the legal authority to subvert the law to solicit a foreign leader to investigate his client's political rivals.

they accusations of wrongdoing

thats how all criminal prosecutions begin

A president cannot violate one law to enforce another.

Its a judgement call and most Americans dont see it the way you do

Most Americans think he should be impeached.

He will be, just not removed from office. Then we'll have an energized and vindictive Trump with no fear and a list of people who ticked him off. Circular during squad there, democrats.