Scott Walker Recall Campaign Losing Steam

[Teals_Of_Wonder]

with 540,000 sigs, you know they would find over 100,000 fakes, thats why they upped it to a million,,,yah,,,lets make it harder to count and verify all of them.

 

[Intense]

with 540,000 sigs, you know they would find over 100,000 fakes, thats why they upped it to a million,,,yah,,,lets make it harder to count and verify all of them.

It will keep everyone busy.

 

[rightwinger]

with 540,000 sigs, you know they would find over 100,000 fakes, thats why they upped it to a million,,,yah,,,lets make it harder to count and verify all of them.

The burden of proof is now on you...go at it

Show us how many Adolph Hitler signatures are included. It should be easy

 

[Teals_Of_Wonder]

we got all summer to verify the signatures,,maybe even adolf and mickey will help.

 

[Article 15]

Are you guys going to feel a little silly if/when 540k of those sigs turn out to be legit?

No. Not after the concerted effort that went into getting them. Leave no stone unturned. Now about Elections, in General. Should we seek to overturn everyone? At what Expense? Where should we draw the line? Whom gets stuck with the Bill?

Should Scott win in a Landslide, where does that put the opposition? Should we expect an Apology? When is Enough, enough?

If they have enough sigs this will be like the third or fourth time in history that a governor has been forced into a recall election.....that's hardly evidence that seeking to overturn everyone is going to be the norm. History shows it's pretty tough to do.

You are using the slippery slope fallacy, yo.

This recall isn't about recalling just because an election was lost. The fact the first round of recalls weren't imitated until after the GOP went ahead with their overreaching agenda they didn't campaign on and not the day after the election was lost proves that. It's about a group of elected officials overreaching to the point where they motivated enough people to put them back on a ballot.

If Walker wins, he wins but I remind you that all Wisconsin has to do is flip one Senate seat to have essentially the same effect as recalling Walker.

If Walker loses will he apologize?

If they flip that seat will Walker apologize?

 

[Intense]

Are you guys going to feel a little silly if/when 540k of those sigs turn out to be legit?

No. Not after the concerted effort that went into getting them. Leave no stone unturned. Now about Elections, in General. Should we seek to overturn everyone? At what Expense? Where should we draw the line? Whom gets stuck with the Bill?

Should Scott win in a Landslide, where does that put the opposition? Should we expect an Apology? When is Enough, enough?

If they have enough sigs this will be like the third or fourth time in history that a governor has been forced into a recall election.....that's hardly evidence that seeking to overturn everyone is going to be the norm. History shows it's pretty tough to do.

You are using the slippery slope fallacy, yo.

This recall isn't about recalling just because an election was lost. The fact the first round of recalls weren't imitated until after the GOP went ahead with their overreaching agenda they didn't campaign on and not the day after the election was lost proves that. It's about a group of elected officials overreaching to the point where they motivated enough people to put them back on a ballot.

If Walker wins, he wins but I remind you that all Wisconsin has to do is flip one Senate seat to have essentially the same effect as recalling Walker.

If Walker loses will he apologize?

If they flip that seat will Walker apologize?

If you can prove that he acted outside of his authority, maybe he should. I doubt he did though. The rest is about winning and losing at his point, not Right and wrong. Should you apologize for you doing what you believe the right thing to do, whether in the majority or minority? Should you do what you can, in a position of authority, and let the chips fall where they may, or should you act against conscience? Sometimes that's a hard choice.

Are Government Workers, both State and Federal, in ways, holding us all hostage?

 

[kaz]

You know good and well that this was not about the budget, it was about beating back the union.

Division is the liberal way. Rather then debate the facts, you go to ad homenim. And you're wrong, fiscal conservatives care about government spending and deficits. Unions are in the way of that, they are not the objective. They are your objective, which is why you make that fallacious statement. But you don't care anyway.

Scott Walker is an American hero no matter what happens.

 

[Article 15]

No. Not after the concerted effort that went into getting them. Leave no stone unturned. Now about Elections, in General. Should we seek to overturn everyone? At what Expense? Where should we draw the line? Whom gets stuck with the Bill?

Should Scott win in a Landslide, where does that put the opposition? Should we expect an Apology? When is Enough, enough?

If they have enough sigs this will be like the third or fourth time in history that a governor has been forced into a recall election.....that's hardly evidence that seeking to overturn everyone is going to be the norm. History shows it's pretty tough to do.

You are using the slippery slope fallacy, yo.

