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i just heard that some jews want to put some jewish symbols on the legislative buildings in DC. anybody got a problem with that?
Yes. Jewish, Muslim, Christian, Zoroastrianist, Shinto...whatever. Religious symbols should not be permanently displayed on government buildings. They are not religious institutes.
My understanding is that Moses is very prominently displayed both inside and outside of the Supreme Court and permanenly as well.
Since I suspect that CITM mentioned this in a way to show Christian hypocrisy, I won't bother to really answer it as if it were going to happen, but I will say that I would not have a problem with it so long as it was done in good taste.
Immie
My understanding is that Moses is very prominently displayed both inside and outside of the Supreme Court and permanenly as well.
Since I suspect that CITM mentioned this in a way to show Christian hypocrisy, I won't bother to really answer it as if it were going to happen, but I will say that I would not have a problem with it so long as it was done in good taste.
Immie
Yeah I am aware that such religious displays do exist. I mean it's not an issue that I get worked up in a froth over, but if someone bothers to ask my opinion I will give it. Sometimes it can be difficult as well because in some instances we may be dealing with fine artwork that I would hate to see removed simply because it has religious connotations. And yes my guess is that CITM was hoping to expose the hypocrites as well.
My understanding is that Moses is very prominently displayed both inside and outside of the Supreme Court and permanenly as well.
Since I suspect that CITM mentioned this in a way to show Christian hypocrisy, I won't bother to really answer it as if it were going to happen, but I will say that I would not have a problem with it so long as it was done in good taste.
Immie
Yeah I am aware that such religious displays do exist. I mean it's not an issue that I get worked up in a froth over, but if someone bothers to ask my opinion I will give it. Sometimes it can be difficult as well because in some instances we may be dealing with fine artwork that I would hate to see removed simply because it has religious connotations. And yes my guess is that CITM was hoping to expose the hypocrites as well.
It is our duty to alert the hypocrites before they step in it.
Immie
this is what personhood laws are going to do. if a law passes that a fertilized egg is actually a person under the law, this makes most all forms of birth control illegal. since the pill does not stop an egg from being fertilized, it stops it from adhering to the uterus wall. thus if a state passes personhood law, using the Pill would be considered murder and punishable as such. unless the murder laws were changed to take this into account. but the this is exactly what the pro life crowd wants. this is in effect an effort to get around Roe v. Wade without actually repealing it.No links? No legislation?
Stand by for vicious private message!!!
what do you think "personhood laws" are, hon?
they sure aren't secular.
how about efforts to take away reproductive choice and torture women with unnecessary medical procedures if they choose to exercise their rights?
Where has anyone suggested taking away reproductive rights?
this is what personhood laws are going to do. if a law passes that a fertilized egg is actually a person under the law, this makes most all forms of birth control illegal. since the pill does not stop an egg from being fertilized, it stops it from adhering to the uterus wall. thus if a state passes personhood law, using the Pill would be considered murder and punishable as such. unless the murder laws were changed to take this into account. but the this is exactly what the pro life crowd wants. this is in effect an effort to get around Roe v. Wade without actually repealing it.what do you think "personhood laws" are, hon?
they sure aren't secular.
how about efforts to take away reproductive choice and torture women with unnecessary medical procedures if they choose to exercise their rights?
Where has anyone suggested taking away reproductive rights?
this is what personhood laws are going to do. if a law passes that a fertilized egg is actually a person under the law, this makes most all forms of birth control illegal. since the pill does not stop an egg from being fertilized, it stops it from adhering to the uterus wall. thus if a state passes personhood law, using the Pill would be considered murder and punishable as such. unless the murder laws were changed to take this into account. but the this is exactly what the pro life crowd wants. this is in effect an effort to get around Roe v. Wade without actually repealing it.what do you think "personhood laws" are, hon?
they sure aren't secular.
how about efforts to take away reproductive choice and torture women with unnecessary medical procedures if they choose to exercise their rights?
Where has anyone suggested taking away reproductive rights?
look at how the personhood law that didnt pass in Mississippi was written.this is what personhood laws are going to do. if a law passes that a fertilized egg is actually a person under the law, this makes most all forms of birth control illegal. since the pill does not stop an egg from being fertilized, it stops it from adhering to the uterus wall. thus if a state passes personhood law, using the Pill would be considered murder and punishable as such. unless the murder laws were changed to take this into account. but the this is exactly what the pro life crowd wants. this is in effect an effort to get around Roe v. Wade without actually repealing it.Where has anyone suggested taking away reproductive rights?
