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I'd like to get some thoughts from the liberals on this, because as a liberal, I really don't hear a whole lot of solutions to stopping terrorism. Probably because it can't be stopped. But I'd still like to hear if there have been any solutions proposed by the left.
Also would like to hear thoughts from the right about a real solution. Do you guys really think that bombing people into oblivion is going to end terrorism? We're talking about religious extremism here -- violence against them only adds fuel to the fire. Does the right actually have a real, actionable solution to ending terrorism?
My personal point of view is that you can't really stop it. I don't see how it's possible as long as people still cling to these poisonous ME religions. The only real way we'd ever end global terrorism is through a sort of collective spiritual and psychological evolution to the next level, where as a society we've moved past the violent idiocy of archaic organized religion. The change must come from within. But that just isn't in the cards for the foreseeable future. In other words, we're screwed and terrorism will become more and more of a "normal" part of life.
Discuss...
And their behavior becomes more blatant with each atrocity.Whenever there is a need to equate extremists of the Islamic faith to a Christian of the crusades, there is an underlining message and a need to find some form of "justification" to make these terrorist acts an acceptable behavior. Losing over 2000 Americans on 9-11 is anything but acceptable.
The "reforms" you want are what happened to Christianity and Judaism in the modern world - the believers (mostly) don't believe or act in accordance with the faith. The faithful don't have actual faith. The faith of most is now equal to their Jesus Saves bumper sticker and that's roughly the depth (and knowledge) of their faith as well.Jihadist terror can ultimately be permanently reduced if the religion can finally go through its desperately-needed Reformation.
That would probably require a certain degree of isolation, where enough of the world demands and supports it.
Unfortunately, too many (the Regressive Left primarily) refuse to hold the religion accountable and make such a demand.
What are their reasons for that? Well, that's an interesting question.
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Yikes.The "reforms" you want are what happened to Christianity and Judaism in the modern world - the believers (mostly) don't believe or act in accordance with the faith. The faithful don't have actual faith. The faith of most is now equal to their Jesus Saves bumper sticker and that's roughly the depth (and knowledge) of their faith as well.Jihadist terror can ultimately be permanently reduced if the religion can finally go through its desperately-needed Reformation.
That would probably require a certain degree of isolation, where enough of the world demands and supports it.
Unfortunately, too many (the Regressive Left primarily) refuse to hold the religion accountable and make such a demand.
What are their reasons for that? Well, that's an interesting question.
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I'd be interested to know how you are going to suggest to faithful Muslims, who believe they are in an eternal war in defense of God, that they should instead act and think like the pluralistic and faithless capitalistic immoral Western nations who produce all of the immorality they are required, by faith, to reject? Good luck with that one.
Yikes.
Well, never mind.
Hopefully they'll overcome us, then, and you'll be a bit happier.
OKC was a lashing out at the Federal government in response to Janet Reno ordering people needlessly burned to death.
All terrorism is "lashing out." Do you really want to split those hairs? Sounds like you think there's justified terrorism.
The "reforms" you want are what happened to Christianity and Judaism in the modern world - the believers (mostly) don't believe or act in accordance with the faith. The faithful don't have actual faith. The faith of most is now equal to their Jesus Saves bumper sticker and that's roughly the depth (and knowledge) of their faith as well.Jihadist terror can ultimately be permanently reduced if the religion can finally go through its desperately-needed Reformation.
That would probably require a certain degree of isolation, where enough of the world demands and supports it.
Unfortunately, too many (the Regressive Left primarily) refuse to hold the religion accountable and make such a demand.
What are their reasons for that? Well, that's an interesting question.
.
I'd be interested to know how you are going to suggest to faithful Muslims, who believe they are in an eternal war in defense of God, that they should instead act and think like the pluralistic and faithless capitalistic immoral Western nations who produce all of the immorality they are required, by faith, to reject? Good luck with that one.
A real Reformation can happen. The problem is that there are too many people outside of the religion who are willing to enable and tolerate the jihad because it suits their political/ideological agenda.The Crusades have been over for hundreds of years, Jihad never stopped.
I would like them to care as little about their faith, meaning they are very liberal about it, as most Christians and Jews are, which would make them believers in name only.Yikes.The "reforms" you want are what happened to Christianity and Judaism in the modern world - the believers (mostly) don't believe or act in accordance with the faith. The faithful don't have actual faith. The faith of most is now equal to their Jesus Saves bumper sticker and that's roughly the depth (and knowledge) of their faith as well.Jihadist terror can ultimately be permanently reduced if the religion can finally go through its desperately-needed Reformation.