This recall isn't about recalling just because an election was lost. The fact the first round of recalls weren't imitated until after the GOP went ahead with their overreaching agenda they didn't campaign on and not the day after the election was lost proves that. It's about a group of elected officials overreaching to the point where they motivated enough people to put them back on a ballot.

If Walker wins, he wins but I remind you that all Wisconsin has to do is flip one Senate seat to have essentially the same effect as recalling Walker.

If Walker loses will he apologize?

If they flip that seat will Walker apologize?

If you can prove that he acted outside of his authority, maybe he should.

The people attempting the recall aren't acting outside of their authority so why should they apologize if they lose?

I doubt he did though.

I can prove he overreached from what he campaigned on.

The rest is about winning and losing at his point, not Right and wrong. Should you apologize for you doing what you believe the right thing to do, whether in the majority or minority?

So again, why do you want the people pushing for the recall to apologize?

Should you do what you can, in a position of authority, and let the chips fall where they may, or should you act against conscience? Sometimes that's a hard choice.

And sometimes you go beyond what the people who elected you find acceptable. Sometime the chips falling where they may means you find yourself back on a ballot.

Are Government Workers, both State and Federal, in ways, holding us all hostage?

No.

 

[Old Rocks]

LOL. Poor rightwingnuts. Democracy is so messy. When your 'hero' turns out to be a slob, the people have the right to throw their asses out of office. That is what is happening in Wisconsin.

 

[Starbuck]

If it is losing steam, the recall of the Governor, the Lt. Governor, and four Republican Senators looks to be gaining steam. Just thought they were only going after the Governor. Oh well, handing in more then a million signatures looks to be for the Governor, we will make the Governor a ¼ term Governor.

 

[Intense]

If they have enough sigs this will be like the third or fourth time in history that a governor has been forced into a recall election.....that's hardly evidence that seeking to overturn everyone is going to be the norm. History shows it's pretty tough to do.

You are using the slippery slope fallacy, yo.

This recall isn't about recalling just because an election was lost. The fact the first round of recalls weren't imitated until after the GOP went ahead with their overreaching agenda they didn't campaign on and not the day after the election was lost proves that. It's about a group of elected officials overreaching to the point where they motivated enough people to put them back on a ballot.

If Walker wins, he wins but I remind you that all Wisconsin has to do is flip one Senate seat to have essentially the same effect as recalling Walker.

If Walker loses will he apologize?

If they flip that seat will Walker apologize?

If you can prove that he acted outside of his authority, maybe he should.

The people attempting the recall aren't acting outside of their authority so why should they apologize if they lose?


I can prove he overreached from what he campaigned on.



So again, why do you want the people pushing for the recall to apologize?

Should you do what you can, in a position of authority, and let the chips fall where they may, or should you act against conscience? Sometimes that's a hard choice.

And sometimes you go beyond what the people who elected you find acceptable. Sometime the chips falling where they may means you find yourself back on a ballot.

Are Government Workers, both State and Federal, in ways, holding us all hostage?

No.

The People, no. The Unions, yes, they are out of bounds. A landslide would prove either way, wasted effort and wasted cost. A close Election, either way, no. Maybe, what was in order, from the start, was a Nonpartisan Poll. Then take action.

Why is it that in Depressions, Government and Protected Union Workers fare so well, at the expense of the rest of us? We get the Bread Lines and Soup Kitchens, they get Second Homes, and long expensive vacations, and raises?

 

[drsmith1072]

Are you guys going to feel a little silly if/when 540k of those sigs turn out to be legit?

No. Not after the concerted effort that went into getting them. Leave no stone unturned. Now about Elections, in General. Should we seek to overturn everyone? At what Expense? Where should we draw the line? Whom gets stuck with the Bill?

Should Scott win in a Landslide, where does that put the opposition? Should we expect an Apology? When is Enough, enough?

Funny how the rightwingers seem to be obseessed with the expense of the recall but then flat out ignore all of the expence walkers obstruction is adding to the cost.

He bascially sued to have the state perform his function as the chellenger of the petition.

Challenges to a Recall Petition
Within 10 days after a recall petition is offered for filing, the officeholder can challenge its sufficiency. The challenge must be made in the form of a written, sworn complaint.
The challenge must specify any alleged insufficiency in the petition. Any challenge to the validity of signatures on a recall petition must demonstrate by affidavits or other supporting evidence a failure to comply with statutory requirements. The burden of proof is on the challenger. The information on a recall petition is presumed to be valid unless proven otherwise. El.Bd. 2.11., Wis. Adm. Code.

http://elections.state.wi.us/docview.asp?docid=14632&locid=47

And now the state has to pay in order to do what walker as the challenger of the petition was supposed to be responsible for under WI law. How come you don't seem to concerned about that?

