Secularists...Hoist By Their Own Petard

[there4eyeM]

"The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” David Limbaugh
A total misread of historical reality.
America's war for national liberation, first of all, was revolutionary, yes, but was not a revolution. It did not overturn a government. And, it happened in a relative political vacuum. There no internal institutions that inherently opposed it. More importantly, America was not surrounded by ancient and mortal enemies bent on its destruction and invading it immediately.
What happened in France was a true revolution, it was opposed by internal vested interests, and it was instantly invaded. The efforts to deal with all this led to many excesses, true. To pretend it was because of inferiority of moral character is idiotic.

 

[rightwinger]

We are a more moral nation than at the time of our founding

Not even close

No one can write a more inane post than you.

Not even close.

Well Cut and Paste Princess....let's look at the facts

Our founders owned slaves, denied rights to women and Native Anericans, ignored worker rights and child labor. They ignored poverty and human rights abuses

Not even close to our moral society

"Well Cut and Paste Princess...."

While you correctly apply 'Princess,'......the preceding phrase requires a correction to make it accurate.

...don't be sloppy...being inane is certainly bad enough!
My work is not largely 'cut and paste'.....
...I am far too astute and ethical for that to be the case..


The correct usage is 'cut, paste, and attribute.'


Unlike Liberal...I state the source of material I provide.

Always.
Of course, I can do this due to my excellent education, and work ethic.



Now....compare that to the 'Liberal Plagiarism' of your ilk.

You dolts use the talking points you glean from Obama, the NYTimes, the DNC, MSNBC, Comedy Central,.... or CAIR.....and never give the source. It is a pretense that is is aimed at implying that you came up with the material on your own.....

...but we both know that you aren't capable of that: after all, you're a government school grad.

You Liberals are the Milli Vanilli of political discourse....lip-syncing Liberal outlets.

That's the truth.....isn't it.



And I expect genuflection when you use my title.

That is your best defense of your inability to make an original post using your own thoughts?

Cut and Paste Princess is appropriate for your lack of skills

 

[NYcarbineer]

· Social security
FDR’s Second Bill of Rights
Kind of a 'worker's paradise,' huh?
I wonder where he got that idea.

Maybe he got the idea of Social Security from Winston Churchill, who supported the UK's 1908 Old Age Pensions Act.

 

[there4eyeM]

The Christian religions as practiced are ultimately materialistic. Consider; it is not enough to have a spiritual savior and everlasting peace. That savior has to have been materially resurrected and dwelling somewhere. Also, 'heaven' has to be a physical destination where material, earthly desires and feelings are gratified. 'Immaterialism' is not enough.

 

[NYcarbineer]

We are a more moral nation than at the time of our founding

Not even close

No one can write a more inane post than you.

Not even close.

Well Cut and Paste Princess....let's look at the facts

Our founders owned slaves, denied rights to women and Native Anericans, ignored worker rights and child labor. They ignored poverty and human rights abuses

Not even close to our moral society

"Well Cut and Paste Princess...."

While you correctly apply 'Princess,'......the preceding phrase requires a correction to make it accurate.

...don't be sloppy...being inane is certainly bad enough!
My work is not largely 'cut and paste'.....
...I am far too astute and ethical for that to be the case..


The correct usage is 'cut, paste, and attribute.'


Unlike Liberal...I state the source of material I provide.

Always.
Of course, I can do this due to my excellent education, and work ethic.



Now....compare that to the 'Liberal Plagiarism' of your ilk.

You dolts use the talking points you glean from Obama, the NYTimes, the DNC, MSNBC, Comedy Central,.... or CAIR.....and never give the source. It is a pretense that is is aimed at implying that you came up with the material on your own.....

...but we both know that you aren't capable of that: after all, you're a government school grad.

You Liberals are the Milli Vanilli of political discourse....lip-syncing Liberal outlets.

That's the truth.....isn't it.



And I expect genuflection when you use my title.

That is your best defense of your inability to make an original post using your own thoughts?

Cut and Paste Princess is appropriate for your lack of skills

It might be better termed Cut and Glue, given the effects of the fumes.

 

[NYcarbineer]

"The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” David Limbaugh
A total misread of historical reality.
America's war for national liberation, first of all, was revolutionary, yes, but was not a revolution. It did not overturn a government. And, it happened in a relative political vacuum. There no internal institutions that inherently opposed it. More importantly, America was not surrounded by ancient and mortal enemies bent on its destruction and invading it immediately.
What happened in France was a true revolution, it was opposed by internal vested interests, and it was instantly invaded. The efforts to deal with all this led to many excesses, true. To pretend it was because of inferiority of moral character is idiotic.

