Senate Panel Upholds Finding That Russia Backed Trump, Contradicting House

I expect similar Russian "intervention" has gone on since just after World War Two; in fact, I believe our intelligence agencies have said so, and have always said so.

I believe the original issue was the "collusion" that might have been included this time by and between the Russians and American Citizens and the "effect" that collusion had on the election. Much "collusion" has been found as regards Hillary Clinton and her minions organized by Fusion GPS and Deep State operatives in various parts of Obama's Government, while none has been found regarding Don Trump.

As to "effect", Obama himself, and his turds, like Clapper, have said there was no Effect.

And Mueller with all his KGB-like tactics has found as culprits only a few young folks in St. Petersburg, loosely associated a favorite cook of Putin's who have been named as even having tried to effect the election---and they spent $100,000 on a few Facebook ads, much of them AFTER the election---one in which Billions were spent. Those Russians have been indicted, but the cook's corporation is defending the case--and it has Mueller reeling, apparently unable to prove any of that which he alleged.

The whole thing is a farce, and more and more information is coming out that it was primarily a propaganda effort by the Obama-Clinton Crime Cartel to frame Don Trump.
 
I expect similar Russian "intervention" has gone on since just after World War Two; in fact, I believe our intelligence agencies have said so, and have always said so.

I believe the original issue was the "collusion" that might have been included this time by and between the Russians and American Citizens and the "effect" that collusion had on the election. Much "collusion" has been found as regards Hillary Clinton and her minions organized by Fusion GPS and Deep State operatives in various parts of Obama's Government, while none has been found regarding Don Trump.

As to "effect", Obama himself, and his turds, like Clapper, have said there was no Effect.

And Mueller with all his KGB-like tactics has found as culprits only a few young folks in St. Petersburg, loosely associated a favorite cook of Putin's who have been named as even having tried to effect the election---and they spent $100,000 on a few Facebook ads, much of them AFTER the election---one in which Billions were spent. Those Russians have been indicted, but the cook's corporation is defending the case--and it has Mueller reeling, apparently unable to prove any of that which he alleged.

The whole thing is a farce, and more and more information is coming out that it was primarily a propaganda effort by the Obama-Clinton Crime Cartel to frame Don Trump.


No effect?

Are you crazy?

There were several ads on the internet, that nobody saw (until after the election), that caused voters in droves to march to the polls like zombies to vote for Trump.

They have proof. Trump won when he wasn't supposed to because they had it all fixed.
 
What about the fact that the Russians also sponsored anti-Trump rallies? Did you miss that part?

Russian-Organized Rallies Cited as Part of Election Meddling

I don't doubt that some Russians did what they could to help Trump. Similarly, Hamas members in the U.S. did what they could to help Obama in 2008, even publishing pro-Obama editorials and bashing McCain at every opportunity. Palestinians in the U.S. likewise strongly backed Obama. Or, go back to 1988. Greek organizations in the U.S. exerted great effort to help Dukakis and to attack Bush Sr. But none of this proves "collusion."

Look what happened when part of the Russian-collusion case--the claims against Roger Stone--finally got in front of a decent judge: The Clinton-appointed judge threw out the case as "insubstantial," i.e., too flimsy to proceed.

When did Mueller charge Roger Stone?
 
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As a “con”, I’m interested to know what the crime is. I don’t think other countries should be interfering with our political process, but it wasn’t a problem when Obama did it. If you want to start a list of criminal activity this is hardly the way to start... after all uranium one still bears investigation as well as the Clinton email server and the Pakistani IT crew... plus the extent of Russian meddling seems to be extremely limited given that the social media attempts were in Russian so the average American did not know what they said...


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Uranium one has been investigated by every RWNJ with the capability for years. Why hasn't anybody found anything? If Trump can afford hundreds of thousands of dollars to pay off porn stars, he should be able to find something.
They have found information on it, at least, they have found more information on the uranium one scandal than they have of trump colluding with russians, but the Clinton's are untouchable, so, no matter what they find,.it will never come to light, or at least, nothing will ever be done about it.

I mean, look at it like this, one single allegation of sexual misconduct against someone in the Republican party will get them thrown off TV, or have them removed from a Senate seat, yet uranium one, pizza gate, and email server allegations have had almost no effect on the Clinton's. Even bill, who had sexual contact with an lewinski came out of that pretty unscathed.

You see, the left always seem to be able to commit whatever crimes and atrocious acts, and people seem to turn a blind eye, but a Republican commits even the smallest of misdeeds, and its national news for weeks to come.

Those have no effect because they are trumped up bullshit. Crazy accusations are all they ever were
And the same goes with trump colluding with Russian, it's all speculation at this point. There is no evidence to support that trump had colluded with Russian to win the election. That, however, doesnt matter, because in the eyes of the left, he is guilty, even the allegation without evidence was enough to convict him.

That is what I'm talking about. They have found more evidence against hillary than they have about trump, but that doesnt matter, hillary is automatically innocent or "they just made that up", but trump is automatically guilty when even an allegation is the only thing presented.