 

[Intense]

LOL. Poor rightwingnuts. Democracy is so messy. When your 'hero' turns out to be a slob, the people have the right to throw their asses out of office. That is what is happening in Wisconsin.

Really?

How different was the effect of what he did from Andrew Cuomo?

Dear New Yorkers,

Thanks to the tough choices and the historic reforms we achieved last year, we are able to propose a pro-growth budget without broad cuts or new taxes, fees or borrowing. Our stronger fiscal position now allows us to tackle long overdue pension reform and mandate relief that will lower the cost of government, drive accountability in our schools to put students first, and leverage tens of billions of dollars of new private sector investment to create jobs without significant cost to the taxpayer.

Through fiscal discipline and working in partnership with the private sector, we are strengthening our economy to create jobs and secure our state’s future. This budget represents the next step in our plan to transform New York State.

-Governor Andrew M Cuomo

2012 - 2013 Executive Budget | Governor Andrew M. Cuomo

 

[Intense]

Are you guys going to feel a little silly if/when 540k of those sigs turn out to be legit?

No. Not after the concerted effort that went into getting them. Leave no stone unturned. Now about Elections, in General. Should we seek to overturn everyone? At what Expense? Where should we draw the line? Whom gets stuck with the Bill?

Should Scott win in a Landslide, where does that put the opposition? Should we expect an Apology? When is Enough, enough?

Funny how the rightwingers seem to be obseessed with the expense of the recall but then flat out ignore all of the expence walkers obstruction is adding to the cost.

He bascially sued to have the state perform his function as the chellenger of the petition.

Challenges to a Recall Petition
Within 10 days after a recall petition is offered for filing, the officeholder can challenge its sufficiency. The challenge must be made in the form of a written, sworn complaint.
The challenge must specify any alleged insufficiency in the petition. Any challenge to the validity of signatures on a recall petition must demonstrate by affidavits or other supporting evidence a failure to comply with statutory requirements. The burden of proof is on the challenger. The information on a recall petition is presumed to be valid unless proven otherwise. El.Bd. 2.11., Wis. Adm. Code.

http://elections.state.wi.us/docview.asp?docid=14632&locid=47

And now the state has to pay in order to do what walker as the challenger of the petition was supposed to be responsible for under WI law. How come you don't seem to concerned about that?

Support Voter ID Laws and put an end to fraud and corruption. What should be the penalty for Petition Fraud?

 

[Article 15]

If you can prove that he acted outside of his authority, maybe he should.

The people attempting the recall aren't acting outside of their authority so why should they apologize if they lose?


I can prove he overreached from what he campaigned on.



So again, why do you want the people pushing for the recall to apologize?



And sometimes you go beyond what the people who elected you find acceptable. Sometime the chips falling where they may means you find yourself back on a ballot.

Are Government Workers, both State and Federal, in ways, holding us all hostage?

No.

The People, no. The Unions, yes, they are out of bounds. A landslide would prove either way, wasted effort and wasted cost. A close Election, either way, no. Maybe, what was in order, from the start, was a Nonpartisan Poll. Then take action.

Why is it that in Depressions, Government and Protected Union Workers fare so well, at the expense of the rest of us? We get the Bread Lines and Soup Kitchens, they get Second Homes, and long expensive vacations, and raises?

The unions are within their authority to get behind a recall effort.

Government jobs have been thinned out the last three years. The teachers of Wisconsin agreed to financial concessions BEFORE Walker and the GOP turned around and overreached by stripping the collective bargaining. They were asked to sacrifice and agreed to it. In other States, government workers have been asked to sacrifice and they have. Are you arguing that you average teacher or Joe government worker has a second home and is taking month long trips to Dubai. C'mon now.

But yeah, government jobs tend to have more security than the private sector but that's hardly "holding the rest of us hostage".

No offense, man, but you are being a little silly.

 

[Intense]

The people attempting the recall aren't acting outside of their authority so why should they apologize if they lose?


I can prove he overreached from what he campaigned on.



So again, why do you want the people pushing for the recall to apologize?



And sometimes you go beyond what the people who elected you find acceptable. Sometime the chips falling where they may means you find yourself back on a ballot.



No.