Do you have anything to prove what you say the pro-life crowd wants or are you just presuming to speak for us?
I can't think of any other reasons, myself, but I am not a strategy planner either.
I'd really like to see the solid evidence you seem to have.
Immie
this is what personhood laws are going to do. if a law passes that a fertilized egg is actually a person under the law, this makes most all forms of birth control illegal. since the pill does not stop an egg from being fertilized, it stops it from adhering to the uterus wall. thus if a state passes personhood law, using the Pill would be considered murder and punishable as such. unless the murder laws were changed to take this into account. but the this is exactly what the pro life crowd wants. this is in effect an effort to get around Roe v. Wade without actually repealing it.
look at how the personhood law that didnt pass in Mississippi was written.this is what personhood laws are going to do. if a law passes that a fertilized egg is actually a person under the law, this makes most all forms of birth control illegal. since the pill does not stop an egg from being fertilized, it stops it from adhering to the uterus wall. thus if a state passes personhood law, using the Pill would be considered murder and punishable as such. unless the murder laws were changed to take this into account. but the this is exactly what the pro life crowd wants. this is in effect an effort to get around Roe v. Wade without actually repealing it.
Do you have anything to prove what you say the pro-life crowd wants or are you just presuming to speak for us?
I can't think of any other reasons, myself, but I am not a strategy planner either.
I'd really like to see the solid evidence you seem to have.
Immie
Mississippi voting on 'personhood' amendment - CNN
Initiative 26 would define personhood as "every human being from the moment of fertilization, cloning or the functional equivalent thereof.
Because the amendment would define a fertilized egg as a person with full legal rights, it could have an impact on a woman's ability to get the morning-after pill or birth control pills that destroy fertilized eggs.
It could make in vitro fertilization treatments more difficult because it could become illegal to dispose of unused fertilized eggs. This could lead to a nationwide debate about women's rights and abortion while setting up a possible challenge to the landmark Roe v. Wade case, which makes abortion legal.
The ballot initiative is part of a national campaign brought by Personhood USA. The Colorado-based group describes itself as a nonprofit Christian ministry that "serves the pro-life community by assisting local groups to initiate citizen, legislative, and political action focusing on the ultimate goal of the pro-life movement: personhood rights for all innocent humans."
Clergy and church officials in the heavily religious state are split on the issue. Some anti-abortion religious groups say they think this step may be so extreme, it could lead to a Supreme Court ruling that actually strengthens Roe v. Wade.
this is from Personhood USA:look at how the personhood law that didnt pass in Mississippi was written.Do you have anything to prove what you say the pro-life crowd wants or are you just presuming to speak for us?
I can't think of any other reasons, myself, but I am not a strategy planner either.
I'd really like to see the solid evidence you seem to have.
Immie
Mississippi voting on 'personhood' amendment - CNN
Initiative 26 would define personhood as "every human being from the moment of fertilization, cloning or the functional equivalent thereof.
Because the amendment would define a fertilized egg as a person with full legal rights, it could have an impact on a woman's ability to get the morning-after pill or birth control pills that destroy fertilized eggs.
It could make in vitro fertilization treatments more difficult because it could become illegal to dispose of unused fertilized eggs. This could lead to a nationwide debate about women's rights and abortion while setting up a possible challenge to the landmark Roe v. Wade case, which makes abortion legal.
The ballot initiative is part of a national campaign brought by Personhood USA. The Colorado-based group describes itself as a nonprofit Christian ministry that "serves the pro-life community by assisting local groups to initiate citizen, legislative, and political action focusing on the ultimate goal of the pro-life movement: personhood rights for all innocent humans."
Clergy and church officials in the heavily religious state are split on the issue. Some anti-abortion religious groups say they think this step may be so extreme, it could lead to a Supreme Court ruling that actually strengthens Roe v. Wade.
I don't see anything in your link that speaks as to what the reasons of the pro-life movement are. CNN by no means speaks for the pro-life movement, that is for sure. Will you next be telling us that the Alan Guttmacher Institute speaks for the pro-life movement? How about NOW? Emily's List? NARAL Pro-Choice America?