That would probably require a certain degree of isolation, where enough of the world demands and supports it.
Unfortunately, too many (the Regressive Left primarily) refuse to hold the religion accountable and make such a demand.
What are their reasons for that? Well, that's an interesting question.
.
I'd be interested to know how you are going to suggest to faithful Muslims, who believe they are in an eternal war in defense of God, that they should instead act and think like the pluralistic and faithless capitalistic immoral Western nations who produce all of the immorality they are required, by faith, to reject? Good luck with that one.
Well, never mind.
Hopefully they'll overcome us, then, and you'll be a bit happier.
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How do you suggest this Reformation should begin? By the West demanding it? Will you be telling them just what's wrong with their faith, with a drink in your hand and your hot wife showing off her new fake tits by your side?A real Reformation can happen. The problem is that there are too many people outside of the religion who are willing to enable and tolerate the jihad because it suits their political/ideological agenda.The Crusades have been over for hundreds of years, Jihad never stopped.
As horrific as that is, that's what we're dealing with.
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People outside of the religion can't say anything to make a Reformation happen.I would like them to care as little about their faith, meaning they are very liberal about it, as most Christians and Jews are, which would make them believers in name only.Yikes.The "reforms" you want are what happened to Christianity and Judaism in the modern world - the believers (mostly) don't believe or act in accordance with the faith. The faithful don't have actual faith. The faith of most is now equal to their Jesus Saves bumper sticker and that's roughly the depth (and knowledge) of their faith as well.Jihadist terror can ultimately be permanently reduced if the religion can finally go through its desperately-needed Reformation.
That would probably require a certain degree of isolation, where enough of the world demands and supports it.
Unfortunately, too many (the Regressive Left primarily) refuse to hold the religion accountable and make such a demand.
What are their reasons for that? Well, that's an interesting question.
.
I'd be interested to know how you are going to suggest to faithful Muslims, who believe they are in an eternal war in defense of God, that they should instead act and think like the pluralistic and faithless capitalistic immoral Western nations who produce all of the immorality they are required, by faith, to reject? Good luck with that one.
Well, never mind.
Hopefully they'll overcome us, then, and you'll be a bit happier.
.
Now, how would you like me to tell the faithful Muslims "See, here's the problem, Omar, you actually believe and we (in the capitalist corrupted porn and drug-loving West) need you folks not to believe. If you'll only become as immoral and focused on wealth and pleasure as we are we'll all get along just dandy. Be a sport, Omar, and drop this God actually matters thing, it's really annoying and it makes it hard for me to sell your kids booze and porno videos.
Jihadist terror can ultimately be permanently reduced if the religion can finally go through its desperately-needed Reformation.
That would probably require a certain degree of isolation, where enough of the world demands and supports it.
Unfortunately, too many (the Regressive Left primarily) refuse to hold the religion accountable and make such a demand.
What are their reasons for that? Well, that's an interesting question.
.
A real Reformation can happen. The problem is that there are too many people outside of the religion who are willing to enable and tolerate the jihad because it suits their political/ideological agenda.
As horrific as that is, that's what we're dealing with.
Please see post 272.Jihadist terror can ultimately be permanently reduced if the religion can finally go through its desperately-needed Reformation.
That would probably require a certain degree of isolation, where enough of the world demands and supports it.
Unfortunately, too many (the Regressive Left primarily) refuse to hold the religion accountable and make such a demand.
What are their reasons for that? Well, that's an interesting question.
.
Reformations happen from within. No outside force can demand a religion reform....not successfully.
People outside of the religion can't say anything to make a Reformation happen.
What they CAN do is stop enabling and spinning for jihadist atrocities. They can stop tolerating the religion's intense anti-liberal elements. That would provide far more leverage for those in the religion who DO want a Reformation.
That's it. That's what we can do. But many are choosing not to.
People outside of the religion can't say anything to make a Reformation happen.I would like them to care as little about their faith, meaning they are very liberal about it, as most Christians and Jews are, which would make them believers in name only.Yikes.The "reforms" you want are what happened to Christianity and Judaism in the modern world - the believers (mostly) don't believe or act in accordance with the faith. The faithful don't have actual faith. The faith of most is now equal to their Jesus Saves bumper sticker and that's roughly the depth (and knowledge) of their faith as well.Jihadist terror can ultimately be permanently reduced if the religion can finally go through its desperately-needed Reformation.
That would probably require a certain degree of isolation, where enough of the world demands and supports it.
Unfortunately, too many (the Regressive Left primarily) refuse to hold the religion accountable and make such a demand.
What are their reasons for that? Well, that's an interesting question.
