Should a Jewish Bakery Have the Right to Deny...

[PaintMyHouse]

Note to the normal people in this thread, who might have the brains to comprehend this...

Recall in the past how often you've heard conservatives insist that liberalism is a religion, or 'secular humanism' is a religion, or whatever other terminology the conservatives might use to describe the left,

and then call that 'religion'?

Well, okay then, what if we agree? What if then liberal views can be characterized as religious views,

what if then the belief that homosexuals are entitled to all rights, and to equal treatment, etc.,

qualifies as a view rooted in religion, and therefore, by name, a religious view?

That makes any anti-gay discrimination a 1st Amendment violation, because homosexuality then becomes an exercise of religion.

ha, checkmate.

There you have it. Lib logic.
Freedom from persecution isn't freedom to impose beliefs.

Freedom means little if you have to live like a dog because no one will serve you. And the beliefs we impose are called the Rules of Society. It has a right to set them. It's the social contract you were born to. You are always free to leave of course but if you stay you have to follow the rules, our rules.

 

[The T]

It's not about property. It's about equal access to the marketplace, just as it's about equality before the law for a marriage license. Not everybody is going to like, not everybody has to. At some point we just have to say Deal With It and get on with living, happy together or not.

What part of the Constitution guarantees equal access to a marketplace?
More made up crap.

It's a concept called Extra-Constitutional, and nearly all laws here are. They may be based on the Constitution, or some principle within it, but they are not in the Constitution so what you are asking is simply childish.

There's no law in the Constitution that my hairdryer have a GFI on it, but it does and that is by Law.

So YOU admit that Government may at their whim deny the Constitution...just IGNORE it like Obama and his acolytes do on a regular basis? Good that YOU admit it.

 

[The Rabbi]

Go look it up you lazy bones. Try Google.

You have nothing. There is no source in the Constitution. You simply lied. Now you're trying to cover that up. Next move will be to deflect.

What i said was entirely true. Learn the law and stop asking if things like Fire Codes are in Constitution? They aren't and it's a stupid question, and so is not obeying them, it's the law.

As I predicted, deflection is the order of the day.
Repeating yourself is not proof. Either put up or shut up.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

A school district is run by private citizens forming a local government. The principles don't change.

How can the act be both just and unjust? How can refusing blacks admission to a school be unjust,

but refusing them admission to a restaurant be just?

Tell me you're not serious. Everyone pays taxes so the public sector can't deny anyone. The public sector doesn't own the business.

He doesnt understand the difference between private property and public property. Like most commie ratfinks.

There is Private, and Public, and Private that serves the Public, among others.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

You have nothing. There is no source in the Constitution. You simply lied. Now you're trying to cover that up. Next move will be to deflect.

What i said was entirely true. Learn the law and stop asking if things like Fire Codes are in Constitution? They aren't and it's a stupid question, and so is not obeying them, it's the law.

As I predicted, deflection is the order of the day.
Repeating yourself is not proof. Either put up or shut up.

That's not a deflection, you need to learn American law and how it is made. The Constitution is but one part of it.

 

[Jarhead]

Tell me you're not serious. Everyone pays taxes so the public sector can't deny anyone. The public sector doesn't own the business.

He doesnt understand the difference between private property and public property. Like most commie ratfinks.

There is Private, and Public, and Private that serves the Public, among others.

you are correct.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

What part of the Constitution guarantees equal access to a marketplace?
More made up crap.

It's a concept called Extra-Constitutional, and nearly all laws here are. They may be based on the Constitution, or some principle within it, but they are not in the Constitution so what you are asking is simply childish.

There's no law in the Constitution that my hairdryer have a GFI on it, but it does and that is by Law.

So YOU admit that Government may at their whim deny the Constitution...just IGNORE it like Obama and his acolytes do on a regular basis? Good that YOU admit it.

I said no such thing, and it's not at their whim but it can be, and is, done at times.

 

[Jarhead]

What i said was entirely true. Learn the law and stop asking if things like Fire Codes are in Constitution? They aren't and it's a stupid question, and so is not obeying them, it's the law.