Immie
Because the amendment would define a fertilized egg as a person with full legal rights, it could have an impact on a woman's ability to get the morning-after pill or birth control pills that destroy fertilized eggs.I'm still waiting to hear what "most all forms of birth control" will be illegal....
What spew.
Because the amendment would define a fertilized egg as a person with full legal rights, it could have an impact on a woman's ability to get the morning-after pill or birth control pills that destroy fertilized eggs.I'm still waiting to hear what "most all forms of birth control" will be illegal....
What spew.
did you not see this post?
look at how the personhood law that didnt pass in Mississippi was written.this is what personhood laws are going to do. if a law passes that a fertilized egg is actually a person under the law, this makes most all forms of birth control illegal. since the pill does not stop an egg from being fertilized, it stops it from adhering to the uterus wall. thus if a state passes personhood law, using the Pill would be considered murder and punishable as such. unless the murder laws were changed to take this into account. but the this is exactly what the pro life crowd wants. this is in effect an effort to get around Roe v. Wade without actually repealing it.
Do you have anything to prove what you say the pro-life crowd wants or are you just presuming to speak for us?
I can't think of any other reasons, myself, but I am not a strategy planner either.
I'd really like to see the solid evidence you seem to have.
Immie
Mississippi voting on 'personhood' amendment - CNN
Initiative 26 would define personhood as "every human being from the moment of fertilization, cloning or the functional equivalent thereof.
Because the amendment would define a fertilized egg as a person with full legal rights, it could have an impact on a woman's ability to get the morning-after pill or birth control pills that destroy fertilized eggs.
It could make in vitro fertilization treatments more difficult because it could become illegal to dispose of unused fertilized eggs. This could lead to a nationwide debate about women's rights and abortion while setting up a possible challenge to the landmark Roe v. Wade case, which makes abortion legal.
The ballot initiative is part of a national campaign brought by Personhood USA. The Colorado-based group describes itself as a nonprofit Christian ministry that "serves the pro-life community by assisting local groups to initiate citizen, legislative, and political action focusing on the ultimate goal of the pro-life movement: personhood rights for all innocent humans."
Clergy and church officials in the heavily religious state are split on the issue. Some anti-abortion religious groups say they think this step may be so extreme, it could lead to a Supreme Court ruling that actually strengthens Roe v. Wade.
this is what personhood laws are going to do. if a law passes that a fertilized egg is actually a person under the law, this makes most all forms of birth control illegal. since the pill does not stop an egg from being fertilized, it stops it from adhering to the uterus wall. thus if a state passes personhood law, using the Pill would be considered murder and punishable as such. unless the murder laws were changed to take this into account. but the this is exactly what the pro life crowd wants. this is in effect an effort to get around Roe v. Wade without actually repealing it.
Moving churches and the culture to make the dehumanization and murdering of preborn children unthinkable.
Personhood USA opposes vigilante violence.
One for the road:Rick Santorum on Sunday took on of separation of church and state.
As opposed to jobs and the economy – one of the many reasons why Obama will be reelected.
Fortunately no one cares what Santorum thinks, and it’s not his call to make. Only the Supreme Court has the authority to interpret the Constitution, and determine the Framers’ intent.
The case law is clear and settled: the Framers indeed intended to establish a wall of separation between church and State.
Santorum’s desire to violate the Constitution and the Framers’ intent is obviously predicated on the authoritarian nature of conservatism, where all must conform and diversity must be punished, particularly with regard to matters of religion.
It’s right here:
There’s also no mention of an individual right to own a handgun in the Second Amendment, but I don’t hear you or others on the right complaining about that.
Remember that the Constitution exist only in the context of its case law.
Incorrect. See: Illinois ex rel. McCollum v. Board of Education of School District
The Supreme Court doesn't have that authority.
Incorrect. See: Marbury v. Madison
Dude ... you aren't giving any links to statements in the constitution, just more examples of the court doing things they don't have the power to do.
apparently reasoning and reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits.look at how the personhood law that didnt pass in Mississippi was written.Do you have anything to prove what you say the pro-life crowd wants or are you just presuming to speak for us?
I can't think of any other reasons, myself, but I am not a strategy planner either.
I'd really like to see the solid evidence you seem to have.
Immie
Mississippi voting on 'personhood' amendment - CNN
Initiative 26 would define personhood as "every human being from the moment of fertilization, cloning or the functional equivalent thereof.
