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Again -- is adultery a conservative value?
Who's going to come out of their safe space and actually answer the question?
Dude, those are anal beads. In fact I'm pretty sure that's Elton John in the pic. No offense to Elton John, I do like "his" music.
Its Bill Hicks, ya freak. Go watch some of your gay porn that caters to your anal bead fetish or whatever the fuck you're into.
I don't know why they're trying to pass off Elton John as Bill Hicks, but those are in fact anal beads. Only question is were they removed from his mouth before or afterwards?
No, you are engaging in tu quoque all throughout this thread. I am not the goddamn topic of this thread no matter how much you want to make it about me.
Nor would I ever cheat on my wife, nor did I endorse Clinton's adultery. Ready to discuss the thread topic now?
I can tell that this thread subject is really frustrating for you, which is good. You should feel frustrated. It's always frustrating when know-it-all conservatives have to come face to face with their own hypocrisy.
You're either going to denounce adultery and act on that belief with your vote, or you're going to push it aside and live your life like a moral relativist, selectively choosing which morals you're going to indulge in on a day to day, moment to moment basis as if you're at a buffet. Right now, guess which one you're doing?
Conservatives are only against adultery when it doesn't interfere with their adultery.
Something I never saw much of over the past year was discussion about Trump's blatant admissions of affairs with married women. I find this interesting, and it makes me wonder -- is adultery a conservative value?
Forgiveness is a Christian value. Especially since he's behaving himself at the moment...
Y'all didn't give a shit about Slick Willie's shenanigans while he was President, hell, most of my friends on the left and in the media have always pushed the narrative that we were creating a national incident over a blowjob.
Y'all didn't care that he lied about it.
Y'all didn't care about Obama's lies, nor did you care about Mrs Clinton's lies and malfeasance.
So no, I ain't fixin to get worked up over something my guy bragged about doing 20 - 40 years ago.
Serious answer.
Let me sum up your post in four words. "Bill did it too!" (Lame)
You admitted that even though you wouldn't cheat on your hand, you don't care to vote for someone to represent you that is a sinner who would commit things that don't represent your own values.
What? I voted for the guy. But somehow that makes me culpable for supporting adultery. Using guilt by association is dishonest.
Wrong... you voted for him to represent you and your COUNTRY.
And? Does that make me racist, bigoted, or xenophobic too? You can't just sit there and apply Trump's values to the values of his voters because they voted for him. Should I simply define you by who you did or didn't vote for?
That's not what this thread is about... but glad you admitted he is racist, bigoted, and xenophobic. You are making progress.
So, once again -- is adultery a conservative value?
Your conflation is funny.
Are you saying Christians have to vote for people who hold Christian values ?
What ever happened to separation of church and state ?
I guess you can ignore that when it suites you.
So, once again -- is adultery a conservative value?
Your conflation is funny.
Are you saying Christians have to vote for people who hold Christian values ?
What ever happened to separation of church and state ?
I guess you can ignore that when it suites you.
Uh, the right hates the separation of church and state.
No, you are engaging in tu quoque all throughout this thread. I am not the goddamn topic of this thread no matter how much you want to make it about me.
That is a deflection. You are the author of this thread and are subject to the same amount of criticism as your points are. You committed three argumentative fallacies, 1) you employed guilt by association, 2) you engaged in non causa pro causa (false cause) arguments, and 3) used hasty generalization fallacies to say that if we conservatives vote for a man who committed adultery, that we are therefore adulterous, and further therefore endorse and espouse adultery as a matter of principle and are traitors to our Christian beliefs. As such, as your argument goes, that such a vote would indicate that adultery is a held conservative belief.
Such reasoning is deserving of the utmost contempt.
Nor would I ever cheat on my wife, nor did I endorse Clinton's adultery. Ready to discuss the thread topic now?
I never made that assumption about you. However, you did make that assumption about me and every other conservative in this thread, or those who voted for Trump. That's the difference between me and you. I'm not prone to making such wild assumptions about people, nor do I resort to labeling someone because of who they happened to vote for. You doing that only shows you have insufficient means to defend your premise.
