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Do you understand, they will be getting a standard deduction double what they had previously? And you really aren’t worried about the poor, as you wish not to pay property taxes so their children can be educated. You really surprise me, here. Better to run for the school board and try to change things there, rather than make an idiotic tie of the child tax credit and your having to pay school taxes.
Everyone received an increase to the standard deduction, I'm questioning why the GOP excluded millions of low income families from the child tax credit increase when everyone else up to $500k in income received this credit? Are we trying to punish low income families because that's the exact opposite of what president Trump promised them during the campaign isn't it. Dem's say we don't give a crap about the poor and this gifts them a prime example. Look are we going to drink our own koolaid or not?
huh? dude, not sure if you're being sarcastic or making a point. you know the poor don't file right? explain how the poor get credits for something they don't participate in? it's tax relief, not welfare. Blues, your confusing me man.Everyone benefits from an educated populace. Your point is meaningless babbling you have heard from parents with kids in private schools and homeschoolers.
I have no children in public schools either, but two of my grandchildren live in my home and I pay taxes for them to go to school. Do I pay the whole cost? Of course not! Very few people have that kind of money. My other grandchild attends school in another state and I do not pay taxes for her at all.
Kids today, yesterday and in the future attend schools paid for by all taxpayers mostly through property that they own or rent. If you have a problem with that, you need to take it up with your elected officials. You don't get to blame teachers and their union for something that every other government worker does also.
I stand by my claim that unless you pay taxes, why should you get anything not earned? I see people getting income tax refunds that exceed the amount of income taxes that my wife and I pay. I worked for my money to go to the federal government. I did not pay taxes so it could be turned right around and given to a high school dropout who just dropped their 3rd kid at the age of 19.
I took you by the hand and walked you right into the double standard hypocrisy buzz saw. I should pay teachers salaries, benefits, and pensions to educate other peoples kids when I have no kids that's okay because society as a whole benefits. But giving poor working families the increase in the child tax credit to help them raise and educate their kids that's not worthy? You get the credit is for kids right? Is that not also benefiting society as a whole? Holy hypocrisy bat man.
Everyone benefits from an educated populace. Your point is meaningless babbling you have heard from parents with kids in private schools and homeschoolers.
I have no children in public schools either, but two of my grandchildren live in my home and I pay taxes for them to go to school. Do I pay the whole cost? Of course not! Very few people have that kind of money. My other grandchild attends school in another state and I do not pay taxes for her at all.
Kids today, yesterday and in the future attend schools paid for by all taxpayers mostly through property that they own or rent. If you have a problem with that, you need to take it up with your elected officials. You don't get to blame teachers and their union for something that every other government worker does also.
I stand by my claim that unless you pay taxes, why should you get anything not earned? I see people getting income tax refunds that exceed the amount of income taxes that my wife and I pay. I worked for my money to go to the federal government. I did not pay taxes so it could be turned right around and given to a high school dropout who just dropped their 3rd kid at the age of 19.
I took you by the hand and walked you right into the double standard hypocrisy buzz saw. I should pay teachers salaries, benefits, and pensions to educate other peoples kids when I have no kids that's okay because society as a whole benefits. But giving poor working families the increase in the child tax credit to help them raise and educate their kids that's not worthy? You get the credit is for kids right? Is that not also benefiting society as a whole? Holy hypocrisy bat man.
Everyone benefits from an educated populace. Your point is meaningless babbling you have heard from parents with kids in private schools and homeschoolers.
I have no children in public schools either, but two of my grandchildren live in my home and I pay taxes for them to go to school. Do I pay the whole cost? Of course not! Very few people have that kind of money. My other grandchild attends school in another state and I do not pay taxes for her at all.
Kids today, yesterday and in the future attend schools paid for by all taxpayers mostly through property that they own or rent. If you have a problem with that, you need to take it up with your elected officials. You don't get to blame teachers and their union for something that every other government worker does also.
I stand by my claim that unless you pay taxes, why should you get anything not earned? I see people getting income tax refunds that exceed the amount of income taxes that my wife and I pay. I worked for my money to go to the federal government. I did not pay taxes so it could be turned right around and given to a high school dropout who just dropped their 3rd kid at the age of 19.
I took you by the hand and walked you right into the double standard hypocrisy buzz saw. I should pay teachers salaries, benefits, and pensions to educate other peoples kids when I have no kids that's okay because society as a whole benefits. But giving poor working families the increase in the child tax credit to help them raise and educate their kids that's not worthy? You get the credit is for kids right? Is that not also benefiting society as a whole? Holy hypocrisy bat man.