David Limbaugh is the one with both halves of his brain tied behind his back.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” David Limbaugh
A total misread of historical reality.
America's war for national liberation, first of all, was revolutionary, yes, but was not a revolution. It did not overturn a government. And, it happened in a relative political vacuum. There no internal institutions that inherently opposed it. More importantly, America was not surrounded by ancient and mortal enemies bent on its destruction and invading it immediately.
What happened in France was a true revolution, it was opposed by internal vested interests, and it was instantly invaded. The efforts to deal with all this led to many excesses, true. To pretend it was because of inferiority of moral character is idiotic.

1. You seem to be avoiding the central issue. Let's point you in the right direction:

a. One can hardly count only the massacre at the Bastille...or only the 'Terror'...or omit the fact of the wars that resulted from the other European monarchies attempting to put the cork back in the bottle.
Napoleon's wars alone would add some 3.5- 6.5 million deaths.
"The total death toll for the French Revolution is over 1,000,000."
Read more: What is the death toll of the French revolution

What is the death toll of the French revolution - ixzz1ejRVb3k8


b. In the course of France's short revolution, 600,000 French citizens were killed, and another 145,000 fled the country.
Schom, "Napoleon Bonaparte," p. 253.


c. "That's in a country with between 24 and 26 million people, about the current population of Texas. In terms of population loss, that would be the equivalent of the United States having a 9/11 attack every day for seven years." Coulter, "Demonic," p. 266.




Are you prepared to explain the abject slaughter, followed by other iterations of the French Revolution, by the Communists and by the Nazis, with similar devastation.....yet not include the very basic understanding that in every case it was the lack of religion and morality that accounts for same?


Are you?


"A total misread of historical reality."
Please try not to sound like a total idiot.

 

[NYcarbineer]

"The reason our revolution was so different from the violent, homicidal chaos of the French version was the dominant American culture was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” David Limbaugh
A total misread of historical reality.
America's war for national liberation, first of all, was revolutionary, yes, but was not a revolution. It did not overturn a government. And, it happened in a relative political vacuum. There no internal institutions that inherently opposed it. More importantly, America was not surrounded by ancient and mortal enemies bent on its destruction and invading it immediately.
What happened in France was a true revolution, it was opposed by internal vested interests, and it was instantly invaded. The efforts to deal with all this led to many excesses, true. To pretend it was because of inferiority of moral character is idiotic.

1. You seem to be avoiding the central issue. Let's point you in the right direction:

a. One can hardly count only the massacre at the Bastille...or only the 'Terror'...or omit the fact of the wars that resulted from the other European monarchies attempting to put the cork back in the bottle.
Napoleon's wars alone would add some 3.5- 6.5 million deaths.
"The total death toll for the French Revolution is over 1,000,000."
Read more: What is the death toll of the French revolution

What is the death toll of the French revolution - ixzz1ejRVb3k8


b. In the course of France's short revolution, 600,000 French citizens were killed, and another 145,000 fled the country.
Schom, "Napoleon Bonaparte," p. 253.


c. "That's in a country with between 24 and 26 million people, about the current population of Texas. In terms of population loss, that would be the equivalent of the United States having a 9/11 attack every day for seven years." Coulter, "Demonic," p. 266.




Are you prepared to explain the abject slaughter, followed by other iterations of the French Revolution, by the Communists and by the Nazis, with similar devastation.....yet not include the very basic understanding that in every case it was the lack of religion and morality that accounts for same?


Are you?


"A total misread of historical reality."
Please try not to sound like a total idiot.

The death toll of the French Religious wars was over 1 million. a far greater toll than the French Revolution.

Devout Catholics slaughtering Protestants. Devout Protestants slaughtering Catholics.

There's your Christianity in a nutshell.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I wonder if PoliticalChic realizes that the United States Constitution establishes a secular government for the secular governing of a secular nation.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The OP began thus:
Don't ya' just love it when the villains get what they deserve, a dose of their own medicine?
I sure do.


Can you imagine....secularists squealing like stuck pigs when their own methods are used against them!
'...a consummation devoutly to be wished....'



Now....what if religious folks used material reward to point others toward the right path....

....wouldn't that be turning the tables?

And they did....here:


11. "School administrators are asking parents to stop hosting free lunches accompanied by discussions about Christianity outside a high school in Middleton, citing legal concerns." Wisconsin school, parents at odds over 'Jesus lunches'

Get that???
Free lunch....
...voluntary, unlike government school....
....centered around freedom of speech and the right of people peaceably to assemble, as per the first amendment.....
....discussing the sort of values and attitudes that abounded at America's founding?????