And I am discussing the topic. You chose to attack us for betraying our faith by voting for a man who committed the sin of adultery. Therefore I am entitled to attack you, your argument, and your character in return. You are not allowed to have a free hand in making such baseless assumptions about people without suffering a direct attack on your character. You went there first. You backed yourself into a corner.
I can tell that this thread subject is really frustrating for you, which is good. You should feel frustrated. It's always frustrating when know-it-all conservatives have to come face to face with their own hypocrisy.
This is you engaging in ad hominem. If this topic isn't about you as you claim, why, all of a sudden, are you making it about me? I brought you face to face with your own hypocrisy, then you deflected, insulted, and then deflected some more.
You're either going to denounce adultery and act on that belief with your vote, or you're going to push it aside and live your life like a moral relativist, selectively choosing which morals you're going to indulge in on a day to day, moment to moment basis as if you're at a buffet. Right now, guess which one you're doing?
Sigh. This is indeed nothing but a giant false cause argument. That somehow due to my vote for a man who committed adultery, you are allowed to superimpose values on me that I do not support. You then get to impugn on my religious beliefs as a result of that same vote. Just because I voted for a man who committed adultery does not mean I will readily commit adultery against the first woman I marry.
There are other reasons why I voted for Trump, and his adultery was not one of them. If I am to preach my small government premise to the world, my first thing to do would not to stick my nose into his marital affairs. It would be hypocritical for me to say "government should stay out of the bedroom and marriage!" if I begin critiquing his love life and who he has sex with.
Your point is lost.
So, once again -- is adultery a conservative value?
Your conflation is funny.
Are you saying Christians have to vote for people who hold Christian values ?
What ever happened to separation of church and state ?
I guess you can ignore that when it suites you.
Uh, the right hates the separation of church and state.
Uh, no it doesn't. Not at the federal level which is what Jefferson was referencing.
It's you that is attempting to tie sexual morals to a presidential candidate.
So, once again -- is adultery a conservative value?
Your conflation is funny.
Are you saying Christians have to vote for people who hold Christian values ?
What ever happened to separation of church and state ?
I guess you can ignore that when it suites you.
Uh, the right hates the separation of church and state.
Uh, no it doesn't. Not at the federal level which is what Jefferson was referencing.
It's you that is attempting to tie sexual morals to a presidential candidate.
Jefferson supported it, but the modern day conservative never got the memo. I guess the fake news sites haven't been reporting on it...
Something I never saw much of over the past year was discussion about Trump's blatant admissions of affairs with married women. I find this interesting, and it makes me wonder -- is adultery a conservative value?
For those who don't know what I'm talking about, here's Trump admitting to affairs in his book, The Art of the Comeback:
"If I told the real stories of my experiences with women, often seemingly very happily married and important women, this book would be a guaranteed best-seller."He also said:
"I have too much respect for women in general, but if I did [write about my love life], the world would take serious notice. Beautiful, famous, successful, married — I've had them all, secretly, the world's biggest names..."We also know that Donald began a sexual relationship with his second wife, Marla Maples, while he was still married to his first wife, Ivanka, in the months after she said he raped her.
We also know that Christian evangelists report being "very excited" about Trump's win.
Is this because adultery, affairs and sex outside of marriage are conservative values?
What I find interesting is that you people think you have the moral ground to hold Christians accountable to Christian standards when it is you, Liberals, who have no standards. What you are doing is simply classic Alinsky..........attempt to hold other people to those peoples' standards. We tried your way and it failed. In fact, why don't you ask yourselves as to why you say you are for women, speak out against rape and assault against women, yet multiple women come out with allegations against Bill Clinton, and your knee jerk reaction is to smear and ridicule the women?
"But but but but but CLINTOOOOONNNN!!!!!!!!"
You people are standing in sand......no ground to question Christians on morals and standards when you people have none.
Funny LeftofLeft
by your grounds for judging
if we all had to be good Christians in order to question others,
nobody would have that right because you could find flaws with EVERYONE!
Of COURSE people are going to question.
That is how we learn, by asking and sharing!
Would you scold a math student for questioning
the right and wrong ways to do math because
they are BAD at it? How do you expect a
student to get better if they can't QUESTION??
So, once again -- is adultery a conservative value?
Your conflation is funny.
Are you saying Christians have to vote for people who hold Christian values ?