.
I'd be interested to know how you are going to suggest to faithful Muslims, who believe they are in an eternal war in defense of God, that they should instead act and think like the pluralistic and faithless capitalistic immoral Western nations who produce all of the immorality they are required, by faith, to reject? Good luck with that one.
Well, never mind.
Hopefully they'll overcome us, then, and you'll be a bit happier.
.
Now, how would you like me to tell the faithful Muslims "See, here's the problem, Omar, you actually believe and we (in the capitalist corrupted porn and drug-loving West) need you folks not to believe. If you'll only become as immoral and focused on wealth and pleasure as we are we'll all get along just dandy. Be a sport, Omar, and drop this God actually matters thing, it's really annoying and it makes it hard for me to sell your kids booze and porno videos.
What they CAN do is stop enabling and spinning for jihadist atrocities. They can stop tolerating the religion's intense anti-liberal elements. That would provide far more leverage for those in the religion who DO want a Reformation.
That's it. That's what we can do. But many are choosing not to.
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Jihad (to struggle with something, anything, for God) is not going to end. And if the people forbidden to kill for God did, for hundreds of years, why do you think people allowed to wage war, to kill under the right conditions, are just going to give that up? Because you ignore your holy book and teachings they are supposed to do the same? Why, because it's better for you?OKC was a lashing out at the Federal government in response to Janet Reno ordering people needlessly burned to death.
All terrorism is "lashing out." Do you really want to split those hairs? Sounds like you think there's justified terrorism.
It was terrorism, and those were innocent government workers. I don't condone that.
The "reforms" you want are what happened to Christianity and Judaism in the modern world - the believers (mostly) don't believe or act in accordance with the faith. The faithful don't have actual faith. The faith of most is now equal to their Jesus Saves bumper sticker and that's roughly the depth (and knowledge) of their faith as well.Jihadist terror can ultimately be permanently reduced if the religion can finally go through its desperately-needed Reformation.
That would probably require a certain degree of isolation, where enough of the world demands and supports it.
Unfortunately, too many (the Regressive Left primarily) refuse to hold the religion accountable and make such a demand.
What are their reasons for that? Well, that's an interesting question.
.
I'd be interested to know how you are going to suggest to faithful Muslims, who believe they are in an eternal war in defense of God, that they should instead act and think like the pluralistic and faithless capitalistic immoral Western nations who produce all of the immorality they are required, by faith, to reject? Good luck with that one.
You just made the case that Muslims won't change.
The Crusades have been over for hundreds of years, Jihad never stopped.
Looks like we disagree.People outside of the religion can't say anything to make a Reformation happen.I would like them to care as little about their faith, meaning they are very liberal about it, as most Christians and Jews are, which would make them believers in name only.Yikes.The "reforms" you want are what happened to Christianity and Judaism in the modern world - the believers (mostly) don't believe or act in accordance with the faith. The faithful don't have actual faith. The faith of most is now equal to their Jesus Saves bumper sticker and that's roughly the depth (and knowledge) of their faith as well.Jihadist terror can ultimately be permanently reduced if the religion can finally go through its desperately-needed Reformation.
That would probably require a certain degree of isolation, where enough of the world demands and supports it.
Unfortunately, too many (the Regressive Left primarily) refuse to hold the religion accountable and make such a demand.
What are their reasons for that? Well, that's an interesting question.
.
I'd be interested to know how you are going to suggest to faithful Muslims, who believe they are in an eternal war in defense of God, that they should instead act and think like the pluralistic and faithless capitalistic immoral Western nations who produce all of the immorality they are required, by faith, to reject? Good luck with that one.
Well, never mind.
Hopefully they'll overcome us, then, and you'll be a bit happier.
.
Now, how would you like me to tell the faithful Muslims "See, here's the problem, Omar, you actually believe and we (in the capitalist corrupted porn and drug-loving West) need you folks not to believe. If you'll only become as immoral and focused on wealth and pleasure as we are we'll all get along just dandy. Be a sport, Omar, and drop this God actually matters thing, it's really annoying and it makes it hard for me to sell your kids booze and porno videos.
What they CAN do is stop enabling and spinning for jihadist atrocities. They can stop tolerating the religion's intense anti-liberal elements. That would provide far more leverage for those in the religion who DO want a Reformation.
That's it. That's what we can do. But many are choosing not to.
.
That's bullshit. No one's spinning or enabling jihadists except for the jihadists. I suspect those you refer to are those who understand that Islamic extremists are not all Muslims, and refuse to engage in wholesale discrimination of Muslims due to the acts of a few.