Well....we (secularists) can't have that, can we????


"Superintendent Donald Johnson and Principal Stephen Plank emailed the parents this week asking them to end the lunches.

"We believe that religious or political events do not have a place in our school or on our campus, except when sponsored by a student group in accordance with our rules, which require prior approval," the email said. "In addition, many students have conveyed to us their concern about a group offering free food to incentivize participation in a religious event on campus."


[Get that "our rules" stuff??? Sieg Heil! ]



A statement from organizers provided by parent Beth Williams said the group is legally allowed to gather at the public park, which is accessible to everyone for the purposes of assembly and free speech.

[Hey!! Watch that 'freedom' stuff!!! This is Amerika!]


"Fireman's Park, a public park owned by the city of Middleton, remains accessible to everyone in the public for the purposes of assembly and free speech," the statement said. "By law, the lease agreement between the city and the school district of Middleton does not privatize the park." Ibid.



I love watching the Liberals/Progressives/secularists squirm!!!!

 

[there4eyeM]

It is obviously out of the range of this thread and the understanding of the original poster to explain how utterly oversimplified this version of the French Revolution is. The errors of fact and synthesis are woeful.

 

[Dot Com]

This has to be the most truly retarded thing you've said yet.

Hey, reality check- MOST people on government assistance are only on it for a short time. A lot of people on government assistance HAVE jobs. Just not jobs that pay well enough because the wealth is not evenly distributed. It's why the Walton Family has more money than the bottom 40% of the population, which includes most of their employees.

The thing is, the healthy work ethic you talk about was corrupted when Reagan busted the unions and people couldn't expect a fair wage for fair work, even if they were better educated than their parents.

^ that

/end thread PoliticalSpice

 

[there4eyeM]

Free lunches do exist?

 

[PoliticalChic]

It is obviously out of the range of this thread and the understanding of the original poster to explain how utterly oversimplified this version of the French Revolution is. The errors of fact and synthesis are woeful.

Hmmmm.....a vapid and thoughtless post.

I accept your retreat, and defeat.

You're dismissed.

 

[there4eyeM]

By the way, it's "hoisted on" a petard. Also, look up inculcate for the accurate use.

 

[Dot Com]

the founders were largely deists.

and they wanted religious nutters as far away from government as possible....

but thanks for your usual cut and paste.

Deism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Benjamin Franklin wrote in his autobiography, "Some books against Deism fell into my hands; they were said to be the substance of sermons preached at Boyle's lectures. It happened that they wrought an effect on me quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist.

Seems Mail Order Bride doesn't know this great nation's history

 

[Dot Com]

By the way, it's "hoisted on" a petard. Also, look up inculcate for the accurate use.

BURN!!!!

That had to leave a mark on PoliSpice!!!

 

[NYcarbineer]

The OP began thus:
Don't ya' just love it when the villains get what they deserve, a dose of their own medicine?
I sure do.


Can you imagine....secularists squealing like stuck pigs when their own methods are used against them!
'...a consummation devoutly to be wished....'



Now....what if religious folks used material reward to point others toward the right path....

....wouldn't that be turning the tables?

And they did....here:


11. "School administrators are asking parents to stop hosting free lunches accompanied by discussions about Christianity outside a high school in Middleton, citing legal concerns." Wisconsin school, parents at odds over 'Jesus lunches'

Get that???
Free lunch....
...voluntary, unlike government school....
....centered around freedom of speech and the right of people peaceably to assemble, as per the first amendment.....
....discussing the sort of values and attitudes that abounded at America's founding?????


Well....we (secularists) can't have that, can we????


"Superintendent Donald Johnson and Principal Stephen Plank emailed the parents this week asking them to end the lunches.

"We believe that religious or political events do not have a place in our school or on our campus, except when sponsored by a student group in accordance with our rules, which require prior approval," the email said. "In addition, many students have conveyed to us their concern about a group offering free food to incentivize participation in a religious event on campus."


[Get that "our rules" stuff??? Sieg Heil! ]



A statement from organizers provided by parent Beth Williams said the group is legally allowed to gather at the public park, which is accessible to everyone for the purposes of assembly and free speech.

[Hey!! Watch that 'freedom' stuff!!! This is Amerika!]