What ever happened to separation of church and state ?
I guess you can ignore that when it suites you.
Uh, the right hates the separation of church and state.
Uh, no it doesn't. Not at the federal level which is what Jefferson was referencing.
It's you that is attempting to tie sexual morals to a presidential candidate.
Jefferson supported it, but the modern day conservative never got the memo. I guess the fake news sites haven't been reporting on it...
Jefferson supported it at the federal level. You seem to be the one stuck on Trumps wondering dick.
It seems you didn't get it either.
How does it feel to have voted for a serial adulterer? And by the way, thanks for admitting to the world that your moral compass is subject to whatever position you want it to point in at any given time. Your words are completely meaningless and empty -- like every other conservative fraud.
Your conflation is funny.
Are you saying Christians have to vote for people who hold Christian values ?
What ever happened to separation of church and state ?
I guess you can ignore that when it suites you.
Uh, the right hates the separation of church and state.
Uh, no it doesn't. Not at the federal level which is what Jefferson was referencing.
It's you that is attempting to tie sexual morals to a presidential candidate.
Jefferson supported it, but the modern day conservative never got the memo. I guess the fake news sites haven't been reporting on it...
Jefferson supported it at the federal level. You seem to be the one stuck on Trumps wondering dick.
It seems you didn't get it either.
"Wondering?" As in, he wonders who's wife he's gonna stick it in tonight?
No, you are engaging in tu quoque all throughout this thread. I am not the goddamn topic of this thread no matter how much you want to make it about me.
That is a deflection. You are the author of this thread and are subject to the same amount of criticism as your points are. You committed three argumentative fallacies, 1) you employed guilt by association, 2) you engaged in non causa pro causa (false cause) arguments, and 3) used hasty generalization fallacies to say that if we conservatives vote for a man who committed adultery, that we are therefore adulterous, and further therefore endorse and espouse adultery as a matter of principle and are traitors to our Christian beliefs. As such, as your argument goes, that such a vote would indicate that adultery is a held conservative belief.
Such reasoning is deserving of the utmost contempt.
Nor would I ever cheat on my wife, nor did I endorse Clinton's adultery. Ready to discuss the thread topic now?
I never made that assumption about you. However, you did make that assumption about me and every other conservative in this thread, or those who voted for Trump. That's the difference between me and you. I'm not prone to making such wild assumptions about people, nor do I resort to labeling someone because of who they happened to vote for. You doing that only shows you have insufficient means to defend your premise.
And I am discussing the topic. You chose to attack us for betraying our faith by voting for a man who committed the sin of adultery. Therefore I am entitled to attack you, your argument, and your character in return. You are not allowed to have a free hand in making such baseless assumptions about people without suffering a direct attack on your character. You went there first. You backed yourself into a corner.
I can tell that this thread subject is really frustrating for you, which is good. You should feel frustrated. It's always frustrating when know-it-all conservatives have to come face to face with their own hypocrisy.
This is you engaging in ad hominem. If this topic isn't about you as you claim, why, all of a sudden, are you making it about me? I brought you face to face with your own hypocrisy, then you deflected, insulted, and then deflected some more.
You're either going to denounce adultery and act on that belief with your vote, or you're going to push it aside and live your life like a moral relativist, selectively choosing which morals you're going to indulge in on a day to day, moment to moment basis as if you're at a buffet. Right now, guess which one you're doing?
Sigh. This is indeed nothing but a giant false cause argument. That somehow due to my vote for a man who committed adultery, you are allowed to superimpose values on me that I do not support. You then get to impugn on my religious beliefs as a result of that same vote. Just because I voted for a man who committed adultery does not mean I will readily commit adultery against the first woman I marry.
There are other reasons why I voted for Trump, and his adultery was not one of them. If I am to preach my small government premise to the world, my first thing to do would not to stick my nose into his marital affairs. It would be hypocritical for me to say "government should stay out of the bedroom and marriage!" if I begin critiquing his love life and who he has sex with.
Your point is lost.
How does it feel to have voted for a serial adulterer? And by the way, thanks for admitting to the world that your moral compass is subject to whatever position you want it to point in at any given time. Your words are completely meaningless and empty -- like every other conservative fraud.
