Severodonetsk coming under Russian control

[Bleipriester]

Most of the city is already captured by the Russian forces - only the industrial zone still remains under Ukrainian control. That is reported by the region´s governor.
According to a 2001 census, over 38 % of the city´s inhabitants are Russians.

Ukraine city of Severodonetsk now largely under Russian control — governor

The eastern Ukraine, city of Severodonetsk is now "largely" under Russian control after fierce fighting, while its twin city of Lysychansk is suffering enormous destruction, the region's governor said on Wednesday.

www.gmanetwork.com

 

[Esdraelon]

Can't wait to see Putin claiming his victory while his orcs dance in the ruins... evil scum...

 

[ESay]

Can't wait to see Putin claiming his victory while his orcs dance in the ruins... evil scum...

To claim the victory, he should at least take all the Donbas.

 

[Confederate Soldier]

Has anyone here ever heard of Severeodonsk?

 

[Bleipriester]

To claim the victory, he should at least take all the Donbas.

Don´t worry, he will.

 

[ESay]

Don´t worry, he will.

Yeah, I think he will. The main question is where he will be stopped after that.

 

[Bleipriester]

Yeah, I think he will. The main question is where he will be stopped after that.

The Ukrainian military will possibly be depleted in one or two months. The earlier Zelensky will give in the lower the price he will have to pay will be.

 

[ESay]

The Ukrainian military will possibly be depleted in one or two months. The earlier Zelensky will give in the lower the price he will have to pay will be.

There are various thoughts about it. Only the time will show.

 

[gipper]

The Ukrainian military will possibly be depleted in one or two months. The earlier Zelensky will give in the lower the price he will have to pay will be.

The US government should be advising Zelensky to negotiate a cease fire and peace talks, but they are doing the exact opposite at the behest of the MIC and oligarchs.

 

[Bleipriester]

There are various thoughts about it. Only the time will show.

You cannot rely on media that suddenly come up with Ukrainian counter-offensives. A counter-offensive, by term, requires a prior hostile offensive, which these media didn´t cover.
So you can forget all thoughts that come from this direction. Fact is, all that massive arms deliveries have no decisive impact on the battlefields in the end.
Russia does not depend on taking any territory. When resistance is too strong they simply pull back. Then an Ukrainian counter-offensive takes place, which is very costly for the UAF. At one point the military will no longer be able to seriously defend positions or even launch an offensive. At this point the Russians will be able to advance quickly.
We can doubt the numbers reported by the Ukrainians and assume that the Russian losses are very low compared to the Ukrainian.

 

[Bleipriester]

The crazy Ukrainians are again storing civilians in a plant. This time it is a chemical plant and the Ukrainians are mining the nitric acid containers.

800 Civilians Taken Hostage In Azot Plant In Severodonetsk - Report

About 800 civilians are “sheltering” at the Azot chemical plant in the city of Severodonetsk. This was reported by the...

southfront.org

 

[ESay]

You cannot rely on media that suddenly come up with Ukrainian counter-offensives. A counter-offensive, by term, requires a prior hostile offensive, which these media didn´t cover.
So you can forget all thoughts that come from this direction. Fact is, all that massive arms deliveries have no decisive impact on the battlefields in the end.
Russia does not depend on taking any territory. When resistance is too strong they simply pull back. Then an Ukrainian counter-offensive takes place, which is very costly for the UAF. At one point the military will no longer be able to seriously defend positions or even launch an offensive. At this point the Russians will be able to advance quickly.
We can doubt the numbers reported by the Ukrainians and assume that the Russian losses are very low compared to the Ukrainian.

The media is one of the last thing I rely on. Ukrainian media are also lying, as do the Russian ones. Informational campaign is one of the components of a war. And claims of the media and officials should be taken with a grain of salt.

And believe me, the last thing I need is rationalisation and explanations from a person who has fallen to propaganda. Spare your time, I already come up with too many informational garbage.

 

[Bleipriester]

The media is one of the last thing I rely on. Ukrainian media are also lying, as do the Russian ones. Informational campaign is one of the components of a war. And claims of the media and officials should be taken with a grain of salt.

And believe me, the last thing I need is rationalisation and explanations from a person who has fallen to propaganda. Spare your time, I already come up with too many informational garbage.

The problem is that if you want to stay up to date on the conflict, you need a reliable source. You reject all sources, and you will stay uninformed. You can check the southfront.org, which is not totally unbiased, and it is a Russian source. Their news are accurate and the maps also and up to date. So if the Ukrainian military has a success, it will be reported there, too. Whether you like it or not, southfront is the place where you are informed best on the conflict.
That person you can´t trust and that "has fallen to propaganda" is you. Free yourself from painful russophobia and realize that what is happening now has been triggered by Kiev and the puppet masters behind it.