You have no idea what Muller has found. Just because evidence against him hasn't been released doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
 
As a “con”, I’m interested to know what the crime is. I don’t think other countries should be interfering with our political process, but it wasn’t a problem when Obama did it. If you want to start a list of criminal activity this is hardly the way to start... after all uranium one still bears investigation as well as the Clinton email server and the Pakistani IT crew... plus the extent of Russian meddling seems to be extremely limited given that the social media attempts were in Russian so the average American did not know what they said...


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Uranium one has been investigated by every RWNJ with the capability for years. Why hasn't anybody found anything? If Trump can afford hundreds of thousands of dollars to pay off porn stars, he should be able to find something.
They have found information on it, at least, they have found more information on the uranium one scandal than they have of trump colluding with russians, but the Clinton's are untouchable, so, no matter what they find,.it will never come to light, or at least, nothing will ever be done about it.

I mean, look at it like this, one single allegation of sexual misconduct against someone in the Republican party will get them thrown off TV, or have them removed from a Senate seat, yet uranium one, pizza gate, and email server allegations have had almost no effect on the Clinton's. Even bill, who had sexual contact with an lewinski came out of that pretty unscathed.

You see, the left always seem to be able to commit whatever crimes and atrocious acts, and people seem to turn a blind eye, but a Republican commits even the smallest of misdeeds, and its national news for weeks to come.

Those have no effect because they are trumped up bullshit. Crazy accusations are all they ever were
And the same goes with trump colluding with Russian, it's all speculation at this point. There is no evidence to support that trump had colluded with Russian to win the election. That, however, doesnt matter, because in the eyes of the left, he is guilty, even the allegation without evidence was enough to convict him.

That is what I'm talking about. They have found more evidence against hillary than they have about trump, but that doesnt matter, hillary is automatically innocent or "they just made that up", but trump is automatically guilty when even an allegation is the only thing presented.

This is collusion...just an FYI.

RUSSIANS: We have dirt on Hillary Clinton
TRUMP JR: I love it, let's meet.

It's not at all concerning to you that the narrative from the Trump camp keeps changing?

TRUMP ADMIN: My campaign has had no contacts with Russians

(When dozens of contacts are later revealed)

TRUMP ADMIN: None of those contacts were about the campaign

(When it turned out numerous contacts were about the campaign)

TRUMP CULT: Collusion is not a crime!!!
 
As a “con”, I’m interested to know what the crime is. I don’t think other countries should be interfering with our political process, but it wasn’t a problem when Obama did it. If you want to start a list of criminal activity this is hardly the way to start... after all uranium one still bears investigation as well as the Clinton email server and the Pakistani IT crew... plus the extent of Russian meddling seems to be extremely limited given that the social media attempts were in Russian so the average American did not know what they said...


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Uranium one has been investigated by every RWNJ with the capability for years. Why hasn't anybody found anything? If Trump can afford hundreds of thousands of dollars to pay off porn stars, he should be able to find something.
They have found information on it, at least, they have found more information on the uranium one scandal than they have of trump colluding with russians, but the Clinton's are untouchable, so, no matter what they find,.it will never come to light, or at least, nothing will ever be done about it.

I mean, look at it like this, one single allegation of sexual misconduct against someone in the Republican party will get them thrown off TV, or have them removed from a Senate seat, yet uranium one, pizza gate, and email server allegations have had almost no effect on the Clinton's. Even bill, who had sexual contact with an lewinski came out of that pretty unscathed.

You see, the left always seem to be able to commit whatever crimes and atrocious acts, and people seem to turn a blind eye, but a Republican commits even the smallest of misdeeds, and its national news for weeks to come.

Those have no effect because they are trumped up bullshit. Crazy accusations are all they ever were
And the same goes with trump colluding with Russian, it's all speculation at this point. There is no evidence to support that trump had colluded with Russian to win the election. That, however, doesnt matter, because in the eyes of the left, he is guilty, even the allegation without evidence was enough to convict him.

That is what I'm talking about. They have found more evidence against hillary than they have about trump, but that doesnt matter, hillary is automatically innocent or "they just made that up", but trump is automatically guilty when even an allegation is the only thing presented.

This is collusion...just an FYI.

RUSSIANS: We have dirt on Hillary Clinton
TRUMP JR: I love it, let's meet.

It's not at all concerning to you that the narrative from the Trump camp keeps changing?

TRUMP ADMIN: My campaign has had no contacts with Russians

(When dozens of contacts are later revealed)

TRUMP ADMIN: None of those contacts were about the campaign

(When it turned out numerous contacts were about the campaign)

TRUMP CULT: Collusion is not a crime!!!

True that the narrative from the Clinton camps hasn’t changed: “Hillary did it so despite the evidence there was no crime”
The trump camp is simply asking for evidence of a crime and after a year of violating the constitution nothing actionable has been found.


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Did Russia help Trump win the election? ... :dunno:

Neither you or I really know the answer to that question.

But if Russia did help put Trump get into the White House, then all I can say is, "Thank you Comrade!!" .... :thup:
Well, I said cons would ignore it.
He didn't ignore it you fucking illiterate loser.
Meanwhile, your negro messiah marxist gay said this.



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You stupid ass ignorant fucks. You are all so fucking owned.
 