The People, no. The Unions, yes, they are out of bounds. A landslide would prove either way, wasted effort and wasted cost. A close Election, either way, no. Maybe, what was in order, from the start, was a Nonpartisan Poll. Then take action.

Why is it that in Depressions, Government and Protected Union Workers fare so well, at the expense of the rest of us? We get the Bread Lines and Soup Kitchens, they get Second Homes, and long expensive vacations, and raises?

The unions are within their authority to get behind a recall effort.

Government jobs have been thinned out the last three years. The teachers of Wisconsin agreed to financial concessions BEFORE Walker and the GOP turned around and overreached by stripping the collective bargaining. They were asked to sacrifice and agreed to it. In other States, government workers have been asked to sacrifice and they have. Are you arguing that you average teacher or Joe government worker has a second home and is taking month long trips to Dubai. C'mon now.

But yeah, government jobs tend to have more security than the private sector but that's hardly "holding the rest of us hostage".

No offense, man, but you are being a little silly.

It's not within their Authority, but it is within their Right. There are pros and cons to bargaining rights in relation to Government Workers. Both sides make valid points. in the end, it is a matter of who gets the support that determines the outcome. In NY State, Teachers are the Highest Compensated State Employees. It is out of balanced. We are being taxed into oblivion to pay for the abuses.

 

[Wry Catcher]

LOL. Poor rightwingnuts. Democracy is so messy. When your 'hero' turns out to be a slob, the people have the right to throw their asses out of office. That is what is happening in Wisconsin.

Really?

How different was the effect of what he did from Andrew Cuomo?

Dear New Yorkers,

Thanks to the tough choices and the historic reforms we achieved last year, we are able to propose a pro-growth budget without broad cuts or new taxes, fees or borrowing. Our stronger fiscal position now allows us to tackle long overdue pension reform and mandate relief that will lower the cost of government, drive accountability in our schools to put students first, and leverage tens of billions of dollars of new private sector investment to create jobs without significant cost to the taxpayer.

Through fiscal discipline and working in partnership with the private sector, we are strengthening our economy to create jobs and secure our state’s future. This budget represents the next step in our plan to transform New York State.

-Governor Andrew M Cuomo

2012 - 2013 Executive Budget | Governor Andrew M. Cuomo

Gov. Brown in California is also seeking to reform and rehabilitate government. I am a beneficiary of a pension most envy. Of course that contract was offered during the Clinton boom, in light of the Bush bust its largess is now being debated, and has become a means for the Republicans to gain headlines and pit Americans against Americans.

Few pols were fiscal conservative in the 1990's, and few worried about the debt. Suggesting otherwise and pointing fingers at the Democrats alone is the usual dishonest rhetoric of politics.

The solution to our economic problems is not to adopt the reactionary forces which currently control the Republican Party - their goal is to return us to the late 19th and early 20th century where Robber Barons and the Gilded Age brought wealth to the few and misery to the many.

Keep in mind the Republicans controlled Congress and the White House - as well as the Supreme Court - for the years leading up to the crisis in the fall of 2008. Of course the Democrats had control of the House for the final two years, but Bush remained in the WH and had the veto pen under his custody and control.

No amount of historical revision can assuage the complicity of Bush&Co for the crisis of 2008. Of course the New Right can and will continue to do so, and to paraphrase President Lincoln some of the people can be fooled all of the time. Don't be a fool.

 

[Article 15]

The People, no. The Unions, yes, they are out of bounds. A landslide would prove either way, wasted effort and wasted cost. A close Election, either way, no. Maybe, what was in order, from the start, was a Nonpartisan Poll. Then take action.

Why is it that in Depressions, Government and Protected Union Workers fare so well, at the expense of the rest of us? We get the Bread Lines and Soup Kitchens, they get Second Homes, and long expensive vacations, and raises?

The unions are within their authority to get behind a recall effort.

Government jobs have been thinned out the last three years. The teachers of Wisconsin agreed to financial concessions BEFORE Walker and the GOP turned around and overreached by stripping the collective bargaining. They were asked to sacrifice and agreed to it. In other States, government workers have been asked to sacrifice and they have. Are you arguing that you average teacher or Joe government worker has a second home and is taking month long trips to Dubai. C'mon now.

But yeah, government jobs tend to have more security than the private sector but that's hardly "holding the rest of us hostage".

No offense, man, but you are being a little silly.