I know plenty of poor conservatives who voted for Trump.
If they are conservatives, they should know why they should not get a refund for taxes they did not pay.
But its okay for the teachers union to confiscate my money to pay to educate other people's kids? We better agree to disagree before this discussion gets ugly.
Please explain that to me! How does the teacher's union confiscate your money? You are making no sense here.
I have been FORCED to pay school taxes for decades to educate other peoples kids, money the teachers unions have extorted from me and taxpayers via strikes. You are taking a harsh social position saying poor families who don't make enough to owe any income tax should not be entitled to a child tax credit refund, I presume your position is one of fairness. Well okay then why is the teachers union entitled to 10's of thousands of dollars of MY money when I don't have any kids? Why am I forced to educate other peoples kids? They chose to have kids, I chose not to yet I'm stuck paying THEIR bills.
If you are going to take a harsh position on the child tax credit for poor families, you can't have it both ways. People should pay for their own damn kids education, I shouldn't have to pay for it. No less harsh a position than you are taking.
I was thinking that the teachers unions got their money from dues paying members, not the taxpayers.
If they are conservatives, they should know why they should not get a refund for taxes they did not pay.
But its okay for the teachers union to confiscate my money to pay to educate other people's kids? We better agree to disagree before this discussion gets ugly.
Please explain that to me! How does the teacher's union confiscate your money? You are making no sense here.
I have been FORCED to pay school taxes for decades to educate other peoples kids, money the teachers unions have extorted from me and taxpayers via strikes. You are taking a harsh social position saying poor families who don't make enough to owe any income tax should not be entitled to a child tax credit refund, I presume your position is one of fairness. Well okay then why is the teachers union entitled to 10's of thousands of dollars of MY money when I don't have any kids? Why am I forced to educate other peoples kids? They chose to have kids, I chose not to yet I'm stuck paying THEIR bills.
If you are going to take a harsh position on the child tax credit for poor families, you can't have it both ways. People should pay for their own damn kids education, I shouldn't have to pay for it. No less harsh a position than you are taking.
I was thinking that the teachers unions got their money from dues paying members, not the taxpayers.
Here teachers go out on strike extorting money from taxpayers. When your kids are supposed to be in school and you don't have childcare lined up and you have to work a job, the teachers go out on strike and millions of parents then have to scramble to arraign childcare, call in late for work or take time off, the teachers unions know this cost parents so much money and disruption that they will quickly fold to the teachers union demands.
Everyone benefits from an educated populace. Your point is meaningless babbling you have heard from parents with kids in private schools and homeschoolers.
I have no children in public schools either, but two of my grandchildren live in my home and I pay taxes for them to go to school. Do I pay the whole cost? Of course not! Very few people have that kind of money. My other grandchild attends school in another state and I do not pay taxes for her at all.
Kids today, yesterday and in the future attend schools paid for by all taxpayers mostly through property that they own or rent. If you have a problem with that, you need to take it up with your elected officials. You don't get to blame teachers and their union for something that every other government worker does also.
I stand by my claim that unless you pay taxes, why should you get anything not earned? I see people getting income tax refunds that exceed the amount of income taxes that my wife and I pay. I worked for my money to go to the federal government. I did not pay taxes so it could be turned right around and given to a high school dropout who just dropped their 3rd kid at the age of 19.
I took you by the hand and walked you right into the double standard hypocrisy buzz saw. I should pay teachers salaries, benefits, and pensions to educate other peoples kids when I have no kids that's okay because society as a whole benefits. But giving poor working families the increase in the child tax credit to help them raise and educate their kids that's not worthy? You get the credit is for kids right? Is that not also benefiting society as a whole? Holy hypocrisy bat man.
Getting extra money from my pocket does not help them raise and educate their kids. That is their responsibility. I already pay for their education, breakfast, lunch and sometimes dinner at school. Yet they draw SNAP also?
Everyone benefits from an educated populace. Your point is meaningless babbling you have heard from parents with kids in private schools and homeschoolers.
I have no children in public schools either, but two of my grandchildren live in my home and I pay taxes for them to go to school. Do I pay the whole cost? Of course not! Very few people have that kind of money. My other grandchild attends school in another state and I do not pay taxes for her at all.
Kids today, yesterday and in the future attend schools paid for by all taxpayers mostly through property that they own or rent. If you have a problem with that, you need to take it up with your elected officials. You don't get to blame teachers and their union for something that every other government worker does also.