As I predicted, deflection is the order of the day.
Repeating yourself is not proof. Either put up or shut up.

That's not a deflection, you need to learn American law and how it is made. The Constitution is but one part of it.

the constitution is the basis of it.

Interpretation of the constitution allows you to interpret the laws themselves.

But the constitution is not law within itself.

 

[jillian]

...a Christian Ideology based White Power group who goes into a Jewish bakery and request a cake in the shape a HHH and a burning cross? If they Jew denied baking this cake, since it's deeply against their religious faith?

Should the Jewish baker be forced to bake such a cake.


I mean few people argued the Baker was wrong when he refused to bake the cake "Happy Birthday Adolf Hitler!"

Adolf Hitler denied his birthday cake - Telegraph

Yet in AZ one can not conceive that a religious baker has any argument in not baking a cake for a gay marriage.

The vast vast majority of Christian bakers that don't want any part of a gay marriage ceremony would be fine selling to gays for any other occasion.

I personally disagree with a baker not making money for a gay marriage ceremony, but I can see their argument.

Go back to the birthday cake for Adolf Hitler, I think that baker was in the right and so did most people!

how cute... trying to pretend that analogous to going into a bakery and asking for a wedding cake for a gay couple.

let me know when the gay couple asks for the cake to have a picture of two men bonking.

k?

 

[The Rabbi]

Tell me you're not serious. Everyone pays taxes so the public sector can't deny anyone. The public sector doesn't own the business.

He doesnt understand the difference between private property and public property. Like most commie ratfinks.

There is Private, and Public, and Private that serves the Public, among others.

There is private property and public property. They are pretty clearly delineated.

 

[The Rabbi]

What i said was entirely true. Learn the law and stop asking if things like Fire Codes are in Constitution? They aren't and it's a stupid question, and so is not obeying them, it's the law.

As I predicted, deflection is the order of the day.
Repeating yourself is not proof. Either put up or shut up.

That's not a deflection, you need to learn American law and how it is made. The Constitution is but one part of it.

Either put up or shut up. So far you offered nothing but your vapid uninformed opinions.

 

[The T]

It's a concept called Extra-Constitutional, and nearly all laws here are. They may be based on the Constitution, or some principle within it, but they are not in the Constitution so what you are asking is simply childish.

There's no law in the Constitution that my hairdryer have a GFI on it, but it does and that is by Law.

So YOU admit that Government may at their whim deny the Constitution...just IGNORE it like Obama and his acolytes do on a regular basis? Good that YOU admit it.

I said no such thing, and it's not at their whim but it can be, and is, done at times.

Then WHAT does 'Extra-Constitutional' mean dumbass>? Did you state or not:

It's a concept called Extra-Constitutional, and nearly all laws here are.

ex·tra·con·sti·tu·tion·al

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strəˌkɒn

stɪˈtu

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nl, ‐ˈtyu-/ Show Spelled [ek-struh-kon-sti-too-shuh-nl, ‐tyoo-]
adjective not authorized by or based on a constitution; beyond the provisions of a constitution


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Therefore, YOU advocate end-runs around the basis of OUR LAW that has it's roots IN the Constitution.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

He doesnt understand the difference between private property and public property. Like most commie ratfinks.

There is Private, and Public, and Private that serves the Public, among others.

There is private property and public property. They are pretty clearly delineated.

Hardly. Try opening a toxic waste dump or a brothel and you'll find out just how Public things are. Do a strip club or a porno shop as well. You could own the entire block and will never anything more than roller skate there once the zoning commission gets done with you. You want to know where the phrase You can't fight city hall came from? Zoning laws would be a damn good bet.

 

[JakeStarkey]

As I predicted, deflection is the order of the day.
Repeating yourself is not proof. Either put up or shut up.

That's not a deflection, you need to learn American law and how it is made. The Constitution is but one part of it.

Either put up or shut up. So far you offered nothing but your vapid uninformed opinions.