"Fireman's Park, a public park owned by the city of Middleton, remains accessible to everyone in the public for the purposes of assembly and free speech," the statement said. "By law, the lease agreement between the city and the school district of Middleton does not privatize the park." Ibid.



I love watching the Liberals/Progressives/secularists squirm!!!!

Only a nutcase can equate public schools having rules for usage of the facilities to Nazism.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Free lunches do exist?

A material reward for listening to truth.....

Notice the difference from government school: detention for missing indoctrination.


BTW....have you seen what happens to the school lunches mandated by Mrs.Liar-in-Chief?

"Every First Lady has to have a do-good project. Michelle Obama selected school lunches as her program. The first step was passing the Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act. The law will increase federal spending on school nutrition programs by $4.5 billion over the next ten years. However, there’s a big problem: the children don't like the school lunches.

Here are Mrs. Obama's words when she took on this project: "When our kids spend so much of their time each day in school, ... it's clear that we, as a nation, have a responsibility to meet as well. We can't just leave it up to the parents.”

Some students are getting pretty loud in their objections to limiting their condiments and removing desserts and whole milk from their menus. The law limits the maximum number of calories allowed in each lunch, setting maximum numbers of calories for students by age. For high schoolers, lunches may offer between 750-850 calories. K-5 kids can have 550-650 calories. Thanks to the increased emphasis on fruits and vegetables, main portion sizes have decreased. Many students claim they are still hungry after finishing lunch." Eagle Forum Blog: The Politics of School Lunches

No wonder the kids are flocking to the part for educational, moral, and victual nutrition!

 

[Dot Com]

From a nation designed for 'a moral and religious people' to one designed for a materialist lot......what happened?

Industrialization and the need to sell products manufactured for profit..

Quite simple to prove the error of this simpleton's post.

The service that is an inherent part of capitalism is more in accord with Judeo-Christian values than is socialism/Liberalism.
Profit is what allows one to take care of one's fellow man.
After all.....Liberalism is all about distributing other people's money, not creating wealth.


"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
John Adams





Alas, it was the tireless efforts of Franklin Delano Roosevelt that moved America into the very same camp as Joseph Stalin's Soviet Materialist regime.
That would be the Stalinist Soviet ideology that resulted in the slaughter of over 100 million human beings.

"We must rid ourselves once and for all of the Quaker-Papist babble about the sanctity of human life." Leon Trotsky

only took 11 posts for OP (rw Tinfoil grl) to mention this nations greatest President- FDR

 

[rdean]

Don't ya' just love it when the villains get what they deserve, a dose of their own medicine?
I sure do.


1. Can you imagine....secularists squealing like stuck pigs when their own methods are used against them!
'...a consummation devoutly to be wished....'


First.....those methods....then that example.



2. Every Leftist is, essentially, a Marxist…even though most eschew the title since the fall of the Soviet Union. Even so, Left-wing ideas are predicated on Marx’s materialist view. Philosophically, the term implies that only material things are real. Therefore, emotions, such as love, are no more than chemistry. And it suggests that it is only genes and environment that determine our actions, and free will plays no role. And, of course, God and religious beliefs are nonsense.

That's why the hatred comes out whenever they see folks who are religious.




3. The change in America, from a spiritual to a materialist entity, is largely due to the efforts of the 32nd President. He promised all sorts of material rewards, if America would only give up the individualism, and freedoms that the Founders embodied in the Constitution.
He promised rewards such as

· Employment(right to work)

· Food, clothing and leisure, viaenough income to support them

· Farmers' rights to a fair income

· Freedom fromunfair competitionandmonopolies

· Housing

· Medical care

· Social security
FDR’s Second Bill of Rights
Kind of a 'worker's paradise,' huh?
I wonder where he got that idea.



4. And for these material benefits, all Americans had to do was give up our birthright...Individuals who have had the benefit of an education recognize this.

"The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’"
Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism."


5. While America was founded on this view:

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
John Adams

...it has become inculcated with this one:

" Secularism is the principle of the separation of government institutions and persons mandated to represent the state from religious institutions and religious dignitaries. One manifestation of secularism is asserting the right to be free from religious rule and teachings, or, in a state declared to be neutral on matters of belief, from the imposition by government of religion or religious practices upon its people. Another manifestation of secularism is the view that public activities and decisions, especially political ones, should be uninfluenced by religious beliefs and/or practices."
Secularism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


....the very antithesis of 'a moral and religious people.'
The Founders wouldn't be welcome in a secular nation, would they.

Your mind is like a mixed salad of delusion, crazy, hypocrisy, lies and a twist of a bizarre and unwarranted self confidence.