I stand by my claim that unless you pay taxes, why should you get anything not earned? I see people getting income tax refunds that exceed the amount of income taxes that my wife and I pay. I worked for my money to go to the federal government. I did not pay taxes so it could be turned right around and given to a high school dropout who just dropped their 3rd kid at the age of 19.
I took you by the hand and walked you right into the double standard hypocrisy buzz saw. I should pay teachers salaries, benefits, and pensions to educate other peoples kids when I have no kids that's okay because society as a whole benefits. But giving poor working families the increase in the child tax credit to help them raise and educate their kids that's not worthy? You get the credit is for kids right? Is that not also benefiting society as a whole? Holy hypocrisy bat man.
Getting extra money from my pocket does not help them raise and educate their kids. That is their responsibility. I already pay for their education, breakfast, lunch and sometimes dinner at school. Yet they draw SNAP also?
Now we are making progress, I love it when I can get teachers to drop their 'do it for the kids' façade and tell us what they really think.
But its okay for the teachers union to confiscate my money to pay to educate other people's kids? We better agree to disagree before this discussion gets ugly.
Please explain that to me! How does the teacher's union confiscate your money? You are making no sense here.
I have been FORCED to pay school taxes for decades to educate other peoples kids, money the teachers unions have extorted from me and taxpayers via strikes. You are taking a harsh social position saying poor families who don't make enough to owe any income tax should not be entitled to a child tax credit refund, I presume your position is one of fairness. Well okay then why is the teachers union entitled to 10's of thousands of dollars of MY money when I don't have any kids? Why am I forced to educate other peoples kids? They chose to have kids, I chose not to yet I'm stuck paying THEIR bills.
If you are going to take a harsh position on the child tax credit for poor families, you can't have it both ways. People should pay for their own damn kids education, I shouldn't have to pay for it. No less harsh a position than you are taking.
I am truly sorry that you are so ignorant that you do not realize that the teacher's unions has nothing to do with taxes assessed on you.
The teachers union goes out on strike demanding higher taxes and gets them after extorting taxpayers with their strike and they had nothing to do with taxes???
You never drove by a school, seeing the kids in the playground, and said to yourself "hmm, my paying taxes helps these kids, helps this nation because they're future workers and taxpayers"?
You would think with such concern over abortion, the GOP would care about the born.Children's health care??????! WTF?“I have a rough time wanting to spend billions and billions and trillions of dollars to help people who won’t help themselves – won’t lift a finger – and expect the federal government to do everything.” - Heartless Hatch
vote them out. every last one of them!
Please explain that to me! How does the teacher's union confiscate your money? You are making no sense here.
I have been FORCED to pay school taxes for decades to educate other peoples kids, money the teachers unions have extorted from me and taxpayers via strikes. You are taking a harsh social position saying poor families who don't make enough to owe any income tax should not be entitled to a child tax credit refund, I presume your position is one of fairness. Well okay then why is the teachers union entitled to 10's of thousands of dollars of MY money when I don't have any kids? Why am I forced to educate other peoples kids? They chose to have kids, I chose not to yet I'm stuck paying THEIR bills.
If you are going to take a harsh position on the child tax credit for poor families, you can't have it both ways. People should pay for their own damn kids education, I shouldn't have to pay for it. No less harsh a position than you are taking.
I am truly sorry that you are so ignorant that you do not realize that the teacher's unions has nothing to do with taxes assessed on you.
The teachers union goes out on strike demanding higher taxes and gets them after extorting taxpayers with their strike and they had nothing to do with taxes???
You never drove by a school, seeing the kids in the playground, and said to yourself "hmm, my paying taxes helps these kids, helps this nation because they're future workers and taxpayers"?
I drive by schools and look at the crumbling school buildings and think to myself, hmmm didn't I just approve a tax levy to fix these school buildings? This was studied in my area...the teachers union campaigns for tax increases citing crumbling school buildings, lack of books and computers, all the tug at your heart things they think taxpayers will shed a tear over and vote yes on the tax increase. THEN as soon as the levy is approve the teachers union rushes in and gobbles up all the money for salary increases, benefits, and pensions else they threaten strikes. So the buildings don't get fixed, the school supplies don't get purchased. And they come back asking for another tax increase next year citing the exact same tug at your heart reasons.