 

[ESay]

The problem is that if you want to stay up to date on the conflict, you need a reliable source. You reject all sources, and you will stay uninformed. You can check the southfront.org, which is not totally unbiased, and it is a Russian source. Their news are accurate and the maps also and up to date. So if the Ukrainian military has a success, it will be reported there, too. Whether you like it or not, southfront is the place where you are informed best on the conflict.
That person you can´t trust and that "has fallen to propaganda" is you. Free yourself from painful russophobia and realize that what is happening now has been triggered by Kiev and the puppet masters behind it.

You can't read? I said I don't trust the mass media and officials. That doesn't mean I don't read or hear various sources.

 

[Bleipriester]

You can't read? I said I don't trust the mass media and officials. That doesn't mean I don't read or hear various sources.

Yeah, now that you see that the entire western arsenal cannot defeat the Russians.

 

[ESay]

Yeah, now that you see that the entire western arsenal cannot defeat the Russians.

Dude, are you trying to provoke me on name calling or you really that ignorant and brainwashed?

This war has been fighting by mostly Soviet style hardware, with the exception of some number of portable anti-aircraft and anti-tank systems and some artillery system delivered a couple of weeks ago in quite modest numbers.

Not 'the entire western arsensl' Russian propaganda wants you to believe. It seems that the news source you offered is another sewage.

 

[para bellum]

SDonetsk is a kill box for as long as the UA holds Lysychansk. It's where Russian infantry will go to die.

The Ombudsman of the DPR published casualty numbers.

The pre-invasion DPR militia was 20,000 strong.

1,999 KIA and 8,249 WIA as of 2 June. I don't know how many conscripts they've thrown into the meat grinder, but 10K is 50% of the pre-invasion militia.

The overview of the current social and humanitarian situation in the territory of the Donetsk People`s Republic as a result of hostilities in the period 28 May to 03 June 2022 – Human rights Ombudsman in the Donetsk People’s Republic

 

[Bleipriester]

Dude, are you trying to provoke me on name calling or you really that ignorant and brainwashed?

This war has been fighting by mostly Soviet style hardware, with the exception of some number of portable anti-aircraft and anti-tank systems and some artillery system delivered a couple of weeks ago in quite modest numbers.

Not 'the entire western arsensl' Russian propaganda wants you to believe. It seems that the news source you offered is another sewage.

You can see here, reported by bloomberg, what has been delivered. And there is coming more, as you know. The Ukrainians get no training on the advanced arms and many end up on the black market, or get destroyed by Russia in advance but the sheer number of arms is astonishing.

The US is wasting its arsenal on Ukraine

Massive deliveries to Ukraine are taking place. So massive that it would need a long time to replace them. The West has delivered 60.000 anti-tank weapons and 25.000 anti-air weapons already. Among them an entire third of all of America´s Javelin weapons. More arms deliveries worth 800 Million...

www.usmessageboard.com

I urge you to not to blame me for the failure of your sources to be informed in future debates.

 

[Bleipriester]

SDonetsk is a kill box for as long as the UA holds Lysychansk. It's where Russian infantry will to die.

The Ombudsman of the DPR published casualty numbers.

The pre-invasion DPR militia was 20,000 strong.

1,999 KIA and 8,249 WIA as of 2 June. I don't know how many conscripts they've thrown into the meat grinder, but 10K is a 50% casualty rate.

The overview of the current social and humanitarian situation in the territory of the Donetsk People`s Republic as a result of hostilities in the period 28 May to 03 June 2022 – Human rights Ombudsman in the Donetsk People’s Republic

You cannot draw a conclusion without knowledge of the Ukrainian losses. Also, the pre-invasion size was 44.000.

 

[ESay]

You can see here, reported by bloomberg, what has been delivered. And there is coming more, as you know. The Ukrainians get no training on the advanced arms and many end up on the black market, or get destroyed by Russia in advance but the sheer number of arms is astonishing.

The US is wasting its arsenal on Ukraine

Massive deliveries to Ukraine are taking place. So massive that it would need a long time to replace them. The West has delivered 60.000 anti-tank weapons and 25.000 anti-air weapons already. Among them an entire third of all of America´s Javelin weapons. More arms deliveries worth 800 Million...

www.usmessageboard.com

I urge you to not to blame me for the failure of your sources to be informed in future debates.

What are you babbling about? You think that portable anti-aircraft and anti-tank systems support your claim about the 'entire western arsenal'?