You, the King of the Unsubstantiated Opinion, accuses PMH falsely of doing what you are doing. Either you are unaware or a hypocrite.

Pick One.

This OP based on a false analogy has legs because of the uninformed low-info voters of the reactionary far right and the social cons.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

As I predicted, deflection is the order of the day.
Repeating yourself is not proof. Either put up or shut up.

That's not a deflection, you need to learn American law and how it is made. The Constitution is but one part of it.

Either put up or shut up. So far you offered nothing but your vapid uninformed opinions.

Any time you wish to try and prove what I say untrue please do. You'll be wasting your time but that's no skin off my nose.

 

[Iceweasel]

A school district is run by private citizens forming a local government. The principles don't change.

How can the act be both just and unjust? How can refusing blacks admission to a school be unjust,

but refusing them admission to a restaurant be just?

Tell me you're not serious. Everyone pays taxes so the public sector can't deny anyone. The public sector doesn't own the business.

He doesnt understand the difference between private property and public property. Like most commie ratfinks.

Yep. That's the crux of the matter. Libs are collectivists at heart. Except when it comes to their stuff.

 

[The Rabbi]

There is Private, and Public, and Private that serves the Public, among others.

There is private property and public property. They are pretty clearly delineated.

Hardly. Try opening a toxic waste dump or a brothel and you'll find out just how Public things are. Do a strip club or a porno shop as well. You could own the entire block and will never anything more than roller skate there once the zoning commission gets done with you. You want to know where the phrase You can't fight city hall came from? Zoning laws would be a damn good bet.

You're an idiot and proving it with every post.
What you are describing are infringements on private property based on public health and safety. Hardly the same thing.
You have trouble distinguishing similar concepts. This is often found among people with lower intelligence.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

So YOU admit that Government may at their whim deny the Constitution...just IGNORE it like Obama and his acolytes do on a regular basis? Good that YOU admit it.

I said no such thing, and it's not at their whim but it can be, and is, done at times.

Then WHAT does 'Extra-Constitutional' mean dumbass>? Did you state or not:

It's a concept called Extra-Constitutional, and nearly all laws here are.

ex·tra·con·sti·tu·tion·al

/ˌɛk

strəˌkɒn

stɪˈtu

ʃə

nl, ‐ˈtyu-/ Show Spelled [ek-struh-kon-sti-too-shuh-nl, ‐tyoo-]
adjective not authorized by or based on a constitution; beyond the provisions of a constitution


________________

Therefore, YOU advocate end-runs around the basis of OUR LAW that has it's roots IN the Constitution.

See that Beyond part? That means it's the law but not in the Constitution, like Speed Limits and Fire Codes. The restriction on Inciting a Riot isn't in their either but don't try it, it's illegal no matter what the First Amendment says.

 

[The Rabbi]

That's not a deflection, you need to learn American law and how it is made. The Constitution is but one part of it.

Either put up or shut up. So far you offered nothing but your vapid uninformed opinions.

Any time you wish to try and prove what I say untrue please do. You'll be wasting your time but that's no skin off my nose.

It isnt up to me to prove you wrong. You made a statement, you support it. That's how debate works. So far you've failed in this debate. One of many many failures I foresee for you here. BEcause you combine the worst traits of arrogance, stupidity, and lack of knowledge.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

There is private property and public property. They are pretty clearly delineated.

Hardly. Try opening a toxic waste dump or a brothel and you'll find out just how Public things are. Do a strip club or a porno shop as well. You could own the entire block and will never anything more than roller skate there once the zoning commission gets done with you. You want to know where the phrase You can't fight city hall came from? Zoning laws would be a damn good bet.

You're an idiot and proving it with every post.
What you are describing are infringements on private property based on public health and safety. Hardly the same thing.
You have trouble distinguishing similar concepts. This is often found among people with lower intelligence.

Safety issue with a porn shop? Nah, that's a Property Value fight. And it's not the restrictions themselves, it's the fact that it is perfectly legal for us to tell you what you can and cannot do with your "private" property. Got it?