When my school district was campaigning for a large tax increase recently they cited 3 main reasons for the increase. I looked into these and found all three were lies. When I pointed out that reason 1 was eliminated by the state, reason 2 hasn't been true for several years and reason 3 was also bunk do you know how the teachers reacted? Their hatred and loathing for taxpayers spewed out like a fountain and they told me to move out of their district. One of the teachers tried to apologize to me and I said no, I welcome teachers telling me exactly how they really feel.
You know, having had numerous family members that were teachers, I find that really offensive.
We get it, you want to blame everything on them. Are there bad apples? Yes, just as in any field. But most are there because they do care. I don’t care for the teachers union, as many of my family that we’re teachers didn’t. But they also knew they would protect them, if ever a false charge was levied against them.
Quit blaming the teachers. Blame the union, since that is your real beef. And start an honest thread on that topic, rather than playing these silly games. You actually make yourself look dishonest.
They are not excluded. They can get a credit of up to $2 grand they paid in. If they didn’t pay in, then they are already getting subsidies in some form or another, usually worth much more than that $2 grand and per month. How you see that as penalizing people, is beyond me.
You know, having had numerous family members that were teachers, I find that really offensive.
We get it, you want to blame everything on them. Are there bad apples? Yes, just as in any field. But most are there because they do care. I don’t care for the teachers union, as many of my family that we’re teachers didn’t. But they also knew they would protect them, if ever a false charge was levied against them.
Quit blaming the teachers. Blame the union, since that is your real beef. And start an honest thread on that topic, rather than playing these silly games. You actually make yourself look dishonest.
Excellent now we can discuss why the public school system is so screwed up. Tell me why are new teachers full of energy and passion about teaching kids paid shit salaries? Yes the teachers at the top gobble up the lions share of the money and many of those are in the HUGE bloated layer of non teaching FAT aka school administrators. Teachers who no longer want to teach raking in a ridiculous salary, benefit, and pension package doing some joke of an administrative job. Did you know that in one state there was 1 highly paid school administrator for every 2 teachers on the payroll.
Can we recruit the best and brightest into the teaching profession paying new teachers half the salary they should be making out of college? Christ I know new teachers, married teachers who have to live in their parents home because they can't afford their own place on the shit starting salaries they are paid.
I would pay double the school taxes I currently pay if the screwed up public school system was corrected AND I'd feel good about paying them, that MY money was actually making a difference. I have no interest in paying more taxes just to pad the salaries, benefits, and pensions of a bloated administrative layer at the top of the food chain while new teachers are tossed table scraps.
huh? dude, not sure if you're being sarcastic or making a point. you know the poor don't file right? explain how the poor get credits for something they don't participate in? it's tax relief, not welfare. Blues, your confusing me man.Everyone benefits from an educated populace. Your point is meaningless babbling you have heard from parents with kids in private schools and homeschoolers.
I have no children in public schools either, but two of my grandchildren live in my home and I pay taxes for them to go to school. Do I pay the whole cost? Of course not! Very few people have that kind of money. My other grandchild attends school in another state and I do not pay taxes for her at all.
Kids today, yesterday and in the future attend schools paid for by all taxpayers mostly through property that they own or rent. If you have a problem with that, you need to take it up with your elected officials. You don't get to blame teachers and their union for something that every other government worker does also.
I stand by my claim that unless you pay taxes, why should you get anything not earned? I see people getting income tax refunds that exceed the amount of income taxes that my wife and I pay. I worked for my money to go to the federal government. I did not pay taxes so it could be turned right around and given to a high school dropout who just dropped their 3rd kid at the age of 19.
I took you by the hand and walked you right into the double standard hypocrisy buzz saw. I should pay teachers salaries, benefits, and pensions to educate other peoples kids when I have no kids that's okay because society as a whole benefits. But giving poor working families the increase in the child tax credit to help them raise and educate their kids that's not worthy? You get the credit is for kids right? Is that not also benefiting society as a whole? Holy hypocrisy bat man.
Everyone benefits from an educated populace. Your point is meaningless babbling you have heard from parents with kids in private schools and homeschoolers.
I have no children in public schools either, but two of my grandchildren live in my home and I pay taxes for them to go to school. Do I pay the whole cost? Of course not! Very few people have that kind of money. My other grandchild attends school in another state and I do not pay taxes for her at all.
Kids today, yesterday and in the future attend schools paid for by all taxpayers mostly through property that they own or rent. If you have a problem with that, you need to take it up with your elected officials. You don't get to blame teachers and their union for something that every other government worker does also.
I stand by my claim that unless you pay taxes, why should you get anything not earned? I see people getting income tax refunds that exceed the amount of income taxes that my wife and I pay. I worked for my money to go to the federal government. I did not pay taxes so it could be turned right around and given to a high school dropout who just dropped their 3rd kid at the age of 19.