Because the amendment would define a fertilized egg as a person with full legal rights, it could have an impact on a woman's ability to get the morning-after pill or birth control pills that destroy fertilized eggs.
It could make in vitro fertilization treatments more difficult because it could become illegal to dispose of unused fertilized eggs. This could lead to a nationwide debate about women's rights and abortion while setting up a possible challenge to the landmark Roe v. Wade case, which makes abortion legal.
The ballot initiative is part of a national campaign brought by Personhood USA. The Colorado-based group describes itself as a nonprofit Christian ministry that "serves the pro-life community by assisting local groups to initiate citizen, legislative, and political action focusing on the ultimate goal of the pro-life movement: personhood rights for all innocent humans."
Clergy and church officials in the heavily religious state are split on the issue. Some anti-abortion religious groups say they think this step may be so extreme, it could lead to a Supreme Court ruling that actually strengthens Roe v. Wade.
This is what you claimed the pro-life movement wants:
Emphasis added.
I don't see anything that backs up your statements in the About Us for Personhood USA.
Here is something they encourage people to do:
Moving churches and the culture to make the dehumanization and murdering of preborn children unthinkable.
Do you really find the idea of changing the hearts and minds of people in a non-violent manner:
Personhood USA opposes vigilante violence.
as reprehensible as it seems you do? I actually think it is a commendable goal.
Oh and by the way, Personhood USA doesn't speak for the pro-life movement either, only themselves.
Immie
apparently reasoning and reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits.look at how the personhood law that didnt pass in Mississippi was written.
Mississippi voting on 'personhood' amendment - CNN
Initiative 26 would define personhood as "every human being from the moment of fertilization, cloning or the functional equivalent thereof.
Because the amendment would define a fertilized egg as a person with full legal rights, it could have an impact on a woman's ability to get the morning-after pill or birth control pills that destroy fertilized eggs.
It could make in vitro fertilization treatments more difficult because it could become illegal to dispose of unused fertilized eggs. This could lead to a nationwide debate about women's rights and abortion while setting up a possible challenge to the landmark Roe v. Wade case, which makes abortion legal.
The ballot initiative is part of a national campaign brought by Personhood USA. The Colorado-based group describes itself as a nonprofit Christian ministry that "serves the pro-life community by assisting local groups to initiate citizen, legislative, and political action focusing on the ultimate goal of the pro-life movement: personhood rights for all innocent humans."
Clergy and church officials in the heavily religious state are split on the issue. Some anti-abortion religious groups say they think this step may be so extreme, it could lead to a Supreme Court ruling that actually strengthens Roe v. Wade.
This is what you claimed the pro-life movement wants:
Emphasis added.
I don't see anything that backs up your statements in the About Us for Personhood USA.
Here is something they encourage people to do:
Do you really find the idea of changing the hearts and minds of people in a non-violent manner:
Personhood USA opposes vigilante violence.
as reprehensible as it seems you do? I actually think it is a commendable goal.
Oh and by the way, Personhood USA doesn't speak for the pro-life movement either, only themselves.
Immie
"Personhood USA serves the pro-life community"
"Personhood is a movement working to respect the God-given right to life by recognizing all human beings as persons who are “created in the image of God” from the beginning of their biological development, without exceptions."
"Personhood USA desires to glorify Jesus Christ in a way that creates a culture of life so that all innocent human lives are protected by love and by law.
Personhood USA serves the pro-life community by assisting local groups to initiate citizen, legislative, and political action focusing on the ultimate goal of the pro-life movement: personhood rights for all innocent humans.
We intend to build the support of at least two thirds of the states in an effort to reaffirm personhood within the U.S. Constitution."
now tell us all what birth control (i.e. the pill of plan b) does............... it either destroys a fertilized egg............ or it prevents a fertilized egg from attaching the to uterus wall................... if life is defined (as personhood usa wants a constitutional ammendment stating so) as at the moment of conception. using the pill or plan b is then considered murder and a women using said birth control could be charged as such.
learn to think for yourself for once.
now tell us all what birth control (i.e. the pill of plan b) does............... it either destroys a fertilized egg............ or it prevents a fertilized egg from attaching the to uterus wall................... if life is defined (as personhood usa wants a constitutional ammendment stating so) as at the moment of conception. using the pill or plan b is then considered murder and a women using said birth control could be charged as such.
learn to think for yourself for once.