Did you just call people conspiracy theorists?

You are the only one here who believes in a story that surpasses all evidence. This is crazier than the flat earth fantasy.

Bulldog believes that it HAD to be the ROOSKIES...because the fix was already in for the Hildebeast so Trump and the ROOSKIES had to of out-cheated the DNC.....
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It's kind of pathetic that from the moment she lost the left refused to take any responsibility for their own defeat. Trump won with less votes than Romney lost with. The Democrats lost because Hillary was a garbage candidate despised by millions on the left. If you supported Hillary in the primaries it is YOUR FAULT that Donald is now president.
Well, the Republicans contributed a lot by not offering anyone viable. Still, what was to be expected by the duopoly dictatorship, a real candidate?


I do not participate in the election process of what has become a banana republic....but I am starting to believe that the "white hats" really did recruit a reluctant Donald Trump to run in 2016 because he certainly didn't need this job and all the shit that comes with it. I hope and pray that the 40,000 plus unsealed indictments are real and that the swamp is going to be drained.
Oh, I don't doubt that the Russians preferred Trump to Hillary. That's not the issue. Heck, Hamas announced to the world in 2008 that they preferred Barack Obama over John McCain. The Palestinian Authority likewise left no doubt that they preferred Obama to McCain. Greece made it clear in 1988 that they preferred Greek-American Michael Dukakis over George H.W. Bush. There's no sin in a country or a foreign group preferring one American presidential candidate over the other. That proves nothing.

The issue is whether or not Trump and/or his senior people colluded with the Russians to sway the election, and on that point Mueller has not produced a shred of evidence that this occurred.
Mike, the fact that Mueller has not issued press reports about any findings does not mean there is not 'a shred of evidence that this (collusion) occurred'. And Mike, the President of the United States doth protest too much. Who knows, you may be right! But at least find out what the investigation discovers before you condemn it. I repeat, just because Mueller doesn't tweet his findings of these many months while the President daily spews into your ear only means none of us knows squat about the investigative side, excepting that several indictments have been issued. And you know nobody indicts unless the feel they have a viable case. The fat lady isn't singing yet!
So just ignore all the conflicts of interest now known of the Mueller team, and the FBI collusion, the hillbilly failed investigation, the players, Comey and the rest of the apple dumpling gang ?? Fat chance... Go Nunez go.
 
How is this relevant? The whole EU "backed" Clinton.

Norman, do you really think it's impossible that Trump did something that could land him in some hot water? He didn't become a billionaire by not being a greedy asshole. I could definitely see him taking help from Russia.

Being a greedy asshole (where asshole is used as synonym to being good businessman) is not against the law.

The Russian conspiracy theory is legit crazy. No evidence whatsoever. It indeed is impossible to catch him from colluding with the Russians as that didn't happen.
Hate to break it to ya kid, but "asshole" and "good businessman" are not synonymous.
 
Bulldog believes that it HAD to be the ROOSKIES...because the fix was already in for the Hildebeast so Trump and the ROOSKIES had to of out-cheated the DNC.....
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It's kind of pathetic that from the moment she lost the left refused to take any responsibility for their own defeat. Trump won with less votes than Romney lost with. The Democrats lost because Hillary was a garbage candidate despised by millions on the left. If you supported Hillary in the primaries it is YOUR FAULT that Donald is now president.
Well, the Republicans contributed a lot by not offering anyone viable. Still, what was to be expected by the duopoly dictatorship, a real candidate?


I do not participate in the election process of what has become a banana republic....but I am starting to believe that the "white hats" really did recruit a reluctant Donald Trump to run in 2016 because he certainly didn't need this job and all the shit that comes with it. I hope and pray that the 40,000 plus unsealed indictments are real and that the swamp is going to be drained.
Oh, I don't doubt that the Russians preferred Trump to Hillary. That's not the issue. Heck, Hamas announced to the world in 2008 that they preferred Barack Obama over John McCain. The Palestinian Authority likewise left no doubt that they preferred Obama to McCain. Greece made it clear in 1988 that they preferred Greek-American Michael Dukakis over George H.W. Bush. There's no sin in a country or a foreign group preferring one American presidential candidate over the other. That proves nothing.

The issue is whether or not Trump and/or his senior people colluded with the Russians to sway the election, and on that point Mueller has not produced a shred of evidence that this occurred.
Mike, the fact that Mueller has not issued press reports about any findings does not mean there is not 'a shred of evidence that this (collusion) occurred'. And Mike, the President of the United States doth protest too much. Who knows, you may be right! But at least find out what the investigation discovers before you condemn it. I repeat, just because Mueller doesn't tweet his findings of these many months while the President daily spews into your ear only means none of us knows squat about the investigative side, excepting that several indictments have been issued. And you know nobody indicts unless the feel they have a viable case. The fat lady isn't singing yet!
So just ignore all the conflicts of interest now known of the Mueller team, and the FBI collusion, the hillbilly failed investigation, the players, Comey and the rest of the apple dumpling gang ?? Fat chance... Go Nunez go.
The Mueller team doesn't have conflicts of interest. Those are all RWNJ inventions.
 

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