I took you by the hand and walked you right into the double standard hypocrisy buzz saw. I should pay teachers salaries, benefits, and pensions to educate other peoples kids when I have no kids that's okay because society as a whole benefits. But giving poor working families the increase in the child tax credit to help them raise and educate their kids that's not worthy? You get the credit is for kids right? Is that not also benefiting society as a whole? Holy hypocrisy bat man.
Getting extra money from my pocket does not help them raise and educate their kids. That is their responsibility. I already pay for their education, breakfast, lunch and sometimes dinner at school. Yet they draw SNAP also?
Hey look, the poor were left out of this tax bill FACT! The cheap bastard GOP wouldn't even extend to them the increase in the child tax credit they gave to everyone else, though some GOP senators lobbied for this.
I'm a fiscal conservative, I HATE liberals, but cutting everyone a break except the poor was retarded. We don't want the poor to remain poor HELLO for fucks sake.
So, be honest here. You have a problem with school districts spending and teachers unions. That is totally a different topic. Now, if you are honest, you would start a new thread on that, rather than dishonestly try to tie this to it.
But its okay for the teachers union to confiscate my money to pay to educate other people's kids? We better agree to disagree before this discussion gets ugly.
Please explain that to me! How does the teacher's union confiscate your money? You are making no sense here.
I have been FORCED to pay school taxes for decades to educate other peoples kids, money the teachers unions have extorted from me and taxpayers via strikes. You are taking a harsh social position saying poor families who don't make enough to owe any income tax should not be entitled to a child tax credit refund, I presume your position is one of fairness. Well okay then why is the teachers union entitled to 10's of thousands of dollars of MY money when I don't have any kids? Why am I forced to educate other peoples kids? They chose to have kids, I chose not to yet I'm stuck paying THEIR bills.
If you are going to take a harsh position on the child tax credit for poor families, you can't have it both ways. People should pay for their own damn kids education, I shouldn't have to pay for it. No less harsh a position than you are taking.
I was thinking that the teachers unions got their money from dues paying members, not the taxpayers.
Here teachers go out on strike extorting money from taxpayers. When your kids are supposed to be in school and you don't have childcare lined up and you have to work a job, the teachers go out on strike and millions of parents then have to scramble to arraign childcare, call in late for work or take time off, the teachers unions know this cost parents so much money and disruption that they will quickly fold to the teachers union demands.
Hey look, the poor were left out of this tax bill FACT! The cheap bastard GOP wouldn't even extend to them the increase in the child tax credit they gave to everyone else, though some GOP senators lobbied for this.
I'm a fiscal conservative, I HATE liberals, but cutting everyone a break except the poor was retarded. We don't want the poor to remain poor HELLO for fucks sake.
The bottom 50% already don't pay income taxes. I think that's good, but it does point out why they can't get a tax cut...they already don't pay income taxes.
So, be honest here. You have a problem with school districts spending and teachers unions. That is totally a different topic. Now, if you are honest, you would start a new thread on that, rather than dishonestly try to tie this to it.
Please explain that to me! How does the teacher's union confiscate your money? You are making no sense here.
I have been FORCED to pay school taxes for decades to educate other peoples kids, money the teachers unions have extorted from me and taxpayers via strikes. You are taking a harsh social position saying poor families who don't make enough to owe any income tax should not be entitled to a child tax credit refund, I presume your position is one of fairness. Well okay then why is the teachers union entitled to 10's of thousands of dollars of MY money when I don't have any kids? Why am I forced to educate other peoples kids? They chose to have kids, I chose not to yet I'm stuck paying THEIR bills.
If you are going to take a harsh position on the child tax credit for poor families, you can't have it both ways. People should pay for their own damn kids education, I shouldn't have to pay for it. No less harsh a position than you are taking.
I was thinking that the teachers unions got their money from dues paying members, not the taxpayers.
Here teachers go out on strike extorting money from taxpayers. When your kids are supposed to be in school and you don't have childcare lined up and you have to work a job, the teachers go out on strike and millions of parents then have to scramble to arraign childcare, call in late for work or take time off, the teachers unions know this cost parents so much money and disruption that they will quickly fold to the teachers union demands.
I used public school funding to counter the argument by some that poor working families should be excluded from the child tax credit increase which is precisely dead center of the thread's topic, you follow? That said I'll refrain from this line of debate if you wish.