It's not within their Authority, but it is within their Right. There are pros and cons to bargaining rights in relation to Government Workers. Both sides make valid points. in the end, it is a matter of who gets the support that determines the outcome. In NY State, Teachers are the Highest Compensated State Employees. It is out of balanced. We are being taxed into oblivion to pay for the abuses.

Authority/right....semantics......I used "authority" because we were working from that word ..."If you can prove that he acted outside of his authority maybe he should."

And someone has to be the group of highest compensated state employees......

In the whole wealth distribution debate the high cost of living in New York is often cited to when people argue that 250k a year isn't really that much for New York. Given that, what is fair compensation for a college educated worker charged with educating the population's children?

I can't speak for your state taxes but federally, taxes are lower than they ever have been. The famous talking point is that 50% don't pay income tax.

 

[drsmith1072]

No. Not after the concerted effort that went into getting them. Leave no stone unturned. Now about Elections, in General. Should we seek to overturn everyone? At what Expense? Where should we draw the line? Whom gets stuck with the Bill?

Should Scott win in a Landslide, where does that put the opposition? Should we expect an Apology? When is Enough, enough?

Funny how the rightwingers seem to be obseessed with the expense of the recall but then flat out ignore all of the expence walkers obstruction is adding to the cost.

He bascially sued to have the state perform his function as the chellenger of the petition.

Challenges to a Recall Petition
Within 10 days after a recall petition is offered for filing, the officeholder can challenge its sufficiency. The challenge must be made in the form of a written, sworn complaint.
The challenge must specify any alleged insufficiency in the petition. Any challenge to the validity of signatures on a recall petition must demonstrate by affidavits or other supporting evidence a failure to comply with statutory requirements. The burden of proof is on the challenger. The information on a recall petition is presumed to be valid unless proven otherwise. El.Bd. 2.11., Wis. Adm. Code.

http://elections.state.wi.us/docview.asp?docid=14632&locid=47

And now the state has to pay in order to do what walker as the challenger of the petition was supposed to be responsible for under WI law. How come you don't seem to concerned about that?

Support Voter ID Laws and put an end to fraud and corruption. What should be the penalty for Petition Fraud?

How does your rant actually respond to anything that I said?? You mentioned the expense, so I talked about the added expense of what walker is doing and you went somewhere in left field and are apparently having a conversatio with yourself.

Do you often reply with nonresponsive BS??

 

[Oldstyle]

The people attempting the recall aren't acting outside of their authority so why should they apologize if they lose?


I can prove he overreached from what he campaigned on.



So again, why do you want the people pushing for the recall to apologize?



And sometimes you go beyond what the people who elected you find acceptable. Sometime the chips falling where they may means you find yourself back on a ballot.



No.

The People, no. The Unions, yes, they are out of bounds. A landslide would prove either way, wasted effort and wasted cost. A close Election, either way, no. Maybe, what was in order, from the start, was a Nonpartisan Poll. Then take action.

Why is it that in Depressions, Government and Protected Union Workers fare so well, at the expense of the rest of us? We get the Bread Lines and Soup Kitchens, they get Second Homes, and long expensive vacations, and raises?

The unions are within their authority to get behind a recall effort.

Government jobs have been thinned out the last three years. The teachers of Wisconsin agreed to financial concessions BEFORE Walker and the GOP turned around and overreached by stripping the collective bargaining. They were asked to sacrifice and agreed to it. In other States, government workers have been asked to sacrifice and they have. Are you arguing that you average teacher or Joe government worker has a second home and is taking month long trips to Dubai. C'mon now.

But yeah, government jobs tend to have more security than the private sector but that's hardly "holding the rest of us hostage".

No offense, man, but you are being a little silly.

With all due respect, Article? The teachers union only agreed to financial concessions when the Democrats they backed with millions lost. You make it sound like the union went along willingly with this. At the same time they said they were then willing to make concessions they backed protests to shut down the Statehouse and prevent legislation from being passed and pumped millions of dollars into the recall effort as soon as it was legally possible. The fact is...the teachers union wants a return to the way things were before. They want politicians in place that they have bought off and they want anyone who won't give them what they want GONE. So the people of Wisconsin have to ask themselves one very simple question...do I want to get rid of the guy who just erased a 3 billion dollar deficit without raising taxes or laying off cops, firemen or teachers...or do I want to bring back the same people who ran UP the 3 billion dollar deficit to do it all over again? The union folks in Wisconsin have made it clear where "they" stand with this...they want their goodies back. Now it's up to the other folks in Wisconsin that will have to foot the bill for that to chime in.